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Nov 13, 2008

"Not so Large as to be Dangerous"




Last year, I suggested here that anti-standing army ideology had remarkably little real effect on the development of American military institutions. A year later, I'm far more confident that I was right.

In the decades following the Revolution, the statement of opposition to standing armies was frequently followed in the next breath by proposals to enlarge the standing army; the rhetorical purpose of such statements was to cloak the growth of state power in the garments of humble republican restraint: No man among us has ever loathed and despised a standing army as much as do I, gentlemen -- and so it gives me no pleasure, no pleasure indeed, to stand before this House and propose that we enlarge the peacetime establishment by 2,000 men.

The statesmen of the period recognized that anti-standing army rhetoric was just rhetoric. In January of 1816, debating the size of the postwar army, Henry Clay belittled opponents in the House of Representatives who expressed displeasure with the proposed peacetime force of 10,000 troops.

"From the tenor of gentlemen's observations," Clay said,"it would seem as if, for the first time in the history of this Government, it was now proposed that a certain regular force should constitute a portion of the public defence. But from the Administration of Washington, down to this time, a regular force, a standing army (if gentlemen please) had existed, and the only question about it, at any time, had been what should be the amount. Gentlemen themselves, who most loudly decry this establishment, did not propose an entire disbandment of it."

Clay was right: In 1816, the most outspoken opponents of a peacetime military establishment conformed to a rhetorical pattern in which they expressed their distaste for the principle of the standing army, then promptly allowed that they weren't proposing to eliminate the actual standing army. Accepting the principle, politicians discussed only the size of the standing army to be retained. Political debate did not center on opposition to a"standing army"; rather, it centered on an argument against"large" standing armies, or"expensive" standing armies.

Representative Albion Parris, speaking in the House on the same day as Clay, provides a good example of the form:"Sir, much has been said in this debate about reducing the Army and dismantling the Navy; I confess myself not to be a favorite of large standing armies, they add nothing to the security of the citizen, little to that of the States. But why reduce the present Peace Establishment? it is not so large as to be dangerous in the hands of any Executive, nor so expensive as to be burdensome to the people."

Acknowledging that the standing army quickly became an accepted part of a republic that supposedly opposed such a thing, we face other questions: What did early Americans believe to be the purpose of a peacetime military? What did they think an army did, in the absence of a war? And how did policymakers judge the appropriate size of such a force? These questions also speak to the nature of military history, and particularly suggest (to me, anyway) that military historians tend to focus far too narrowly on stories about combat. The social and economic roles of the peacetime military are rich fields for historians to explore, and I hope to suggest answers to these questions in the next few weeks.

Another question centers on the problem of teleology. An obvious trap awaits historians who wish to discuss the"growth" or"development" of governments and armies. But historical actors themselves thought in terms of stages and development. Again, Henry Clay provides an easy example. Clay believed that the army's growth should be" commensurate with the actual growth of the country"; the military, he argued,"should grow with its growth, and keep pace with its progress."

For Clay, the nature of actual and imminent threats had little to do with the size and role of the army. In the House, he"maintained the position, that, if there was the most profound peace that ever existed; if we had no fears from any quarter whatever; if all the world was in a state of the most profound and absolute repose, a regular force of ten thousand men was not too great for the purposes of this Government."

Going on, he added,"When gentlemen talked of the force which was deemed sufficient some twenty years ago, what did they mean? That this force was not to be progressive? That the full grown man ought to wear the clothes and habits of his infancy?"

So an army, and a government, experience progressive growth from infancy to later stages. Historians don't have to agree with that view to recognize and engage it when it appears in the historical record.

One final note: Several comments last year suggested that any analysis of the early United States Army had to take into account a transnational comparison with the European armies of the period. I disagree. Two hundred thousand men fought at Waterloo; early that same year, in one of the great battles of War of 1812, Andrew Jackson's ad hoc force of a few thousand defeated a British force of 7,500 soldiers. The context of European and North American wars were entirely different; no foreign power could throw an army of a hundred thousand soldiers at the early United States. Logistics matter; the ocean existed.

