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Jan 22, 2007

"BUY DANISH" ASK MY DANISH FRIENDS/ UPDATE

John Zimmerman is right. The Muslim countries have chosen to pressure liberal little Denmark in order to teach the media and governments, which stand by them, a lesson which does not bode well for free speech or satire. Kuwait has joined the Saudi boycott (the Saudi market alone is worth 1.2 billion) and I suspect the rest will follow. So, here is a plea from my Danish friends:

"If you Americans look with this great sympathy on our case, couldn't you then raise a consumer support of DK in the US? The opposite of a boycott. A movement of:"Buy Danish!" Please?
You can easily eat and digest all our famous Danish cheese at your millions of breakfast-tables from Seattle to Atlanta. Then the boycott (which is escalating fast down there now) will be harmless.

Well, we can and should. In fact the idea immediately occurred to the readers of Charles of LGF who was kind enough to post the news about the Saudi boycott on his popular site. They recommended you buy not only the always delicious Danish butter cookies but also:

Danish Havarti cheese

Carlsberg and Tuborg Beers.

Arla owns White Clover Dairy, a Wisconsin company so buy that brand. It comes under White Clover and Holland Farm.

Danish Crown hams ( DAK (sold at Sam clubs)... baby back ribs, because they come from Denmark.

You shop online at The Danish Foodshop and Danish Deli Foods.

You can also buy gorgious Danish porcelain and LEGO for the kids.

UPDATE: First, the speed with which this movement took flight is amazing and encouraging. Thanks, guys, for helping spread in on your blogs. The boycott is gathering steam. Our old friend Libya also withdrew its ambassador. But the Danes are standing firm and the EU (for the moment) is standing by them:

EU trade chief Peter Mandelson met a Saudi minister at a meeting in the Swiss mountain resort of Davos on Sunday and"urged the minister to convey the seriousness of this issue to his government," his spokesman said.
"Any boycott of Danish goods would be seen as a boycott of European goods," said spokesman Peter Power.

An opinion poll showed that 79 percent of Danes think Fogh Rasmussen should not issue an apology and 62 percent say the newspaper should not apologize.

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Satyam Shivam Sundaram - 5/3/2008

Please get your knowledge on vedas clear. U do not understand the meanings of these richas. Please refer to their meaning provided here.
http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/

John Hohn - 4/22/2008

Are you related to Janene?

leo menon - 10/2/2006

Misra, as an Indian it is not a nice note to insult our muslim brother like this. I am sure you might be irritated with the happenings in the world of terrorism, and unfortunately or fortunately it is Muslims who are involved in this cowardly act. But if you notice Muslim brothers around you, they are very normal people. As Hinduism is a way of life, so is Islam. I dont really understand the reason for arguments, unless it is in the political arena. It is just the way we live and the way they live, my style of leaving, dressing and eating can resemble a west (which is generally christian) or can resemble a hard core Hindu brahmin or a moderate muslim or hardcore muslim, but we have all kind of people in our friend circle itsef right? Then why the argument just because of the last name? Juz because Hasan does not have enough data or he does not want to show off enough data it does not mean that there is no cruelty happening in Hindu community. Try to project the good, and it really feels good. I have seen this myself and thats the reason I am saying this. I have friends who are sikhs, muslims, christians and from many other religions, and I feel so happy when they join me in my festivals. It makes me feel good when we sit and discuss about the bad acts in this world, and at the end of the day we are just happy to be one happy family without any problems. Misra, and just for your information - Hinduism has evolved after years of meditation and many other experiences which has led to peace, its been a very long evolution compared to any other religion existing in this world. Where as Islam has come the hard way, via revolution that is the difference you see. Might be 1000 years from now, Islam goes through the same evolution.

leo menon - 10/2/2006

Nathan Kehn - 9/23/2006

Let's not mention the fact that Mohammed describes the archangel Gabriel as an angel of light. Paul in the New Testament refers to Satan as one that masquerades as an angel of light and that his followers masquerade as servents of righteousness. But their works will be their own revealing of their true nature. Let's also not mention the fact that when Allah is refering to Jesus in the Koran the word translated into English from Arabic is the word used for Jesus in the New Testament, not the name given to Him in His native langauge, which translated to English is Joshua. Jesus is the name the Greeks refered to Him as. Joshua is the correct English translation of the name Yeshua (the name of the Messiah or Christ, as the Greeks called Him). Why then if Mohammed's Allah is all-knowing would he make the mistake of calling Yeshua the name refered to Him by the Greeks instead of His true name? The reason is because the Koran is flawed and not of God, but Satan. Period.

SCott Edwards - 9/21/2006

YOU WROTE: The Quran is crystal clear in stating, "There is no compulsion in religion." (Quran 2:256)

Well, if that is true where the concept of jihadism come from? Look history and present day websites are replete with Muslim persecution. Go to persecution.org and you'll see countless examples and photos.

Christians want love - not death; Muslim clerics constantly bask and broadcast the virtues of death... death toward America, death toward the pig Jews.

Go home and leave us alone.

Sam A Elias - 8/11/2006

To your reply this is wat i say: You are a person with no brains to think and no heart to feel, it is too sad that people of your kind stil exiest in this world you should be ashamed of yourself and country too for what you have done...you think by wearing such offencive drawings to muslims or by offending us in other ways we will change our faith?? you are WRONG, our faith will get stronger and straonger because this shows how others are jealous from Muslims... GO BURN IN HELL!!

Iron Carvel - 7/8/2006

I feel like doing the same too, but then freedom of speech becomes pure provocation. Not a good idea.

tina elizabeth chappell - 6/4/2006

I really want to introduce some of our Australian friends to the joys of a Danish supper....but without the snaps I've no chance! Any ideas of where we can get some in Australia or sent on line?

S Misra - 5/17/2006

They are crazy. Well, here's another problem: If they ever send a long term mission, how will that person make the obligatory once in a lifetime visit to the meteorite in Mecca? They will probably be safer in space though since in Mecca, pilgrims regularly get trompled to death in stampedes.

ME - 5/11/2006

Danes should react the same way against islam when they see how the muslim men treat womenlike animals or slaves!! In Denmark the freedom of women and women's rights are almost as holy as islam's prophet for the Danes, so why not...lol

randyzacks - 5/8/2006

I don't believe, I yet, have any Danish friends.

Allah - 5/7/2006

Lost Verses of the Koran

Surah 115: The Pig

Bismillah:

The hurried flight of the Hegira had led the Muslims to a fertile oasis, where they were at last safe from their many enemies in Mecca.
Pausing, each thanked Allah the moon-god for their good fortune.
Assembling at a long table, they enjoyed rare delicacies brought by bare-breasted sirens whose faces were veiled. During the feast Muhammad sternly forbade his disciples to partake of pig flesh, while fondling the youthful breasts of a Nubian girl named Sheba.
Obeying the Prophet, the pilgrims partook of the succulent flesh of jackals and vultures, washing their food down with strong wine.
“I never dreamed I’d have to eat the loins of a jackal, let alone the bitter entrails of a cursed vulture,” observed a hungry pilgrim named Ahmed to a fellow Muslim, choking on the unpalatable morsels.
“Neither did I, but the Holy Prophet has ordered it,” grumbled another starving follower, almost heaving as he consumed greasy vulture flesh.
“A rancid pork chop would taste a hell of a lot better than this crap does,” retorted Ahmed.
“It’s an acquired taste brother, you’ll get use

Yes - 5/2/2006

That s it bro, answer to hate by hate like a real american citizen

What - 5/2/2006

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dorhuya - 4/27/2006

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Mark Linham - 4/27/2006

P.S. :

As for the Webster's definition (I don't have a copy handy), I did state in my earlier post that an expecting woman or couple who DOES WANT to have a child will sometimes refer to their unborn offspring as their "child".

Dictionaries state definitions of words according the meanings they have acquired in their history of use, and their present accepted usages, but it is beyond a dictionary's scope and functional purpose to address all of the myriad, and sometimes complex, contexts in which they, the associated concepts, and their referents apply.

Mark Linham - 4/27/2006

I have EVERY right to "impose" my own value judgements where MY OWN BODY is concerned.. and I am THE ONLY ONE who has that right.

If you want to assert a moral imperative that does not contradict previously established, and valid, human rights, - and there are plenty of such areas of concern that require your attention - then we can talk.. and we probably will find ourselves in agreement. But if you propose to violate - or advocate the violation of - a right as basic as that of a person to her/his own body, then I am not with you.

Yes, by the way, I am "pro-choice" (and pro-life - or pro-right-to-life - and in a sense much more comprehensive than is usually meant lately when that term is used).

BMC - 4/26/2006

I however, cold barely contain myself after reading this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4941816.stm

Much too funny.

May - 4/26/2006

the only lies circulating are those that argue that the west is free ,free to critisize muslims perphaps but not the holocaust!!?

S Misra - 4/23/2006

Now that the misleading defenders of Islam are gone, the gentle farmers go back to the land and farm once again, at peace...but never forget that the Koran is violent:

"Mohammed said in his Hadith: "The Hour [Day of Resurrection] will not arrive until you fight the Jews, [until a Jew will hide behind a rock or tree] and the rock and the tree will say: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!'" [PA TV July 13, 2003]

And the Christian hating of the Muslims.
And the homophobia and lethal hatred of homosexuals of the Muslims.
And the hate of all those who don't believe what they believe.
And the quickness to resort to violence.

Don't forget, gentle farmers, and keep your minds sharp. Peace is the only way and any religion that justifies war is false.

Goodnight...

l;' - 4/18/2006

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Gary - 4/17/2006

Quote: "A fetus is NOT a child. The definition of "child" in common parlance is a person who has been born."

Really? My Webster's Collegiate Dictionary states: "Child: an unborn or recently born person....."

Quote: "If an alledged "right to life" entitles anyone, or anything, to grow on, or in, a person's body, then if I need an organ transplant, you should be drafted to provide me with the needed organ. "No", Did I hear you say? Very well, then. Then it is YOU who had better get your information straight on just what the term "right to life" actually means!"

Sorry, mister, I never used the term "right-to-life". This term could be used to imply most anything. So then, do you use the liberal term "Pro-choice"? So then, if I need an organ transplant, do I get to choose you to be the donor of the needed organ? "No", did I hear you say?

Anyway, as far as your example above goes, it has absolutely nothing to do with preserving the life of an established "fetus".

Quote: "Another person's life - which means her body - is not yours to control or impose your value judgements upon."

This is my point. What right do you or anyone else have to "impose" your "value judgment" by terminating the life of the unborn?

Mark Linham - 4/16/2006

A fetus is NOT a child. The definition of "child" in common parlance is a person who has been born. An extended case of this is a couple, or woman, who is expecting, and wants to have the baby. In that last case, she/they may also refer to their "child" to be.

Anyway, all this is quite beside the point, mister. Another person's life - which means her body - is not yours to control or impose your value judgements upon.

In any case where an alledged right - such as one as dubious as what some would attribute to embryos - conflicts with the previously and well established rights of a real, and unquestionably fully-developed human being, it shouldn't take a genius to know what the real rights are in the case in question.

If an alledged "right to life" entitles anyone, or anything, to grow on, or in, a person's body, then if I need an organ transplant, you should be drafted to provide me with the needed organ. "No", Did I hear you say? Very well, then. Then it is YOU who had better get your information straight on just what the term "right to life" actually means!

Gary - 4/13/2006

Quote: "Besides, if you kill someone, who does it hurt? The victim? Of course not - the victim doesn't give a shit, as long as you do it quick. It only hurts those the victim leaves behind, in this case the mother and to some extent the father.
And whose choice is it to have that abortion?

I simply can't stand anti-abortion people. It's a million times more evil to give birth to a kid you didn't really want, than to kill it while it doesn't know what life is yet."

This is the biggest load of crap I've ever heard. You better get your facts strait dude. So you think the "fetus" doesn't feel anything? WRONG. Watch a video of the procedure sometime, if you think you can tolerate it. FACT: A fetus has dreams, feels pain and has a heart beat.

I am an "anti-abortion" person, so I'm glad you can't stand me. For you, I just feel sorry, and for the child, I feel even more sorry!

Slater - 4/13/2006

Exactly. It's not a person, it doesn't feel anything, and it sure won't know it's dying.

Besides, if you kill someone, who does it hurt? The victim? Of course not - the victim doesn't give a shit, as long as you do it quick. It only hurts those the victim leaves behind, in this case the mother and to some extent the father.
And whose choice is it to have that abortion?

I simply can't stand anti-abortion people. It's a million times more evil to give birth to a kid you didn't really want, than to kill it while it doesn't know what life is yet.

Tammy - 4/10/2006

I would love a t-shirt with Danish writing on it (something original), and not "I love Denmark."

Do you know where I could get a t-shirt that has the Copenhagen neighborhood written on it?

Gary - 4/10/2006

Quote: "Rational solutions that DECREASE the birth rate everywhere are desperately needed. A woman's right to have an abortion must be fought for and secured, as well."

"Rational"? Of course the child has nothing to say about this because "it" hasn't exited the womb yet. After all, "it's" only a "fetus".

Mark Linham - 4/10/2006

Let me add the following in regard to point three in the above post:

Whatever the tax revenue base is is what the total commonwealth, or government, spending should be limited to.

The deficit "financing" must stop!

The maintenance of the financial and economic well-being of a society, either on a small scale or a large one, is largely a capital, or infrastructural, one. When there are massive deficits and debt, badly needed resources are diverted away from, or dangerously delayed in their application to, the needed maintenance of capital assets (the "seed stock", if you will, to use the farmer's term for it).
Machinery failures resulting from insufficient revenues effectively kill production, thus tending to increase deficits, which in turn result in even more capital asset failures, all in a viciously increasing and devouering spiral.

Rational calculation must be possible for business and production to continue, let alone increase. Such calculation isn't possible under any regime where public deficits and debts are in principle unlimited, and subject to the whims of government officials, or other unaccountable corporate heads.

Rational and productive business planning is also harmed by the attempts currently being made to directly abrogate private property rights.
It, ironically, is corporatist capitalism (is there any other kind?) at least in the U.S., that has attacked its own ostensible foundations through attempts by various businessmen to nullify the land deeds of others. Our Supreme Court actually approved this miscarriage of justice. And this is yet another thing which must be fixed - and pronto! - if we're to avoid being put in the poorhouse.

Mark Linham - 4/10/2006

That's catastrophic! We have such an AWFUL Congress right now. And the so-called "President"? Well there you have it.

We're being pushed over a cliff and we had better, somehow, stop those pushers!

IMPEACH! (almost all of them!)

Mark Linham - 4/10/2006

Really! Maybe so!

I would propose two (well, possibly, three) things to help the whole world economically, including the United States, and including any other country suffering the ravages of poverty or being threatened with such:

1) Completely reject any and all attempts on the part of operatives from the mainline organized, monotheistic religions (all of them) to limit access to birth control.
Rational solutions that DECREASE the birth rate everywhere are desperately needed. A woman's right to have an abortion must be fought for and secured, as well.
Complexities aside, economics boils down, essentially, to basic supply and demand: produce MORE goods relative to FEWER people who need those goods and per-capita productivity goes up and the unit price of goods goes down. Voila! The end of poverty!

2) On the goods production side, it is he work of man's mind which makes our survival, let alone quality survival possible. So, we must massively incentivize new invention. This would generally take the form of a major busness education campaign for the world's most creative people (the inventors of new technologies and gadgets). These people are often brilliant at creative and intellectual endeavors, but not very good at handling the day-to-day matters of their business interests very well. They would be thoroughly informed of, and fascilitated in ways to secure their patent rights to ensure their lucrative compensation in the event(s) of their successes. And under the present circumstances it is especially criical to strongly focus on protecting the rights of, and all incentives for, inventors in the alternative energy development sector.

and, possibly (indeed probably):

3) Keep taxes - especially income, or earnings taxes - as low as possible, but make sure they are progressive! That is: if a person has a low (impoverished) income they don't pay anything. If they have a medium income they pay a small amount, say 10% to 15%. And the top income brackets pay an even greater percentage, say 15% up to 30%.

Also: eliminate most of the tax loopholes also; most of which have the effect only of enabling the very wealthy to avoid paying their fair share, thus shifting that burden onto the shoulders of those less able to cope with it.

Alexis de Torquemada - 4/6/2006

Not to mention the numerous appearances of the Jesus character in South Park.

Kambiz T. - 4/4/2006

Of course the US has more weaponry. So does our policeman on the street corner. He has got more weaponry than all the neighborhood combined. Would you wish to live in a crime infested gang and mob controlled neighborhood? Whenever you move to Gaza Strip, then I will agree with you that US should be disarmed.

US has spent far more money on peaceful development, than the Muslim nations despite their windfall oil have. You don't like what the US is doing, then go and vote for a different representative. In Muslim countries (except for Iraq, and maybe Indonesia), there are NO ELECTIONS.

Kambiz T. - 4/4/2006

Misra - Iranian democracy was lost in 1950 due to rampant nationalism by this prime minister who wanted to get a few pennies more out of oil, and was willing to gamble democracy for that. The pro-Shah coup makers were all Iranians, and they had to only spend $300,000 to make it happen.

The Ayatollah who overthrew the Shah has killed 10 times as many Iranian in his torture chambers. Not to mention 100 times as many Iranians were killed by Khomeini in the swamps of Iraq.

Islam has destroyed Iran and has imposed one of the harshest misogynistic dictatorships on the Iranian people in the past 30 years.

Islam has to be defeated in Iran - that is the only way that Iranians can become free.

xc - 4/4/2006

Buy US goods - campaign; coming right up... or maybe a reversed Marshall help from europe!?

S Misra - 4/4/2006

Well, we're in deeper doo doo than I thought, and come to think of it, the Congress just raised the debt ceiling to 9.something trillion.

THINKER - 4/3/2006

That means the west is after
al-qaeda & company only and not other varieties of terrorists.Please don't pretend,whole world knows where these terrorists are born.Pakistan is a fertile breeding ground for terrorists.Time and again it it proved Pakistan is a terror factory.Pakistan provides them all sorts of infrastructure & logistical support needed.Although their President talks in a moderate tone, people around him are all one way or the other linked to fundamentalist outfits.Atleast, they extend moral support to terrorists, as the whole country is a brain-washed lot.As I've already mentioned it is Islamic mentality, which has no borders,their loyalty is only to their religion.Here in India,they indulge in protests and arson at the drop of a hat.Even people in remotest towns of India were up-against Danish cartoons.But I doubt,wheather even 5% of protesting crowds knew where Denmark is(,or for that matter,what Denmark is).See, this is the state of affairs in muslim communities.Education,Prosperity,knowledge,Democratic ways are not their priority.Only Jehad.
But coming back to Pakistan,lots of terrorist training camps are based along Indian borders in Pak.Nobody is talking abt dismantling them.
Because they want to please this lesser evil, whose tenure is uncertain and so are his statements.
If anybody is serious about crushing Islamic terrorism,they should first reprimand Pakistan for what it is indulging in.

Gary - 4/2/2006

Right on Bro!!!

Mark Linham - 4/1/2006

Damn right!

Mark Linham - 4/1/2006

Horror of horrors: The U.S. National Debt currently exceeds 7 (seven) trillion (not one trillion) dollars, thanks largely to the current, illegitimate, "President", and his party that also controls the Congress.

This is probably worse than any of us think, including pessimists such as myself. With regard to any theoretically possible recovery for us, pray for a miracle. Because we're damn-near doomed economically.

A major revolution to protect the integrity of our elections (from Diebold-type ballot fraud, which happened no telling how many times, but at least did happen in both 2000 and 2004), a political revolution (in the radical direction of more liberalism), and culturally (in the radical direction of more rationality), as well as economically (especially in the form of the vigorous pursuit of alternative sources of motive power (solar, wind, etc) for our commonwealth, and intellectual property law reform designed to keep control over patents in the hands of the workers - that is to say: inventors, and not corporate CEO's - which would have the effect of incentivizing the actual production of real new wealth), would save us, if only we would collectively and individually do those things.

Mark Linham - 4/1/2006

If, in the long run, Islam is defeated by the West, Kashmir will also win.

What is important is that we are now becoming more aware of an issue of great importance, not that we are late-comers to it. Only the long-range victory of the West's values matter, and will ensure true political freedom for all the World's peoples.

As for the Pakistani dictator, it is largely a matter of the lesser of evils(?). I hope I'm not wrong about this. I am truly sorry if I am. It would appear that the main - and largely, *only* - Pakistani opposition to the current President of Pakistan are even more fanatical, and ultimately more oppressive, in their uniquely Islamic way, than he is. As bad as the Pakistani President might be, he - relatively speaking - is a moderating force in Pakistan.

Mark Linham - 4/1/2006

Need a gunner on your ship, Ragnar?

S Misra - 3/31/2006

Just an example. Where did the present day Iraq situation get born? In modern times, it begins with the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iran in the mid 1950s. That led to the Shah of Iran, who the U.S. supported even though he was a despot. When he mistreated and tortured enough people, with knowledge of the CIA, who helped train his secret police, he was overthrown by the Ayatollah. I still remember how one of the leaders of Iran gave a press conference and showed his scarred feet to reporters, where he had been beaten by the Shah. Once the Ayatollah came into power, they tried to get what they thought was theirs from Iraq, and invaded, and the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein. There's a photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with him smiling. The U.S. supported him through years of bloody war, and Hussein used poison gas on the Iranians. Then, we overthrew Saddam. Lesson: When you don't fight for liberty, every single thing you do is temporary and will only result in worse things later.

Same with the Taliban, our buddies when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, and our buddies Pakistan, who murdered 1-3 million Bengalis in the early 1970s. Kissinger didn't care one bit what American ambassadors in Bengal were saying that there was a massacre going on. Now, both are pietri dishes in which fanatics grow like prolific viruses. Again, the U.S. tried to take the quick, short way, "geopolitics." I think it would have been a lot better to be a force for democracy, not "geopolitics," which is another way of saying, let's see who we can screw now to get our way right now, screw the future.

Now, we waste blood and treasure in those Muslim countries. And for all the talk of Islam, not one Muslim country sent troops to take care of any Muslim on Muslim violence, just like today, they stand by throwing pebbles at a meteorite in the sandy wastes of Arabia while Muslims kill Muslims in Sudan, in Pakistan, in Iraq, and elsewhere. Again, I believe there is no Islam, just Sunni and Shiite cults of violence.

Gary - 3/31/2006

Quote: "Our president cannot seem to stop finding wars to fight"

How right you are. When are we finally going to elect a president who has a policy of keeping our nose out of other people’s business! I am sometimes accused of favoring isolationism, but there needs to be a balance here. Whether it be our actual foreign policy or our perceived foreign policy, we have managed to become the most hated nation in the world. There is a very fine line between being the “protector of the weak” and the “bully on the block”.

Ragnar Danneskjold - 3/31/2006

God bless you, Judith, for getting this ball rolling. What began as a simple idea has become a movement, and you deserve a great deal of credit for that.

Buy Danish!! Sammenhold!!
- Ragnar Danneskjold
The Sammenhold Blog
http://www.sammenhold.com

S Misra - 3/31/2006

I envy Denmark. Our president cannot seem to stop finding wars to fight. The United States has more weaponry than all other nations of the world combined. It is the largest seller of guns. All this costs in the nine figures, hundreds of billions. Defense is good; perpetual war footing is not good. At some point, the owners of the weapons want to try them out. The U.S. debt is huge, nearly one trillion dollars. Imagine just a portion of that money being spent for peaceful development. It would rob extremists of one of their sources of hate, poverty. You all are out of debt, but I'll still buy Danish.

sdfhg - 3/31/2006

National treasury of denmark just announced that denmark has paid all debts, and now is free of debt first time since WW2... I guess you can stop worrying about danish economy now... but please stop by, all you good people and supporters of free speech, and we'll buy you a beer down at the local pub!

European - 3/30/2006

Too small an army, to big a history of loosing battles to big brother germany - made danes kind of pacifists, but not afraid to go with others in a rightious cause!
We would have liked more principal support, on the warmongering act of embassyburning - but this is a tricky issue... so we are kind of caught in the middle... but history will surely show, that intolerant islamism shall not be tolerated - at any price: and denmark showed what it means to endure pressure from a wave of injustice!
I think the danish PM showed the world a message, even though he failed in meeting the agressive diplomats of the ME, he set a standard of not caving in, but asking for dialogue, in the face of totalitarian powerplay!

Jay Stuart Allen - 3/30/2006

I just took a Scandinavian trip and am proud to have taken SAS and stayed at SAS Radisson hotel in Copenhagen. I also bought some souvenirs. I will try to buy Danish products when I can but I havn't heard that the Danish economy is supposed to be impacted that bad. I was talking to a couple of finns who were wondering why nobody in the U.S. says anything about the burning of Danish and Norwegian embassys, which they viewed as an act of war. They couldn't believe it. My question is if Denmark has a legitimate right to take military action and if so why don't they? But Denmark hasn't been involved in war for a long time, except for the WWII resistance, so I doubt this would happen. I would love to hear some comments.

"Rejecting Islam is insulting God. We will not allow God to be humiliated. This man must die," said cleric Abdul Raoulf....regarding the man in Afghanistan who converted from Islam to Christianity.

More from the religion of "peace".

Gary - 3/23/2006

Quote: "They are afraid that the truth will get out about the true nature of Islam, as if it is not already."

Very well written and factual. Thank you for posting this. Can you read this Hasan? Hasan???

Hasan, where are you????

- 3/23/2006

They are afraid that the truth will get out about the true nature of Islam, as if it is not already. People need to do the research. Mohammed, in point of historical fact, was a murderer (often beheading so-called "infidels" himself), thief (his raids on innocent people are well documented and celebrated by Islamic texts themselves), liar (please google "takiyya" and "kitman" - lying is justified in Islam so long as it furthers global Islamic domination), enslaver (the well documented fate of women and children conquered by Muslims, the men usually being beheaded) , slave owner (still practiced in many Islamic countries and I would note that the U.S. slave trade is dwarfed by that of Islam, both being evil), misogynist (women are chattel, worth only half that of a man, a woman can only receive half of her husband's inheritance (assuming he has only one wife) and, if a woman is raped, a Sharia court will require four male witnesses to the act, something that is nearly impossible and also means that her words are worth 1/4 in an Islamic court than that of a man's) and pedophile (his youngest wife was six years old, but he was a nice fellow and did not "deflower" her until she was nine [insert sarcasm]). Islam's teachings and it so-called "prophet" deserve a lot more scrutiny than the current administration or a politically correct media will allow.

Chaz - 3/23/2006

People need to do the research. Mohammed, in point of historical fact, was a murderer (often beheading so-called "infidels" himself), thief (his raids on innocent people are well documented and celebrated by Islamic texts themselves), liar (please google "takiyya" and "kitman" - lying is justified in Islam so long as it furthers global Islamic domination), enslaver (the well documented fate of women and children conquered by Muslims, the men usually being beheaded) , slave owner (still practiced in many Islamic countries and I would note that the U.S. slave trade is dwarfed by that of Islam, both being evil), misogynist (women are chattel, worth only half that of a man, a woman can only receive half of her husband's inheritance (assuming he has only one wife) and, if a woman is raped, a Sharia court will require four male witnesses to the act, something that is nearly impossible and also means that her words are worth 1/4 in an Islamic court than that of a man's) and pedophile (his youngest wife was six years old, but he was a nice fellow and did not "deflower" her until she was nine [insert sarcasm]). Islam's teachings and it so-called "prophet" deserve a lot more scrutiny than the current administration or a politically correct media will allow.

- 3/23/2006

S Misra - 3/23/2006

Oops!!! I mean the non-Bernies! Forgive me, Great neighbor Bernie!

S Misra - 3/23/2006

Get your mind out of heaven! For the non-Moslems among us, that is the gutter.

Gary - 3/22/2006

What about the 72 virgins, don't I even get them?

S Misra - 3/22/2006

Oh, and

11. Let God judge, not you.

S Misra - 3/22/2006

Minimal elements of a great religion:

1. Teach, don't force or coerce.
2. Do not use violence or teach it.
3. Teach how to forgive.
4. Teach how to be forgiven.
5. Teach how to serve others.
6. Teach equality of all people everywhere.
7. Teach that doubting is an act of a person who is seeking, not an act that deserves punishment.
8. Teach that one has the freedom to believe or disbelieve.
9. Teach how to evangelize not only in words, but with action, service of others.
10. Teach how to love and be loved.

S Misra - 3/22/2006

You nasty heretic! It's Bernie hu Akhbar! Bernie is Great! And, to do it right, you have to soon thereafter explode, preferably in a crowd of people, and it doesn't matter if some are real Bernies. Or, if you prefer, with AK-47s, shoot a few thousand rounds up in the air. Who cares where the bullets fall and whom they hurt. If they are Bernies, they will go to heaven and O la la, and if not Bernies, fry forever.

Gary - 3/22/2006

And don't forget to shout, "Alahu Akbar"!!!

S Misra - 3/22/2006

So do I get the Al Bernie franchise or not. My first motto will be "Yes, Yes, Bernie, No, No, NonBernies," and "Death to America." I guess I have to get in line for the last one. How about "Yankee, go home!" No, that's been done. I am sure the ANTI Bernies will come up with a chant that involves saying Bernie backwards, like "Einreb!" while sacrificing, what else, a virgin or putting to death NonBernies, those scum of the earth that don't deserve to breathe the same air we do. Koolaid anyone (if not strap on bombs will do in a pinch).

S Misra - 3/22/2006

Well, I'm sick of Hasan. I'm Hasaned Out. There is a procedure in behavioral methods called "extinction." It means ignoring. Experiments have proved that once you ignore someone, they try harder, because it worked before, then they quit for a while, then they try something different (in Hasan's case, something more outrageous), and, if you continue to ignore it, I mean him, then the arguments eventually peter out. But at some point if you give in and respond, he gets rewarded for persistance, so, let's try ignoring the twit.

hooligan - 3/21/2006

Thats funny I like that. Also when you say moslems are afraid of the other prophet. Prophets are such a laugh.

Gary - 3/20/2006

Well, here we go again and again with Hasan. How many times do we need to repeat ourselves on the same issues? I am really beginning to wonder if "Hasan" is not one individual but rather several individuals attempting to propagate this backwards cult called a "religion". Nobody can be this dull headed.

S Misra - 3/20/2006

I am no lover of Islam, but that stuff is just gross, and idiotic. Being gross doesn't take much imagination. Of course, it is their right to be gross, but much of it is simply boring, sophomoric.

S Misra - 3/20/2006

Better the obvious than the oblivious.

S Misra - 3/20/2006

Sorry, I don't babysit anymore.

dufuss - 3/19/2006

So you just looked up all this other stuff and copied it but couldnt copy the quotes where this guy says he supports terrorism and war like i asked? Later dude. --- 8(

S Misra - 3/19/2006

Here are just some of his posts: You can look up number 1, the second, "generation of cowards" he shows his anti-semitism, in the next he says he is not a fag, showing his homophobia, and in the next he says he is glad to be a fundamentalist and a terrorist. Now, he does say a terrorist toward criminals, but that is not what Christ or Buddha would say. And terrorism, once practiced successfully with one group, ends up being practiced on all.

By the way, "I don't do work for you," is idiotic since you asked a question but are unwilling to look further, depending on me to dig it up for you shows a laziness. Why be a dufuss, do your homework.

Re: How about when the OIL is CUT OFF (#78120)
by hasan on February 8, 2006 at 5:27 PM

Re: Generation of Cowards (#78968)
by hasan on February 13, 2006 at 4:55 PM
fox is a biased jewish channel. Most of american media is under jewish control. what else can you expect!

Re: This Isn't Islam Versus Secularism (#78102)
by hasan on February 8, 2006 at 3:45 PM
well peggs! im amazed at these lengthy lectures im getting on churches from you. I have written something entirely different on 2 occasions and you have managed to evade the discussion at hand. it seems as if you have a mind of your own and you are not prepared to listen to others. i have been well-behaved i come as a guest to your forums and all i get to see is the re-incarnation of churches. Let me share a link with you which an american blogger shared with me :

http://www.godhatesfags.com

if you are following news in america you would probably have heard of 6-7 baptist churches being burnt down in a matter of days.

i have nothing against fags and i'm no fag either. so dont get any wrong ideas.

ISLAM AND TERRORISM (#77725)
by hasan on February 7, 2006 at 6:05 AM

ISLAM AND TERRORISM

BY

DR. ZAKIR NAIK

MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORISTS

Question:

Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists?

Answer:

This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.

Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:

1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.

2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.

5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.

7. Islam means peace

Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.

Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.

WAS ISLAM SPREAD BY THE SWORD?

Question:

How can Islam be called the religion of peace when it was spread by the sword?

Answer:

It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

1. Islam means peace.

Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book ’Islam at the cross road’ (Page 8):

’History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.’

4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, ’Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?’

8. East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, ’Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?’

9. Thomas Carlyle.

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book ’Heroes and Hero worship’, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: ’The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.’

10. No compulsion in religion.

With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:

’Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error’
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

11. Sword of the Intellect.

It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:

’Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious.’
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.

An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.

Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

dufuss - 3/19/2006

1 he has? no i don't, show me, you saw it first
2 he has? show me ditto, i don't do work for you you've already done

S Misra - 3/19/2006

1 Hasan has. I don't have the energy to go dig up an early post of his, you'll just have to scan and find.
2 Hasan has. Ditto to 1.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

Let me be a prophet of Bernie. Who is Bernie? He is Bernard. Bernard means:

Strong or brave as a bear. From a first name of Germanic origin, Bernard was originally Bernharding from 'beran' meaning bear and 'hardu' meaning brave, hardy, or strong. But Bernard can also be spelled BARNARD, BERNART, BERNDSEN, BERNHARD, BERNHARDT, BERNAERT. Woah! I see 8 future sects of the Bernie faith, including BERNARD and BERNIE. My suggestion to the true Bernie believers is to strap bombs and immediately begin eliminating, rubbing out, liquidating, fatwaing, making sleep with the fishes the other sects. All images of Bernie are forbidden. When BernieBelievers die, especially after they kill all Bernie sects and non Bernies, they go to Bernieheaven where 72 virgins and a flat panel television with a remote are at your disposal.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/19/2006

"But to analyze what he is saying ... guides him."

Thanks again. This however, is also to state the obvious. I'll await something that he says, if anything.

hooligan - 3/19/2006

Me, I believe in the god of all gods, @#$%^&* and his prophet Bernie. HE (@#$%^&*, not Bernie you dolt!) created all your other gods and prophets. No, really.

Unfortunately, my neighbor Bernie (pbuh) is the only one who has a copy of @#$%^&*'s holy book and if i told you about it now, before it is revealed unto you all, i'd be in deep doodoo with you-know-who. *wink*

Don't feel stupid that you didn't know about @#$%^&* already or worry about hell-fire and all that stuff. Who are we to comprehend the ways of @#$%^&* (and Bernie), right?

Though you should see the miracles Bernie performs! *whoa*

S Misra - 3/19/2006

The following news comes from Afghanistan. This is Islam as the Koran preaches it, no peace and love and people of the Book here, nope, just murder.

KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan man is being prosecuted in a Kabul court and could be sentenced to death on a charge of converting from Islam to Christianity, a crime under this country's Islamic laws, a judge said Sunday.
The trial is believed to be the first of its kind in Afghanistan and highlights a struggle between religious conservatives and reformists over what shape Islam should take here four years after the ouster of the Islamic fundamentalist Taliban regime.

The defendant, 41-yer-old Abdul Rahman, was arrested last month after his family accused him of becoming a Christian, Judge Ansarullah Mawlavezada told The Associated Press in an interview. Rahman was charged with rejecting Islam and his trial started Thursday.

During the one-day hearing, the defendant confessed that he converted from Islam to Christianity 16 years ago while working as a medical aid worker for an international Christian group helping Afghan refugees in the Pakistani city of Peshawar, Mawlavezada said.

"We are not against any particular religion in the world. But in Afghanistan, this sort of thing is against the law," the judge said. "It is an attack on Islam."

Mawlavezada said he would rule on the case within two months.

Afghanistan's constitution is based on Shariah law, which is interpreted by many Muslims to require that any Muslim who rejects Islam be sentenced to death, said Ahmad Fahim Hakim, deputy chairman of the state-sponsored Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission.

Repeated attempts to interview Rahman in detention were barred.

The prosecutor, Abdul Wasi, said he had offered to drop the charges if Rahman converted back to Islam, but he refused.

"He would have been forgiven if he changed back. But he said he was a Christian and would always remain one," Wasi told AP. "We are Muslims and becoming a Christian is against our laws. He must get the death penalty."

After being an aid worker for four years in Pakistan, Rahman moved to Germany for nine years, his father, Abdul Manan, said outside his Kabul home.

Rahman returned to Afghanistan in 2002 and tried to gain custody of his two daughters, now aged 13 and 14, who had been living with their grandparents their whole lives, the father said. A custody battle ensued and the matter was taken to the police.

During questioning, it emerged that Rahman was a Christian and was carrying a Bible. He was immediately arrested and charged, the father said.

Afghanistan is a conservative Islamic country. Some 99 percent of its 28 million people are Muslim, and the remainder are mainly Hindu.

A Christian aid worker in Kabul, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter, said there was no reliable figure for the number of Christians, though it was believed to be only in the dozens or low hundreds. He said few admit their faith because of fear of retribution and there are no known Afghan churches.

An old house in a war-wrecked suburb of Kabul serves as a Christian place of worship for expatriates. From the muddy street, the building looks like any other. Its guard, Abdul Wahid, said no Afghans go there.

The only other churches are believed to be inside foreign embassies or on bases belonging to the U.S.-led coalition or a NATO peacekeeping force.

Hakim, the human rights advocate, said the case would attract widespread attention in Afghanistan and could be exploited by Muslim conservatives to rally opposition to reformists who are trying to moderate how the religion is practiced here.

"The reformists are trying to bring about positive changes," he said. "This case could be fertile ground for extremists to manipulate things."

Muslim clerics still hold considerable power in Afghanistan, especially in rural areas where most women wear all-encompassing burqas and are dominated by men.

Hakim said that if Rahman was acquitted, it would be a propaganda win for the Taliban rebels, who have stepped up their insurgency in the past year.

In the months before U.S.-led troops ousted the Taliban in 2001, it claimed Western aid groups were trying to convert Afghan Muslims. They arrested eight foreign aid workers for allegedly preaching Christianity, but later released them unharmed.
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I believe Muslims are afraid of Christianity because it refuses violence and therefore is morally superior. The words of Jesus are superior to the words of Mohammed, a killer, a person who married a child, a polygamist, a common businessman and minor conqueror.

dufuss - 3/19/2006

1 - who has openly justified terrorism in a post
2 - who has openly justified war

holy crap - what are the quotes and what are the subject titles. i gotta read this

dufuss - 3/19/2006

If you're muslim and easily offended by Mo(pbuh) cartoons, DON'T OPEN THIS LINK!!!

http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/extreme_mohammed/

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/19/2006

Ah, shucks ... enough with the flattery already.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

True. But to analyze what he is saying, one has to take at least a look at that book, which he says guides him. That way, one can tell whether he is true to his faith. For example, nowhere can one get the impression in the Koran that peace and love are the primary missions of the believer especially with the nonbeliever. Hasan wants to preach peace and love. That is for consumption. Reality of the Koran is different.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

OK. Strumming my fingers...Letting you get on with your Socratic questioning.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

The You should have been a We.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/19/2006

"How exactly do you abuse someone who has ..."
Kicking him in the nuts repeatedly is one sure way. *bwahahah*

"You keep asking for Hasan's opinion, but you contribute no opinions."
In this thread!? I've only posted once in this thread and there is an opinion expressed. Patience man.

I won't try to reply to the rest of your message because it states the obvious in many places, or addresses things of peripheral interest to my present purpose. More to the point, I choose to "draw out" the views of the original poster in my own fashion, in my own time.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/19/2006

Fair enough. I've barely looked into the matter.

Nevertheless, as you've already cautioned me in another post, I cannot simply "take your word for it". ;)

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/19/2006

Reading the Koran myself will tell me nothing about the poster's understanding of the question (as yet unanswered).

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/19/2006

"If you cannot get the point the first time"

Huh? How do you infer that? I asked and wait to hear the poster's point.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/19/2006

"You quickly condemn Christian crusades"

I did? Where exactly?

lionheart - 3/19/2006

It is a sad fact that the west has to crush the moslem fascist fanatics if we are to live a decent life

S Misra - 3/19/2006

:) :0 It would be funnier if there wasn't an element of truth to it.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

Far be it from me to pull Hasan's ball bearings from the fire, but I think he means that insulting any religion is intensely disliked so should be avoided at all costs. However, no one will die as a consequence of South Park, but hundreds have died as a result of comics. See the difference, Hasan? Love and peace only to believers, kill nonbelievers. You try to speak peace, but your posts make it quite clear, you hate Jews, you hate Hindus, you hate nonbelievers, you support war and terror, you think only of insults to Islam by non Muslims but are incredibly silent as Sunni kill Shiites and Shiites kill Sunni and each burn each other's mosques and Korans. There is a word for that, hypocrisy.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

You quickly condemn Christian crusades, and they deserve condemnation. They were brutal, bloody, and merciless. But why do you not see that Islam has had a thousand years of crusades, continuing to today. The destruction of the Buddha statues, the banning of evangelism in Arab and Muslim countries, the destruction of Afghanistan's pre-Muslim museum pieces...have you no idea that you decry the Crusades and don't realize that to this day authors and others live in fear for their lives for saying even mildly critical or thoughtful things about Islam. Just today, in the Washington Post, Iran released a newspaper editor who found out that Muslim clerics ordered the murder of a number of people, then printed it in his newspaper. In Guantanamo, the prisoners are receiving over 4,000 calories a day as documented by the Red Cross. This Iranian editor left the prison at 108 pounds, his friends and family had trouble recognizing him, his health was shot, his blood pressure high, he was tortured, held in solitary confinement. Don't you get it? Islam is required to conduct violent crusades forever by the Koran. Don't believe me, READ it for yourself in the Koran and in legitimate history books published by peer reviewed scholars.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

Actually, Much of Indonesia was still Hindu until the volcanic eruption in the 1800s, when Islamic mullahs in Indonesia forced conversion, believing that the volcanic eruption was a sign from Allah that they should not tolerate nonbelievers in their midst. Also, recently, Christians have been persecuted in Indonesia. The Bali bombings were done by Muslims.

I have never said that all Muslim conversions were by violence. In fact, in India, for example, a number of Muslims are recognized for being nonviolent missionaries of their faith. This usually happened when they were outnumbered. That is not the problem. The problem begins, and for this you should really read history, when Islamic kings realized by converting others they lost the additional tax revenue because in Islam they tax nonbelievers at a higher rate, and, all too often, they resorted to brute force. Even in concentration camps, not every guard was brutal, but they served a brutal idea and a brutal regime. Likewise, the Koran commands destruction of other's places of worship, their libraries, their monks, their religious people, and forcible or coerced conversion of their faithful. Coercion is achieved by unequal taxation. Why don't you read Joseph Campbell, a world recognized authority on religions, a well respected scholar, and what he says about the brutality of Islamic conquests. I know one thing for sure, you are incorrect about Indonesia. Force was involved as was coercion.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

Read the Koran for yourself.

Slater - 3/19/2006

No... it's not. Fortunately.
What are you talking about?

S Misra - 3/19/2006

If you cannot get the point the first time, perhaps there is no point other than blind lashing out. People who are fuzzy thinkers make fuzzy points, and people seeking information from fuzzy thinkers are even more blurry.

Slater - 3/19/2006

Actually this article goes AGAINST any argument previously made by hasan, as it makes fun of people who stand up for their own religion, but have no problem with ridiculing other religions.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

By the way, taking someone's word is silly. This is why you as a human being have the capacity to reason. You wouldn't take a used car dealer's word, you wouldn't take the word of just anyone when purchasing any product of any value. That is called being gullible, a sucker. You cannot be spoonfed truth. You have to study, learn, and be prepared to challenge feelgood nonsense. No religion can become powerful without referencing the importance of love, but what they do when faced with nonbelievers and even those who profane what the believers hold sacred is what divides the sheep from the goats. Islam openly advocates unequal taxation, theocracy, which is a more crushing dictatorship, a dictatorship with an ideology, it more dangerous than simple tyranny, and Islam advocates the killing of nonbelievers. Don't believe me, don't be my sucker like you invite Hasan to be your source for truth, read.

Slater - 3/19/2006

Or perhaps an incitement to start a new one... which is just plain idiotic.
The Western World is not the aggressor here, and we should keep it that way. If the rabid Muslims then decide to attack us, we can defend ourselves. But we should not attack thus stooping to their level.

S Misra - 3/19/2006

Infidel:
Abuse? How exactly do you abuse someone who has referred others to homophobic sites, who has openly justified terrorism in a post, who has openly justified war, who cannot find one critical or analytical thing to say about Islam. He responds with name calling, much of which is wrong. How do you abuse a hateful person? By telling them the truth? Like Truman said about the popular saying about him, "Give 'em hell, Harry," "I give them the truth and they think it's hell." Infidel, you don't have to believe me about Hasan, check out his posts. Am I to tell a Hitler, thank goodness you withstood the abuse of Semites and Gypsies and Slavs, after all, you are only trying to spread love and peace (through total conquest)? You keep asking for Hasan's opinion, but you contribute no opinions. To depend on another person's opinion is silly, to have an opinion is a right, but it is the responsible thing to be rational with one's opinion. Not every opinion is right just because it is an opinion, and half baked sites and pseudo-scholars do not make wrong right. Don't just wait for a biased person to give an opinion, read the Koran for yourself, read H.G. Wells, read Joseph Campbell, read Will and Ariel Durant, or read Max Weber in short, read history, and you will find the brutality with which Islam has treated the people it conquered. What some other anonymous Muslim says is not scholarship, certainly, Hasan, given his previous posts, will not be a satisfactory guide to your quest for information. Read real historians. Or, be prepared to be led around by the nose by someone for whom all things Muslim are good and all things Jewish, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, et cetera, are evil. That is not my opinion, it is what Hasan himself has said. If you think holding up a mirror to an anti-Semite is abuse, then what is the truth?

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/18/2006

Several of the quotes refer to "believers". Please clarify for me Hasan, what is the context of "believer" in these quotes?

thx

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/18/2006

p.s. Strictly speaking, it was not "converted by Mussalmans", so far as I can tell. Nevertheless the wholesale use of "force" appears not to have been involved.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/18/2006

"name me a nation"

The islands of (what is now known as) Indonesia. The historical record is fuzzy, but evidently peaceful - and it's Googlable (is that a word?).

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/18/2006

To which of the "Crusades" (from the 11th to 13th centuries) are you referring? Or is this an allusion to contemporary portrayals of "Western" intervention in the mid-east as "Crusades"?

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/18/2006

Hi there boreal,

Sometimes these clipped URL's don't work. Are there some search terms that could be used?

thx

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/18/2006

I admire your fortitude. I've just spent time reading many of your posts in this forum (that is, excluding the copy/clips) and see you've withstood much abuse. I will take you on your word that your purpose is to spread the message of peace and love. More power to you.

What strikes me now, is this question of the quoting of religious texts, in context or not. More generally this speaks to the interpretation of religious texts.

There are admittedly Hindu, Christian, Jewish and Muslim readers/interpreters of religious text (from their respective Holy writs) that justify acts of intolerance and violence based on their understanding of those texts. You evidently would disagree with those interpretations.

As a Muslim, what are your comments about other Muslims that justify violence based on their readings (in context?) of the Quran?

Thanks

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/18/2006

I've read the news article you've copy/clipped. Thanks.

Now your point would be ...?

Crusade - 3/18/2006

A Christian Crusade to the Holy Land

S Misra - 3/18/2006

Islamic piss is not water, Hasan, and Islamic shit is not food, and Islamic farts are not perfume. Learn to be just a little critical of your faith.

S Misra - 3/18/2006

Oops! Sorry.

S Misra - 3/18/2006

Whereas I, little Hasan, readily reject Hindu texts because they are fundamentally justifying violence, you, little Hasan, think Islamic shit smells sweet.

S Misra - 3/18/2006

I too am sick and tired of little Hasan. He is a childishly maudlin, woman hating, anti-Semitic, terrorist supporting, war mongering, Islamo-fascist who probably lives in the comfort of a democratic society while whining about it. Wherever he comes from, it is likely they wish they had the freedoms we in civilized nations have. Perhaps he would like to experience the freedom of Saudi Arabia, the nation named after a family, or Iran, where there is no freedom of speech, or Pakistan, where they bomb their own people such as in Bengal or Baluchistan, or... well, you get the picture. When you live in that muck, all you see is mud and all you learn to do is to tell bad mud from worse mud.

S Misra - 3/18/2006

Hasan, learn something now from democratic societies where freedom of speech is paramount. No Mormon will riot, strap bombs, put a fatwa on the South Park creators, kidnap innocents, kill them by beheading, hanging, burn their bodies (in one post, you cried about the Muslim graves in some European country not being respected; do you remember how Iraqi Moslems treated the bodies of those American workers, hanging them off the bridge, burnt and defiled?). Face it, you are a muddleheaded person. Still I say I can defend Islam better than you. Loser.

S Misra - 3/18/2006

Why should Allah have mercy? His blood red fangs proclaim vengeance, blood, fear, terror, and violence. If he has mercy, it is not because he is following the true Messiah, Jesus, it is because he is the dark vision of a rich businessman who married many women and taught followers to kill. If he has mercy, it is because he wants to, not because he is Good, as Jesus is.

S Misra - 3/18/2006

Name calling again, little Hasan? Not one sentence was given out of context and so that any reader could go look it up, the verse was also given. Of course the Mahabharata and Ramayana and other religious works of Hindus are violent. So? All violence is wrong. Feel good "Peace and love" is not what Islam is about. It is about violence, absolute unthinking obedience, stoning and whipping, killing and war. Just one example, whereas Jesus forgives the adulteress, Mohammed says in the Koran that adulteresses must be whipped. Prove me wrong Hasan. Your religion is brutally violent and it was spread largely by violence, which is nothing new, Christianity did the same in the New World and elsewhere, but unlike Christianity, Islam cannot correct itself because the Koran is violent. Christians cannot go back to the New Testament and find any reason to commit violence. Islam can. Your religion is a failure in accepting fundamental human rights, in being morally decent toward women. One day, we all will, including future generations of people from today's Moslem lands, and wonder how their foolish ancestors could have worshipped a religion so brutal that it really only compares to the pagan religions such as the Aztecs and Romans. I am a Christian, and you are an intellectual coward because you call names and never address the issue at hand. Dressing up the naked nastiness of the so-called Prophet with nonsense feel good peace and love invisible clothes will not make him appear royal. Loser.

Infidelity - 3/18/2006

Hmmm (scratching head bewilderedly). Your question is directed at Hasan, no? ;)

No more - 3/18/2006

Does the quran mention computers and modern living? No? Why the hell live by it then?

No more - 3/18/2006

I've had it with you brainwashed pityfull people: do your religious dirt in your home, and leave the rest of us in peace!

hasan - 3/18/2006

Most people portray icomplete Quranic scriptures. If at one instance Allah talks about a battle field scene. What else do you expect in a battle field other than fighting.

For all those who sincerely wish to read the Quran read it in context.

Its like saying Misra is an IDIOT. but if you read the complete paragraph it would imply if Misra keeps on misleading public by giving incomplete information of the Quran then Misra is an Idiot. :)

What if i start taking texts out of Hindu Vedas and Mahabharat...It would be nothing but blood in those scriptures...

Be true to yourself atleast. The difference is visible. Here i am a muslim trying to spread the message of peace and love and there you have one Hindu called Misra spreading hatred and bigotary.

May Allah have mercy on all and show us the righteous path.

hasan - 3/18/2006

Misra again reverts to his grandfathers scheme of quoting quran out of context. Most of such scriptures portray a battle field story. What do u do in a battle ?

For all those who sincerely wish to read the Quran read it in context.

Its like saying Misra is an IDIOT. but if you read the complete paragraph it would imply if Misra keeps on misleading public by giving incomplete information of the Quran then Misra is an Idiot. :)

What if i start taking texts out of Hindu Vedas and Mahabharat...It would be nothing but blood in those scriptures...

Be true to yourself atleast. The difference is visible. Here i am a muslim trying to spread the message of peace and love and there you have one Hindu called Misra spreading hatred and bigotary.

May Allah have mercy on all and show us the righteous path.

hasan - 3/18/2006

South Park's creators have renewed their "battle" with Scientology, after a US TV channel dropped a show which mocked its church and actor Tom Cruise.

"So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun!" Trey Parker and Matt Stone told trade paper Variety.

Comedy Central said the schedule change enabled it to screen two extra episodes featuring Isaac Hayes, who played Chef.

Hayes left South Park this week after objecting to it sending up religion.

Parker and Stone added in their statement to Variety: "Temporarily anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies."

Comedy Central's spokesman said the channel wanted to "give Chef an appropriate tribute by airing two episodes he is most known for".

The channel also denied it had axed the episode featuring Cruise after reports of pressure from the actor to drop it from its schedules.

And the actor denied reports suggesting he had threatened not to promote his latest film Mission Impossible: 3 if the episode was broadcast.

The film is being brought out in May by Paramount, which is owned, along with Comedy Central, by Viacom.

Cruise, an outspoken follower of Scientology, starred in the first two Mission Impossible films.

In a recent episode, one of the gang, Stan, did so well in a Scientology test that church followers thought he was the next L Ron Hubbard, the late science-fiction writer who founded Scientology.

Hayes, 63, had been a regular on South Park since its US TV debut in 1997.

The show was insensitive to "personal spiritual beliefs", Hayes said.

But Stone said Hayes had "never had a problem" until the Scientology Church, to which Hayes belongs, was parodied.

Hayes, who has played the ladies' man/school cook in the animated Comedy Central satire since 1997, said in a statement Monday that he feels a line has been crossed.

"There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry towards religious beliefs of others begins," the 63-year-old soul singer and outspoken Scientologist said.

"Religious beliefs are sacred to people, and at all times should be respected and honored," he continued. "As a civil rights activist of the past 40 years, I cannot support a show that disrespects those beliefs and practices."

Last November, "South Park" targeted the Church of Scientology and its celebrity followers, including actors Tom Cruise and John Travolta

S Misra - 3/18/2006

Why "I Slam" into the World Trade Center is blessed by Mohammed and the Koran.