As Henry Clay said in 1816,"The question of the preparation for the state of war at any time is a relative question -- relative to our own means, the condition of the other Power, and the state of the world at the time of declaring it."

Historians have to ask the same relative questions.

More to follow.



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Jonathan Dresner - 11/15/2008

I'm talking about the early stages of state formation, the Meiji and Taisho eras, which are the ones roughly equivalent to the Early Republic period under discussion.

Oddly, and again very much in line with the discussion, post-WWII ideological and constitutional opposition to the existence and growth of the military in Japan hasn't stopped them from developing one of the best-funded and best-equipped 'defense' establishments in the world. It just prevents them from bragging about it.


Les Baitzer - 11/14/2008

But for the missing (though clearly tacit) "uuuuuhhhs", Mr. Bray has written a consummate Obama paragraph.


Les Baitzer - 11/14/2008

"Well, that's certainly true in the Japanese case: there's no ideological opposition to the growth of the military in Japan, but there is fiscal opposition;

Respectfully, Mr. Dresner, there is significant ideological opposition to the growth of the military in Japan.

In addition to fiscal opposition as you correctly state, there are also Constitutional limitations placed upon the Japanese military.

I have participated in "Cope North" exercises in Japan that are designed to test Japanese defense capability and have listened to members of the Japanese military and Japanese civilians discuss ideological opposition to the Japanese military.

This link provides an excellent discussion of the Japanese Ministry of Defense and touches on the subject of ideological opposition to the growth of Japan's military.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/japan/jda.htm


Chris Bray - 11/14/2008

Thanks for this, and especially for the reading list. A couple things in response:

About two hundred thousand men fought at Gettysburg in 1863, but this was an internal conflict that historical actors of the early republic don't seem to have anticipated. Their interest in military force focused elsewhere, and I expect to post on that question in the next couple of weeks.

As to the composition of forces, I think that's a really central question. Like the British, Americans made extensive use of proxies. This, too, is a question I'll discuss in the very near future. The scale of that proxy warfare was still different, but the point is that American policymakers and military leaders never expected to wage war only (or even primarily) with regular troops, or with their own troops, or with anything that could be thought of as "troops." Much more on this in the weeks to come.


Jonathan Dresner - 11/14/2008

I think it's becoming a noun: "HR sent me another Palin for the marketing manager job."


Jonathan Dresner - 11/14/2008

new states often have smaller armies, and then they often grow

Well, that's certainly true in the Japanese case: there's no ideological opposition to the growth of the military in Japan, but there is fiscal opposition; the military competes for resources with infrastructure, schools, the possibility of tax relief. It's true that there's no militia as an alternative -- that direction was foreclosed on with the creation of the central state in the 1860s and conversion of domainal militaries to an Imperial one in the 1870s -- but I can't help but wonder if there's any modern state which relied heavily on militias after unification. Granted, American exceptionalism and all that; we could have gone in another direction just to see what's down that road.

Interesting stuff.


Andrew D. Todd - 11/14/2008

About two hundred thousand men fought at Gettysburg in 1863. In fact, Gettysburg bears a striking similarity to Waterloo. One can construct parallels between Richard Ewell and Marshal Ney, between Little Round Top and Houguemont, between Seminary Ridge and Quatre Bras/Ligny, etc. Both battles were characterized by a relatively high degree of involvement of citizen soldiers on both sides. Both of them are very different from, say, the Battle of the Frontiers in 1914. New Orleans was rather like some peripheral battles of the Napoleonic Wars, say in Spain and Portugal (perhaps the defense of the Line of Torres Vedras outside Lisbon would qualify).