Bukhari:V4B52N220 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘I have been made victorious with terror.’”
Qur’an 8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.”
Qur’an 8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Ishaq:326 “If you come upon them, deal so forcibly as to terrify those who would follow, that they may be warned. Make a severe example of them by terrorizing Allah’s enemies.”
Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughtered in the land.”
Ishaq:588 “When the Apostle descends on your land none of your people will be left when he leaves.”
Tabari IX:42 “We have been dealt a situation from which there is no escape. You have seen what Muhammad has done. Arabs have submitted to him and we do not have the strength to fight. You know that no herd is safe from him. And no one even dares go outside for fear of being terrorized.”
Ishaq:326 “Allah said, ‘No Prophet before Muhammad took booty from his enemy nor prisoners for ransom.’ Muhammad said, ‘I was made victorious with terror. The earth was made a place for me to clean. I was given the most powerful words. Booty was made lawful for me. I was given the power to intercede. These five privileges were awarded to no prophet before me.’”
Ishaq:327 “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”
Qur’an 7:3 “Little do you remember My warning. How many towns have We destroyed as a raid by night? Our punishment took them suddenly while they slept for their afternoon rest. Our terror came to them; Our punishment overtook them.”
Ishaq:510 “When the Apostle looked down on Khaybar he told his Companions, ‘O Allah, Lord of the Devils and what into error they throw, and Lord of the winds and what they winnow, we ask Thee for the booty of this town and its people. Forward in the name of Allah.’ He used to say this of every town he raided.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet offered the Fajr Prayer [Prayer of Fear] near Khaybar when it was still dark. He said, ‘Allahu-Akbar!’ [Allah is Greatest] Khaybar is destroyed, for whenever we approach a hostile nation to fight, then evil will be the morning for those who have been warned.’ Then the inhabitants came out running on their roads. The Prophet had their men killed; their children and woman were taken as captives.”
Bukhari:V9B87N127 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given the keys of eloquent speech and given victory with terror.’”
Ishaq:517 “Khaybar was stormed by the Apostle’s squadron, fully armed, powerful and strong. It brought certain humiliation with Muslim men in its midst. We attacked and they met their doom. Muhammad conquered the Jews in fighting that day as they opened their eyes to our dust.”
Tabari VIII:116/Ishaq:511 “So Muhammad began seizing their herds and their property bit by bit. He conquered home by home. The Messenger took some people captive, including Safiyah and her two cousins. The Prophet chose Safiyah for himself.”
Bukhari:V5B59N512 “The Prophet had their men killed, their children and woman taken captive.”
Tabari VIII:129 “After the Messenger had finished with the Khaybar Jews, Allah cast terror into the hearts of the Jews in Fadak when they received news of what Allah had brought upon Khaybar. Fadak became the exclusive property of Allah’s Messenger.”
Tabari VIII:133 “The raiding party went to Tha’labah. One of Muhammad’s slaves, said, ‘Prophet, I know where Tha’labah can be taken by surprise.’ So Muhammad sent him with 130 men. They raided the town and drove off camels and sheep, bringing them back to Medina.”
Tabari VIII:138 “Muhammad carried arms, helmets, and spears. He led a hundred horses, appointing Bahir to be in charge of the weapons and Maslamah to be in charge of the horses. When the Quraysh received word of this, it frightened them.”
Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”
Qur’an 59:2 “It was Allah who drove the [Jewish] People of the Book from their homes and into exile. They refused to believe and imagined that their strongholds would protect them against Allah. But Allah came at them from where they did not suspect, and filled their hearts with terror. Their homes were destroyed. So learn a lesson, O men who have eyes. This is My warning…they shall taste the torment of Fire.”
Qur’an 33:60 “Truly, if the Hypocrites stir up sedition, if the agitators in the City do not desist, We shall urge you to go against them and set you over them. Then they will not be able to stay as your neighbors for any length of time. They shall have a curse on them. Whenever they are found, they shall be seized and slain without mercy—a fierce slaughter—murdered, a horrible murdering.”
Tabari VIII:143 “In this year a twenty-four man raiding party led by Shuja went to the Banu Amir. He launched a raid on them and took camels and sheep. The shares of booty came to fifteen camels for each man. Also a raid led by Amr went to Dhat. He set out with fifteen men. He encountered a large force whom he summoned to Islam. They refused to respond so he killed all of them.”
Bukhari:V4B52N256 “The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, ‘Their women and children are from them.’”
Tabari IX:20 “The captives of Hunayn, along with their possessions, were brought to the Messenger. He ordered that their captives, animals, and their possessions be taken to Ji’ranah and held there in custody.”
Ishaq:576 “Allah and His servant overwhelmed every coward. Allah honored us and made our religion victorious. We were glorified and destroyed them all. Allah humiliated them in the worship of Satan. By what our Apostle recites from the Book and by our swift horses, I liked the punishment the infidels received. Killing them was sweeter than drink. We galloped among them panting for the spoil. With our loud-voiced army, the Apostle’s squadron advanced into the fray.”
Ishaq:580 “Our strong warriors obey his orders to the letter. By us Allah’s religion is undeniably strong. You would think when our horses gallop with bits in their mouths that the sounds of demons are among them. The day we trod down the unbelievers there was no deviation or turning from the Apostle’s order. During the battle the people heard our exhortations to fight and the smashing of skulls by swords that sent heads flying. We severed necks with a warrior’s blow. Often we have left the slain cut to pieces and a widow crying alas over her mutilated husband. ’Tis Allah, not man we seek to please.”
Tabari IX:122 “Muhammad sent Uyaynah to raid The Banu Anbar. They killed some people and took others captive. Asma was one of the women taken prisoner.”
Tabari IX:123 “Muhammad sent an expedition to Ghalib and to the land of the Banu Murrah. The raid on Amr and Abi was sent to the valley of Idam. Another by Aslami was sent to Ghabah. And Abd al-Rahman was ordered by the Messenger to lead an army to the seashore.”
Tabari IX:69 “He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for those who disbelieve, we will fight them forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing them is a small matter to us.”
Bukhari:V5B59N516 “When Allah’s Apostle fought or raided people we raised our voices saying, ‘Allahu-Akbar! Allahu-Akbar! None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’”
Tabari VII:10 “In Ramadhan, seven months after the Hijrah, Muhammad entrusted a white war banner to Hamzah with the command of thirty Emigrants. Their aim was to intercept a Quraysh caravan.”
Ishaq:281 “The Raid on Waddan was the first Maghazi [invasion]. The Expedition of Harith was second. They encountered a large number of Quraysh in the Hijaz. Abu Bakr composed a poem about the raid: ‘When we called them to the truth they turned their backs and howled like bitches. Allah’s punishment on them will not tarry. I swear by the Lord of Camels [Allah?] that I am no perjurer. A valiant band will descend upon the Quraysh which will leave women husbandless. It will leave men dead, with vultures wheeling round. It will not spare the infidels.’”
Ishaq:285 “Then the Apostle went raiding in the month of Rabi u’l-Awwal making for the Quraysh. Then he raided the Quraysh by way of Dinar.” Tabari VII:11 “In this year the Messenger entrusted to Sa’d a white war banner for the expedition to Kharrar. Sa’d said, ‘I set out on foot at the head of twenty men. We used to lie hidden by day and march at night, until we reached Kharrar on the fifth morning. The caravan had arrived in town a day before. There were sixty men with it.” Tabari VII:11 “The Messenger of Allah went out on a raid as far as Waddan, searching for Quraysh.”
Tabari VII:15 “Expeditions Led by Allah’s Messenger: In this year, according to all Sira writers, the Messenger personally led the Ghazwa of Alwa. [A Ghazwa is an Islamic Invasion in Allah’s Cause consisting of an army unit led by the Prophet himself.] He left Sa’d in command of Medina. On this raid his banner was carried by Hamzah. He stayed out for fifteen days and then returned to Medina. The Messenger went on a Ghazwa at the head of two hundred of his companions in October, 623 and reached Buwat. His intention was to intercept a Quraysh caravan with a hundred men and twenty-five hundred camels.”
Ishaq:286 “Meanwhile the Apostle sent Sa’d on the raid of Abu Waqqas. The Prophet only stayed a few nights in Medina before raiding Ushayra and then Kurz.”
Bukhari:V5B57N51 “The Apostle said, ‘Tomorrow I will give the flag to a man whose leadership Allah will use to grant a Muslim victory.”
Bukhari:V5B59N569 “I fought in seven Ghazwat battles along with the Prophet and fought in nine Maghazi raids in armies dispatched by the Prophet.”
Bukhari:V5B57N74 “I heard Sa’d saying, ‘I was the first Arab to shoot an arrow in Allah’s Cause.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N401 “Allah’s Wrath became severe on anyone the Prophet killed in Allah’s Cause.”
Bukhari:V5B59N456 “Muhammad led the Fear Prayer [Allahu Akbar!] with one batch of his army while the other (batch) faced the enemy.”
Bukhari:V5B59N440 “Allah’s Apostle used to say, ‘None has the right to be worshipped except Allah Alone because He honored His Warriors and made His Messenger victorious. He defeated the clans; so there is nothing left.’”
Ishaq:287 “The Muslim raiders consulted one another concerning them. One of the Muslims said, ‘By Allah, if we leave these people alone, they will get into the sacred territory and will be safely out of our reach. If we kill them we will have killed in the sacred month.’” Tabari VII:19 “They hesitated and were afraid to advance, but then they plucked up courage and agreed to kill as many as they could and to seize what they had with them. Waqid shot an arrow at Amr and killed him. Uthman and al-Hakam surrendered. Then Waqid and his companions took the caravan and the captives back to Allah’s Apostle in Medina. This was the first booty taken by the Companions of Muhammad.”
Ishaq:289 “Our lances drank of Amr’s blood and lit the flame of war.” Tabari VII:20/Ishaq:287 “Abd Allah told his Companions, ‘A fifth of the booty we have taken belongs to the Apostle.’ This was before Allah made surrendering a fifth of the booty taken a requirement.”
Tabari VII:20/Ishaq:288 “The Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad and his Companions have violated the sacred month, shed blood, seized property, and taken men captive.’ The polytheists spread lying slander concerning him, saying, ‘Muhammad claims that he is following obedience to Allah, yet he is the first to violate the holy month and to kill our people.’”
Ishaq:288 “When the Qur’an passage concerning this matter was revealed, and Allah relieved Muslims from their fear and anxiety, Muhammad took possession of the caravan and prisoners. The Quraysh sent him a ransom and the Prophet released the prisoners on payment. When the Qur’an authorization came down to Muhammad, Abd Allah and his Companions were relieved and they became anxious for an additional reward. They said, ‘Will this raid be counted as part of the reward promised to Muslim combatants?’ So Allah sent down this Qur’an: ‘Those who believe and have fought in Allah’s Cause may receive Allah’s mercy.’ Allah made the booty permissible. He divided the loot, awarding four-fifths to the men He had allowed to take it. He gave one-fifth to His Apostle.”
Ishaq:288 “Allah divided the booty stolen from the first caravan after he made spoils permissible. He gave four-fifths to those He had allowed to take it and one-fifth to His Apostle.” Tabari VII:29/Ishaq:289 “The Apostle heard that Abu Sufyan [a Meccan merchant] was coming from Syria with a large caravan containing their money and their merchandise. He was accompanied by only thirty men.” Ishaq:289 “Muhammad summoned the Muslims and said, ‘This is the Quraysh caravan containing their property. Go out and attack it. Perhaps Allah will give it to us as prey.”
Tabari VII:29 “Abu Sufyan and the horsemen of the Quraysh were returning from Syria following the coastal road. When Allah’s Apostle heard about them he called his companions together and told them of the wealth they had with them and the fewness of their numbers. The Muslims set out with no other object than Sufyan and the men with him. They did not think that this raid would be anything other than easy booty.”
Bukhari:V5B59N702 “Allah did not admonish anyone who had not participated in the Ghazwa [raid] of Badr, for in fact, Allah’s Apostle had only gone out in search of the Quraysh caravan so that he could rob it. But Allah arranged for the Muslims and their enemy to meet by surprise. I was at the Aqaba pledge with Allah’s Apostle when we gave our lives in submission, but the Badr battle is more popular amongst the people. I was never stronger or wealthier than I was when I followed the Prophet on a Ghazwa.’”
Tabari VII:29 “They did not suppose that there would be a great battle. Concerning this Allah revealed a Qur’an: Qur’an 8:7 ‘Behold! Allah promised you that one of the two parties would be yours. You wished for the unarmed one, but Allah willed to justify His truth according to His words and to cut off the roots of the unbelievers.’”
Tabari VII:29 “When Abu Sufyan heard that Muhammad’s Companions were on their way to intercept his caravan, he sent a message to the Quraysh. ‘Muhammad is going to attack our caravan, so protect your merchandise.’ When the Quraysh heard this, the people of Mecca hastened to defend their property and protect their men as they were told Muhammad was lying in wait for them.” Ishaq:290 “Some Meccans got up to circumambulate the Ka’aba…. Sitting around the mosque, they wondered why they had allowed this evil rascal to attack their men.”
Ishaq:292 “Setting out in Ramadhan, Muhammad was preceded by two black flags. His companions had seventy camels.” Tabari VII:38 “I have been informed by authorities that Muhammad set out on 3 Ramadhan at the head of 310 of his companions. The war banner of the Messenger was carried by Ali. The banner of the Ansar was carried by Sa’d.”
Ishaq:293/Tabari VII:30 “The prophet marched forward and spent the night near Badr with his Companions. While the Prophet was standing in prayer [asking Allah to help him steal] some Quraysh water-carriers came to the well. Among these was a black slave. Muhammad’s men seized him and brought him to the Messenger’s bivouac. They ordered him to salute Allah’s Apostle. Then they questioned him about Abu Sufyan. When the slave began to tell them about the protecting force, it was unwelcome news, for the only object of their raid was the caravan.” Tabari VII:30 “Meanwhile the Prophet was praying, bowing and prostrating himself, and also seeing and hearing the treatment of the slave. They beat him severely and continued to interrogate him but they found that he had no knowledge of what they were looking for.”
Ishaq:294 “The Apostle was afraid the Ansar would not feel obliged to help him fight without the enemy being the aggressor and attacking in Medina. Sa’d said, ‘We hear and obey. We are experienced in war, trustworthy in combat. Allah will let us show you something that will bring you joy. The Apostle was delighted at Sa’d’s words which greatly encouraged him. Muhammad shouted, ‘It is as if I see the enemy lying prostrate.’”
Tabari VII:32 “When the Quraysh advanced, Muhammad threw dust in the direction of their faces, and Allah put them to flight.… The Meccan [merchant] force and the Prophet’s [pirates] met and Allah gave victory to His Messenger, shamed the unbelievers, and satisfied the Muslims’ thirst for revenge.” Ishaq:297 “When the Apostle saw them he cried, ‘Allah, they called me a liar. Destroy them this morning.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N330/Ishaq:300 “Here is Gabriel holding the rein of a horse and leading the charge. He is equipped with his weapons and ready for the battle. There is dust upon his front teeth.” Bukhari:V5B59N327 “Gabriel came to the Prophet and said, ‘How do you view the warriors of Badr?’ The Prophet said, ‘I see the fighters as the best Muslims.’ On that, Gabriel said, ‘And so are the Angels who are participating in the Badr battle.’”
Tabari VII:55 “Mihaja, the mawla [slave] of Umar [the future Caliph] was struck by an arrow and killed. He was the first Muslim to die.”
Tabari VII:55 “Allah’s Messenger went out to his men and incited them to fight. He promised, ‘Every man may keep all the booty he takes.’ Then Muhammad said, ‘By Allah, if any man fights today and is killed fighting aggressively, going forward and not retreating, Allah will cause him to enter Paradise.’ Umayr, who was holding some dates in his hand and eating them, said, ‘Fine, fine. This is excellent! Nothing stands between me and my entering Paradise except to be killed by these people!’ He threw down the dates, seized his sword, and fought until he was slain.”
Tabari VII:56 “‘Messenger of Allah, what makes the Lord laugh with joy at his servant?’ He replied, ‘When he plunges his hand into the midst of an enemy without armor.’ So Auf took off the coat of mail he was wearing and threw it away. Then he took his sword and fought the enemy until he was killed.”
Ishaq:301 “Muhammad picked up a handful of pebbles and faced the Quraysh. He shouted, ‘May their faces be deformed!’ He threw the pebbles at them and ordered his companions to attack. The foe was routed. Allah killed Quraysh chiefs and caused many of their nobles to be taken captive. While the Muslims were taking prisoners, the Messenger was in his hut.”
Bukhari:V5B59N290 “The Prophet said, ‘The believers who failed to join the Ghazwa of Badr and those who took part in it are not equal in reward.”
Bukhari:V5B59N333 “Az-Zubair said, ‘I attacked him with my spear and pierced his eye. I put my foot over his body to pull the weapon out, but even then I had to use great force. Later on Allah’s Apostle asked me for that spear and I gave it to him.’”
Ishaq:301 “As the Muslims were laying their hands on as many prisoners as they could catch, the Prophet, saw disapproval in the face of Sa’d. He said, ‘Why are you upset by the taking of captives?’ Sa’d replied, ‘This was the first defeat inflicted by Allah on the infidels. Slaughtering the prisoners would have been more pleasing to me than sparing them.’”
Tabari VII:59 “On the day of Badr I passed Umayyah as he was standing with his son Ali, holding his hand. I had with me some coats of mail which I had taken as plunder. Umayyah said, ‘Abd al-Ilah, would you like to take me as a prisoner? I will be more valuable to you as a captive to be ransomed than the coats of mail that you are carrying.’ I said, ‘Yes. Come here then.’ I flung away the armor and bound Umayyah and his son Ali, taking them with me. Muslims encircled us. Then they restrained us physically. One of the Muslims drew his sword and struck Ali in the leg, severing it so that he fell down. Umayyah gave a scream the like of which I have never heard. I said, ‘Save yourself, for there is no escape for your son. By Allah, I cannot save him from these men.’ Then the Muslims hacked Ali to pieces. Abd al-Rahman used to say, ‘May Allah have mercy on Bial [a slave turned Muslim marauder]! I lost my coats of mail, and he deprived me of my captives.’”
Bukhari:V5B59N297 “The Prophet faced the Ka’aba and invoked evil on the Quraysh people.”
Bukhari: V5B59N397 “Allah’s Apostle raised his head after bowing the first Rak’a of the morning prayer. He said, ‘O Allah! Curse so-and-so and so-and-so.’ After he had invoked evil upon them, Allah revealed: ‘Your Lord will send thousands of angels riding upon chargers sweeping down as a form of good tidings to reassure you that victory comes from Him. He will cut off parts of the unbelievers, overthrow them, and turn them back in frustration. For Allah is forgiving and kind.’” [3:124]
Ishaq:303 “A cousin and I mounted a hill from which we could overlook Badr and see who would be defeated, so that we could join in the plundering afterwards. I was pursuing one of the Meccan polytheists in order to smite him, when his head suddenly fell off before my sword touched him. Then I knew that someone other than I had killed him.”
Tabari VII:61 “When the Prophet had finished with his enemy, he gave orders that Abu Jahl should be found among the dead. He said, ‘O Allah, do not let him escape!’ The first man who encountered Abu Jahl yelled out and I made him my mark. When he was within my reach, I attacked him and struck him a blow which severed his foot and half his leg. By Allah, when it flew off I could only compare it to a date-stone which flies out of a crusher when it is struck. Then his son hit me on the shoulder and cut off my arm. It dangled at my side from a piece of skin. The fighting prevented me from reaching him after that. I fought the whole day, dragging my arm behind me. When it began to hurt me, I put my foot on it and stood until I pulled it off.’” Ishaq:304 “Abd Allah bin Mas’ud said, ‘I found Abu Jahl in the throws of death. I put my foot on his neck because he had grabbed me once at Mecca and had hurt me. Then I said, Has Allah disgraced you and put you to shame, O enemy of Allah?’ ‘In what way has he disgraced me?’ he asked. ‘Am I anything more important than a man whom you have killed?’” Bukhari:V5B59N298 “Abu Jahl said, ‘You should not be proud that you have killed me.’”
Ishaq:304/Tabari VII:62 “I cut off Abu Jahl’s head and brought it to the Messenger. ‘O Allah’s Prophet, this is the head of the enemy of Allah.’ Muhammad said, ‘Praise be to Allah.’”
Ishaq:305 “Ukkasha fought until he broke his sword. He came to the Apostle who gave him a wooden cudgel telling him to fight with that. He brandished it and it became a brilliant weapon. Allah gave him victory while he wielded it. He took that weapon with him to every raid he fought with Allah’s Apostle until he was killed in the rebellion. These were his dying words: ‘What do you think about when you kill people? Are these not men just because they are not Muslims?’”
Ishaq:315 “It was so criminal, men could hardly imagine it. Muhammad was ennobled because of the bloody fighting. I swear we shall never lack soldiers, nor army leaders. Driving before us infidels until we subdue them with a halter above their noses and a branding iron. We will drive them to the ends of the earth. We will pursue them on horse and on foot. We will never deviate from fighting in our cause. We will bring upon the infidels the fate of the Ad and Jurhum. Any people that disobey Muhammad will pay for it. If you do not surrender to Islam, then you will live to regret it. You will be shamed in Hell, forced to wear a garment of molten pitch forever!”
Ishaq:310 “A Meccan said, ‘As soon as we were confronted by the raiding party, we turned our backs and they started killing and capturing us at their pleasure. Some of our men turned tail humiliated. Allah smote some of us with pustules from which we died.’” Ishaq:311 “When the Quraysh began to bewail their dead, consumed in sorrow, one said, ‘Do not do this for Muhammad and his companions will rejoice over our misfortune.’”
Ishaq:340 “Surely Badr was one of the world’s great wonders. The roads to death are plain to see. Disobedience causes a people to perish. They became death’s pawns. We had sought their caravan, nothing else. But they came to us and there was no way out. So we thrust our shafts and swung our swords severing their heads. Our swords glittered as they killed. The banner of error was held by Satan. He betrayed the evil ones, those prone to treachery. He led them to death crying, ‘Fear Allah. He is invincible!’ On that day a thousand spirits were mustered on excited white stallions. Allah’s army fought with us. Under our banner, Gabriel attacked and killed them.”
Ishaq:341 “Allah favored His Apostle and humiliated the unbelievers. They were put to shame in captivity and death. The Apostle’s victory was glorious. Its message is plain for all to see. The Lord brought repeated calamities upon the pagans, bringing them under the Apostle’s power. Allah’s angry army smote them with their trusty swords. Many a lusty youngster left the enemy lying prone. Their women wept with burning throats for the dead were lying everywhere. But now they are all in Hell.”
Ishaq:342 “I wonder at foolish men like these who sing frivolously and vainly of the slain at Badr. This was nothing more than an impious and odious crime. Men fought against their brothers, fathers, and sons. Any with discernment and understanding recognize the wrong that was done here.”
Ishaq:344 “I wonder at Allah’s deed. None can defeat Him. Evil ever leads to death. We unsheathed our swords and testified to the unity of Allah, and we proved that His Apostle brought truth. We smote them and they scattered. The impious met death. They became fuel for Hell. All who aren’t Muslims must go there. It will consume them while the Stoker [Allah] increases the heat. They had called Allah’s Apostle a liar. They claimed, ‘You are nothing but a sorcerer.’ So Allah destroyed them.”
Ishaq:348 “They retreated in all directions. They rejected the Qur’an and called Muhammad a liar. But Allah cursed them to make his religion and Apostle victorious. They lay still in death. Their throats were severed. Their foreheads embraced the dust. Their nostrils were defiled with filth. Many a noble, generous man we slew this day. We left them as meat for the hyenas. And later, they shall burn in the fires of Hell.”
Ishaq:349 “The battle will tell the world about us. Distant men will heed our warning. The infidels may cut off my leg, yet I am a Muslim. I will exchange my life for one with virgins fashioned like the most beautiful statues.”
Ishaq:357 “Their leaders were left prostrate. Their heads were sliced off like melons. Many an adversary have I left on the ground to rise in pain, broken and plucked. When the battle was joined I dealt them a vicious blow. Their arteries cried aloud, their blood flowed.”
Ishaq:308 “Muhammad halted on a sandhill and divided the booty Allah had given him. They congratulated him on the victory Allah had granted. But one of the warriors replied, ‘What are you congratulating us about? We only met some bald old women like the sacrificial camels who are hobbled, and we slaughtered them!’ The Apostle smiled because he knew that description fit .”
Tabari VII:81 “The next day I went to the Prophet. He was sitting with Abu Bakr, and they were weeping. I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah, tell me, what has made you weep? If I find cause to weep, I will weep with you, and if not, I will pretend to weep because you are weeping.’ The Prophet said, ‘It is because of the taking of ransoms. It was laid before me that I should punish them instead.’ Allah revealed: ‘It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land.’ After that Allah made booty lawful for them.”
Tabari VII:98 “The Messenger ordered Zayd [the prophet’s former slave turned adoptive son] out on a raid in which he captured a Quraysh caravan led by Abu Sufyan at a watering place in Najd.… A number of their merchants set out with a large amount of silver since this was the main part of their merchandise. They hired a man to guide them along this route. Zayd captured the caravan and its goods but was unable to capture the men. He brought the caravan to the Prophet.” [If this isn’t piracy and terror the words need to be redefined.]
Tabari VII:98 “The reason for this expedition was the Quraysh said, ‘Muhammad has damaged our trade, and sits astride our road. If we stay in Mecca we will consume our capital.’ …The news of the caravan reached the Prophet, as did the information that it contained much wealth and silver vessels. Zayd therefore intercepted it and made himself master of their caravan. The fifth (khums) was twenty thousand dirhams; Allah’s Apostle took it and divided the other four fifths among the members of the raiding party. Furat was taken captive. They said to him. ‘If you accept Islam the Messenger will not kill you.’”
Qur’an 3:150 “Soon We shall strike terror into the hearts of the Infidels, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be in the Fire!”
Ishaq:395 “Muslims, if you listen to the unbelievers you will retreat from the enemy and become losers. Ask Allah for victory and do not retreat, withdrawing from His religion. ‘We will terrorize those who disbelieve. In that way I will help you against them.’”
Qur’an 33:9 “O ye who believe! Remember the Grace of Allah, on you, when there came down an army. But We sent against them a hurricane and forces that ye saw not. Behold! They came on you from above you and from below you, and behold, the eyes became dim and the hearts gaped up to the throats, stupefied with terror, and ye imagined various vain thoughts about Allah!”
Ishaq:461 “Muhammad besieged them for twenty-five nights. When the siege became too severe for them, Allah terrorized them. Then they were told to submit.” [top] [toc] [quotes main]

S Misra - 3/18/2006

From The Holy Koran

IV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

IV.92: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave , and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a covenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.

IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God.

IV.74: Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.

VIII.39-42: Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's.

"There may be moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate. There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism. At most there is a difference of degree but not of kind."
-- Ibn Warraq, executive director of the Institute for the Secularization of Islamic Society

Perhaps Islam's central documents are call to violence?

Then when the Sacred Months have passed, then kill the Mushrikûn (Jews - see V.82) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush.

IV.89 Kill non-believers
V.82 Anti Jewish verses
IX.5 Killing Idolaters

Taliban IX.28 Idolaters are unclean just because they are idolater (YET, Mussalmans regularly go to the rock in the sand and carry out repetitive rituals; sounds like idolatry.)

IX.29 Forcing non-believers to pay tax

The prophet Mohammed (may he rest in peace) once said:
"A cheap rug is more valuable in a man's home than a woman"
-- From the Hadith recorded by (off-site) Sahih Al-Bukhari.

VIII.12 Cut off the fingertips of unbelievers
XLVII.4 Smite the neck of unbelievers
X.4 ; V.10 ; V.86 Severe Punishment for atheists
XXII.19-22 ; LXXII.23, XCVIII.6 Severe Punishment for non-believers
XVII.10 Punishing non-believers of Hereafter
III.91 Punishing for rejecting faith

IV.140 ; VII.36 Non believers go to hell
IV.150-151 Partial Believers go to hell too
LVI.42-43 Sadistic punishments
XVI.106 ; III.86-88 ; III.90 ; IV.137 Punishment for apostates
IX.38-39, XLVIII.16 Threat of punishment for not going to war

III.181 Torture of and disdain for Jews
IV.161 * Jew usurers deserve torment

ISLAM IS NOT A RELIGION OF PEACE. IT IS VIOLENT AND THE ABOVE QUOTES ARE JUST A SMALL SAMPLE OF THE VICIOUSNESS OF THE SO-CALLED PROPHET AND HIS WRITINGS. Islam does not respect any other religion but Islam, and not even that since Sunni kill Shiites and Shiites kill Sunni as if it was a wonderful experience.

They moan and complain about the Koran in Guantanamo, but not too long ago, a whole room full of Korans was burnt by Sunni or Shiites in Iraq, and they regularly burn each other's mosques. I guess if you piss on the copy of the other sect, it's alright.

S Misra - 3/17/2006

Hasan, what would Jehovah, the same Jehovah that is supposedly Allah, say about your hatred of Jews, the fathers of your faith? You, Hasan, are a nasty little anti-Semite, a venomous, angry, bitter, stale, illogical, frightened, ignorant, fool who thinks the louder he speaks, the more spittle he lets fly, the more right he must be.

S Misra - 3/17/2006

No one should desecrate a grave. But I have a story for you. After Musslamans tore down Visvanath Temple in Varanasi in India, a huge temple, they left up one gate, on the other side of which they built a mosque of mud. Near the Hindu gate they left up, they planted a grave, pissing a grave upon Hindu sacred land. If I was a Hindu I would be pissed. Never have, in history, Mussalmans ever respected others who were living or their dead, so why do you complain now, when you sowed the wind, you have reaped the whirlwind and your victims are back with the only language you Mussalmans understand, violence. No one is willing to let your evil hordes plunder their nations again.

S Misra - 3/17/2006

OK, Infidelity, name me a nation, other than one or two of the flea bitten Arab tribes of Arabia, which nation in this world was converted by Mussalmans peacefully. India, some of Africa, Indonesia, and any other nation you can think of was converted for a time by force. If they were not converted, it was because Mussalmans tax nonbelievers more heavily and their greed stopped them from converting further. Indeed, it is remarkable how many you could have converted had your religion been peaceful, but your behavior, like the Nazis in Ukraine, eventually convinced all that Islam meant slavery.

S Misra - 3/17/2006

Therefore, I should add, little Hasan, when you pick intellectual life savers, try one that actually is able to think, not silly and smug pontificators like Renard, whoever he is.

By the way, if there was a prize for self-pity and a delusionary and paranoid sense of persecution, you, little Hasan, hanger on of any moth eaten pro-Islamic ninny, would take the cake.

S Misra - 3/17/2006

I don't know who John Renard is but he is hardly scholarly. There is no "Western" or "Eastern" but there is rational and irrational. Since generally you make rather foolish arguments, and have taken to copying and pasting others' thoughts, let me respond to Renard. One, Islam has been imperialistic, brutal, and its Other is everyone who is not a Muslim.

Renard commits a typical error that ignorant and irrational people make, he sets up a straw man and proceeds to knock him down. It doesn't take much intellect to set up a fake argument and knock it down. Islam is violent, it has in the past been a religion that has forced itself on others, brutalized them, humiliated them, enslaved them, burnt their libraries and temples, killed their monks, and installed one dangerous ruler after another. It is not democratic and it has no history of rational thought not dependent upon a slavish following of the Koran.

Islam has crushed its own people under black robed and corrupt mullahs and imams, from Mohammed on down. Islam has crushed people in Africa, Asia, and Europe. If your nation was invaded by Mussalmans, you are guaranteed to be, today, a backward nation.

Islam is an "ism" that demands no thinking, absolute belief with no professed doubt, it demands killing and persecution of nonbelievers. It will one day be looked upon as a backward and brutal force in history.
Because of Islam's lack of value for freedom, its pathological fears, it will fail.

One example of pathological fear is the creating of images of the man Mohammed. You fear it will lead to idolatry just as you fear seeing a woman's ankle or face will give you unclean thoughts that will produce a very unIslamic erection. So, you doodle with geometrics, never having created true art, the human form, the beauty of the Pieta or the Mona Lisa, or the magnificience of classical Buddhist or Greek or Hindu or African or Asian representations of what is much harder to produce, the human form. You doodle on with geometrics. Any obssessive person minoring in elementary math can do that.

Islam is illogical, irrational, and wrong because it is violent and it does not allow for basic human freedoms.

Gary - 3/17/2006

"Hamas's leader-in-exile, Khaled Meshaal:

"We and the Zionists have a date with destiny. If they want a fight, we are ready for it. If they want a war, we are the sons of war. If they want a struggle, we are for it to the end,"

Spoken like a true "peace-loving" Muslim.

Crusade - 3/17/2006

Imprisioment and learning democracy and the Word of God and Jesus

Denmark 100 % Christian

Slater - 3/17/2006

Are you for real?

You want to kill someone for saying that you should be killed for saying something?

hasan hasan - 3/17/2006

I recently heard Islam characterized as the next major threat to "Western" civilization, the new Evil Empire that will succeed Communism. Sounds like a major oversimplification, but could you comment on it?

At the risk of oversimplification in the other direction, I would respond that, alas, every society needs its Evil Empire. When no obvious candidate fills the bill, we will conjure one up in the vain hope that somehow it will make us feel better about ourselves. During the past couple of decades there has been much talk about "resurgent Islam," fueled by such events as the Iranian Revolution, the Palestinian Intifada, and the ascendancy of the Afghan Taliban. Books with titles like The Islamic Bomb: The Nuclear Threat to Israel and the Middle East (1982) raise the specter of some sort of nuclear conspiracy, as though Islam represented a unitary political will intent on world domination. In fact, "Islam" is nothing quite like the various "isms" one can realistically imagine bringing political and economic resources to bear on some global or even regional objective - capitalism, communism, colonialism, imperialism, or - on a smaller scale - Zionism, for example.

On the other side of that coin, neither is "the West" anything like a unified secularist bloc of political, economic, and cultural determination, set adamantly against the real or imagined religio-moral fervor of "the East,".

Still, it is much easier to construe the world as neatly defined opposing forces than to come to terms with the common humanity that underlies all our differences.

Muslims are on the whole just about as susceptible to these kinds of generalizations as non-Muslims, however, and are often co-responsible for perpetuating the sweeping dichotomy. In short, Islam as a religious tradition is in no way a threat to world peace and order. On the contrary, it is as important a force for maintaining peace and order as any other tradition.

Excerpted from 101 Questions and Answers on Islam by John Renard

boreal - 3/17/2006

Take a good look here

http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&;P1=1050

Sune - 3/17/2006

To all who doesn't understand what democracy is and make this to a raid to the christian world - STOP IT NOW.

Good information is much better than bad and misinformation. Misinformation that Mr. Laban and his ultramoslem has used in the moslem countries. The only way is out of Denmark - They are not needed here - better is of with the head.

Infidelity - 3/17/2006

Old boy Hasan there, seems to harbor a particular aversion toward semites. The irony of course is, that Hasan is himself a semite ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite

dufuss - 3/16/2006

A Jew, a Christian and a Muslim are standing at a bus stop. Suddenly the sky breaks, a gleaming column of light descends from the heavens and a booming voice utters holy words ... whereupon the Jew wails "Father!" and crumples to the ground; the Christian cries "Mercy!" and falls to his knees; while the Muslim shouts "Allah Ahkbar!" and beheads the two infidels.
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Q) How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
A) The same number that blew it up in the first place.
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Q) What did the Muslim say after stubbing his toe?
A) "Death to America!!"
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Q) How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
A) Ten. One to change the bulb and nine to fire the AK-47's.
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Q) Why doesn't the Muslim have any running water at home?
A) He killed the plumber for "occupying" his house.
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Q) How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
A) None. Only "god willing" will the bulb ever be changed.
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Q) Why do Sunni kill Shia and Shia kill Sunni?
A) So once all the infidels are gone, they'll still have somebody to hate.
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Q) How many Muslims does it take to change a light bulb?
A) None. Light bulbs are un-Islamic.
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Q) Why does it take a Muslim ten hours to drive two kilometers?
A) You could lay 12 roadside bombs any faster?

Infidelity - 3/16/2006

Extend your research a tad further and discover that some nations and peoples converted to Islam not by the sword at all - but rather for fear of being so had they not!

Infidelity - 3/16/2006

"A well known technique in any propaganda war is the spreading of "disinformation" about your enemy. Disinformation is the new postmodern word for lies."

Yes, agreed wholeheartedly. Hasan (the troll) acts consistent with this (again, not in his own words) by working straight from the Nazi/Stalinist playbook, which reads: 'Accuse your enemies of the very things of which you are guilty'.

Any common moron can prove for themselves that what Hasan (the troll) is posting here is utter drivel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_conquest

Heil Mohammed!! (click heals and salute)

High and mighty - 3/16/2006

If he stopped his endless accusations and false rumor-thing, I might listen... but for now, hes just another "flammer" asshole!

boreal - 3/16/2006

Please relax
and give Hassan a chance answer
And read the links under the first Qoran,
Might enlighten you... just a little bit
Yours
boreal

Chad - 3/16/2006

Theres a hell of a difference between the idea, and how its performed: the sign of a total belivesystem failing!
The real problem is islams followers doesn't relate to criticism, and use propaganda as their first choice - as seen during the cartoon conflict, where misinformation spread like wildfire all over the arab world!
So you're right Hasan; but the gun points at yourself... can you relate to that, ot is it just the infidels talking?
Westerners care not for airy fairytales, especially when they disguise as religion: What is written in the quran, and what the world is witnessing, is totally opposite! But you can dream on, living in your scizo-world: we already figured the double meaning out!

Slater - 3/16/2006

>> "One of the most persistent lies repeated by its detractors is that Muslims spread their faith by the sword."

Yes, except this is not a lie, it's a fact. And Islamists prove it every day by threatening and attacking Europeans over a couple of cartoons.

I'll have to repeat myself here:
If you want Islam to be viewed as peaceful, stop being violent!

It's that easy.

boreaL - 3/16/2006

Hello Hassan
Could You pls. tell me about dr. Elmansys wiev on the ORIGIN of the Quran
Yours
boreal

hasan - 3/16/2006

A well known technique in any propaganda war is the spreading of "disinformation" about your enemy. Disinformation is the new postmodern word for lies.

If you repeat the same lies over and over again, listeners' critical thinking skills are numbed; and in the absence of any opposing argument, the lies eventually cannot be differentiated from truth.

Islam has had many enemies over the centuries and still has. One of the most persistent lies repeated by its detractors is that Muslims spread their faith by the sword.

Yet of all mainstream religions, none is more precisely documented as to its origin, revelation, message and teachings. Since its emergence through the Prophet Muhammad and his transmission of its holy book, the history of Islam has been well recorded. From the Prophet's time until today, the Quran has offered guidance and discipline for everyday life. As Islam spread, the lives and teachings of its messengers have also been documented.

As with Judaism and Christianity, the most influential and revered figures are those from the time when the faith was newly revealed; in Islam, these were Muslims who lived in the age of Prophet Muhammad and who embodied the teachings of the Quran as examples to their fellow human beings. Many of their thoughts and deeds were recorded for the benefit of future generations.

To return to the questions of whether the Quran encourages Muslims to spread their faith by force, or whether the Prophet himself set a violent example for Muslims to follow, one has only to consult the source.

The Quran is crystal clear in stating, "There is no compulsion in religion." (Quran 2:256) The commandment is absolute; there are no exceptions. Coercion, compulsion, force -- whatever one chooses to call it -- is forbidden. No other holy book lays down such a clear directive to its adherents.

Believers in the world's largest Muslim country of today, Indonesia, have never in history encountered foreign Muslim soldiers on their soil. The same is true for today's Muslims in Malaysia, China, sub-Saharan Africa, the Americas, Europe, and Turkey. All of these countries or regions were introduced to Islam through other Muslims, not by Muslim armies.

Even in Egypt where the earliest Muslims were mostly Arab soldiers, Islam was diffused slowly throughout the country over more than 400 years. The Egyptians loved Islam because the values it embraced, such as justice, equality, modernity and freedom.

And in Egypt, as well as in Persia, Greater Syria, India, North Africa and Spain, converts freely accepted Islam because it offered comparatively more than other religions of the day.

During those early centuries, people who felt oppressed or restricted by the rigidity of Christian and Jewish traditions, or excluded from the caste system of Hinduism, were attracted by the Islam's de-emphasis on hierarchy. They loved the Islamic teachings that God is One and the Lord of All, that humans can talk to God directly, and that there is no Original Sin Ð every human being is wholly accountable for his/her deeds.

So while it is true that Islam spread in some places with the speed of a bullet, no literal bullets have been involved. The whole concept of "convert or die" is utterly foreign and reprehensible to authentic Islamic beliefs and conduct. And the Quran itself further reinforces the sanctity of all human lives in saying that to kill another person is as evil as killing the entire human race.

Muslims do not blame any religion for the atrocities committed by those claiming to be its adherents.

Thus, Muslims do not blame Judaism itself for injustices committed by Jews against Palestinians. Nor do they blame Christianity per se for the crimes committed by Church-sanctioned medieval Crusades; for atrocities committed during the conquest of Spain by Christian armies and the subsequent persecution and expulsion of Muslims; nor for the horrors of the Inquisition, the St. BartholomewÕs Day Massacre, or any number of similar tragedies. All three faiths, rooted in Abrahamic tradition, teach similar values of non-violence, justice and equality. Those who take up the "cause" of any faith through violent means are in effect blasphemers of it.

The earliest Muslims in Arabia were persecuted and subjected to torture. They fled for their lives from Mecca to Medina, but their pagan enemies followed, determined to annihilate them. Then and only then, did Muslims take up arms in self-defense. This was no a religious war, however, but rather a forced political conflict in which the rich and powerful of 6th-century AD Arabia perceived their status being challenged. The MuslimsÕ aim was not to convert their pagan countrymen, but to defend themselves; similarly, the anti-Muslim pagans were not interested in suppressing Islam itself, but in subjugating its believers through political power.

When the Prophet Muhammad and his followers returned peacefully to Mecca in triumph, he granted pardon to the same people who had persecuted and waged war against him and his fellow Muslims.

This humane and generous behavior reflected the teaching of many Quranic verses which stress the importance of courtesy, politeness and civility, even where there has been severe conflict: "And the true servants of the God of Mercy are those who walk upon the earth humbly; and when the ignorant address them, reply ÔPeaceÕ; and they pass the night praying to their Lord, prostrating and standing." (Quran 25:63 - 64)

By:Dr. Mohamed Elmasry

ngotienthang - 3/16/2006

development future for network ATM

S Misra - 3/16/2006

Why in heaven's name are you soliciting the opinion of an anti-Semetic, homophobic, terrorist supporting (check his previous posts) idiot who cannot think in a remotely logical fashion?

S Misra - 3/15/2006

Hasan, at least it is only dead people. Muslims make it a point to kill living innocent people. A dead body is nothing, just a shell, soon to be dust. But true Moslems behead peace activists, murder innocents, and otherwise prove themselves loyal thugs of the Koran.

S Misra - 3/15/2006

When you use violence, it is a failure of the intellect and the imagination. If you don't use your mind rationally, you belong to a cult. The Koran uses violence and so it is a cult of death.

Franz - 3/15/2006

Lets reverse the question: why doesn't denmark, and other western countries, have the same HUGE problems with all other immigrants?
Why is the muslims so heavely represented in the wrong statistics?
Why does muslims always seem to create problems for the people in the countries that they settle in?
What is it with muslims, that make them stir up trouble whereever they go?

Their religion???

Bent - 3/15/2006

The only muslims who doesn't feel welcome in denmark, are ultrareligious fuck-ups, and the radical hate-imams... and they can perish for all that I care! But the rest are very welcome in denmark, and has rights you see no where else on the planet: The danish stat, by example, pays most muslim wifes the worlds highest welfare to do nothing. They have free education and support for their religious schools, they can build mosques and graceyards as that see fit... You know, Hasan, you just sorry you dont live here! Where do you live, by the way, Tora Bora?!

delbert - 3/15/2006

peace with moslems.i dont think so.they love death we love life.moslems hate the west. why do these same moslems desert their own moslem lands which were stolen terrorised & brutally beaten off ancient civilisations that were more advanced than many present arab lands riding on the devils black gold.perhaps moslems are fifth columists who want to enslave westerners as they did africans & are still murdering black african moslems in darfur sudan ,southern sudan & in other countries.moslems hate jews so moslems are the most racist cult on earth.they even hide in hoods copied from the kkk.just look at the cowardly arabs in israel.israel is too soft & so is the west.no moslem prisoners should ever be taken.why imprison moslems.help them on their way out of our solar system.

Bud - 3/15/2006

The cult of death - or the religion of peace???

Fred - 3/15/2006

Fuck of Hasan: This happens to christian and jewish graves as well in denmark (get your facts straight you idiot) - you know, braindead people are everywhere, and you as hell are surely one!

Boreal - 3/14/2006

Could the REAL REASON for the outrage be fear,among the powerfull clericy, of a beginning reformation of Islam ?
The outrage points that way... I think.
Reformation in some way has been under way in at least 80 years. Some died trying.
How long can one expect young, well trained and educated muslim scolars will not use their normal scientific and academic methods on the Quran also?. Why only using these methods on the job in the "lab" ?
Thats why the two links , can be found under Qoran above, is so very important.
Thats is a torpedo, not against muslim traditions og understanding of whats IN the Quran, but at the legimity and "autencity" of the Quran itself.

boreal - 3/14/2006

Hello you 2
Is it the 2 german scolars you are refering to ? Or the canadian professor.
Or is maybe some kind of Zionist conspiracy that laid the old Qurans to rest (in peace) in Sana ?
A little more specific pls.
Yours

hasan - 3/14/2006

The site is clearly mastered by a jewish extremist. DO YOU BELIEVE THE VIEWS OF AN EXTREMIST JEW OR A NEUTRAL PERSON. THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

example: David Ben-Ariel, a Christian-Zionist, has a God-given love for the Jews and the nation of Israel.

Check out the website and you'll find out. I normally avoid jewish extremists. Moderates are ok but extremists are plain devilish and i try to avoid devils.

hasan - 3/14/2006

That's garbage in and garbage out. This is what you'll find at

http://www.pushhamburger.com

Before reaching a conclusion to an article please go through all the material posted by the guy. He's purely a pshychopath and you'll find many such hillucinating yankees on the web. If you read all such crap you're wasting way too much time. Just go through his website and you'll see.

hasan - 3/14/2006

Anders Hansen, a spokesman for the local police, said vandals had pushed over headstones, smashing several into pieces, at the cemetery in Esbjerg.

Esbjerg is Denmark's fifth biggest city and is 250km west of the capital, Copenhagen.

"We don't know who did this," Hansen said, adding the attack probably happened late on Saturday or early on Sunday.

The cemetery has both Christian and Muslim graves, but only the Muslim graves were desecrated, he said.

Racism, Religious hatred and intolerence to minorities. Danes should be ashamed of themselves. First they pick the weakest muslim minority in their country and now they are after the Dead. Your level has reached its lowest...

Mark Linham - 3/13/2006

S Misra:

Very well said!

A major highlight of your last post I'd like to address:

Google should have told China that its business model includes (if it did (it should)) freedom of, and to, information, and that they are not in business to help them to murder their dissidents. If this meant Google's exclusion from China, their attitude should have been: "So be it!"

I completely agree: Entirely too many (very) bad deals have been made with dictators, and other sundry thugs, over the years by Western, or democratic, governments (and corporations - like Google).

It doesn't appear that our "Most Favored" "trading partner" is showing any interest whatsoever in mending its ways concerning human rights.
It's just getting richer and more powerful - but without the moral commitment to freedom that was the historical precursor to the West's prosperity.

boreal - 3/13/2006

Hi Hassen
Your opinion pls. on the subjects mentioned in Quran. Belov this thread
The 2 links if You please
k.r.
boreal

PBUH - 3/13/2006

You know - the only nazilike thing in this, is the backwardedness of your religion and the reaction it produces...
and by the way; all the brainwashed dudes surfing the net, promoting their minority complex: try reading a book for once, not that holy medieval warmanual of yours!

S Misra - 3/13/2006

Hasan

Hasan, you will lose like your namesake. Who was the loser Hasan?

Hasan (häsän´) , c.625—c.669; son of Ali and Fatima (daughter of Muhammad the Prophet). When Ali was killed in 661, Hasan became caliph, but he was not strong enough to withstand the threat of arms of the Umayyads and under pressure abdicated in favor of Muawiya. He retired to Medina and died, reputedly of poison. His more active brother, Husein, took up the family cause. The Shiites believe that Hasan was murdered by the Umayyads and venerate him as a martyr.

WELL, Hasan, like Hasan, you are doomed.

S Misra - 3/13/2006

Some of the most racist people are Arabs. The mistreatment of non-Arabs by Arabs in Saudi Arabia, home of the idol rock and the idol city to which every Mussalman must journey once in their hollow lives, is known to all. The mistreatment of non-Arabs by Arabs is a given in all Arab states. You also value whiter skin more than darker. Pakistanis killed Bengali Moslems because, in part, they were darker and shorter. The anti-racist movement started in a big way in the United States, with abolitionists and finally with Martin Luther King, and before that by a non-Moslem, Mohandas Karamchand (Mahatma) Gandhi. Arabs and other Mussalmans are nowhere in the civil rights movement. Racism is only one problem. You Muslims are also woman-fearers and woman-haters. You treat your women like property. In many Arab and Muslim lands, they cannot vote, cannot leave the home unescorted, are beaten if they show ankles, cannot vote, cannot become elected representatives (of course, neither can Mussalman men in most Moslem backwater states). Also, your "nations," many of which are nothing but colonial creations, have no religious toleration. Forget that, you teach hate of any other religion. You hate homosexuals. Moslems enslave Christians in Africa. And, of course, every innocent human being is a potential murder victim of the truly faithful. Hasan, you are a wishful thinker, though what you write is not so much thinking as it is vomiting.

S Misra - 3/13/2006

The cold war is not between Denmark and the Moslem world, actually the Sunni World and the Shiite World. The war is between one side, including Europe, America, Canada, India, parts of Africa, Latin America, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Russia, and any other nation who has experienced Islam at close quarters, and the so-called Moslem world. Remember the last cold war. That is your future. By the way, to the list you can add the leadership of every Arab oil state.

boreal - 3/13/2006

It`s remarkable how little is to be found on the net about this subject
But something can be found
http://www.pushhamburger.com/morenews13.htm
http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features99/orientalist.htm
Maybe we are seeing kind of fundament to an islamic "reformation"
And ... still.. prof. Rippin os a person knowing abour this.
Pulling the teeth out of Islamistists

Slater - 3/13/2006

Why do you insist on making yourself look like a complete retard?

If Muslims don't want this war, then they shouldn't start it. We have nothing to do with the violence - that's all muslim doing.

If they DO want the war, I'll be happy to see them batter themselves against the walls of Fort Europa and be wiped out.

hasan - 3/13/2006

With Prime Minister like Rasmussen and Queen like Margrethe it is evident that the notorious KKK has found a new breeding ground in the form of Denmark. To put an icing we have the extremist Peoples Party. Welcome to Nazimark!

If this cartoon issue is not resolved it may result in another cold war between Denmark and Muslim Countries. Do'nt think anyone else would be standing by denmark in the hour of need.

boreal - 3/13/2006

Hello canadians
Are you aware of the fact that you have an expert in Canada, prof. Andrew Rippin, Uni. of Victoria.
He might be willing to tell ypu abouy the Sana Quran fragments
Verry interesting.
Boreal

dufuss - 3/12/2006

Even when arab/muslems get what they want they turn around and blame somebody !!!!1

Check this -> http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/D474D0DD-4235-49B2-91AE-14DF889B2EB2.htm

first they were complaining the US was opposing Hamas. now they are complaining the US is was supporting Hamas. AHAHAHAHA!!!

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/12/2006

Hasan,

There are simply too many points worthy of comment embedded in this article, for me to reply in the space available. That is to say, there is ten times as much text I could type in response to whole of this article, as there is in the article itself!

So unless you like to read alot, please select a major point expressed in this article that reflects your thinking and I will gladly respond. It is optional whether you choose to offer your own words, or quote the author's text.

thx

hasan - 3/12/2006

Recently, when a Danish newspaper published cartoons offensive to Muslims, Muslim protests met claims that our Western democracies had to uphold the sacred principle of free speech. Under no circumstances could we Westerners be expected to give up that important right simply because others objected to being criticized or insulted.

But wait a moment. Don't our Western democracies ban racial criticisms and insults? What happens to our sacred principles and rights then?

Indeed, even as the debate over the Danish cartoons was under way, an anti-Western Muslim in Britain was sentenced inter alia to 21 months imprisonment for allegedly inciting racial hatred against us Westerners.

And now in the United States and Australia, even speech favoring alleged Islamic enemies can be punished. So what are we to conclude -- that it is OK to disparage people for their religion, but not for their politics or race?

One wonders how educated Muslims view this contorted logic, particularly since it is contradicted by the brutally racist conduct of U.S. and British soldiers in Iraq.

As for the limp-wristed apologies for that conduct coming out of London and Washington, we all know that, if not for the incriminating videos and photos, those atrocities would have remained unpunished. Indeed, it is quite likely they would still be continuing.

In Vietnam, even worse atrocities continued happily for 10 years without any of our governments or media getting very disturbed. Racial contempt for occupied peoples is buried deep in the psyche of the Western soldier.

But getting back to the elevated world of what we in the West say rather than what we do -- the reason we oppose, at least in principle, racial insults is that race is an important part of our identity. We have a long history of racial brutalities, hatreds, discriminations toward each other. So today we have no choice but to try to put a lid on remarks that try to inflame or justify them.

Now turn to Muslim societies. For them religion rather than race is more important for identity. One reason is that they have a powerful religion -- Islam -- that provides a seemingly coherent code of both spiritual and temporal conduct. The global spread of Islam is one result. True, there are factional differences -- Shiite versus Sunni, for example. Even so, all Muslims accept that there is one source of ultimate truth (Mecca) -- something that cannot be said of our fractious Western religions.

The remarkable way Muslims manage to sublimate racial differences for the sake of religion is one result. The sight of millions of Muslims from all nations, rich and poor, all clad in identical white robes, all living and praying together for days on end to complete their Hajj obligations at Mecca, is proof. Could any of our Western religions claim to overcome racial differences as easily?

In short, while we in the West, and Japan, still cling to the tribalistic concept of race as the basis for identity, and are sensitive to any criticisms in this area, the Muslim peoples have moved on to the concept of religion as the basis of identity and are equally, if not more, sensitive to criticisms in this area.

At the very least, to ridicule Muslims for their sensitivity to religious insults while we busily jail people in our own societies for racial insults is not a very impressive example of our allegedly superior Western values in action. But the chances of this penetrating the closed, ethnocentric minds of our anti-Muslim pundits is close to zero, I am afraid.

The same biases pollute our media. Islamic militants fighting to rid their country of Western occupation armies are automatically denounced as "terrorists" (even if not too many years ago they were embraced as "freedom fighters" when they opposed Soviet occupying forces). Those willing to sacrifice their lives in the process are denigrated as deranged, cowardly, fanatical.

Nazi Germany in its efforts to suppress guerrilla and resistance forces in occupied territories would have used such vocabulary proudly.

True, the U.S. says it wants democracy for the Muslim peoples, yet it imposes bans whenever fair elections return or threaten to return Islamic movements it does not like -- Algeria, Iran and now Palestine. Meanwhile it retains close links with regimes that it likes but which refuse elections. It is like American industrialist Henry Ford saying his customers could have any color car they wanted, provided it was black.

The Islamic peoples are not fools. How much longer do we expect them to put up with this kind of self-serving nonsense?

Following the Hamas victory in the recent Palestine elections, we were treated to endless media warnings about the victory of a terrorist organization calling for the destruction of the Israeli state. The allegedly impartial BBC was as guilty as most. Soon afterward, though, the same BBC did give us an impartial documentary that made it clear that Hamas was the only political force offering concerned and non-corrupt government for the Palestinian people, and that its anti-Israel attitude owed much to Israeli defiance of U.N. resolutions condemning takeovers of Palestinian territory and the expulsions of Palestinian people.

More than anything else, it is this inability to realize cause and effect -- that if people lose their rights and their territory by force then they have no alternative but to retaliate with force -- that underlies Muslim anger against the West.

If I were to exercise my right of free speech and suggest that maybe use of force is justified in freedom-loving Australia, I would be jailed, to the applause of the very people who demand the right to insult and use force against Muslims. How hypocritical can you get?

Gregory Clark is vice president of Akita International University, Japan.

hasan - 3/12/2006

What happened in spain should be an eye opener to all who points finger at islam. You can point fingers to muslims who swayed from their religion but you cannot find fault with islam.

Muslims ruled spain and yet remained in minority. Had they used force the whole of spain would have been converted. The use of force is what you see by the Allied forces against muslims and Danish Army is part of such BLOODY act!

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/12/2006

Here's a hint at other special provisions islamists will come to expect:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,,1728714,00.html

"The Islamic hour, by contrast, was one in a string of demands tabled by a group close to the Muslim Brotherhood. Other proposals included the censorship of school text books."

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/11/2006

I hoarded some more Danish lager yesterday.

I'm having trouble finding detailed reporting on the conference however,

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18424653%255E1702,00.html

... but did witness some TV news footage where one of the muslim attendees stated orally that he DEMANDED an apology and DEMANDED respect for islam. A childish display.

He also DEMANDED that laws should be passed. That'd be the "thin edge of the wedge". Pass those laws and DEMANDS for more follow, under threat of penalties again.

So I support the "BUYCOTT"!

S Misra - 3/11/2006

The funny thing is that in the Old Testament, when the Jews were leaving Egypt, or so they say, they were wandering through the desert and really, really wanted a place to pray. God said just put together some uncut rocks, have a fire, sacrifice, then when all is done,take the alter apart. The Jews were not happy about this, so God finally gives them a really, really detailed way of putting together a tabernacle, the most inside, the holy of holies, was empty. God has a sense of humor. Likewise, it is amusing that for such idol breakers, Muslims just have to swim upstream to spritually spawn at the rock in the desert. Just like salmon, if they die there, they consider it especially holy. This behavior they share with Hindus and the Ganges. Nobody wants to do the hardest thing, serve their fellow human beings, be kind, be humble, and do not be violent, if you have to convert others, do so by your gentleness and logic, not force. That's too hard.

S Misra - 3/11/2006

Remember to keep buying Danish, and buying products from all other countries that have published the cartoons.

Mark Linham - 3/11/2006

At the risk of sounding nihilistic..

Since such rottenness is often called "righteous", there is often a great deal of good in what is called the "unrighteous".

Sssshhhhh! Be very quiet, and don't let this get out! You just DON'T KNOW what this might lead to!

Gary - 3/11/2006

Quote: "Just today, a Quaker, a member of a nonviolent group serving the Iraqi poor, was killed by his Koran reading, true to the spirit of Islam kidnappers."

And to add to the hypocrisy of this maniac religion, Fox and his colleagues were kidnapped by a group calling itself, "Swords of Righteousness Brigades "

Righteousness indeed!!!

S Misra - 3/10/2006

Anyone has the right to insult any religion whatsoever. People like you just don't get it. Now, it would be nice if the argument went beyond an insult into analysis, but even that is considered an insult by Muslims. In short, no one can say anything against you. You even kill people from other Moslem sects, so you even kill for theological differences.

By the way, it is not just Jews who died in the Holocaust. Somewhere between 6 and 12 million other people were murdered, including Roma (Gypsies), mixed-race people with a parent from (Moslem) northern Africa, Slavs, Catholics, believers in nonviolence (7 Christian conscientious objectors), and a variety of political prisoners. Nazis intended on murdering or enslaving all non so-called Aryans. Hasan, that includes you. But of course, your knowledge of any history, including your own, is rather poor. By attacking the Holocaust, you show your truly ignorant and evil nature, because you deny the suffering of 12-18 million innocents in the greatest and only industrial and organized mass murder in the history of humanity. You insult all victims of that evil regime. How would you like it if your sister was raped, and someone stood by and denied it despite all evidence?

S Misra - 3/10/2006

Hasan, you take whining and poor history to an art form. Your Muslim nations are saddled with dictators because you have had such monsters from the time of and including the so-called prophet. You have become accustomed to dictatorships who manipulate your ignorant people to control them. Your own rich squander their wealth, do little to support the poor, and even in that shining land of holy sand and rock, Saudi Arabia, can't even protect the pilgrims who participate in those repetitive rituals. What will industrial countries do when the oil gets low? Alternative fuels and energy sources. You underestimate the creativity of human beings. Most of the oil nations of the middle East are one resource nations, and such nations, in the long recorded history of humanity, always run out of steam. You have no universities worth mentioning and no freedoms. Your brightest leave your nations to study and work. You are a blip on the historical screen. You cannot rise as long as you have Islam, as long as you hate your women enough and don't trust them enough to give them respect, let alone rights, and as long as your views on history are not analytical but whiney. My suggestion to you, give up violence, give up hatred of women, give up Islam, give up dictatorship, apologize to the peoples you have plundered everywhere from Africa to India and beyond, and join the rational and free people of the world.

But, my sense is that your religion will keep you as oppressed as you kept others, and it will always recommend to you violence. By the way, you hate each other. You hate the innocent. Just today, a Quaker, a member of a nonviolent group serving the Iraqi poor, was killed by his Koran reading, true to the spirit of Islam kidnappers. Why don't you just keep blowing up each other's mosques and burning each other's Korans and kidnapping and killing each other's clerics, shooting each other, and hating each other, and leave civilized people alone.

Such hate comes from somewhere, and that somewhere is the book, the Koran. Read it. I have. It is as utterly false as the caste system, as Zeus, as the Aztec god that demanded the blood of human sacrifice to be satisfied. One day, Islam will be read about and people will wonder, as they do now, how anyone could believe in such a violent and merciless faith.

Mark Linham - 3/10/2006

Hasan,

There are no overwhelmingly agreed upon tradable values you're alluding to here, if I understand you correctly - and I think I do.

Yes we want oil, which is cheap to Muslim homelands (also cheap to my great Father of Destruction, the Great Satan to whom I pledge allegiance, The United States of America), but for my part, if that oil must be purchased at the expense of Western culture and values, or at the expense of allowing unfettered lawless behavior on your part, in *our* (Western) countries, then keep your goddamn oil (and I know I'm far from alone in this viewpoint).

Ulimately, we *already* have the technology to convert to energy alternatives. The switch is already beginning, and as geopolitical pressures increase, that changeover will accellerate.

S Misra - 3/10/2006

Going out to kill someone is not the same as defending yourself and in the process the aggressor is hurt or killed.

I, for example, have been trained in nonaversive physical management, which one must do with people with a variety of mental disabilities who are also aggressive or self injurious. In the process, you cannot hurt them and cannot allow yourself to be hurt, but, again, they are not carrying bombs. For the kind of people who kill indiscriminantly, to save lives, you may have to injure or kill them, in that crisis situation. But one must also work to avoid crises by upholding common morality. One cannot support dictators by selling them arms, or by providing them, as Google does in China, means to censor people and even to expose them to prosecution by that criminal regime. This, the support of rights, we have not done enough, and then we are stuck with the evil it produces, such as Hussain, the Taliban, and others, which too often we have supported to achieve a short sighted aim.

Gary - 3/10/2006

Quote: "Shameless europeans"

What a joke! Tell me then Hasan, why do your "Muslim Brothers" do business with these and other shameless infidels? What will they do when alternate energy sources are developed to replace oil? Right now you rank the status of a "necessary evil", which modern technology will replace, making your stinking oil quite useless to us infidels. Alahu Akbar!

Singer - 3/10/2006

Please hasan, stop getting your facts from a gumball machine...

Bud - 3/10/2006

Hasan - denmark is a eksporter of oil... and the rest of the crab your writing, is just as wrong too!
Get a life - or maybe a new religion!?

hasan - 3/10/2006

France's president, Jacques Chirac recently went to saudi arabia to seek economic gains for france. Yet another european who goes after muslim money and resources even when they mull and marooning the local muslim population in france. Yet they are shameless in going to muslims for their money. In the wake of recent Oil price hike many countries including the likes of UK, Germany, Denmark, Holland, Norway and the father of all destruction the U.S are now focussing on encashing these oil producing gulf countries to help rejuvenate their staggering economies.

Shameless europeans then go on objecting to muslims living in european countries. In reality, muslim countries pay for their muslim brothers living in these european countries.

We pay far more then we get in return. A huge price...

sage - 3/9/2006

i just wont konw why they were figting

Bent - 3/9/2006

No, this is huge! Normally the same 10 people would hijack the agenda... 700 is a revolution!
Anyway, I think they have passed a 1000 some time ago!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 3/9/2006

I don't mean to sound negative, but if only 700 Muslims in free Denmark could stand up for this relgion of terror, can we blame their counterparts in the Muslim world?

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/811

anti-islam - 3/9/2006

hopefully the last moslem fool will be gone soon

Infidelity - 3/8/2006

Watched two vids for Wafa.

I can think of few things in life funnier than watching religious zealots (in this case the muslim variety) attempting to argue/debate rationally!

Thanks for the link.

Acer laptops - 3/8/2006

i like this one...keep it up

Acer laptops - 3/8/2006

i like this one...keep it up

Mark Linham - 3/7/2006

Hear hear, S Misra!

I agree with just about everything you just said, except that I can't really and truly *love* my enemies. I think I would be lying if I said I did.

However, if we can manage to have/establish free societies - and universally, not just in Western Europe and the United States - you, I, and others can, nevertheless, peacefully coexist with those who may seem to be our enemies. Because in a free society - and *only* in a free society, they can go their ways and not interfere with us, and we can go our ways, and not interfere with them.

Allow me to digress:

The above presupposes that "freedom" be defined primarily - if not exclusively - in terms of individual rights, and not any form of collective "rights". While it is true that we possess great strength in numbers, and that some rights indeed are collective in nature (such as air, water, roads, national parks, etc), if we lose sight of the welfare of the smallest minority, namely, that of the individual, we've lost our whole reason for political accomplishment; since the welfare of the group is best indicated by how well it treats its individual members.

So, if say, a Muslim wants to revere Allah and his prophet, and in unctuous devotion mortify his own flesh in the name of the same, I have no interest in stopping him. By this same token (and I know you agree already), he has no right to include even one unwilling other person in his madness.

So to return to the topic: No, I don't love him, but I would not kill him if he isn't trying to do that to me or anyone else.

Bent - 3/7/2006

Just search "Wafa" when you enter the page, and the link doesnt show up! Its essential listening!

Cheers...and peace to ya'll!

Bent - 3/7/2006

www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&;P1=1050

Bent - 3/7/2006

http://www.memritv.org/
search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=1050

Bent - 3/7/2006

http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2006/03/the_rage_game_r.php#more

Or here:

http://www.memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&;P1=1050

BMC - 3/7/2006

Sheesh. All this fuss and bluster about caricatures of the last prophet (pizza be upon him) and all along there's been another (and hopefully the "last" this time!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith%2C_Jr.

Mark Linham - 3/5/2006

Sounds good.. I just had some red wine! :)

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/5/2006

Thanks for that clarification. I'll now drink a "Faxe Amber" (Danish lager beer) on your behalf. ;)

Mark Linham - 3/5/2006

Addendum:

"but [I] still need to clarify whether:

~ 'threatening others with death" is more/less evil than utterances which "caused actual demonstrable and specific harm to one's reputation or livelihood'"

Usually an actual death threat would be *more* evil - in addition to being properly *criminal*, and punishable under the law - relative to a libel or slander, which is something more suitable to a civil litigation with monetary damages.

Mark Linham - 3/5/2006

Infidel:

You raise some very good questions that point to the need for greater clarification of what I've said.

With regard to my views on the scope of protected free speech:

1) My view of legally permissible offensive speech is that it permits virtually anything, except libel and slander. However, it is neither possible, nor desirable, nor permissible to stop libel and slander head on. This libel and slander, rather than being suppressed my brute force, must be dealt with in a court of law, and then only if demonstrable actual and specific harm is done by the speech in question to either one's reputation or livelihood.

also:

2) My view of legally permissible offensive speech is that it permits virtually anything, except *credible* threats of actual physical violence. This means I can, probably without any consequence say "I'm gonna kill you", as long as you have - or perceive - no believable reason to think that I really, literally, mean that.
If, however, I say that in a context where I have a record of demonstrated homicidal tendencies and actions, and have thus issued a truly credible threat against you, or have in some other context stated this in a way that makes the threat literally credible, I have then violated your rights, just as surely as if I had actually, already, performed the deed itself. Because now, you must put your life on hold - at least partly. You must, in this second case, take reasonably supposed defensive actions to protect your life, your family, loved ones, property, against the threat. I have in this second case, cost you dearly. And no one, regardless of the claimed reason, should ever be able to do that to you, or anyone else; at least not without suffering severe, and probably fatal, reprisals for having done so.

In summation, therefore, actual death threats are truly an exception - and a profoundly necessary one - which makes the practice of free speech otherwise possible.
Death threats are not permissible free speech. Or as someone I greatly respect and admire once put it (and I paraphrase): If blasphemy is the issue, then those who issue death threats are committing blasphemy against the sanctity of life.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/5/2006

Here's a refreshing way of looking at things:

http://humanist.toronto.on.ca/ImagineNoHeaven.html

Mark Linham - 3/5/2006

Don't worry. I wouldn't shoot you. It is not my way.

Moreover, I am aware of the existence of reasonable Muslims - even liberal ones - even *radical* ones! So, I will here reaffirm that my animus is not directed against them.

All that is required of *all* of us is that we repudiate the initiation of force against one another. Within this framework, we may criticize - or even ridicule and offend - each other to our hearts' content(s), if we so choose, and it injures none of us.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/5/2006

At the risk of splitting hairs .... ;)

Unless I read this incorrectly, the implication in point #1 is that all forms of speech ought to be free and unfettered "no matter how offensive the speaker is/was perceived to be". Moreover, utterances "that [have] caused actual demonstrable and specific harm to one's reputation or livelihood" constitute "truly evil speech" to which one needn't "resort to death threats".

I'm neither agreeing/disagreeing with the body of your arguments, but need to point out you propose "DEATH only to those who *start* the ugly business of threatening others with death", but still need to clarify whether:

~ "threatening others with death" is more/less evil than utterances which "caused actual demonstrable and specific harm to one's reputation or livelihood"
~ "threatening others with death" is protected as free speech under the clause "no matter how offensive the speaker is/was perceived to be"
~ "DEATH only to those who *start* the ugly business of threatening others with death" is exempt from "we don't have to resort to death threats" in response to "truly evil speech"

Note we refer here only to the utterance of death threats, not their execution (pun intended!)

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/5/2006

Notwithstanding your passionate views about muslim militancy, you've not distanced yourself from the infantile logical error the 'poem' commits.

It is neither objective, or true that: all muslims == muslim militants

p.s. Take me outside and shoot me the day I become "politically correct" ... *yech*

Mark Linham - 3/5/2006

Corrections, and annotations:

With regard to the last part of section one, in the above post which this answers, a principled defense of free speech - as I've said elsewhere on this page - must include the protection of the speech of those who offend our religions, sense of propriety, sensibilities, or that is "obscene", or whatever. But it also must include the protection of the speech of those who are not telling the truth (such as Holocaust deniers). As a purely practical matter, we cannot discover the truth about any given thing - or about the various and sundry people themselves who hold to various doctrines, good, bad, and ugly - unless there is this kind of complete free-reign for free exression.
If another has told a lie about something, the solution is not to forcibly ban the speech of the liar, but to use one's own rights to freedom of speech to expose him, and his nonsense, for what it indeed is.

And if someone has told a lie about one's self that has caused actual demonstrable and specific harm to one's reputation or livelihood, we in the West have a well developed civil litigation system that enables one to defend one's self against libel and slander, and to recover monetary damages from the offender in a court of law. Even in this most eggregious case of truly evil speech - we don't have to resort to death threats, or the force of mindless brutes.

In a truly free society, if someone is offended, for either good reasons, or not, by what someone else has in effect or explicitly said, one is free to either ignore said person(s), and refuse to ever associate with him/her. If one is somehow forcibly prevented from avoiding the offensive person or propaganda, we are then dealing with something that, more rightly, is categorizable as a physical assault, and not legally protectable free speech.

Finally:

With regard to section two, in the previous post here, I meant (more fully) to say that we all must thoroughtly understand - AND BEGIN ACTING ACCORDINGLY - or risk losing our freedom and lives...

We must ACT according to what we know, or can rationally discover to be true, or no human values are possible, including life and liberty.

Mark Linham - 3/5/2006

I've come across two things in some of the posts to this page that are disturbing to me and deserve comment:

1) Different people find different things offensive - virtually a truism. But some, in so doing, have resorted to arbitrary hair-splitting regarding what is legally permissible, though offensive speech, and other speech that (the implication goes), is too "blasphemous", or whatever, to be allowed.
This represents a crack in the foundation - as it were - of Westerners' commitment to freedom, and free speech. And as such is a danger to life and liberty. This is a failure on the part of some of us here to recognize that a defense of principle that respects no persons, is crucial - indeed, the key ingredient - to advancing a revival of free thought.
Principle, not whims or personal preferences: A revival of which is very much needed, if we all are to maintain the delicate mechanisms that make the rational discovery of the truth (whatever that may be, in any given context) possible. And it is upon this that our very survival as human beings depends.

You can't have it both ways, people. If you propose, say, that burning any country's flag is not a form of legitimate free speech, then upon what ground do you stand when attempting to defend infidel blasphemers and idolators? Likewise, if you want to uphold religious dogma as something exempt from criticism, you are not promoting religious tolerance and diversity and respect among people, but rather a *dominating* (and therefore, most disrespectful) position over others, for the adherents to that dogma.

2) Another potentially fatal error some here commit, similar in structure to the one discussed above, is their failure to focus upon the essential matter at issue, here:

The issue is that initiatory *force* is being, and has been, threatened and carried out against others who have merely spoken, in some way or another, against a religion.
Once this is done, no matter how offensive the speaker is/was perceived to be, the only relevant issue then is that the threatener of force has committed a crime, and has therefore forfeited his right to any respect, or consideration as a human being, and properly understood, has invited destruction only upon himself.

It is about this last thing, especially, that there must be no failure to recognize the issue at hand, or what the issue holds at stake. Therefore, there can, and must be, be no apologies to anyone - especially not to religious nuts of any kind, or any repudiation of principle, or even the slightest compromise about this.. ever!
Politically-correct bullshit BE GOD-DAMNED!

DEATH only to those who *start* the ugly business of threatening others with death.

We all MUST thoroughly understand this, or risk losing our freedom and our lives (that too many of us take for granted) to forces that will otherwise, eventually, overwhelm Western governments and societies.

Mark Linham - 3/5/2006

I refuse to apologize for this one, damn it.

Only an unfocused "mind" would fail to recognize the *justice* in striking back at a deadly enemy with lethal force. It is the only language such people understand, and the only response they (richly) deserve!

Muslims can believe whatever they wish, no matter how much anyone dislikes it. But when they commit acts of terror, issue "fatwas", etc, in the name of anything - including their religion - they forfeit the right to be thought of, or treated, as human beings.

The only relevant issue, where militant Muslims is concerned, are the crimes they have committed, and continue to commit, by threatening others; not their supposed status as another ethnic and cultural group.

Cut your politically correct crap, and focus more on what truly is objectively just and fair.

- 3/5/2006

YEAH!!!!! GREAT IDEA!!!!

I'm going to start printing some teeshirts with Muhammad and the pig nose....and wear them PROUDLY!!!!!!

Muhammad was a HORRIBLE terrorist!!

Rall - 3/5/2006

Hey look...

The whole world knows ISLAM is a shitty religion, and we all know your pathetic "prophet" Muhammad was a terrorist Jihadist too. I'm creating teeshirts with the pictures of Muhammad just like the Danish Cartoonist created, and I'm wearing them everywhere and all my friends and family are wearing them too because we HATE Muhammad and Islam and think ISLAM is a cancer on this planet earth.

Death to ISLAM forever.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/4/2006

Hmm, thats odd. My post above is mucked up.