Another point-- you seem to conflate Britain with Continental Europe, with the armies and military systems of Frederick and Napoleon. This is dubious, to say the least. England was much less organized for land warfare than, say, France. Wellington's army at Waterloo was not predominantly British-- it was mostly German and Dutch-Belgian. Interestingly, on the eve of Waterloo, the Duke of Wellington was desperately attempting to retrieve twenty-five thousand English-officered Portuguese troops, Marshal Beresford's "Cacadores," who had been battle-hardened in Spain, but who had since been demobilized. In the Iberian context, they were approximately the equivalent of Montagnards. At Waterloo, Wellington had about seven thousand experienced British troops, some of them back from New Orleans, and another twenty thousand raw British troops. His position was rather that of Eisenhower, holding a precarious alliance together. Yet another note: Wellington had apparently discovered pretty quickly that King Louis XVIII of France was useless, and was trying to persuade Whitehall to switch its sponsorship to the Duke of Orleans, the future King Louis Phillipe.

I would like you to develop comparative themes such as the nature and extent of economic presence, who was recruited into the army, and on what terms, effective presence of the army in what regions, extent of military participation in law enforcement, and compare these between early nineteenth century England, Early Republic America, and Modern America.
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Elizabeth Longford, _Wellington, The Years of the Sword_, 1969

I take it that you have read these books, dealing with the economic impact of the Army on the frontier:

Francis Paul Prucha, Broadaxe and Bayonet, 1953
Richard Wade, The Urban Frontier.

See Paddy Griffith's analysis of the Battle of Vimero, _Forward into Battle_, 1981

Michael Glover, _A Very Slippery Fellow: The Life of Sir Robert Wilson, 1777-1849_, Oxford University Press, Oxford, 1978

Correlli Barnett, Britain and Her Army 1509-1970: A Military, Political, and Social Survey, William Morrow & Company, New York, 1970.

Edward M. Spiers, _The Army and Society: 1815-1914_, Longman, London, 1980

Geoffrey Best, War and Society in Revolutionary Europe,

Clive Emsley, _British Society and the French Wars, 1793-1815_, Rowman and Littlefield, Totowa, New Jersey, 1979

Skelley, The Victorian Army At Home.


Chris Bray - 11/14/2008

Got a little Sarah Palin in there a couple of times -- I was typing quickly, sorry.

Can we use that, now? "Sorry for the verbiage, man -- I wasn't paying attention, and I totally Palined up that paragraph."


Chris Bray - 11/14/2008

I'll say yes, but add a question mark: Yes?

Other options remained available; most significantly, people who talked constantly about how much they didn't like standing armies and preferred to rely on the militia could have relied entirely on the militia instead of having a standing army.

But I do think there's a link that we all assume to exist, and it may not actually exist: Because historical actors said they were opposed to a standing army, we assume that the size of the army is best explained by opposition to a standing army. They grew the thing, but kept hitting the brakes on how quickly they did so, and the braking is explained by a coherent ideological system. The problem is that new states often have smaller armies, and then they often grow -- it's a tendency everywhere. So maybe the United States started with an army scaled to its size and resources because those were the available resource and that was the context of the army's emergence. And then the army grew because armies tend to do that as the resources become available and as justifications emerge through political discussion. Maybe ideology is an explanation for the way the army grew, or maybe it isn't.

I hope that answers the question, or sort of answers the question. Or sort of seems to answer the question. Was that the question?


Jonathan Dresner - 11/14/2008

Excellent point about the teleological problem, and I love the rhetorical stuff.

I wonder, though, in this case: given, as you point out, the difference in scale between American and European armies, and the clear tendency towards expansionism, is uncertainty about the direction of change really an epistemological necessity?


Chris Bray - 11/13/2008

And also, see Clay's comments on 791 about the construction role he proposes for the Army...


Chris Bray - 11/13/2008

The Clay speech is in the Annals of Congress, for the First Session of the Fourteenth Congress. Published by Gales and Seaton in 1854. Look for the whole long discussion toward the middle of the volume under the heading, "The Revenue"; Clay's comments here come from 776-792.


William Adler - 11/13/2008

This is a really fascinating post. I would be interested in hearing more from you (as well as getting the exact source for the Clay speech). Keep at it!