Line should read:

"... the author does not appear to continue this thought moving instead to:"

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/4/2006

Could somebody please clarify this? The article reads in a largely meaningful way, till the closing two paragraphs:

"But if the issue is recast as one of enlightenment versus barbarism by Europeans, then surely there is hardly a Muslim who would be in doubt as to which side of the contest he or she is supposed to represent."

... the author does not appear to continue this t*****t, moving instead to:

"For those looking for an apt analogy to understand the significance of the cartoon controversy, it would not be an insensitive satirising of Jesus that devout Christians would find blasphemous, a religious transgression, but an anti-Semitic hate cartoon that would alarm all decent people, secular or religious."

... Wah? Where does he get this idea?

Finally:

"The group best placed to sense the gravity of this moment is that of European Muslims. They must be acutely aware that the depiction of Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist goes beyond a general demonisation of Muslims to a direct assault on Muslims in Europe."

Huh? How does this conclusion emerge from any of the preceding article text?

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/4/2006

This poem is a disgrace, as all "men with minds" would attest.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/4/2006

"Denying the Holocaust is falicious. A sensitive matter to the jews to be sure, but Holocaust denial is not blasphemy, hence its separate treatment under freedom of speech laws."

*heh* To be clear, my wording wrongly hints there are laws against falicious claims (though sometimes one may wish there were!).

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/4/2006

Yah gotta luv reading these articles. ;)

"...in our media monitoring work for the last many years, we have never come across degrading treatment of any other religion... " !!

Juxtapose that with the second paragraph of the article to appreciate the oddity of the claim. But why quibble.

The author's media monitoring may have missed something called the Enlightenment too. Isn't that when Europe decided it was a huge waste of time and resource to keep killing everyone deemed the latest blasphemer?

This is not about freedom of speech gone mad, as the author would have us believe. This is about blasphemy. The author clings to the notion that his religion is exempt from such "insults" and that laws must be instituted to prevent such "attacks" in future. He does not state as such because he cannot see it that way, leading him to ask rhetorically "Why pick on [his special religion]?".

This failure to see the core issue helps explain another classic gaff of the "Freedom of speech gone awry" argument, wherein Holocaust denial is linked with these stupid cartoons.

A cartoon of Mohammed (correct spelling be upon him) is blasphemous. Denying the Holocaust is falicious. A sensitive matter to the jews to be sure, but Holocaust denial is not blasphemy, hence its separate treatment under freedom of speech laws. (Arguably denying the Holocaust is a sort of "historical blasphemy" and academic circles today debate this very point.)

Why pick on islam, indeed. Me ... I just find it great fun! 8D

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/4/2006

My mistake - Nazareth is not Jerusalem. Make that two amusement parks then.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/4/2006

*sigh*

All you monotheists and your holy sites.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/2006/03/04/nazareth-attack060304.html

Couldn't we just turn Jerusalem into an amusement park?

ASAP - 3/4/2006

Well - cut the hipocrasi and burn down newspapers in the middle east that print anti-jew cartoons, and we will get back to you, pea-brain!

And by the way, we dont buy your sneaking oppression of the world - we live in a free society, and no intolerant religion is going to change that!

hasan - 3/4/2006

Freedom of Expression versus protection of minorities
by: Bashy Quraishy

In any society, Freedom of Expression is a fundament on which a democratic system is built. It gives the little man, a possibility to raise a voice against tyranny and state oppression, demand the rights and not to be afraid of the power elite. But as it is with every concept, Freedom of Expression can also be used to insult, oppress and create conflicts between various groups. Furthermore, it is sometimes misused to push the unfair opinions of the majority over minorities. And unfortunately, this is exactly, what is happening in Denmark for the last few decades. Seen through today’s practices,the noble concept of Freedom of Expression, , is tantamount to, freedom for the journalists, editors and other powerful racist and Islamophobic groups to ridicule, ethnic minorities, their cultures and their faiths.

Sadly enough, Denmark is also one of the very few countries in the Western World where Freedom of Expression takes precedence over human rights of ethnic minorities. This priority is not only liberally taken advantage of, by the Danish media - often intentionally - but has become an accepted norm in the wider society. The judicial system, the politicians and the intellectuals guard this man made principle with great vigour. The ensuing result is a stream of racist statements from politicians of established parties, anti -Islam rhetoric on web sites, public debates degrading minorities, accusing media discussions and outright blasphemic utterances on daily basis.

The latest example of this sad situation is that the largest newspaper in Denmark- Jyllands Posten - commissioned the Danish cartoonists to draw cartoons of Prophet Mohammed. 12 very derogatory and insulting cartoons, depicting the Prophet as a terrorist and women exploiter were published in the newspaper on 30th September 2005. This uncalled for provocation has poisoned the atmosphere and created a conflict between Denmark and the Islamic World and has even reached the United Nations.

It is frustrating to hear and read the arguments being put forward by the newspaper and its allies. The newspaper in a TV interview admitted that their provocation was meant to help the progressive Muslims against the more militant ones. This is a funny argument, because if J.Posten really wanted to help the so-called moderate Muslims, then the last thing they should have done is to insult the religion of Islam and its Prophet. There is not even a little understanding of, how Muslim communities are hurt.

Since in our media monitoring work for the last many years, we have never come across degrading treatment of any other religion, we wish to ask the Danish media in general and newspaper Jyllands Posten in particular; Why pick on Islam? We know that the Danish or any European media would not dare to make fun of sensitive issues in other religions. Can one imagine, J.Posten asking Danish cartoonists to draw derogatory cartoons of Pope, Dalai Lama, Hindu deities or make fun of the Holocaust horrors?

Freedom of Expression is and should be very important to all of us. It must be protected but it has never been unlimited. It is regulated by the law and most important of all, by the moral responsibility of the majority society that must protect the minorities from attacks - physical, verbal, or written. All we are asking is that the politicians must take a stand against the misuse of Freedom of Expression and refrain from supporting the injustices.

S Misra - 3/4/2006

Oh, and I should add, if both can't be right, and one is wrong, then Mohammed sees one of them as heretics. So Mohammed cannot love both Sunni and Shiites.

S Misra - 3/4/2006

No. Mohammed is respected and loved by Shia differently than by Sunni and to prove it, you don't even respect each other's places of worship, each other's mullahs or imams, even each other's Korans. Today, they are busy proving to the world that to one sect the other is heretical and does not know Mohammed at all. After all, both cannot be right, so at least one is wrong, but which sect is it? Can't prove it. Well, the only solution is to just believe, have faith, because blind faith is enough. The only thing better for Moslems is blind, murderous faith.

Gary - 3/3/2006

Excerpts from some Palestinian videos include the statements:

"We are a nation that drinks blood, and we know that there is no blood better than the blood of Jews.

My dear mother ... wipe your tears. ... Don't let me see you sad on my wedding day with the maidens of paradise.

Escort our souls to heaven after we fulfill this duty of crushing the descendents of monkeys and pigs.

I hoped that the shredded limbs of my body would be shrapnel, tearing the Zionists to pieces, knocking on heaven's door with the skulls of Zionists. ... My blood shall be my path to march to heaven."

This farewell video of Adham Ahmad Hujyla Abu Jandal was published on a Hamas website last month.

Mark Linham - 3/2/2006

I didn't write the above poem.. but I wish I had!

Mark Linham - 3/2/2006

Yes, absolutely.

Any Muslims that are peaceful are so *in spite* of the Koran, which unambiguously instructs to kill the infidel (uh, that's US, people) wherever he is found.

Mark Linham - 3/2/2006

POSTSCRIPT:

Some additional thoughts, and a list:

Islamic countries that are terrorist strongholds:

Iran

Syria

Pakistan (The current leader of Pakistan is a relative moderate, but he can't live forever. And when he dies, Pakistan is going to be a problem.. and they have nukes.)

Afghanistan (the U.S. didn't finish the job there, because of the misguided Iraq diversion. The Taliban still rules much of that country.)

at least the above should definitely be on our hit list.

Other countries that are also terrorist strongholds, but which have governments that at least *claim* that they are trying to cooperate (HA!) with the West in stopping their indigenous extremists:

Saudi Arabia (15 of the 19 highjackers)

United Arab Emirates

My knowledge of this problem, I must admit, is not exhaustive. So consider this list, probably incomplete!

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

OK. You're right, I'm sorry.

Perhaps that was an overstatement of the case.

Destroy SOME (not all) Muslim countries. SOME of them indeed are terrorist strongholds and havens, and by being that, have forfeited their right to exist.

Infidelity - 3/1/2006

"The creator of this mess forgot to acknowledge the fact that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is loved and respected by Shia and Sunni alike."

*bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah*

Too bad they have such trouble over who should have succeeded him!

*bwah-hah-hah-hah-hah*

(btw ... how can a Prophet have a successor?)

Infidelity - 3/1/2006

"By the way - which arab products should be avoided, other than that terrorism-supporting oil?"

Camels?
Sand?

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/1/2006

"Narcissism you wrote -- what is it that Sigmund whispers in wind...?"

Heck yeah, I've got my 'narcy' tendencies, but that alas was not my point. Apologies for my not returning to this thread sooner, Pom.

I'd earlier stumbled across this article referring to narcisism; the article is a bit strident in places, but certainly thought provoking.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/introduction.htm

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/1/2006

p.s. (apologies) mine is a reply to Mark's last post, above.

Proud to be an Infidel - 3/1/2006

You may therefore wish to qualify your earlier statement: "Destroy all Muslim countries, NOW!" to be consistent with the distinction you agree to be making, no?

;)

Gary - 3/1/2006

Quote: "Flush the Koran down the toilet, make the bastards eat pork, to hell with Allah and fuck Mohammed, and BOMB Mecca to smithereens."

Sorry, but I still agree with your anger comment here. The source of the problem is the koran, the prophet, and his militant teachings. Various others on this board have made this quite clear in previous postings. No apologies needed.

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

Yes, I agree. And I am making that distinction.

Any inflammatory remarks I have to make are directed only at the militants (the initiators of violence), not at those Muslims who truly, genuinely, wish to peacefully coexist with us - and this, of course, includes: WITHOUT depriving others of the right to disagree with - or not practice - their religion.

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

AMEN, and amen:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4763520.stm

BMC - 3/1/2006

... not my words:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4763520.stm

Sune Jensen - 3/1/2006

UNWRA warning that a scandinavian citizen should had been killed -
So what.

Bud - 3/1/2006

Listen - I'll agree on, that islamism shall be fought back whatever the means!
But at the same time, lets make a sharp distinction between them, and the majority of muslims, living in peace with the world, without sharia and the other de-humanising sideeffects of religious intellectual melt-down!

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

POSTSCRIPT (then I'll shut up ;)

"Cooling it" and using only conciliatory language will not asuage violent savages who have no understanding of such niceties.

It doesn't matter what any of us say here. Your being nice won't stop their terrorism.

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

Ok, I'll cool it - for now.

Just a note, though, about an important distinction that must be made, that many who post to this board may not be making:

The kind of anger - and indeed hatred - that I, and certain other Westerners, feel is inspired by actual physical violence on the part of mortal enemies of ours.
This is in no way comparable to, say, the bigotry of Nazi Germany, who, for instance, demonized and slaughtered Jews - a people who were not physically harming Germans.

It is appropriate to respond with anger to a real credible threat to our lives, and to advocate and practice retaliatory force against those who initiate it.

So, as yourself, should I (We) really cool it? Or should we instead be enthusiastically supporting anything which will contribute to the destruction of these Islamic militant creeps?

Bud - 3/1/2006

Ok, Mark - cool it a bit, please!

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

Flush the Koran down the toilet, make the bastards eat pork, to hell with Allah and fuck Mohammed, and BOMB Mecca to smithereens.

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

Destroy all Muslim countries, NOW!

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

We make our troops step gingerly
around the "holy" sites
of that "peaceful" faith of Islam,
whose apostles picked this fight.

Their religion's brought them nothing
but poverty and pain,
and a stinking life in a stinking land
in Allah's stinking name.

They gnash their yellowed teeth
and butcher, kill and maim.
They yell "God is Great!" and decapitate
And knock marvels down with planes.

We unleashed the dogs of war,
but kept their muzzles tight.
It's time we took those muzzles off
so our dogs of war can bite.

They say they want to sacrifice.
They say they want Jihad.
It's time we granted them their wish
and sent them to their god.

So bomb them on their "holy" days.
Bomb them every night.
Bomb every mosque in terror lands,
Bomb "holy" Mecca twice.

As they pray and jabber fervently,
heads low and bottoms high -
As those fools pray five times a day,
five times let our missiles fly.

Send gunships in to light 'em up
at every call to prayer
What better time to strike our foes
than when their butts are in the air?

And give Arafat a worm's eye view
Of a rumbling Israeli tank
While Al-Jazeera broadcasts live
And we tell Israel "Thanks!"

And what of so-called "innocents,"
those sheep in Muslim lands?
The despots that they tolerate,
the blood is on THEIR hands.

So bomb them all through Ramadan
Flatten all their shrines
Let the "Arab Street" meet full defeat
At the hands of men with minds.

S Misra - 3/1/2006

Hasan, you live in a fantasy world. Apparently there are no history books or newspapers where you live, or you refuse to read. Allah is not akhbar, he is a snackbar. At his table are a variety of violences one can choose to do upon others, bombs, knives, guns, landmines, fatwas or what the rest of us call murder contracts like what the Mafia puts out. The only setback to the Allah Snackbar is the burp with which a martyr dies, only to feel the relief of 72 hymens. Meanwhile, back on the farm, Sunni and Shiite are butchering each other. Your post is February 28, so you could not have missed the bombing of a historic Mosque (well, there is karma, those who blow up other's temples and religious places get theirs), the subsequent destruction of dozens of Sunni Mosques, the usual back and forth death-for-death gun-for-bomb killings in Pakistan and Afghanistan, two of the biggest opium producers on the planet, who are more and more sampling their own product, and ethnic-cleansing. Am I missing something here? You Muslims hate each other with a passion. If Islam can be contained, it will self destruct, or you will have to play pretzel with the Koran, trying to figure out how you can get rid of the violent parts. Sorry, in for a penny, in for the pound. Your fatuous romantic dribble aside, your innocents die while you play the flute of Islamic unity.

S Misra - 3/1/2006

Thank you Mark. I also enjoy reading your posts. Once in a great while, one runs into rational thinking. Violence absolutely does away with reason. Gandhi does show how to stop the tyrant nonviolently, because the assumption is that the people who do wrong things, if they do them personally, such as kill or maim, suffer psychologically from doing evil. However, there are times when you face an enemy that learns, at least for some time, that violence pays, that is sociopathic or psychopathic, that psychologically supports and counsels its thugs, just as Himmler gave pep talks to Nazi death camp guards of the SS. In those cases, it is difficult to be nonviolent. But I do think by and large that nonviolence works, especially early on. If Gypsies, Jews, and others had resisted by refusing to go quietly, as they often did, then the Germans would have had to face their dirty deeds, which they tried hard to hide, and the world would have seen it, just as it saw how the English beat to death Indians during Gandhi's Salt March, or how the dogs were set upon blacks in the South. But what do you do with people who calmly walk into a wedding, as a husband and wife team did in Lebanon, and blow up innocent people? What do you do with murderers who fly planes full of men and women, who are adults, but children too, and murder them all after seeing their faces? The only solution is reason, not toleration. Toleration allows for coexistence with irrationality, with idiots who believe in beating women whose ankles show while thinking nothing of showing their faces and bodies to women, as if women's urges have no meaning. Violence is the ultimate assault upon the individual, and the individual must be protected from the group at all times because the One may be right and the Many may be wrong, as with Socrates or Jesus. Besides nonviolence, one must believe in forgiveness and loving one's enemy. It is not enough to love friends, which even murderers do. Heydrich, the man who engineered the final solution for all sorts of people, including and not limited to Jews, Gypsies,and others, regularly went home, a loving man to his family. Only three people have talked about these indespensable virtues, which are civic, personal, professional, and cardinal virtues, Buddha, Jesus, and Gandhi. No violent religion can be right, such "prophets" are useless, may they suffer the lack of peace they bring upon others.

You are right, Mark, individual rights, the right to free speech without fear, to freedom of conscience and faith (which do not exist in Muslim nations and which they would like to force upon others), are both essential, our Bill of Inalienable Rights! I should not have to depend on the mercy of anyone, and I say that because lately Muslims are talking about how merciful Mohammed was with the woman who threw trash in his path. To depend on someone else's mercy is to be under their foot, never free. On this we are on the same page.

S Misra - 3/1/2006

There is no appeasing fascists. They always bully more, kill more, torture more if you give them a chance. Shame on the former prime minister if he criticized the publishing of the cartoons. When Moslem fanatics, that is, normal everyday Muslims, destroyed the Buddha statues in Afghanistan, not one Buddhist murdered a Moslem, burnt Moslem embassies, or homicide bombed anyone. Muslims are different because the Koran allows them to be. Just a few days ago, Muslim Sunni blew up a Muslim Shiite mosque over a thousand years old. Then Shiites destroyed many dozens of Sunni mosques. Islam does not believe what Christ said, that one should forgive, that repentance and redemption may require time, but in the mean time, one should love even one's enemy. Islam believes in vengeance. No apology will satisfy Islam, it never has and it never will. Never apologize! Actually, it only encourages Muslims to attack more. They see apologies as a sign of their righteousness and then press on further with more violence. If cartoons hurt Muslim feelings, too bad. Live with a free press. Interestingly, Mussalmans will never flood the streets protesting the murder of fellow Muslims, the blowing up of mosques, because it is in a language they understand and respect, the language of the Koran.

S Misra - 3/1/2006

Islam, Hasan, is not a race. There is a perverse racism in your thinking it is. Muslims range from black to white and every shade inbetween. Just goes to show all races of people can be misled. However, Muslim racism is well documented. In Saudi Arabia, the oppressed foreign workers brought in to do Saudi dirty work are treated as less than Muslim, well, actually, often less than human. Pakistan in large part oppressed Bengalis because they were smaller and darker. In many Muslim countries, if not all, the lighter the skin, the better it is. So, Hasan, skip the silly racism nonsense. You Muslims take second place to no one in your racism.

Scandinavian - 3/1/2006

"After having overcome fascism, Nazism, and Stalinism, the world now faces a new totalitarian global threat: Islamism.
We, writers, journalists, intellectuals, call for resistance to religious totalitarianism and for the promotion of freedom, equal opportunity and secular values for all.

The recent events, which occurred after the publication of drawings of Muhammed in European newspapers, have revealed the necessity of the struggle for these universal values. This struggle will not be won by arms, but in the ideological field. It is not a clash of civilisations nor an antagonism of West and East that we are witnessing, but a global struggle that confronts democrats and theocrats.

Like all totalitarianisms, Islamism is nurtured by fears and frustrations. The hate preachers bet on these feelings in order to form battalions destined to impose a liberticidal and unegalitarian world. But we clearly and firmly state: nothing, not even despair, justifies the choice of obscurantism, totalitarianism and hatred. Islamism is a reactionary ideology which kills equality, freedom and secularism wherever it is present. Its success can only lead to a world of domination: man's domination of woman, the Islamists' domination of all the others. To counter this, we must assure universal rights to oppressed or discriminated people.

We reject « cultural relativism », which consists in accepting that men and women of Muslim culture should be deprived of the right to equality, freedom and secular values in the name of respect for cultures and traditions. We refuse to renounce our critical spirit out of fear of being accused of "Islamophobia", an unfortunate concept which confuses criticism of Islam as a religion with stigmatisation of its believers.

We plead for the universality of freedom of expression, so that a critical spirit may be exercised on all continents, against all abuses and all dogmas.

We appeal to democrats and free spirits of all countries that our century should be one of Enlightenment, not of obscurantism."

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Bud - 3/1/2006

I say; "cut the funding immidiately"!
Let them eat their anger, and blow up their children - crazy animals...

Brian - 3/1/2006

"Behead all who say islam i violent"

From a banner in an anti-cartoon burn-and-destruct-fiest, somewhere in the dark middle East.

Slater - 3/1/2006

>> "Why can’t we see that those who are on the streets protesting against their Prophet being depicted as a terrorist are in reality distancing themselves from terrorism?"

Because they aren't.
You can't distance yourself from violence by being violent.

The rest of this article is a load of crap. It's biased to the extreme and even untruthful.

Slater - 3/1/2006

Just saw this in a Danish newspaper today:

"63 percent of Palestinians believe riots and violent attacks are a reasonable response to the drawings of prophet Muhammed, brought in Jyllands-Posten in september"

I don't know what to say.

aakhthoo - 3/1/2006

AAAKHHH THOOOOOOOOOO.........

hasan - 3/1/2006

Why can’t we see that those who are on the streets protesting against their Prophet being depicted as a terrorist are in reality distancing themselves from terrorism?

By Mahmood Mamdani

I empathise with those baffled by the rapidly spiralling controversy around the series of cartoons depicting Prophet Muhammad. The cartoons were first published in the Danish paper, Jyllands-Posten, nearly five months ago, in September. The initial protest was limited to Denmark’s Muslim minority but was brushed off by both government and civil society. This is when some of the ultra-conservative Danish imams took up the matter and set off for Saudi Arabia and Egypt with a dossier containing the inflammatory cartoons. Last week came the diplomatic explosion: Saudi Arabia recalled its ambassador in Denmark and Libya shut its embassy. Then followed the boycott of Danish goods, demonstrations, strikes, flag burning, and now fires set to embassies in Damascus and Beirut.

All this before the disclosure that a Danish illustrator had in April 2003 submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten, only to receive an e-mail from the paper’s Sunday editor: “I don’t think Jyllands-Posten’s readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them.”

One wonders about the intensity of the protests. Especially since 9/11, Prophet Muhammad has been vilified in print by several public figures, from Reverend Franklin Graham — son of Billy Graham and spiritual advisor to US President George W. Bush — who has publicly called Islam “an evil and wicked religion” to Reverend Jerry Vines, past president of the Southern Baptist Convention, who called Prophet Muhammad “a demon-possessed paedophile” during a keynote address. But none evoked the tide of public protest as have the cartoons.

When the paper at the centre of the controversy apologised because the cartoons had “indisputably offended many Muslims”, the Right-wing European press, outraged by this “caving in”, took up the cause. Led by France Soir in Paris and Die Welt in Berlin, they began to reprint the cartoons, sometimes on the front page with the original frame blown up. Others, including the Left-leaning Der Tagesspiegel in Germany, joined. “It’s the core of our culture,” Die Welt’s editor-in-chief told The Guardian, “that the most sacred things can be subjected to criticism, laughter and satire.”

Everyone agrees that the cartoons are offensive, and not particularly because they portray the Prophet in human form. (After all, you can see such depictions in both Ottoman Turkish and Persian miniatures, as well as in contemporary Iran.) At the heart of the offence is their message. One cartoon depicts the Prophet wearing a turban which turns out to be a bomb with a lit fuse. Another has him tell a queue of ragged suicide bombers: “Stop, stop, we’ve run out of virgins.” The no-frills genre of the cartoon conveys the message starkly, without qualification: this is a terrorist and sexist religion.

Why do we not draw the conclusion that those who protest against their Prophet being depicted as a terrorist are in reality distancing themselves from terrorism, in fact, demonstrating against it? I suppose because we realise that there is more to the demonstrations than just a vote for or against terrorism. That something more depends on the context of the demonstrations.

I wish to draw attention to two different contexts: Muslim-majority countries and Europe. In both cases, the protests have an overwhelming local significance.

The demonstrations in Muslim-majority countries include a variety of contradictory forces. For one, in this period ushered in by Hamas’ astonishing electoral victory, pro-American governments are anxious about Islamist mobilisation and eager to pre-empt it. Rather than curb, they would wish to claim ownership of the demonstrations. At the same time, those shut out of public life, extremist or not, realise they have found an issue on which they can call their governments to account without fear of facing direct repression; so they press home their point that the War on Terror their governments have joined unreservedly is at its core a war against Islam and Muslims. Here, then, is an issue which allows local civil society an opportunity to exercise freedom of speech to confront their own governments, alongside those of Europe.

In Europe, too, there is a local and an equally complex dimension to the protests. The official American-British dissent from the governmental chorus in Europe neatly echoes the divide on the question of Turkey’s admission into Europe. One is struck about how quickly the issue of free speech has folded into that of civilisation versus darkness. The shift has enormous significance for the European debate.

If the issue is one of free speech, there is no necessary reason why Christian Europe should be seen to be a principled defender of free speech, and Muslim Europe in disagreement in principle. But if the issue is recast as one of enlightenment versus barbarism by Europeans, then surely there is hardly a Muslim who would be in doubt as to which side of the contest he or she is supposed to represent. For those looking for an apt analogy to understand the significance of the cartoon controversy, it would not be an insensitive satirising of Jesus that devout Christians would find blasphemous, a religious transgression, but an anti-Semitic hate cartoon that would alarm all decent people, secular or religious.

The group best placed to sense the gravity of this moment is that of European Muslims. They must be acutely aware that the depiction of Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist goes beyond a general demonisation of Muslims to a direct assault on Muslims in Europe.

M.T. - 3/1/2006

The prices range from 46 to 88 dollars for boxes with a little bit of everything, from this gourmet-island.
Enjoy!

M.T. - 3/1/2006

Between the coast of Sweden, Germany and Poland, lies the small exotic island of "Bornholm".

Bornholm is known to many europeans, and all danes, as a perfect summerholliday-spot; because of its sandy beaches, incredible nature and historic sites. It is also known as a producer of many gourmet-goods, and I promise you, the quality of these products are very high and very tasty!
I used to live there, before moving to the big city - but I always try to get hold of some of that local stuff.

I've found a site, where they'll pack a little bit of everything, from this sunny spot in the Baltic Sea - I suggest you try it, and if you're pleased: take your next holliday there: you wont regret!

The site is in danish:

http://bornholmer-pakken.dk

But you can also mail them, and ask for one of the packets (I think they have 5 different):

pakken@bornholmer-pakken.dk

Especially, when you've tasted the mustard (secret recipe), you won't have anything else - and thats a promise!
If you want further information about this island - leave a mail and a message, and I will be glad to help!

European - 3/1/2006

Its amazing to see, how the cartoon in general, has been revitalized by the muslim worlds backwards response to humor - I think they are all over, mocking every arab soft spot - and its hilarious!
If they wanted to fence free speech and kill it, their plan has surely backfired: Every schoolkid now know the double standards of the muslim world, with their long history of anti-semitic cartoons, much worse than the Muhammad-cartoons!
The PR of islam, has been catastrophic, and has just woken up europe, to face the fascism of islamism - this is a war we have to win!

We must ensure to have every democraticminded muslim, up there fighting as well, so that islam has a future among other religions; not above, neither under! The respect towards islam will surely resurface, when the muslim world denounces and fights islamism, and when the medieval way of preaching islam has come to an end: NO MORE sharia, NO MORE kalifat-fascism!

It is time for enlightenment, free humans and humor - check it out:

http://cagle.msnbc.com/news/BushArabs/

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 3/1/2006

"Freedom of speech has its limits" said Osman Umarji the former president of the Muslim Student Union at the University of California, Irvine.

He wants to ban the display of the cartoons on a U.S. university campus... this is outrageous!!!

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/breaking_news/13984489.htm

I strongly doubt that the “Muslim Student Union at the University of California, Irvine” protested after 9/11! As long as it does not touch Muslims, it’s alright… Infidels are fair game! What’s really sad is that he came to the infidels country to get top notch education, but will not stand for the freedom of the infidels to have an open and balanced debate (since Muslims were invited) about the cartoons. I am not very surprised after all.

I found this article written by him:
http://www.newu.uci.edu/plain_article.php?id=4423

And he supports the right of Muslim student to wear green stoles normally associated with Hamas, a terrorist organization:
http://www.cairnet.net/default.asp?Page=articleView&;id=33693&theType=NB

I lived in the Muslim World for many many years, and I don’t recall a single instance of people wearing these green stoles EVER.

Mark Linham - 3/1/2006

READ IT, Europeans (and others), and take it to heart(!):

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4028

Mark Linham - 2/28/2006

If you're really interested in condemning hatred, you would condemn the physically and criminally violent actions baing committed by some Muslims, not the reasonable and truthful statements made by others about militant Islam.

So don't give us this crap. You're not against hatred.

Give it up.

Gary - 2/28/2006

Quote: "Well, their women are nice, as soon as they dare to lose their weil!"

I totaly agree. Many ME ladies are very beautiful. Perhaps someone should set up a dating/marriage web site as has been done for Russian women.

M.T. - 2/28/2006

Hasan - why do you say "sorry danes", as if the danes had published the cartoons?
Don't you know that it was an independent, private newpspaper that printed the cartoons?
But its probalbly all the same to you... its like saying that all muslims are terrorists, even though its only a small number of muslims, that think blowing up innocent people is ok with the Qu'ran!

Man, its stupid, and you know - it has opened the eyes of the west, to how crazy all this islamism has gotten...
You stood together for some weeks, burning the embassies of a people who never did you anything, you boycotted the companies that never did you anything - man, if you're proud, I'll say you lack some basic human values!

I'm sorry for you, and the people like you, who cannot separate facts from fiction - its called brainwash, in our part of the world!

Slater - 2/28/2006

The creator of the mess is the Muslim world. Sorry Hasan.
And united? Muslims are killing Muslims over this. You call that united?

hasan - 2/28/2006

One positive that has come out in the whole ordeal of cartoons is that muslims are again united. The sleeping muslim nation may finally awake and the OIC (organization of islamic countries) will play for the very first time some role to solve a muslim issue.

The creator of this mess forgot to acknowledge the fact that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is loved and respected by Shia and Sunni alike. I can't think of any other..sorry danes!

hasan - 2/28/2006

I will and have not asked anyone to boycott. I dont think this is the appropriate forum to say such things.

I'd rather go to the EU to discuss and debate this issue. If anyone is boycotting then its his right and his opinion.

I don't know if anyone else is getting such emails. Don't get all rowdy and raucous. I just felt like sharing this email.

Scandinavian - 2/28/2006

Well, their women are nice, as soon as they dare to lose their weil!
I had a girlfriend from ME, a bit problematic, but nice... I think western guys should liberate their arab sisters this way - they surely haven't deserved all these angry young men, running around torching everything because of a giant minoritycomplex! And I think a lot of them is so feed up with it as well: they just want to live a modern life, without sharia, the weil and all the other patriarch ways of submission arab men are using!

Bud - 2/28/2006

Lets get this alternative-power-production roling (as Bush stated) - then the arab world will have nothing but the social service from the west!

By the way - which arab products should be avoided, other than that terrorism-supporting oil?

Thanks - 2/27/2006

Thanks Hasan, now we know what to look for when we want to support Denmanrk, Netherlands, Norway and Israel :o).

Slater - 2/27/2006

What's your barcode number, Hasan?
I'd sure like to boycott you.

hasan - 2/27/2006

i have been receiving these emails :

While you buy something please do look at the bar codes
here are the barcodes which might interest us all

CHECK THE FIRST THREE DIGITS FROM LEFT

570-579 denmanrk (i.e. 570, 571,.........,579)

870 - 879 Netherlands (i.e. 870,871,.......,879)

700-709 norway

729 for israel

what can i say? ummmmmmmmmm.....ur choice...

A Dane - 2/27/2006

Hasan - you're a hatefull little looser, and you are certainly not making it easier for islam, displaying all that unfounded hatred that you do!

I will ignore your post from now on, and I think everybody else should do the same!

Slater - 2/27/2006

Once again a lie.

The Queen said "vi må vise modspil mod Islam", which is pretty much impossible to translate into English, but means something like "we must not surrender to Islam".
Unfortunately a translator at an English newspaper got it wrong, because the Danish word "modspil" is close to "modstand", which means opposition.

This wrongful translation was however NOT in the Arab translated version.

Once again, get your facts straight. You just make yourself look more and more idiotic every day.

hasan - 2/27/2006

Danaish hatred towards islam and muslims is deep rooted within the danish system. The height of racism and bigotry comes when your own queen expresses hatred and when this hatred raised a few eyebrows danes come out altering her previous statement.

In April last year the queen of Denmark was quoted by the Telegraph newspaper as saying that we (Denmark) “should show our opposition to Islam”.

She said: “We are being challenged by Islam these years — globally as well as locally. It is a challenge we have to take seriously. We have let this issue float about for too long because we are tolerant and lazy.

“We have to show our opposition to Islam and we have to, at times, run the risk of having unflattering labels placed on us because there are some things for which we should display no tolerance.”

Gary - 2/27/2006

Quote: "Listen - its not the prophet, its his "followers" in the islamist deathcult thats the problem!"

Actually, it's both the prophet and many of the followers. A study of the Koran shows the prophet teaching violence and merciless dealings with those who oppose Islam.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/26/2006

Uber-Rich?

4.8% unemployment, the highest home ownership rate in history, and lowest crime rates in history are not really bad quality of life.

Our two biggest domestic problems in the U.S. are the deficit (being worked on), and the out-of-this-world health care costs.

The semi-secular regime in Iraq was very dangerous as you know, so even though it could possibly be replaced by an Islamist one, at least that is what people want, or think they do. I truly believe that the Iraqis will not accept a Saudi-style Islamist regime.

This is just similar to what happened in Israel/Palestine. The people voted for Hamas not because they want an Islamic party, but because they were fed up with the secular Fatah party's corruption. Hamas will be forced to follow a similar path to peace as Fatah did, and they will have to drop violence if they wish to accomplish anything. When they do that, they will lose a lot of respect by those who supported them because of their hard-line ideology.

Mark Linham - 2/26/2006

Amen.

Mark Linham - 2/26/2006

S Misra,

You seem to have a keen awareness of much of what is wrong with various religions. And so do I. What do we do?

Just some of my own thoughts about some points you touch on:

It is ALWAYS a key indicator of dishonesty, if one is consistently defensive (especially if violently so) whenever criticised.

"Just War" theory is something I have, as yet, only a cursory familiarity with. The only - and I mean the *only* - justification for war would be physical self-defense. War for any reason other than this is murder.
But self-defense is absolutely a moral imperative - one simply won't live if (s)he doesn't do this.

I am am American liberal (as opposed to conservatism, which largely has failed, to put it kindly).

The values of anything called "liberalism", anywhere, should - and indeed MUST - have such a meaning, that the promotion of INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM is included in the concept. Why? ..Do I hear some of you asking?
Because - for one thing - how else are we all, as individuals, to have any genuine interest at all in justice - which is, in turn, the key to any and all of our objective values?

Make no mistake about it, logic is on our side. So: Chin up! Be as optimistic as you can be, fellow Westerners and others who yearn to live and breathe free.
We may manage to save the world, and our asses, yet!

S Misra, I've really enjoyed reading your posts - even though I am not, as far as I can tell, a religious person. I think that, in at least some ways, you and I are on the same page.

S Misra - 2/26/2006

The problem is not that Mohammed showed concern in this situation or mercy in that situation or amnesty in yet another. All those actions are because he felt like it. His life and his words, the Koran, excuse violence. I should not have to depend on someone else's mercy. Freedoms such as of worship and speech and conscience are my birthright.

I've heart the woman throwing the trash story often recently, because no Muslim wants to quote the Koran's violent passages, of which there are many. Interestingly, it is exactly like a story in the Ramayan, where a certain forest man despised the shrine of Shiva, and daily came out to kick it. Even the priests would not come during bad weather, but this forest man never failed daily to show his contempt for Shiva. Finally, Shiva, impressed that this forest man had such faith that there was a Shiva that he took the time to kick his shrine, appeared and blessed him with the whole forest. Such stories are everywhere but they do not give to the object of mercy a recognized right or set of rights, the least of these being the freedom to express one's self with no fear of being oppressed, suppressed, tortured, or killed. Mohammed is violent and just as Hinduism cannot escape its violent texts, you cannot escape the violence in the Koran. Now you must deal with it. There are no more Baal worshippers who sacrifice children and infants to a burning hot statue; likewise, no human being should be sacrificed to the alter of any religion as an infidel, nonbeliever, or outcaste.

Normal Human - 2/26/2006

Absolutely correct!

It is good not to feel alone.

Normal Human - 2/26/2006

I find it amusing that someone with a name like "true Gansta" will make any type of coments bu here we go:

Islam since its inception has been a religion propagated by means of hate, war and death. Mohammed was false pedophilic bastard. That is not an insult, simple the truth. Hopefully, we can further insult these pigs into a real war that will allows to use nuclear weapons in order to show them that our God is God as the Pharoh stated when he could not beat Moses.

And the most enjoyable part of a massive war, is to finally declare a state of siege in the USA, Latin America and Europe and round up useless scum like you in order to have cannon fodder. Since "you all" like to carry guns and kill each other we need to give you tough guys an opportunity to see a battle field.

Atesist - 2/26/2006

Listen - its not the prophet, its his "followers" in the islamist deathcult thats the problem!

You know, you can believe all you want - we live in a free society - but religion IS a personal matter, and shouldn't be mixed up in politics... if it does, then this perversion WILL be fought to the end!
So; stop the fascist world dominion ideas, and stop the misuse of the prophet Muhammad. That is; if you want to live in peace with the rest of the world, not blowing everything to pieces - which surely wasn't what Muhammad thought of way back yonder!?

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/26/2006

This article discusses the cartoon issue. Please read it, and comment on it. It is by an Arabic writer and is written in Arabic. Let's hear from the Muslim Arabic speakers/readers on this excellent article:

http://www.mofakren.com/modules.php?name=News&;file=article&sid=31

Gary - 2/26/2006

Quote: "Muslim paranoia is SO weird!"

Yes, tis true, but he is only following the path of his maniac prophet.

Mark Linham - 2/25/2006

Teletubbies are kewl. I'm still a BABY inside... or maybe I'm just drunk.. I dunno.

Smile - 2/25/2006

Hasan
Personally I do not hate muslims , but I hate the brutalitet practising among many muslims. If prophet Muhammed was a peaceful man, and if his life was an good example for non-violent conduct, then it is not his responsibility for violence which muslims conduct today.
I had made a reseach about Quran and Muhammed life, and I found out that Muhammed was brutal militant leader in the periode 622-632. In this periode Muhammed created a greatest militant force to unify alle tribes and cities in Arabian to become a muslims Arabian without any other religions.
Before 622 Muhammed lived in MEDINA, here Muhammed created the first muslims congregation with the purpose to bringe the message of CURAN to other people. At that time there were many different relions and cultur in different cities and tribes in Arabian, and these people did not want to listen to Muhammed, then he used his militant power to force these people to convert to Muslims.
I agree with you that CURAN has a lot of peaceful message, but that also has some violent message.
Muhammed by Using his militant power, to force other people to vonvert to muslims, was a bad axample to imitated, and many people was killed by violent muslims then they have right to say that muhammed was responsible for the aggression of violent muslims today.
You can not avoid the insult your religion and its leader from other people by the form of cartoon, comments from people, whom stand for many innocent people being killed by your fellower.
HITLER was responsible for worldwarII, therefor Press and people today still condemn him as a brutal dictator, whom was responsible for many innocent people being killed under worldwar II, and German people do not stand for him today.
If you do not want to take this responsibilitet, then you have to condemn that kind of violence.
Live of people is holy, it is more important than to be felt insulted

Love Them - 2/25/2006

Im by his side!!! Mess with them and all of the children´s network characters will punish you.

Mark Linham - 2/25/2006

Here's another fellow who says what needs to be said, well:

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4575

Mark Linham - 2/25/2006

None of what you've said here bears any resemblence (or relevance) to the behavior of some Muslims responding to the Danish cartoons. They are hardly following (what you claim is) the "prophet's" example and behaving as follows:

"The prophet never responded in kind to the woman’s abuse. Instead, when she one day failed to attack him, he went to her home to inquire about her condition."

No the actual controversy is the free exercise of one's rational faculty, and the absolutism of freedom of speech - with all the fruits of civilization that go only with those, versus people who intend to use force to suppress that free flow of information that is so vital to life.

Further, your claims of the virtue of forgiveness for "abuse", is disingenuous, due to that matter not being applicable, in the first place, to the cartoon controversy.
It is not "abuse" of anyone to tell the *truth*, literally, or symbolically (as in the case of the drawings).

hasan - 2/25/2006

This is Something i have been asking myself and telling other muslims...suddenly i found this amazing article by a muslim brother Ibrahim Hooper from USA.

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“You do not do evil to those who do evil to you, but you deal with them with forgiveness and kindness.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari)

That description of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad is a summary of how he reacted to personal attacks and abuse.

Islamic traditions include a number of instances of the prophet having the opportunity to strike back at those who attacked him, but refraining from doing so.

These traditions are particularly important as we witness outrage in the Islamic world over cartoons, initially published in a Danish newspaper, that were viewed as intentional attacks on the prophet.

Peaceful and not-so-peaceful protests have occurred from Gaza to Indonesia. Boycotts have targeted companies based in Denmark and in other nations that reprinted the offensive caricatures.

We all, Muslims and people of other faiths, seem to be locked into a downward spiral of mutual mistrust and hostility based on self-perpetuating stereotypes.

As Muslims, we need to take a step back and ask ourselves, “What would the Prophet Muhammad do?”

Muslims are taught the tradition of the woman who would regularly throw trash on the prophet as he walked down a particular path. The prophet never responded in kind to the woman’s abuse. Instead, when she one day failed to attack him, he went to her home to inquire about her condition.

In another tradition, the prophet was offered the opportunity to have God punish the people of a town near Mecca who refused the message of Islam and attacked him with stones. Again, the prophet did not choose to respond in kind to the abuse.

A companion of the prophet noted his forgiving disposition. He said: “I served the prophet for ten years, and he never said ‘uf’ (a word indicating impatience) to me and never blamed me by saying, ‘Why did you do so or why didn't you do so?’” (Sahih Al-Bukhari)

Even when the prophet was in a position of power, he chose the path of kindness and reconciliation.

When he returned to Mecca after years of exile and personal attacks, he did not take revenge on the people of the city, but instead offered a general amnesty.

In the Quran, Islam’s revealed text, God states: “When (the righteous) hear vain talk, they withdraw from it saying: ‘Our deeds are for us and yours for you; peace be on to you. We do not desire the way of the ignorant’. . .O Prophet (Muhammad), you cannot give guidance to whom you wish, it is God Who gives guidance to whom He pleases, and He is quite aware of those who are guided.” (28:55-56)

The Quran also says: “Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching, and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knows best who have strayed from His Path and who receive guidance.” (16:125)

Another verse tells the prophet to “show forgiveness, speak for justice and avoid the ignorant.” (7:199)

These are the examples that Muslims should follow as they express justifiable concern at the publication of the cartoons.

This unfortunate episode can be used as a learning opportunity for people of all faiths who sincerely wish to know more about Islam and Muslims. It can also be viewed as a “teaching moment” for Muslims who want to exemplify the prophet’s teachings through the example of their good character and dignified behavior in the face of provocation and abuse.

As the Holy Quran states: “It may well be that God will bring about love (and friendship) between you and those with whom you are now at odds.” (60:7)

danishmuslim - 2/25/2006

Through the centuries, orientalists have advance numerous accusations and far-fetched theories to discredit Islam and its last Prophet, Muhammad (peace be upon him). Praise be to Allah alone, all such accusations have been successfully refuted by the Muslims Ummah. Currently, one of the ‘reinvented’ accusations against the noble character of the Prophet is about his marriage to young Aisha Siddiqa ®.
Let’s probe some of the orientalists’ charges in detail in the light of modern research, historic evidence and the Islamic sources of the Quran and the Sunnah to separate truth from falsehood, and display to the world that Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is indeed an exemplary for all of mankind.

Two main theories are often advance by orientalists to attack the pure character of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) on his marriage to Aisha ® at her young age.

A. He was a Pedophile.
B. He was involved in child abuse.

Let’s analyze each theory to dig out the truth, through the Guidance of Allah (SWT).
A. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married Aisha ® because he was a pedophile?
Definition of a Pedophile:

"Pedophile: also spelled PEDOPHILIA, psychosexual disorder in which an adult's arousal and sexual gratification occur primarily through sexual contact with prepubescent children. The typical pedophile is unable to find satisfaction in an adult sexual relationship and may have low self-esteem, seeing sexual activity with a child as less threatening than that with an adult." Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998
"pe.do.phil.ia n [NL] (1906): sexual perversion in which children are the preferred sexual object -- pe.do.phil.i.ac or pe.do.phil.ic adj." Merriam Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary

The diagnostic criteria for pedophilia according to American Psychiatric Association:

Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children.
The person has acted on these urges, or is markedly distressed by them.
The person is at least 16 years old and at least 5 years older than the child or children in A.
DSM-III-R Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, ed 3, revised, copyright American Psychiatric Association.
"In addition to their pedophilia, a significant number of pedophiles are concomitantly or have previously been involved in exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape". (Voyeurism’s the recurrent preoccupation with fantasized or acts that involve seeking out or observing people who are naked, or are engaged in grooming or in sexual activity". Synopsis of psychiatry, Harold I.Kaplan et al., 5th ed., pg360, Publishers: Williams and Wilkens, 1988
Does the Prophet fit the above criteria of a pedophile?

With the above criteria of a pedophile in mind, lets analyze the lifestyle of the prophet and his marriages.

Name of Bride Bride’s age at marriage Comments
Khadija bint khawilad 40 Twice widowed before
Sauda Bint Zama 50 Widow
Aisha bint Abu Bakr 9 Started living with the prophet at the age of 9.
Hafsa Bint Umar bin Khattab 22 Widow
Zainab bint Khuzaima 30
Umm-I-Salma bint Abu Umayia 26 Widow
Zainab Bint Jahash 38 Widow
Juwaeria Bint Harith 20 Widow
Umm-I-Habiba bint Abu Sufyan 36 Widow
Marya Qibtiya bint shamun 17 Virgin, Egyptian
Safia bint Hayi bin Akhtab 17 Widow
Raihana bint umru bin hanafa Not available
Maimuna bint harith 36 Widow

Source: The Prophet of Islam, the Ideal Husband, by Syed Abu Zafar Zain, Kazi Publications, Lahore, Ist Ed., pg. 10-12

Statistics from the above table:
Percentage of his wives who were 17years and older = 91 %

Percentage of his wives who were widows = 75%

Comment: The statistics show that the prophet’s marriage to Aisha at her young age was an exception and not a norm of his other marriages. Furthermore ‘a pedophile’s main mode of sexual satisfaction is with prepubescent girls’, which is contradictory to the 91% of prophet’s marriage to women 17 years and over. An unbiased examination of Prophet’s life and his marriages to his wives blatantly rejects the notion of his lifestyle fitting that of a pedophile. All his brides were aged widows (except Aisha and Marium).
Moreover, according to the criteria in the references cited above in ‘Synopsis of Psychiatry’, a vast majority of pedophiles possess a history of exhibitionism, voyeurism, or rape. Again, there is no single reference from either religious or secular sources that the noble Prophet ever indulged in such sadistic behavior (God forbid). This truth is observed and accepted by both Muslims and unbiased non-Muslims scholars.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher." – Annie Besant, THE LIFE AND TEACHINGS OF MUHAMMAD, Madras, 1932, p. 4.

B. Others claim that the noble Prophet (peace be upon him) indulged in child-abuse when he married Aisha at her young age.

Let scrutinize this allegation…

Definition of Child Abuse:

Child Abuse, also called CRUELTY TO CHILDREN, the willful and unjustifiable infliction of pain and suffering on children. The term can denote the use of inordinate physical violence; unjustifiable verbal abuse; the failure to furnish proper shelter, nourishment, medical treatment, or emotional support; incest; other cases of sexual molestation or rape; and the making of child pornography. Frequently described by the medical profession as the "battered-child syndrome," abusive treatment of children is almost universally proscribed by criminal statutes. Child abuse can have serious future consequences for the victims involved. Delays in physical growth, impaired language and cognitive abilities, and problems in personality development, learning, and behavior are common following instances of child abuse or neglect.Encyclopedia Britannica, 1998

Comment: None of the criteria of child-abuse applies to the noble life of the Prophet (pbuh). There is no single incident of any infliction of pain and suffering by the prophet on Aisha or any other human being for that matter. Neither any instance of verbal or sexual abuse can be concluded from the relationship of the prophet with Aisha ® or any of his wives.

An abused child can have serious future consequences…delayed physical growth, impaired language..learning and behavior…etc (above definition). As one examines the chaste life of Aisha ®, her personality, physical, mental and spiritual development are all contrary to that of an abused child. In fact through the Prophet’s marriage and his guidance to Aisha, history testifies that she should be labeled not as an abused child but as a ‘blessed child’.

After analyzing and refuting the accusations against the noble character of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), the only viable alternative left with us is:
C. The Prophet married Aisha for the benefit of Islam and Humanity.

Lets analyze…

The Prophet married Aisha primarily for three reasons:
To reinforce the friendly relations already existing with Abu Bakr (his closest companion).
To educate and train Aisha so she may serve the purposes of Islam.
To teach her to utilize her capabilities for the sake of Islam.
Her Marriage with the prophet was a Wahi (Divine Revelation). She, herself relates from the Prophet, ‘He said, "I saw you in dreams three times. The angel brought you to me and you were clad in white silk. He (the angel) said that it was your consort and he (angel) showed me by opening your face. You are just like that…" Sahih Muslim, Vol.2, p.285.

Aisha ® was born after her parents had embraced Islam. Therefore, she was free from the defilement of polytheism right from her birth.

In her youth, already known for her striking beauty and her formidable memory, she came under the loving care and attention of the Prophet himself. As his wife and close companion she acquired from him knowledge and insight such as no woman has ever acquired.

Aishah lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Quran and the Sunnah of His Prophet. Aishah ® was one of the three wives (the other two being Hafsa ® and Umm Salamah ®) who memorized the Revelation. Like Hafsa ®, she had her own script of the Quran written after the Prophet had died.

So far as the Hadith or sayings of the Prophet is concerned, Aishah ® is one of four persons (the others being Abu Hurrah, Abdullah ibn Umar, and Ana ibn Malik) who transmitted more than two thousand sayings. From her, 2210 Hadith have come, out of which 174 Hadith are commonly agreed upon by both Bukhari and Muslim. Many of her transmissions pertain to some of the most intimate aspects of personal behavior which only someone in Aishah’s position could have learnt. What is most important is that her knowledge of Hadith was passed on in written form by at least three persons including her nephew Urwah who became one of the greatest scholars among the generation after the Companions. It is the claim of the Scholars of Islam that without her, half of the Ilm-I-Hadith [knowledge, understanding of the Hadith (and Islam)] would have perished.

Many of the learned companions of the Prophet and their followers benefited from Aishah's knowledge. Abu Musa al-Ashari once said: "If we companions of the Messenger of God had any difficulty on a matter, we asked Aisha about it."
"Yahya related to me from Malik from Yahya ibn Said from Said ibn al-Musayyab that Abu Musa al-Ashari came to Aishah, the wife of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and said to her, "The disagreement of the companions in a matter which I hate to bring before you has distressed me." She said, "What is that? You did not ask your mother about it, so ask me." He said, "A man penetrates his wife, but becomes listless and does not ejaculate. "She said, "When the circumcised part passes the circumcised part ghusl is obligatory." Abu Musa added, "I shall never ask anyone about this after you." Al-Muwatta of Imam Malik Hadith 2.75
Arwa Bin Zubair says, "I did not find anyone more proficient (than Aisha ®) in the knowledge of the Holy Quran, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha ® in resolving intricate issued".Jala-ul-Afham by Ibn Qaiyem and Ibn Sa’ad, Vol.2, p.26

Abu Musa al-Ashari says: "Never had we (the companions) had any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her".Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, pg. 163

As a teacher she had a clear and persuasive manner of speech and her power of oratory has been described in superlative terms by al-Ahnaf who said: "I have heard speeches of Abu Bakr and Umar, Uthman and Ali and the Khulafa up to this day, but I have not heard speech more persuasive and more beautiful from the mouth of any person than from the mouth of Aishah."

The Prophet said, "The superiority of 'Aisha to other ladies is like the superiority of Tharid (i.e. meat and bread dish) to other meals. Many men reached the level of perfection, but no woman reached such a level except Mary, the daughter of Imran and Asia, the wife of Pharaoh." Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith, Narrated by Abu Musa Al Ashari Hadith 4.643
Musa Ibn Talha ® says, "I did not see anyone more eloquent than Aisha ®" Mustadrak of Hakim, Vol.4,p.11

Men and women came from far and wide to benefit from her knowledge.

Aisha’s great interest in the study of the Qur’an is understandable. She was an eye-witness to a number of revelations and had therefore a clear idea of the circumstances in which they were revealed. It was on her bed alone (and no other consort’s) that the Prophet received Wahi (Divine Revelations) several times. This helped her in interpreting the verses.

At the time of the Prophet’s death, the Prophet’s head was on her lap. It was in her quarters that the Prophet was buried.

The life of Aishah (R) is a proof that a woman can be far more learned than men and that she can be the teacher of scholars and experts. Her life is also a proof that a woman can exert influence over men and women and provide them with inspiration and leadership. Aisha (R) is a continuing inspiration and role model to today’s youth who are diligently searching for an example amongst the pop stars, movie actresses and sports stars. May the memory of her’s live forever in the heart of the Muslim Ummah and may Allah grant her the highest abode in Paradise…Aameen.

Conclusion:

It was the aforementioned qualities of Aisha ® and the Prophet’s guidance in molding these capabilities for the service of Islam, were the main reasons, why the Prophet Married young Aisha ®, and not the perverted reasons brought forth by misguided orientalists.

Muslims invite all sincere humans to study the life of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon) in the light of the authentic sources of the Quran and the Sunnah (exemplary sayings and deeds of the Prophet) and judge for themselves where the truth lies. Indeed, by recognizing the truth of Islam as the final and complete Guidance sent by our Creator can humanity find lasting peace in this world and a means of salvation from the hell fire in the hereafter.

"I have studied him - the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Savior of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today." George Bernard Shaw, THE GENUINE ISLAM, Vol. 1, No. 81936.

Though, the Prophet is not among us in his flesh, but his exemplary life has been preserved for all humanity to follow.

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When Truth comes Falsehood disappears, Islam came, now Shirk (polytheism) must clear

Welcome to Islam…

Dane - 2/25/2006

Muslim paranoia is SO weird!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/25/2006

It isn't really a reaction to the toons but it is hilarious:

http://www.erotic8.com/videos/muslimraveparty.wmv

Someone sent it to me today and I'm still laughing.

S Misra - 2/25/2006

And, therefore, I should have added, I am sorry to see the Danish government bending over backwards to appease the Muslim fascists, they can never be appeased---that should be more than clear when we see how they treat their own, such as shooting an unarmed Muslim journalist and her cameramen, shooting a Muslim woman bystander in the head, blow up mosques by the dozen, burn room fulls of Korans belonging to the "wrong" sect...

And that is why I will buy Danish. Don't Tread On Me.

S Misra - 2/25/2006

Mark:
Christianity that used torture and murder was not true to the words of Christ. Christians who argue that there is such a thing as "just war" are wrong; they cannot find words in Christ that excuse it. Christians who, in short, try to attach to the teachings of Jesus the Old Testament, which is full of justifications of violence, are making a mistake.
The problem is that Islam does explicitly excuse the killing of nonbelievers and therefore whereas Christians can see that such horrors as burnings of witches, the Inquisition, or slavery cannot be justified, Muslims believe in killing. Their holy book allows for it.

No matter how much I try to attack it, the caste system is terrible, but it is justified by the religious books, so religiously I don't have a leg to stand on. No matter how much I might try, if I were a Jew, to justify nonviolence, the actions of Moses and Joshua clearly allow for ethnic cleansing, killing of men, women and children (read Exodus). These are failed religions. If I were a Buddhist, I cannot justify violence, the words of Buddha would not allow it. If I were not religious, and liked Socrates, I could not justify violence, he clearly said "violence negates reason." If I thought Gandhi was, as Einstein said, the greatest man in 2,000 years, I could not justify violence, because Gandhi believed the means were the end and that violence only begets more violence.

But violent religions can justify violence. As such, true enlightenment, which requires nonviolence and the use of reason, cannot really penetrate peoples of violent religions. Yes, they can learn science and art, but in their political life, they are always potential barbarians. If such people did not take offense at every question, one could ask them why violence is justified, how the behavior of their religious heroes is anything but abysmal, but they would fly off the handle and, well, you see what they can do. But we must ask them, as Socrates asked the Athenians who went on to poison him, why one should bow to irrationality? Once you excuse killing in holy books, no one is safe. Today, they kill "infidels," of which I am proud to be one; tomorrow, and today for that matter, they kill the other sects of their own faith, Sunni murder Shiites and Shiites murder Sunni. Finally, they kill those within their own faith for not being true enough.

As such, violent religons always excuse, ultimately, the worst sort of fascism, theocracy. These theocratic fascists must be challenged, not simply tolerated. If a tyrant orders you to bow, to apologize, one must always refuse openly, because you can never make tyrants happy. Give them some and they want more, until they want your worship.

Also, doubt is part of true faith. People who have real faith have doubts. Doubts do not mean you have no faith, as Malcolm Muggeridge, the theologian said, doubts are proof that one is faithful in really seeking the Truth. But to fanatics, doubts are to be met with hate, torture, and death. Every single disciple had doubts, or they would not have disappeared during Christ's torture before his crucifixion. Only liars and utter fanatics have no doubts, and, unfortunately, they are allowed to use violence to destroy "infidels," those who do not have utter fidelity to the faith. It is as if the slightest doubt tests the irrationality of their own faith, so they cannot tolerate it. This is why there is no religious or political Renaissance in lands where violent faiths predominate.

Spelling Wroung - 2/25/2006

You just offended my feelings by ridiculing The Teletubbies(may peace be opon them)Now I have to start up riots and curse those who question their teachings....

javaid ilyas dar - 2/25/2006

whats nonesense happening there in denmark,france germany and norway?u should behave like civilized peoples, coz u are cosideringurselfe as civilized soceity,generally anyone can,t considered as civilized whenever he havnt show respect for others religions, religious personalities, as like prophets, than holy books, and other noble practices,coz all of these things deserving common interests and respects from everyone,holy prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is a personality, whose life is an ideal example for not just muslims but for everyone, coz his behaviour towards life, is really a practical, and meaningfull, he always respected every one, even his worst enemies, he always prayed for everyone towards true path ,which is guided by God.he just guided the humen being towars the pleasure of God in the light of holy revelations, he havt great respect for all prophets and messangers and included this repect and faith in islam , that whenever any muslim havnt complete faith and respect, and love for all messangers, he can,t be a muslim.so we have a great love and respect for all messangers and prophets to become true and complete muslims.than why are u doing such blasphemic activities? u know well than any one can,t draw any image, caricature, cartoon photo of the prophets since 1400 year before,coz any one havnt any image of those periods.so tyhis activity is looking to just offend the muslims and u r trying to play with the emoptions of muslims.
editors of the news papers are most educated, responsible thinkiers, and philosphers persons, they can predict the reaction of therei published story, coz its a professional matter and any professional person can predict abt his professional activity,s reaction. so these editors knew well that its a worst thing to draw and publish such type of caricatures, and hence they did same... its mean that they did professional dishonesty and between the line of this dishonety, there is looking a conspiracy to start a war between civilizations, if u don,t excuses from God and prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and also from the muslims of all over the world, ucan,t imagine whats happen next?every thing will be finished specially urs civilization....u can,t hide it behind the freedom of expresion right...its not freedom of expresion.coz freedom of expresion is not a license to offend billions persons, so u have some short time to stop and made excuse .otherwise there is willing to dismantle everything is going strongest day by day, u can,t imagine the power of islam and muslims, we r now fighting terrorism and extremsim in our soceity but u r forcing us to made it strong.ok
may Allah guide u towards true and right path.
javaid ilyas dar
muzaffarabad Ajk pakistan

Mark Linham - 2/25/2006

Hasan,

You're an idiot!

Aside from lying about the contents of the Danish Constitution, when "anti-semitic activities" are referenced in the context of a criminal investigation of them, it means - or should only mean, at least - actions (i.e. violence), or planned actions, against Jews, not speaking, or drawing cartoons about them.

Speech, as such - against *anyone* - is never to be considered the subject of criminal investigations, or prosecution. It's only when the "speech" in question amounts to a credible threat of violence, that it would be considered a crime.

Mark Linham - 2/25/2006

Ah, you remember the rantings of good ole Falwell, one of our own "Ayatollahs"!

Then there are the rubber sharks, and Spongebob Squarepants!

Slater - 2/25/2006

Now you're calling me a faggot? :P

Slater - 2/25/2006

Kewl :P

Slater - 2/25/2006

That's a straight-out lie. The Danish constitution says no such thing.

You can see the whole thing in Danish at www.grundloven.dk - notice the absence of the word "religion" anywhere in it. The word is the same in Danish.

The only thing slightly related to religion is $71:
"No Danish citizen can be subjected to any kind of imprisonment due to ethnicity or religion"

hasan - 2/25/2006

Danish ministers say the government can’t condemn the cartoons a daily published mocking the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), and that freedom of speech is guaranteed for all and that freedom of the press is also guaranteed by the Danish constitution. This argument would have been accepted if the constitution does not state otherwise and if the Danish government can say the same thing when it comes to making anti-Semitic remarks. The Danish constitution says:

“The law prohibits publicly disseminated statements, which threaten, insult, or degrade persons based on their religion.”

And this law was used by the Danish government to condemn “anti-Semitic” activities and investigate them, as mentioned in the human rights report made by the US Department of State regarding Denmark in 2004:

“From January through June, there were five incidents of anti-Semitic vandalism, primarily graffiti, and one incident of an anti-Semitic mailing, which the government condemned and investigated.”

Why a different stand when it comes to Islam?

history rules - 2/25/2006

A correction: Actually, mohammed killed women or had them killed - such as a poetess who recited poems critical of m. and he had women and children enslaved after killing all the men (600?) of a Jewish tribe in Medina after they had surrendered. If you want the verses from the koran just ask.

PS I left out the capitalization as a sign of disrespect for mohammed who was the luckiest (if the man who wounded him had only hit him again - just to make sure!!) and most overrated brigand in history (one of his first actions was to attack a caravan during one of the then existing truce months.

Great guy to have as a neighbor - if you live in a well protected house.

If muslims actually read the koran, they might start to question their faith? Naahhh,
too much early indoctrination.

Jim
USA

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

S Misra:

The problem we're faced with, with respect to much of the Muslim world, derives from the failure of the Enlightenment - that is, the advent of freethought, science and reason - to penetrate the environs of Islam, in the same way that it has the environs of Christendom. It's just one of those damnable accidents of history.

Christianity had a period - the teachings of Christ, notwithstanding - when it practiced incredible barbarism: burnings at the stake for heretics (those who merely questioned Church dogma, or authority), the burning of "witches", persecutions and pogroms, and so forth, torture: the thumb-screw and the rack, etc. This was because of the entanglement of church and state, or in essence, the forcible interference in what otherwise would have been freedom of thought, and the free exercise by each individual of their own values and convictions. The West has largely managed to throw off this vicious paradigm - not completely, but mostly, while the Muslim world, in its entirety, hasn't.

In the context of freedom - and this is only possible when political and religious freedom exists - one need not fear the "offensive" opinions, or practices, of others, because one is then free to not deal with those who affront one's beliefs. One is also, then, free to pursue the truth, which has the effect of building genuine self-esteem, which, in turn, has the effect of making verbal "insults" from others less threatening to one's ego.

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

Tinky Winky

infidel - 2/24/2006

oh yeah? OH YEAHH??!!!! oh. yeah.

S Misra - 2/24/2006

Mark Linham:

I'm not sure what the solution to fanatical murderers is. I know what is right, to turn the other cheek, to allow one's self to suffer to teach the other person a better way, but for that to work, the other person has to have a conscience. Unfortunately, violent religions build a violent conscience. They excuse the killing of nonbelievers, I am sure, even if they are nonviolent. I do believe one has the right to defend one's self from being murdered. Knowing Islam's past, I know they are capable of over one thousand years of unrelenting violence, and be proud of it. I wish they could be reasoned with, but I think for now, while we attempt to reason with them, we must prevent the murderers among them from hurting innocent people. If in the process they die, they die. It is a practical way, but I am not sure it is the most moral way, but, again, I think nonviolence is incomprehensible to those who believe in it as sacred.

Slater - 2/24/2006

So.. you're calling me a Teletubby?

Smile - 2/24/2006

Why you muslims is very easy to be angry?
in Europa, USA, people is not so easy to be provoked, if you try to insult them by one or other way, they will ignore your insult.
I see many muslims running amuck on the street, their faces look like some lions, not human being.
Many people died for nothing.
wise muslims will avoid involving itself in that kind of violence.
We can avoid completely some kind of provokation,and insult in this imperfect world. And it will happen again in one or other country and wise muslims will keep his mind cool.
Live is holy!

infidel - 2/24/2006

sorry, Left out
9. Loud-mouthed Hedonists. ;)

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/islam-comments-a-cheap-shot/2006/02/24/1140670236214.html?page=2

infidel - 2/24/2006

Just who ARE THESE SAVAGES CHANTING "DEATH TO DENMARK"? HUH? Can there possibly be any OTHER TOWERING justification for a determined, organized "final solution" for this cult?

death to WHO? (WHOM?)

Death to DENMARK??????????

What the HELL. This is surreal. How low can these moslems GET? what next? "Death to teletubbies?"

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

CORRECTION:

"ruper rich" - super rich

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

I hope you're right as to a positive outcome to our foreign policy.

I suppose that's possible. Although. I question the wisdom of busting up a relatively secular dictatorship - a *very* bad thing, to be sure - only to have it likely replaced (albeit through democratic processes) with a Shiite theocracy. Truly the proverbial "out of the frying pan, into the fire" situation.
At any rate, I suppose it does still remain to be seen what happens in Iraq.

Our domestic quality of life under the Republicans, however - as always, when that party takes over - is certainly threatened to be greatly reduced, for all but the ruper-rich.
And these people promote a strongly Christian fundamentalist version of the theocratic agenda. Something that - in at least some of its manifestations - is just as dangerous, and just as bad for human life, as Islamic theocracy.

If freedom is going to enjoy a long-term, or even semi-permanent victory, both the Bush agenda *and* the Islamicist fanatics' agenda must be rejected.

Our answer, in effect, to the religious dominionist/New World Order pincer:
"We want no part of ye. We want our lives back!"

This being said, I also hope for unexpected silver linings in our otherwise dark clouds.

marcel - 2/24/2006

I agree and will help.
Freedom is stronger than ignorancy.
We shall overcome....
Marcel from Spain

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/24/2006

Mark,
Did you consider the idea that Bush has a very little appreciated vision of what the middle east is going through? Do you see that his plan, although slow and painful, but is a good one to make change in the M.E? All the problems we are seeing now are caused by those who hate the change, but the change is coming, and I am happy to tell you that a lot of is attributed to his vision. I know that the left media portrays him as a stupid Texan, but time will show you that he is anything but that.

I can tell that you disagree with him on social issues (and I do on some too) but I hope you give him credit for standing up to his convections.

Vote by your convictions. That's a smart strategy.

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

As I speak - and thanks to a long list of things, including the recent Bush appointment of a certain Samuel Alito to our Supreme Court - I've pretty much lost my country to our right-wingers. DAMN THEM!

Our "opposition" party, the Democratic Party, is all but worthless, as a result of a long, long list of truly craven sellouts over the years, on the part of much of that party's "leadership".

There are still some truly wonderful Democrats - Rep. Cynthia McKinney, of Georgia, to name the most luminous example - but they are not numerous, or politically powerful enough to save that party, in my opinion.

So, I've decided to vote my convictions next time, as closely as possible, and without the compromises that I've heretofore had to make to vote the Democrat ticket. This, even though my vote will arguably be "wasted". Rightists control all three branches of our national government, effectively decimating any checks and balances against the Republican (Nazi) Party's power. And so, we're at a point over here in the States when we really have nothing to lose by making a desperate bid to create a new political opposition.

This is what we must do.

I don't think either of us is a praying man - I know I'm not; but if we were, I would say, pray for us!

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

POSTSCRIPT:

..oh yes, and Mr Clinton also was an agressive champion of firearms confiscation, even though the presence of such a weapon in the hands of the law-abiding actually saves lives, and our Article Two, of the Bill of Rights, says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; and despite the fact that westerners - now more than ever, because of religious terrorism - need every resource at their disposal for self-defense!

and the list just goes on and on...

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

Again, well put, Slater.

Bill Clinton (who I voted for both times - I'm sorry) has been something of a disappointment to me over the years, on a number of different issues, in addition to this one.

I can't list them all, but here are just a few of the highlights:

Approved NAFTA and GATT, which concentrates exponentially more unaccountable power in the hands of giant multinational corporations, who are now free to progressively flout environmental protection and worker protection rules, "outsource" (to countries that allow slave labor and child labor, etc,

Set his "Justice" Department dogs on our state of California, for their "crime" of following a course of compassion for the terminally ill who find relief in marijuana,

"Welfare Reform", which, of course, penalizes the unfortunate poor, while we still retain a system of corporate cronyism, "no-bid" contracts and corporate welfare,

Trying to censor the Internet. (an exercise in sheer futility on his part, but truly outrageous that he attempted it!),

etc...

So, of course, he is against free speech.. naturally.

Slater - 2/24/2006

Btw, Bill Clinton too has condemned the cartoons. Back in late january he said something like this (this is an English-to-Danish-to-English translation, so it's probably lost something in the process):

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"So what are we to do? Replace anti-semitic prejudice with anti-islamic prejudice? Most of the battles we have fought in Europe in the last 50 years have been about fighting anti-semitism"

He described the drawings as horrifying and criticized what he called a tendency to generalize negative news of militant muslims.
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That's a translation from a Danish newspaper.

Now all this complete babble has NOTHING to do with the cartoons, and only shows that he had no idea what they were all about, and most likely hadn't even seen them.
Obviously he saw an opportunity to get some publicity and took it.

I used to have more respect for this guy than any other US president, but this is just plain idiotic.

Unfortunately people like him and Poul Nyrup are the main reason some people resort to violence. They make violence WORK!
As long as the religious extremists feel they are winning something by the threats, riots and violence, they have no reason to stop, and they WILL do it again the next time someone or something slightly offends them.

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Yes, they have the right to believe the cartoons were wrong. But that's not what they are doing. They are not just believing, they are selling the rest of us out by brown-nosing the Muslims and acting like we just didn't know what we were doing.

Slater - 2/24/2006

Unfortunately it is true.
And that's just what I told you in a former post - all the left wing parties (he is a social-democrat), are a bunch of weak cowards, who would rather say they are sorry than stand up for basic human rights and risk a little turmoil.

I have no idea what to do at next election.

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

POSTSCRIPT:

I have not verified, yet, whether the former Danish PM condemned the cartoons. If he did this - as certain other westerners have - it is an act of moral cowardice.

The core issue is whether we as individuals - and as a global society - will lay the blame for violence where it properly belongs (on the actual perpetrators), and at once protect the freedom of speech and freedom to dissent which is so crucial to a free, civilized society - or if, on the other hand, we'll surrender that supreme value to mindless thugs.

All you western appeasers and apologizers to thuggery: You ought to be ashamed of yourselves! A pox upon your house, too, and I deny that you are my fellows! It's compromisers with evil, like you, who actually do MORE damage to beauty, life and liberty, than the thugs themselves! Go to hell.

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

Telling you the *truth* about your "holy" religion and your "prophet" humiliates you?

Develop a thicker skin, dumb ass!

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

You're welcome!

European - 2/24/2006

I Totally agree - we cannot afford the muslims disintegrating like that, over a stupid cartoon... lets make a film about Muhammad instead; then it will be 24 frames/pictures pr second instead - that would surely mean the beginning of a worldwar... no, much worse, an interstellar jihad, to read the universe for any humor whatsoever...

Man, you gyus are really hard taking seriously!

hasan - 2/24/2006

Denmark's former prime minister Poul Nyrup Rasmussen condemned the blasphemous Danish cartoons as "an insult and a humiliation for the people who believe in Islam." "I disagree with those cartoons. I must say it's humiliating, is a lack of respect and it is stupid," Rasmussen told the European Parliament in Brussels during a debate with the head of the Arab League, Amr Moussa.

Yes, indeed, we have to stop. There must be no repetition of these things that still pop up in this and that capital, and no violence either."
"I also appeal to you to see the action and the reaction at the same time. Let's see what we can do for the future. It is our duty to prevent that from reappearing in the European Arab relations, in the Christian Muslim relations, on the relations between civilisations.

We cannot afford other incidents of that kind," he added.

DD - 2/24/2006

Thanks for some good posts in the recent weeks!

A Dane

Jay - 2/24/2006

" It Is A bLeSsInG to Be A mUsLiM wOmEn
SO IF YOU WANT MORE ELABORATION JUST REQUEST ME TO, AND I WILL BE READY FOR YOUR APPROPRIATE DEMANDS."

WhY dO YoU HAvE Too TyPe liKe ThIS ?
Anyways sure, if you were born and raised on a diet of cow shit, you would probably think cow shit is the greatest thing on earth.

jim - 2/24/2006

Where can I find some Koran toilet paper? I'd love to wipe my arse w/ the Muslim holy scriptures printed on Charmin. I've been wiping my mynasty Americamn arse w/ The Penguin Classics Koran but the paper is a bit rough on my delicate bottom!

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

If she's served by an ISP that does not censor, there are beaucoup resources for her information and edification from all over the Web.

If she's going to go for English language resources, though, I would recommend that she brush up a little bit on English grammar and spelling, first.

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

Islamic countries don't significantly have economies as it is, just medieval serfdom with extremely repressive theocracies.

No, they have nothing to offer the West - or Denmark - (but enslavement, death and destruction) unless they fundamentally change their ways.

And rather than trying to steal our values, the Islamic militants seek only to destroy them.. They champion and practice destruction for destruction's sake, hate for hate's sake - and as philosopher, Ayn Rand, identified it: hatred of the good for being the good.

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

POSTSCRIPT:

I also want the ultimate repudiation of all the barbaric religions, or at least all the barbaric versions of the same.

We need something in our lives that speaks to our better selves.. our higher spiritual aspirations, if you will. We just don't need the irrationality. We never needed that.

Mark Linham - 2/24/2006

S Misra,

Yes, that's right: We should challenge the violent and intolerant.
Our response however, should be measured relative to the kind and degree of threat to others that they pose.

For instance, someone may advocate a wicked and pernicious piece of nonsense that, if practiced, would cause misery, death and destruction. In that case we would answer the expression of these notions with an argument - a competing set of ideas that are better and/or evidence that provides a refutation. But otherwise this evil person would remain free. We would simply expose his *ideas* as the rotten nonsense that they are.

If on the other hand we discover that the "advocate" of the bad idea(s) is actually working to carry them out physically - or if it already is clearly evident that he is initiating violence (as in the case of these Muslim rioters) - thus endangering the lives or property of others, then he (or they) should then be physically stopped, possibly prosecuted as a criminal(s), or even killed, if necessary.

S Misra - 2/23/2006

Actually, you Moslems fight for nothing often enough. Just today, your sweet Moslem brothers shot a woman reporter, a fellow Muslim, from al-Arabiya television, along with her Muslim cameramen. That sounds like nothing to me. Killing cartoonists while all Islamdom draws antiSemite cartoons and while, as yesterday, Egyptian Moslems murder Coptic Christians, a sport in Egypt, sounds like nothing to me. Mosa, your arguments have all the strength of a saMosa (a stuffed spicy Indian pastry), with none of the taste.

S Misra - 2/23/2006

Oh you Muslims act like such brothers, but if brother Hasan was Sunni and brother Mohammed Mosa was Shiite, they would be slashing at each other, shooting each other in the head, bombing each other's mosques, burning each other's Korans, and otherwise being good followes of the violent prophet. You say romantic drivel, Mosa, nonsensical claptrap no one swallows.

S Misra - 2/23/2006

Absolutely. Freedom means the freedom not only to disagree, but to express views others hate, yet be protected. However, toleration is not enough. One must challenge those who believe violence is alright. The fact is that Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and a bunch of other religions and philosophies believe in violence. Violence means the strongest, not the most rational, win. Violent religions are false. One day, we will look at them the way we look at worship of Baal, whose bronze image was heated to red hot and babies sacrificed to him. You cannot let those who act holy get away with belief in violence. As Gandhi said, the means is the end. Toleration allows fascists to coexist unchallenged.

S Misra - 2/23/2006

By the way, Elaine Pagels, a professor of religion at Princeton University, in her book, The Origin of Satan, says Satan is one that changes over time, from Judaism to Christianity. The Moslem idea of Satan is even more different. The Old Testament God is not the same as God as Christ describes him, and Mohammedianism goes back to the violent God, one who on top of being violent, promises orgasms in heaven. Truth can only be known through reason, not violence. Any violent religion is false. Islam is false because it is violent.

S Misra - 2/23/2006

You are wrong. The Koran clearly denounces the Christian idea of God as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It also denounces Jews. It recommends killing both if they do not believe. Jesus is nonviolent and Mohammed is violent. Mohammed took advantage of a child sexually through "marriage." If you cannot tell the difference in Christ's message and the violent debased message of Mohammed, who promised 72 virgins with the eyes of fawns and other sensual orgiastic pleasures, you are blind. Christ teaches us to love our enemies and you Mohammedians are taught by the false book, the Koran, to kill. No violent religion is true since violence is the weapon of the morally illogical; they cannot convince others so they kill them. You know Islam is false since your so-called Mohammedian nations refuse to allow evangelism by any other faith. You know that in a contest of ideas, Islam will lose and nonviolent faiths such as Buddhism or Christianity or philosophies of nonviolence will win.

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

The main point is not whose religion or worldview is right or wrong. Whether one is right or not is something that is - or at least should be - of prime importance to one's self.

No, the central point is freedom of speech, and the right to exist as one is. There is no legitimacy whatsoever to answering an opinion or an argument with force.. NONE. EVER!

If someone wants to burn Danish flags, American flags, deny Christ, worship Satan, advocate perversion, deny or blaspheme Muhammed, deny the Holocaust, champion Nazism, Communism, or whatever.. all of these are protected speech, so long as they are indeed only expressions of opinion, and don't pose a clear and imminent *physical* danger to the lives and health of others.

Of course, you're an idiot if you're an Christian fundamentalist, fanatical Zionist or Muslim, Holocaust denier (it DID happen), or Nazi.. but it is your RIGHT in a free and civilized society to be morally wrong, or an idiot, if you choose to be.

The problem ONLY begins, politically, when you attempt to FORCE yourself - or your views - upon unwilling others.

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/23/2006

Q. If there is only one true god, why have you and billions of others, for so long consistently failed to demonstrate (let alone prove) the existence of such a grand deity?

A. (quotes from holy books go here)

S Misra - 2/23/2006

Muslims can be racist and often are. Arab Muslims do not treat fellow muslims from other nations well as their guest workers, especially if they are not Arab looking, such as from Bangladesh or Africa. Pakistan in part murdered 1-3 million Bengali Muslims because they were smaller and darker than Pakistani Muslims. So, "Just a muslim girl," you are wrong. Please read history. You don't have to be ignorant; ignorance is a choice in the Information Age.

S Misra - 2/23/2006

You are wrong. Islam has started plenty of wars of conquest, many not at all for self defense. India never invaded any Muslim country. In 800 A.D., Muslims invaded India, looted, murdered monks and priests, murdered civilians, burnt libraries at a number of Buddhist and Hindu universities, and looted. You refused, actually, after some time, to convert people, because "Islam," a religion of violence and crudity, taxes non-muslims higher. To continue to loot non Muslims in India, you refused to convert. India was enslaved by Muslims. Of course, you are ignoring all the warfare between Mussalmans. That has been going on since soon after Mohammed's death until today. By the way, you say you are a muslim, but actually, there is no such thing as a muslim, only a Sunni or Shiite, and you hate each other with a bloodlust. So, you are ignorant of history and blinded by your stupidity (stupidity because once you know the truth, you refuse to believe it). If you are not ignorant or stupid, and do know your own history, then you are a dirty liar.

Ben - 2/23/2006

Made you think, didn't it - that muslims are at war with almost everybody on this small planet?...

Religion of peace?

The biggest lie of the new millenium!

Slater - 2/23/2006

Actually, you guys are the racists. Sorry. That argument is just lame.

But.. damn, you almost make me laugh.
Do you seriously believe that the Muslim world can impact western economy in any noticeable way?

If the West and the ME just cut connections entirely, whose economy do you think will be destroyed?

Let me spell it out for the cheap seats:
That would be yours.

Slater - 2/23/2006

>> "i dont know since you dont even get the islamic way and never mada an effort ti evenknow"

The same old argument. "Get to know Islam". WHY?
Getting to know Islam has NO relevance in this case. Zero. Nil. None whatsoever. Why do you keep making this argument?

Try to understand that this conflict is about your ACTIONS. Not the Koran or Islam. Just the fact that you guys are violent, ignorant and insane, which you keep proving.

You want us to see Islam as peaceful?
STOP BEING VIOLENT!

>> "tell ma how can ut get more racism than that???"

How about by threatening all Danes for what one newspaper did? Of course Danes aren't technically a race, but neither are Muslims, so ...

>> "Mohammad well never be touched even if the whole world try"

Then what's the fucking problem? If we didn't offend him, why are you threatening us and demanding an apology?
Leave it alone. That's all we want, but you apparently want a war.

infidel - 2/23/2006

If islam is all these great things you people say it is, then WHY are moslems emigrating to DENMARK - a non-moslem country, instead of staying in their glorious , "free" , islamic countries?

Whats the connection between denmark and moslems, and why should Denmark let you into their clean, beautiful country?

Why aren't moslems emigrating to ANY of the 51 other islamic countries? Can you answer this question?

Islam will never start a war? HUH?
So the moslems are in wars against
1. Jews- Israel
2. hindus -India
3. buddhists -thailand
4. atheists - china
5. animists - Sudan
6. Christians - Britain,U.s,Nigeria
7. Secular humanists/socialists - Continental Europe (France,norway and DENMARK!!!! of all countries)
8. Orthodox Christians/Nihilists - Russia

Because, ALL these groups/peoples are to blame and not "peaceful" islam/moslems?

Two major civilized groups are not at war with Islam: Japan and Latin America. You know why? Because Japan doesn't let moslems into their country in huge numbers. Islam hasn't reached a critical mass in Latin America either. ONCE its reached, then islam will be "oppressed" and the WAR begins. Dumb savages. What a CURSE on the human race this cult is.

BMC - 2/23/2006

And yet in spite of all you claim, brother muslims in Iraq destroy one of the holiest shrines in Islam (and now other mosques are burning in reply).

How ironic.

muslim - 2/23/2006

you talked about freedom .. ha??

well talk about this

what freedom you ask for while the Islamic freedom is davastated by ur actions

you sara talked about Islam

well,did you even know what is Islam??
what is it based on ???
whats its relationship with the non-muslims people??

no ,, you just go on with those people without aglue,,,

by the way,
islam never and well ever stsrt awar or cause harm unless it was selfdefence

so whats your problem??
i dont know since you dont even get the islamic way and never mada an effort ti evenknow us and i dont mean by your media..sorry but thw truth???
they suck

any way these cartoons you ask the freedom for ,,, if it was about your father and they made fun with him in the world.. not just fun but insulted him ,, then youll say olso oh its ok.. its freedom

well try that with the profet of more than abillion muslim,,,

where is their freedom??? tell me??

or they dont have one??? that mean that muslims r not even human

tell ma how can ut get more racism than that???

it just doesnt

and fyi:-
Mohammad well never be touched even if the whole world try,,

he is just out of your lead ,,,

he lives on our hearts ,, our minds

and that darling is afact

Just aMuslim girl - 2/23/2006

go ahead american and but the danish

its youe lost

why??

because then it will be ur time
and its your economy will be destroyed

by the way,,,

ur r the most Racisms People i ever seen

S Misra - 2/23/2006

Once again Hasan with the personal attacks. You are a fountain of illogic, of violence, and hate. In other words, you reflect well the teachings of your prophet Mohammed and his creation, the Koran. He said to kill nonbelievers, and you advocate it. You are a true Muslim, but first, shouldn't you be strapping on a bomb and killing some Sunni or Shiites to take revenge against the heretics, whichever they may be. Heretics are nonbelievers. Kill nonbelievers. Allah through the mouth of Mohammed says for you, little Hasan, to do that. Just do it. Or you could try thinking, reason, debate, ethics, morality, and nonviolence. Light a candle, not a fuse.

S Misra - 2/23/2006

Mohammed is not merciful. Mercy that depends on the giver of mercy is no mercy. One should not have to beg for mercy. The right to not be killed for nonbelief is a human right and Islam violates it by advocating the killing of nonbelievers in the Koran. I can read all I want to about Islam, but the Koran is the final say, and it says believers should kill nonbelievers, including Jews and Christians. Too bad it also means Sunni can kill Shiites as nonbelievers and Shiites can kill Sunni as nonbelievers. When the killing begins, it never ends. That is why, today, some "Muslim" murdered a female correspondent for Al Arabiya. Only a nonviolent philosophy, such as Socratic, or religion, such as that of Jesus or Buddha, has any validity. Mercy means the giver of mercy has power. Jesus says to be a servant of others. That is superior to Mohammed. Mohammed prophesies nothing because ultimately, force is used, violence is used, and, then, far too often, the strongest win. As Socrates says violence does away with reason, and Mohammed is violent, therefore irrational. No amount of nonsense websites or mullahs or imams (a number of whom died at the hands of fellow "Muslims" yesterday in Iraq), can change the degraded nature of Islam, a third rate religion.

Peter, Europe - 2/23/2006

Those drawings were real FUNNY - and a spitting image of the truth (as we have witnessed!)

I think the danish cartoonists did a lot better job, than arab cartoonists, daily helpless and childish attacks on anything jewish!

Your crying is really funny too - actually you are the laughing stock of the entire world... and now that you have resumed blowing other muslims up, again - can we please go back to normal civilised living around the world; excluding fuckups like you and your brainwashed terrorist comrades!
There are muslims living in the western world, that would like to be left alone for a while, as well!
We dont need your braindead reactions, your fucked up islamist hate-imams, and we dont need you - understand!?

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

Salman Rushdie, Tasleema Nasreen, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, et al, have my full support, thank you very much!

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

Quite right, Slater.

Just one more thing, though: to rejoin civilization, the Muslims who want Islam to viewed as a religion of peace will have to do more than merely protest those (ersatz?) Muslims who are giving their religion a bad name. They must stop, that is to say, arrest and prosecute - or if necessary, kill - those outlaws; or help, or at least not hinder others with what will be ongoing efforts to do this.

Otherwise their failure/refusal to do this disqualifies them to honestly refute the inevitable, ongoing negative perception that others will continue to have of the Muslim world, and of anything Islamic.

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

Right. Exactly. And as for that now infamous cartoon of note, what it symbolizes makes it obviously true to any fair-minded person; not of all Muslims, per se, but certainly of some self-described adherents to that religion.

And so, these morons go on to prove, once again, the cartoonists point!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/23/2006

At least this time he did not try to come across as an "intelligent" terror supporter.

That takes too much online searching, copying and pasting!

Tux.It - 2/23/2006

And they want dialogue ...?

It is as clear as always when
Muslims preach!,
that Islam is about peace, tolerance, love and freedom! In other words
sharia ....

Todays fascism is Islamism

Slater - 2/23/2006

And by once again proving that they are insane and cannot be trusted, Muslims are drawing nearer the day when the West will just turn its back, and let them run around and kill each other by themselves.

Now listen you retard. By supporting the violence and terror coming from the Muslim world, you are making your own religion and country look bad and proving that these cartoons were RIGHT!

I know you must feel very righteous fighting for the honor of a long dead man who doesn't give a shit. But you are not helping him or yourselves by proving your insanity over and over again.

Slater - 2/23/2006

Why do you still believe that knowledge of Islam will change anything?

There are a few facts here:

1: Danes drew cartoons. Slightly offensive perhaps, but they were not meant to offend, and they were not meant for Muslim countries to see.

2: Muslims boycott, kill, burn, purposely offend, riot, threaten and incite terrorism.

Now, it doesn't matter what Islam is SUPPOSED to be, or what the Koran says. These are FACTS that will not change no matter what you say.

If you want Islam to be viewed as a religion of peace, stop lecturing us, and go out and protest against the rabid Islamists who are giving your religion a bad name.

Slater - 2/23/2006

Once again, Mark, you took the words right out of my mouth.. or hands.. or whatever.

That's what I've been saying all along in other forums - although I might have put it a bit less formally, as in:

"If someone calls your mother fat, there are two options: either she IS fat, in which case the person is merely telling the truth, or she is NOT fat, in which case the person is clearly lying, and most likely knows it and is only trying to make you mad. In that case, the only way to let him "win", is by getting mad and taking offense.
This of course applies to any other "offensive" action, including drawing cartoons of a Prophet.

infidel - 2/23/2006

If the white man took off his velvet glove and decided to retaliate against the moslems in their own language (deadly violence) islam would be history by this time tomorrow ;) calm down.

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

"Islam also protects honor. So, in Islam, insulting others or making fun of them is not allowed."

- also from www.islam-guide.com

This indicates precisely the point some of your people miss that's so crucial to benevolence among human beings. SO WHAT if someone insults you (verbally, that is). If what they are saying is inaccurate, then your "honor" is not affected by it. They are only, in that case, showing their own carelessness, or even lack of honor.
On the other hand, if what they are saying is true, or at least has some factual and contextual merit, then you should be told, so that you can determine if the matter is something that indeed does require your constructive attention.
In either case, one is not harmed - or dishonored - merely by someone else's verbal expression (or cartoons, or music, films, paintings, poems, essays, etc).

If you have honor - or more precisely, genuine self-esteem - then that honor can't be touched by mere words. And if you have political freedom, as we liberal westerners advocate, then you also are able to avoid, or ignore, those who insult you, or affront your convictions. If you are honest, and your convictions, true, then does it really matter what they say?

If there is to be peace among human beings, generally, as I believe you would assert that the Q'uran advocates - and on an individual level, not just between different cultures, but between individuals, even - then there must be the freedom to disagree with, and to criticize, others, even if this seems "insulting" to a party to whatever the controversy.

The only thing that matters is the truth, not whether someone has insulted you (or the prophet, etc).

hasan - 2/23/2006

A small obscured country somewhere in europe, an unknown newspaper with an editor having invisible brain asks the most uncreative mind found on the planet to create some cartoons in order to please his financiers.

The little brat manages to create inflammatory depictions called cartoons by some like-minded creatures.

The brat who calls himself a cartoonist is now found in the company of Salman Rushdie, Tasleema Nasreen, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

With a bounty on his head he now lives in seclusion and under state protection.

Welcome to the club !

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

"In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam."

- from www.islam-guide.com

If the above were true about Islam - and I hope someday that it is, then I'm closer to being a Muslim than your so-called "leaders" and "holy" men who won't agree to disagree, live and let live, and leave others alone.

I suspect that the above assertion from Islam Guide is out of context, however.

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

"Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:

"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (Quran, 60:8)"

If the above were an accurate representation of the Koran's content, then the militants from your culture are hell-bound apostates!

There are no two ways about this.

Mark Linham - 2/23/2006

Your reference to an online guide to Islam amounts to a lengthy non-sequitur. The rules of civilized conduct DEMAND that free expression be protected, no matter who doesn't like it, and that force be banned from human relations..

..this regardless of what any "holy" book says.

If you were an educated, moderate, reasonable Muslim simply referring me to information for my own edification, that would be fine. But, if that were true, you would have no trouble agreeing with the above proposition. The fact that you don't, and instead try to change the subject, gives you away as someone who is part of the problem, here.

muslim - 2/23/2006

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Paradise, Its Description, Its Bounties, and Its Intimates

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About Islam and Muslims

Be Convinced

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About Islam (from the MSA at USC)

Articles on Islam in different languages

Islam: Empire of Faith (a PBS film on the history, culture, innovation, and leaders of the Islamic empires)

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The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus

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Jesus in the Holy Quran

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The Truth About Jesus

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About the Prophet Muhammad

Twelve Proofs that Muhammad is A True Prophet

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Biography of the Prophet Muhammad

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Islam Answers Back

The Bible, the Quran, and Science (by Dr. Maurice Bucaille) [Notes: 1. Copied from Witness Pioneer web site with permission.
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Confessions of the New American Bible (from Islam Answers Back web site)

Bible Contradictions (from Islam Answers Back web site)

Short Articles on Comparative Religion

The Plain Truth

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The Noble Quran

In the Shade of the Quran - Part 30 (commentary on the last 37 chapters of the Quran)

Lord’s Words (the Holy Quran categorized into topics)

To Order The Holy Quran, a translation by Saheeh International (one of the best translations)

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Saheeh Al-Bukhari

Saheeh Muslim

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Islam, Muslims, and Violence (a special report and coverage by IslamOnline web site)

Islam, Jihad (Holy War), and Terrorism

Is Islam A Religion of Terror?

Attack on the USA - A Muslim Response

Islam and Terrorism (by Dr. Bilal Philips)

Tolerance in Islam

Jihad (Holy War) Explained

A Condemning Statement on 9/11 Tragedy by the President of the Committee of Senior Scholars of Saudi Arabia

A Condemning Statement on 9/11 Tragedy by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Judiciary Council of Saudi Arabia

A Condemning Statement on 9/11 Tragedy by Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, an Islamic Scholar

The Islamic Verdict on Hijacking and Kidnapping

The Islamic Verdict on Suicide Bombings

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More on Women in Islam (from this web site)

Women in Islam (from About Islam and Muslims web site)

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Women in Christianity and Islam in Brief

Women in Christianity and Islam in Depth

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n How to Perform Prayer:

The Right Way to Pray

How to Perform Ablution (which is necessary
for Prayer)

The Muslim Prayer

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n To Ask a Live Person About Islam by Phone:

Toll free Tel. # within the USA and Canada: 1-877-WHY-ISLAM
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n Questions and Answers on Islam (and to submit a question about it):

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n Online Islamic Bookstores:

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Islamic Organizations:
Also, If you would like more information on Islam, or if you have any questions or comments, you may contact one of the following organizations (Note: To search for addresses of Islamic centers near you, please visit Islamic Finder):

1) The United States:

Islamic Assembly of North America
3588 Plymouth Road, Suite # 270,
Ann Arbor, MI 48105, USA
Tel.: (734) 528-0006 - Fax: (734) 528-0066
E-mail: IANA@IANAnet.org

Islamic Foundation of America
PO Box: 3415, Merrifield, VA 22116, USA
Tel.: (703) 914-4982 - Fax: (703) 914-4984
E-mail: info@ifa.ws

Alharamain Islamic Foundation
1257 Siskiyou Blvd., no. 212,
Ashland, OR 97520, USA
Tel.: (541) 482-1116 - Fax: (541) 482-1117
E-mail: haramain@alharamain.org

Understanding Islam Foundation
11153 Washington Pl., Culver City,
CA 90232, USA
Tel. and Fax: (301) 558-9865
E-mail: info@understandingislam.us

World Assembly of Muslim Youth
PO Box: 8096, Falls Church,
VA 22041-8096, USA
Tel.: (703) 820-6656 - Fax: (703) 783-8409
E-mail: support@wamyusa.org

Islamic Information Institute
of Dar-us-Salam
5301 Edgewood Rd., College Park,
MD 20740-4623, USA
Tel.: (301) 982-9463 - Fax: (301) 982-9849
E-mail: iiid@islamworld.net

Al Jumuah Magazine
PO Box: 5387, Madison,
WI 53705-5387, USA
Tel.: (608) 277-1855 - Fax: (608) 277-0323
E-mail: info@aljumuah.com

2) Canada:

Islamic Information & Da’wah Center International
1168 Bloor Street West, Toronto,
Ontario M6H 1N1, Canada
Tel.: (416) 536-8433 - Fax: (416) 536-0417
E-mail: comments@islaminfo.com

3) The United Kingdom:

Al-Muntada Al-Islami Centre
7 Bridges Place, Parsons Green,
London SW6 4HW, UK
Tel.: 44 (0207) 736 9060
Fax: 44 (0207) 736 4255
E-mail: muntada@almuntada-alislami.org

Jam’iat Ihyaa’ Minhaaj Al-Sunnah
PO Box: 24, Ipswich, Suffolk IP3 8ED, UK
Tel. and Fax: 44 (01473) 251578
E-mail: mail@jimas.org

4) Saudi Arabia:

Alharamain Islamic Foundation
PO Box: 69606, Riyadh 11557, Saudi Arabia
Tel.: (966-1) 465-2210 - Fax: (966-1) 462-3306
E-mail: haramain@alharamain.org

World Assembly of Muslim Youth
PO Box: 10845, Riyadh 11443, Saudi Arabia
Tel.: (966-1) 464-1669 - Fax: (966-1) 464-1710
E-mail: info@wamy.org

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Preface

Chapter 1
Some Evidence for the Truth of Islam

(1) The Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran

A) The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

B) The Quran on Mountains

C) The Quran on the Origin of the Universe

D) The Quran on the Cerebrum

E) The Quran on Seas and Rivers

F) The Quran on Deeps Seas and Internal Waves

G) The Quran on Clouds

H) Scientists’ Comments on the Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran (with RealPlayer Video)

(2) The Great Challenge to Produce One Chapter Like the Chapters of the Holy Quran

(3) Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of Muhammad , the Prophet of Islam

(4) The Verses in the Quran That Mention Future Events Which Later Came to Pass

(5) Miracles Performed by the Prophet Muhammad

(6) The Simple Life of Muhammad

(7) The Phenomenal Growth of Islam

Chapter 2
Some Benefits of Islam

(1) The Door to Eternal Paradise

(2) Salvation from Hellfire

(3) Real Happiness and Inner Peace

(4) Forgiveness for All Previous Sins

Chapter 3
General Information
on Islam

What Is Islam?

Some Basic Islamic Beliefs

1) Belief in God

2) Belief in the Angels

3) Belief in God’s Revealed Books

4) Belief in the Prophets and Messengers of God

5) Belief in the Day of Judgment

6) Belief in Al-Qadar

Is There Any Sacred Source Other than the Quran?

Examples of the Prophet Muhammad’s Sayings

What Does Islam Say about the Day of Judgment?

How Does Someone Become a Muslim?

What Is the Quran About?

Who Is the Prophet Muhammad ?

How Did the Spread of Islam Affect the Development of Science?

What Do Muslims Believe about Jesus?

What Does Islam Say about Terrorism?

Human Rights and Justice in Islam

What Is the Status of Women in Islam?

The Family in Islam

How Do Muslims Treat the Elderly?

What Are the Five Pillars of Islam?

1) The Testimony of Faith

2) Prayer

3) Giving Zakat (Support of the Needy)

4) Fasting the Month of Ramadan

5) The Pilgrimage to Makkah

Islam in the United States

For More Information on Islam (not included in the book)

For Suggestions and Comments

For Further Reading on Islam

References

About the Editors

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Islam Answers Christians
Q: Who is Allah, and is He the same as God?

A: When talking about God, Muslims automatically think of Allah (swt). Allah, in Arabic language, is "God". He is the Almighty, the One Creator who created the universe, mankind and all other forms of life.

Q: Is it true that Adam was the first messenger of God (swt)?

A: Yes, Adam had the responsibility to convey God's message and laws to his descendants. From the beginning, Adam's message to the first generation of mankind was to worship One True God, Allah (swt).

Q: Who is Satan and what's his name in Arabic?

A: Satan belongs to another form of life "jinnkind" or spirits. His name in Arabic is (Iblis) and he goes by another name "Sheetan" (Devil).

Q: Why does Satan despise humans and desire their destruction?

A: When God (swt) created Adam, God wanted to give Adam some sort of respect, value and position among the other creations. God (swt) commanded the Angels, including Satan from the Jinn, to prostrate to Adam as a sign of respect and not as a sign of worship. All prostrated to Adam but Satan. Satan was a mighty & a distinguished Jinn. God (swt) asked him what made you not prostrate to Adam and disobeyed my commandment? Satan replied, I am better than Adam, you created him from Clay and created me from Fire. God (swt) cursed Satan. Satan vowed to destroy Adam and his descendants forever.

Q: I am still confused, I thought Satan was an Angel like Gabriel and he has no free will but to worship God?

A: False. If Satan was an Angel, then we wouldn't have any problems with him at all. Angels are a special creation of God (swt). God (swt) created Angels from divine light (Nur). Angles don't have free will in doing things but to worship God (swt) and obey his commandments. Satan, on the other hand, is a Jinn "spirit", and like humans, Satan and his race "jinnkind" have free will in their actions; free will of doing good and free will of doing bad. Ref. QURAN (18:50)

Q: Why did God (swt) send messengers, and why not instead, communicated with us directly?

A: First, that is God's (swt) will. Second, and because of God's greatness and might, humans, in their earthly bodies, can't withstand God's direct presence. We would die instantly if God (swt) would to manifest Himself to us. Only from the mercy of God (swt) prophet Moses (as) fell unconscious when God (swt) began manifesting him self near the mount. The mount itself exploded to pieces. God's messengers are nothing but human beings, who ate like us, dressed like us, grew up amongst us, spoke our language in order for mankind to comprehend what they utter. God (swt) equipped His messengers with miracles to prove the authenticity of their message.

Q: What is Islam, and what does the word "Islam" mean?

A: Islam is God's eternal message to mankind. Islam originated by our father Adam (as) and then the torch was passed on to other God's elect messengers. Islam's message was, still and will be the belief in and submission to ONE God (swt), the Creator and the Sustainer of all things, the Exalted and the Redeemer of all things. The word Islam itself means "submission and surrendering" to God (swt).

Q: What is the deal with the term(s) "Mohammadeen", "Muhammedanism" or Mohammedans in Islam?

A: There are no such terms at all. Other religions have been named after their founders or after the community in which the religion was prospered. For example, Christianity has been named after Christ. Judaism after the tribe of Judah, and Buddhism after Buddha. Westerners falsely gave the name "Muhammedanism" or Mohammadeen" to Islam after Mohammad (pbuh) the prophet of Islam, and also called his followers "Mohammedans". Islam and Muslims are the words of the QURAN (27:31), (3:19) & (22:78). Again, Islam is God's eternal message to mankind that originated by Adam (as) and sealed by prophet Mohammad (pbuh).

Q: I heard something about the 5 pillars of Islam and the 5 pillars of faith. Could you elaborate more on these pillars?

A: You are right! Islam has two different types of pillars: The pillars of Islam and the pillars of faith in Islam. The 5 pillars of Islam are: "Al-Shahadatan" the testimony that there is no God but Allah and Mohammad is Messenger of Allah, performing prayer (Salah), giving Alms (Zakah), fasting (Sawm), and performing Pilgrimage (Hajj) for those who are able.

The 5 pillars of Faith in Islam are: The belief in One God, Allah (swt), the belief in His Angels, the belief in His Scriptures, the belief in His Messengers, and the belief in Judgment Day.

Q: Who is Mohammad?

A: Mohammad (pbuh) was born in Mecca 570 AD. At age forty he was elected by God (swt) to convey His Message to mankind. The Message is to worship only One God, Allah (swt). Mohammad (pbuh) spent the last 23 years of his life conveying God's Message to all people. Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) died at age 63 and his resting place lies in the city of Medina in Saudi Arabia. He is God's final Messenger to mankind. Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) came to re-institute Islam, the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus (as). The following prophecy is obtained from the Bible regarding Mohammad's cometh from Arabia. In HABAKKUK 3:3 " God (Jesus) came from Teman, and the Holy One from mount Paran. Selah. His glory covered the heavens, and the earth was full of his praise." The place of Teman is the area located southeast of Palestine, and Paran is the area of Mecca in Saudi Arabia where the Holy One (Mohammad pbuh) came from.

Q: Are you telling me both Moses and Jesus were Muslims? If so, prove it and I would like to see something from the Bible in this regard?

A: Both Moses and Jesus (as) were Muslims, since both had conveyed the very same Message, "Submission and surrendering" to One God (swt). Here is the proof from the Bible: Moses said: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is ONE Lord." (DEUTERONOMY 6:4). Approximately 1500 years later Jesus said: "...The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; the Lord our God is ONE Lord." (MARK 12:29), and of course Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) came along approximately 600 years later, bringing identical message again: "And your God is ONE God: There is no God but He, ..." (The QURAN 2:163)

Q: I am still confused, if Mohammad was to be God's final and most glorified Prophet, how come we don't see his name in the Bible?

A: Mohammad's name is indeed mentioned in the original Bible manuscripts. The word "Mahmad" is found in the original Hebrew manuscript and it means the "desired one", or the "glorified one". In the 15th century, exactly in 1539, "Great Bible" was the first and official English translated bible to be authorized for public use, and when the Bible was translated to the English language, many words and expressions were translated differently and sometimes omitted altogether, including the word "Mahmad" which is the name of Prophet Mohammad, the prophet of Islam (pbuh). Here is the verse in the Bible: HAGGI 2:7 "And I (God) will shake all nations, and the "desire one" of all nations shall come."

Also the Bible says: Deuteronomy 18:18-19 "" I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.""

Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was similar to Moses (as) and he was the only prophet from whose mouth the words of God were spoken (Quran). Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) spoke in God's name all the time. Also in Isaiah 51:4, it is said that there will be a new law for all the people. Also, in Isaiah 66:20, it was made clear that the prophet would come from BRETHREN, not children of the Israel.

Q: Are you telling me, all other religions are bogus and Islam is the only true religion?

A: Well, isn't that the case with all religions! Every religion claims that he is right and others are wrong. Islam is the belief in One God, Allah (swt), the Creator of all things. Islam doesn't believe in the "middleman" fallacy as the case with many religions including Christianity. In Christianity, to be saved you have to believe in Jesus (as) as the Son of God, and without such confession and belief in Jesus, you're most definitely going to Hellfire. Islam, on the other hand, declares that believing in One God, Allah (swt) and that Mohammad is His messenger, and obeying God's laws and His prophet's doctrine is the only passport to Heaven.

Q: Is it really sensible that God will reward Heaven only to Muslims and punish others that can easily add up to millions or even billions of people of various religions?

A: Yes it is very sensible. If you read both the Bible and the Quran you will uncover that God (swt) severely punished the unbelievers and the wicked people through out the history of mankind. That includes the people of Prophet Noah (as), the people of Prophet Abraham (as), Lot, Moses (as), etc... Numbers don't mean a thing in the eyes of God (swt) and that shouldn't be considered as an exception at all. Only faith counts and not numbers.

Q: But what about people in our time! We don't know anything about Islam and Mohammad! Would that be considered against us on Judgment Day?

A: Yes it will be considered against you. Before the cometh of prophet Mohammad (pbuh), God (swt) vowed not to punish people or hold them responsible without sending messengers. Unlike Moses & Jesus (as), prophet Mohammad (pbuh) was very distinct since he was sent to all mankind with God's final message to humanity and before Judgment Day. Everybody, the least, heard of Mohammad's name. We live in the information age, and within our finger tips, using computers or TVs, we can learn just about anything including religions. The Prophet (pbuh) told us that everyone of us is born a submitter " Muslim" to the One God, the Almighty Allah (swt), but many factors have tendency to force a person to deviate from the right path such as: Satan's influence, Parents, Society, etc.

Q: How many prophets and messengers did God send to mankind?

A: Our prophet (pbuh) told us approximately 124 Thousand prophets and messengers were sent to mankind. The Quran lists 25 of the most popular ones. They are: Adam, Enoch (Idris), Noah, Hud, Salih, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Lot, Jacob (Yaqub), Joseph (Yusuf), Shu'aib, Job (Ayyob), Moses (Musa), Aaron (Haroon), Ezekiel (Dhul-Kifl), David (Dawood), Solomon (Sulaiman), Elias, Elisha (El-Yasa), Jonah (Yunus), Zechariah, John (Yahya), Jesus, and Mohammad, peace be upon them.

Q: Why can't Muslims accept the term "Son of God", even though it is in the Bible and referring to Jesus?

A: The term "Son of God" was used metaphorically speaking to those who were godly and pious men. It was never meant to be used literally as the case with Christianity toward Jesus (as). In fact, the term "Son of God" is used all over the Bible referring to people other than Jesus, check out the following verses: LUKE 3:38 " the son of Enosh, the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God.", GENESIS 6:2 " that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.", EXODUS 4:22 " Then you shall say to Pharaoh, Thus says the LORD, Israel is My son, My firstborn." , JEREMIAH 31:9 "…For I am a father to Israel, And Ephraim is My firstborn.", ROMANS 8:14 "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.". So how come Christians don't regard those people as Gods, the way they regard Jesus (as)?

Q: Why Muslims don't eat Swine (Pork) meat?

A: For the same reason both Moses & Jesus (as) refused to eat it. God (swt) commanded Muslims not to eat Swine meet. God (swt) also commanded Moses not to eat or even touch the Swine meat as in the following verses in the Bible: LEVITICUS 11:7-8 "and the pig, for though it divides the hoof, thus making a split hoof, it does not chew cud, it is unclean to you. You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you. "

Q: But hey, we are not Jews! We are Christians governed by Grace and not Law?

A: Who said anything about the Jews. The above verses are found in the Christian Bible. Plus, we all know that God (swt) gave Moses (as) numerous commandments and laws including the Ten Commandments, for people to obey, comply and to adhere to. Jesus (as) came along 1500 years later to re-institute Moses's laws & commandments and that by itself is a sign that Prophets came from the same institution with the same message & guidance. Jesus (as) said: MATTHEW 5:17 " Think not that I am come to make void the law or the prophets; I am not come to make void, but to fulfill." Jesus (as) said: JOHN 14:15 " If you love me, keep my commandments." One of these commandments is not to eat Swine meet. I don't see Grace at all, all I see Laws and Commandments that ought to be followed.

Q: According to Muslims, God vowed to preserve the Quran. How come the earlier scriptures weren't persevered, and after all, they are God's words?

A: Nowhere in the Quran God (swt) promises such protection or preservation to the former scriptures as the case with the Quran. Every prophet was armed with special miracles to prove the authenticity of his message. Moses came to people who rely heavily on magic, so God (swt) gave him immense power through his Cane. Jesus came to people who were known of strong medical abilities, so God (swt) gave him the ability to cure people and even to raise the dead. Both prophets Moses & Jesus (pbut) were sent to specific people (sons of Israel) with the mentioned miracles and the scriptures. On the other hand, Mohammad (pbuh) was sent to people who were fluent in Arabic Language and its grammar. God (swt) gave him the Quran as his Main and lasting Miracle. The Quran is very unique in its originality and delivery, and the Arabic Language is the best to preserve such revelation. Since Mohammad (pbuh) is the final messenger to mankind and the Quran was his Main miracle, God (swt) has promised to protect the Quran forever. Remember, if the miracle dies, then its authenticity will most definitely die and perish. Moses and Jesus (pbut) had their miracles but not in their books, but rather in their actions (the power of the Cane & Healing), and once they're gone, it was easy for people to edit and interpolate their scriptures (Torah & Bible) to fit their own selfish desires. So far, and after 1400 years later, the Quran remains untouched and persevered from corruption. Muslims still believe in Mohammad's original revelation and divine message. The preservation isn't only limited to the text, but to the divine message, and to the delivery and originality.

Q: I heard many comments as in: "bibles aren't identical" or "bibles aren't the same"! In Christianity, we do have the original manuscripts somewhere in Greece, but the bibles we have in our hands are only translation based on those original manuscripts. So, what's the big deal! Don't Muslims have many different English translations that aren't a like?

A: The original Quranic manuscript is written in Arabic Language. Every single Muslim have an identical Arabic copy based on the original Quranic manuscript written in Arabic. When Muslims perform their 5 daily prayers, they recite the Quran in its original language, the Arabic Language. Many Muslims memorize the Quran by heart at young age. The English, Spanish or French Quranic translations are nothing but interpretation to the meanings of the words of the Quran, and they are only used as a reference for those Muslims who don't speak Arabic. Unlike Muslims, almost the majority of Christians don't even know where the original manuscripts are located at. None of the Christian Churches have, in their possession, a copy in either Hebrew or Greek that is based on the original manuscripts. Christians have translations, translations, translations and as for the original Bible, it's buried somewhere overseas collecting dust.

The Bible (OT & NT) has endured many severe predicaments because of the language barrier. The original manuscripts (ancient Hebrew and Aramaic scriptures) were translated to Greek and Latin. In fact, from the year 800 AD to 1539 AD, Latin was the only language of the Bible. Because of the continuous waves of translations; Aramaic, to Greek, to Latin, to English; Christians most definitely and seriously handicapped any attempts to faithfully translate the original author's intended meanings. This problem, all thanks be to the Almighty (swt), has been completely avoided in the Qur'an, since it has remained from the time of its inspiration to the present day in the same language it was originally revealed in, the Arabic Language. The Arabic Language has remained a living language from that day to this, and the book itself has always been in the hands of the people and not "the elite."

The foremost miracle of the Qur'an is in its text. The text of the Arabic language. You can not translate a miracle no matter how you may try. The Arabic language can not be compared to any other language in its intricate complexity, diversity of form, richness of meaning, brevity of parlance, beauty of construct and power of delivery.

Q: I am spiritually confused! What should I do?

A: You owe it to yourself to search for the truth, and I am sure if you have an honest intention searching for the truth, God (swt) will aid you in your endeavor. Read more about Islam and weigh your options. Read more about the early revelations & messengers of God (swt) and comprehend their law & guidance that they had conveyed to their people at that time, then compare all present religions and see which one coincide with the early revelations.

Q: But I am satisfied with my own belief, so why should I pursue other religion in the first place?

A: Remember, mankind has a free will to do whatever he desires, and we are all held accountable for what we do. If you are content with your religion, then you are solely responsible for your actions & belief and no one else.

Q: Is it true the Quran has scientific and medical facts?

A: Yes it is. But remember though, the Quran is not a scientific book. The Quran carries a divine message and guidance from the Almighty (swt) to all mankind. This message touches upon all aspects of human's life including science and medical aspects. When people embraced Islam, it wasn't because of the scientific facts the Quran brought forward, but rather because of the divine message in the belief of the One, the Almighty (swt). People embraced Islam because Islam is a simple religion that is sensible and harmonize with the human instinct. Islam is a complete way of life that is based on fairness, equality, and purity amongst all mankind.

Q: How do I become a Muslim?

A: Unlike other religions, Islam doesn't have certain rituals or baptism by religious groups or individuals. All you need to do is to declare the Testimony (Shahadatan). The Testimony is: "I testify that there is no God but Allah, and Mohammad is the Messenger of Allah". Once you establish this pure belief in your heart, then you can proceed unto the rest of the pillars of Islam. Many Islamic foundations and Mosques will be able to help you getting started learning about Islam..

Q: I noticed various Islamic Sects! Could you list them for me?

A: About 84 % of Muslims are Sunni, the word Sunni is based on the word Sunnah which is an Arabic word means the Prophet's Doctrine. Sunnis believe in Allah (swt) as the One Creator and Mohammad is His last and final Messenger. Also, Sunnis believe in the Quran and Sunnah as the two main sources of Islam. There are, however, Muslim bunches who deviated from the right path of Islam such as: Shia, Baha'i, Sufi, Ahmadiya, etc. So be cautious in knowing who you are dealing with.

Q: What is the total number of Muslims around the world?

A: 1997 Statistics shows a population of 1.78 Billion Muslim. Click here for more details.

Q: Could you list some Islamic countries in the world?

A: Sure, please click here for the list.

Q: Why do Muslims pray so much, you know, 5 times a day! Isn't belief in Allah enough?

A: Besides the fact it's a Commandment from the Almighty (swt), the prayer (Salah) is considered to be a continuos and daily discipline for Muslims. It's true we have the belief in One God (swt) and His messenger Mohammad (pbuh) embedded in our hearts, but like earlier Muslims, God (swt) has proscribed Laws and Commandments for us to observe and adhere to. When we pray, we recite the Quran that has God's genuine words and directions. We also offer supplications and blessings to God (swt). The line of communication between Muslims and God (swt) never slows down ever. The prayer (Salah) itself is considered a supplication to the Almighty (swt).

Q: Is it true that the Bible had prophesied many Islamic Events?

A: Yes it had. The Bible had clearly prophesied the Conquest of Jerusalem at the time of the Muslim Caliph, Omar Ibn Al-Khattab. In the year 637 AD, The people of Jerusalem, mostly Christians & Jews, refused to give up Jerusalem without a personal pledge from Omar that he will spare their lives and let them practice their religion freely and without restraints. Omar traveled from Medina to Jerusalem on an Ass, when the people of Jerusalem saw him, they ran outside welcoming him since Omar had fulfilled a prophecy in the Bible: The Bible says: ZECHARIAH 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy Leader cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass."

Also the Bible had prophesied the Conquest of Mecca by prophet Mohammad (pbuh) along with his 10,000 followers (Sahaba) in 630 AD. DEUTERONOMY 33:2 " And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and he came with 10,000 of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them."

Q: But Mohammad doesn't relate to Abraham?

A: False. Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) is a direct descendent of Prince Kedar. Kedar was the second son of Ishmael, and the children of Kedar later formed a tribe called Quraish, which is Mohammad's tribe. The Bible says: GENESIS 25:13-18 " And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam, . And Mishma, and Dumah, and Massa, . Hadar, and Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah: . These are the sons of Ishmael, and these are their names, by their towns, and by their castles; twelve princes according to their nations……"

Q: So what about Ishmael! How does he fit in the picture?

A: From the early prophecies found in the Bible. God (swt) blessed Ishmael with twelve sons (princes) and God made a great nation (Muslim nation) from his seed, through prophet Mohammad (pbuh) that reaches from the Euphrates to the Nile forever. The Bible says: GENESIS 17:20 " And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation."

Q: Christians believe that Jesus is the way and their Only Savior, could you give me a solid proof to indicate otherwise?

A: Yes I could, and again, it will be from the Bible. The Bible says: ISAIAH 43:9-11 " Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth. . Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. . I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no Savior."

God (swt) said, to let all nations and people gather together to bear witness to this truth (Islam), and know that I (God) have chosen my servant (Mohammad). And that He is God with none other before or after. The Chapter talks about all nations being unified under one flag (Islam). Also, In verse 11, God very clearly and categorically stated that He is the Only Savior and none else.

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Niels sander - 2/21/2006

If I do that again, i quit, and sory for You
Canada is a STATE with rather many PARALLEL SOCIATIES within it. Its erreally kind of experience to walk in Chinatown, Toronto, and interessting to hear some canadians talking about the jjapanese, and maybee chise, takeover of Vancouver. My , very good, friends in Eskimo Point, Baker Lake and Iqaliut, together with to wonderfull friens from the Dene Nation, plus .. I am sure, haven`t asked, my french is to bad.. the good people of Quebec will admit, that Canada is a STATE of many NATIONS, not always interfering with each other without nearky beeing forced to it.
Denmark is very small. We are a rather coherent NATION on a very small place. We dont mean that we have neither space nor capacity to accept "paralel societies". We welcome people coming from the rest of the world, as long as they either wisot us, or if they wa

Please dont respond to any idiot picking a fight!

Mark Linham - 2/20/2006

Mosa:

You're engaging in a psychological vice known as projecting:

The jealousy, or more precisely, the *envy* is yours.. of others for what you have failed at: moral pride, including such things as earthly success, freedom, and even the minimal self-respect required to refuse abject surrender to abysmal stupidity.

Slater - 2/20/2006

You're missing the obvious here.

We don't believe in your invisible friend, that you call Allah.

Why would we be jealous?

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/20/2006

Listen Mr. "Canada is the land of freedom". I am an immigrant in the west, and let me say it to you straight. I have been to Canada twice before, and to several countries in Europe.

Immigration is not a right, it's a privilege. Most of those who move to the west after waiting for months and years should be very appreciative to the countries that they kissed "####" to get into.

Once there, if you don't like the country, you either try to make a peaceful and lawful change, adjust to your new country, or simply LEAVE.

To go on a tour of the middle east enticing revenge and spreading lies that resulted in this mess is a crime, and I truly believe that anyone involved in that tour should be jailed then deported to their "dreamland".

After September 11th, I was asked along with all other immigrants in the U.S. to register with the INS. I was so proud to be in America that day when the immigration officer addressed me as "sir" and was using the word "please" more than you used "immigrants" in your posts. I am a middle eastern with an obvious middle eastern name.

Why am I so happy to be respected as a human? You would think that should be expected… It's very simple... if this was a government office in a middle eastern country, insults and humiliation are a way of business there UNLESS you have some $$$ which then solves all your problems.

Of course, that is unless someone with connections is mad at you... at that point, unless you have similar or stronger connections, you might never get anything done.

Does this example give you an idea why so many immigrants want to move to "horrible" Denmark and the west?

I really did not want to honor your ignorance with a response but since you obviously have no clue what you are talking about, I thought this might help set the record straight.

Dear Tom,

I dont know if you have heart but there's a big landslide in Philipine, a lot of people dead and hurt out there...

Danish Red Cross have just sent 1,1 mio US dollar...
Canadian Red Cross sent 43,000 US dollar...

You still think we are the bad guys???

while we are sending them over 1 mio dollar they was burning our flags in there streets!!!!

Like the one called Aalborg Akvavit, or the other snaps from this brand "De Danske Spritfabrikker".

But please buy them outside denmark, as we have soo high taxes on alcohol!

M.T. - 2/18/2006

Denmark has one of europes biggest cinemaindustries - check this link for titles:

http://www.moviemail-online.co.uk/countries/Denmark

I can recommend:

Strings: A beautiful and giant-scale, US-style drama, played by puppets (and puppeteers) from all over the world - really stunning!

Brothers: with danish Hollywood actress Connie Nielsen (Gladiator, The Hunted)

Inheritance: Beautiful film about a man transformed by power, unvulingtarily taking over the family firm.

Reconstruction: One of the most beautifully shot films, with a twisted storyline - in copenhagen! (no burning flags, though!)

Festen: (THe Celebration) - a different danish take on a difficult subject; mesmorising.

All of Carl Th. Dreyer's work - one of the worlds best known earlier directors.

I dont know where to buy them in the US - but heres the titles anyway... Enjoy!

M.T. - 2/18/2006

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

Absolutely Guf - We must differ between religious humans, and religious human crazies!

The thing is that if the brainpowers of Islam do not believe in an ontological objective reality, I just do not understand why we aren't hearing more from these people in a public social Context. Why have these Muslim brainpowers not decided to unite with the rest of the democratic world against the oppression of Muslims. If this is in fact the way most Muslims sees Islam, how can some fanatic Imams keep on preaching every friday in front of huge crowds?

Ensan

But but but using post modern theory as your prefered optic will, as I see it, be a step across the "but". By using post modern theory you must admit that Allah is in fact not one. Allah is percieved by every individual and therefore there must be as many representations of Allah as there are Muslims in the world.

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

Here are some buy Danish links that may be of assistance to you:

http://www.buydanish.net/

http://buydanish.home.comcast.net/products.htm

http://supportdenmark.com/

http://www.danishfood.net/

http://www.danishexporters.dk/scripts/danishexporters/danishexporters_forside.asp

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

Agreed! In both Denmark and the U.S.A.!

Slater - 2/18/2006

Learn what? To be a big bunch of weak faggots?

I smell a troll. It simply isn't humanly possible to be as stupid as you without trying.

James Z. - 2/18/2006

Hi Darion,
I too am an American, and I have also had some trouble finding Danish products outside of cheese (I think I've gained like 10 pounds since exclusively eating Danish cheese). I think America doesn't carry a lot of European goods/food outside of beer. Anyway, I agree with M.T. about the internet, a lot of the stuff is pretty cheap for bulk orders. I don't remember any exact internet sites, but just type "Buy Danish" in google, and you should be fine.

Thomas DK - 2/18/2006

"Disclaimer: Hilsner der ikke lever op til sidens formål om at skabe tolerance og respekt, vil ikke blive offentliggjort."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
If you don't agree we won't publish your oppinion.
Great way to show respect and tollerance. You guys are cute ;-)

M.T. - 2/18/2006

If you cant get it in the stores - try the internet!
I always buy stuff in the US trough the net, if i'm not able to find it here!

And cheers, I'm amazed by the support!

Darion - 2/18/2006

HI GUYS. I am posting to try and start awareness of how few danish products I've been able to run into here in caly, it seems amazing to me actually because i even planned to be on a strict "danish diet" for a fw weeks , but all i could end up with was cheese, this was commitment after my no-dairy 'raw-food diet' I'd been on, no carlsberg around here ir any other danish beer I've been ready to spot. UMmm, also I find it funny because of the culture and state of awareness out here as far as nobody wanting dairy which is hormone pumped etc. Everyone is aware already that E.U products are considered more "ORGANIC" out here in California so, perhaps the Danish can open some new markets?? I've visited every liqour and Grocery market in 20 miles around, NOthing but cheese!.. which is really good by the way.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/18/2006

This might help:
http://www.al-bab.com/arab/science.htm
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9045366

The people who lived in what later became the Muslim world were very advanced in math, medicine and other sciences.

Islam is not anti-science, but that science should not contradict Islamic teachings. There always seems to be a
"but"!

Darion - 2/18/2006

HI GUYS,

Rick (Dane) - 2/18/2006

Hmmm...
First off, I love Canada. Some of my family migrated to Calgary way back, and at the same time some of my friends migrated to Toronto as well. But their experience by getting into Canada, by London has been just as difficult as our newly passed laws in Denmark. We keep getting hit in the head for our newly passed laws on fugitives and imigrations, but this has nothing to do with the actual case regarding some drawings depicted in Jyllands-Posten.
Your are and most others are right, the Danish meltingpot might not be as great as in the US, sorry but I am not including Canada, but we might be getting there - BUT not by making religion more important than laws.

Laws are the cornerstones in a democratic country. We are not to moralize others no matter their inheritance, including other western cultures and newspapers, but as long as the obey the laws, we can only accept their position. No matter far right or far left or even fanatics.

The Danish PM should NEVER appologize for something he has no control of.
And unless we change to a policestate or a dictatorship he will never gain this kind of control.

In Denmark we have seen many moderate muslims demonstrate, not against the childlike cartoons, but against the uproar we have seen in the middleeast and asia.
BUT actually the worst part of this case is not the uproar world wide, but that the far right all over is getting more followers due to the outrageous fanatic muslim behavior we have seen so far.
And what a shame, i would have loved the EU to have open borders rather than similiar conditions of what you see at the Texas-Mexican border.

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

1. Fire the editor

That would be an act against freedom of press. This is the way it has been handle in several muslim countries...

2. Nation-wide gathering to promote Muslim-West relations

We are doing all we can to integrate muslims in danish society. But doing a gathering at the moment would really be an anticlimax I think. Many muslims aren't ready for a gathering. It takes "two" to do a gathering.
But don't be mistaken - we are living in peace here in the North. We have had no mentionable violence in relation to this conflict within Denmark.

3. PM must not apologize as he has been: "i apologize...but free speech.."; instead he must state flat-out that he apologizes, no "ifs", "buts"

Still even if he did this, it would not change anything in relation to our opinion of a free press. We will not have the free press controled by Islam our any other "power". Or should we listen to the Muslims and regulate the laws in relation to the press?

4. Remove troops from Afghan and Iraq

You must be a leftist?. The troops are there to help the Muslims, and not to hurt them. Did you ever see the old Kabul. It was horrible!

5. Some celebratory event to promote Islam integration in Danish society...it could be anything, like a sporting event or concert

Anyone can make such an event. And today muslims and Danes gathered in a peacedemonstration in Copenhagen.
Buy I don't think many Danes are feeling a need to party while TV-spots keeps on showing our PM and the Danish Flag on fire. And while we are hearing Muslims shout "Death to Denmark" etc...

6. Study Canadian immigration, and learn

This looks pretty much like the answer I have gotten from many Muslims. Study the Quran and learn. Well tell you what the Danes are a very educated people - and even though everyone should always be inspired to learn more, your very statement makes me take one step backwards.

"Follow the man who seeks the truth, flee he who has found it."

Europe cultur goes way back. It's a totally different scenario, and we really do not have anywhere to look in relation to solving the immigration problems. We will have to create new ways to solve this problem. Of course we can learn from other countries - but no one holds an immigration solution that can be directly tranfered to Europe just like that. If someone had that solution we would have copied it a long time ago...

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/18/2006

Greata debate, thank you for the link!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/18/2006

Bus, please provide me with your embassy's addresses around the globe. I feel like burning some embassies in retaliation to your inflammatory speech. While at it, send me some flags to burn too please.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/18/2006

I like that hasan does not throw personal insults too. I don't like that he does his intellectual "thinking" by copying and pasting from the web:

http://forums.contractoruk.com/nextnewesttothread2916.html

Did you notice the lack of intelligent responses if at all?

M.T. - 2/18/2006

Tom, how many of the muslim community in Canada works, and contributes to the nation?

Holly - 2/18/2006

I will just let your reply stand all by it self for all to see!!!!!!!!!!!
Oink oink to you!

infidel - 2/18/2006

Hasan,

The argument is not that other religions, infidels are 100% pure. However, the balance of power WITHIN these infidel systems exists in such a way that the sensible infidels OVERWHELM the crazies. ;)

Otherwise the islamic world would have been wiped off the face of the earth in retaliation for 9/11, 3/11, 7/7 and Beslan. Beslan was the worst in my judgment.

By the way, I have noticed that you don't throw personal insults in any of your posts, isnpite of some serious attempts at ridicule by certain "christians" ;). I admire you for that. We want MORE Hasans and less Osamas. (and less Canucks, Allah willing)

Love

infidel - 2/18/2006

As long as you keep lumping moslems with the other sensible non-moslem immigrants -black, white, brown, yellow, pink, mauve - you do not grasp whats at stake.

Now go back and read that sentence again ;)

By "moslem" I do not mean the likes of Fareed Zakaria in the U.S, or Khader in Denmark. These are glaring exceptions. Islam is a politcal ideology as well as "religious". It sees the world divided into black and white - House of Islam and House of WAR.

House of Islam and House of WAR!.

Even if you assumed that 95% of the moslems are sensible, and modern in their outlook, the 5% (Hopefully 5% is not too optimistic ;)), becomes a serious, dangerous element to their host societies AND most importantly, to the SENSIBLE moslems. This pattern has been repeated time and again in Europe. Britain is not an "immigrant" country in the sense of America or Canada, yet they have tried to integrate the moslems; They have moslem Lords in the house of Lords. What they got in return for these attempts was 7/7; and placards threatening more.

Islam can exist only in a state of absolute superiority; its the nature of the beast.

Any attempts by the infidels - secular humanists, nihilists, anarchists(Russia ;)), republicans (USA), socialists (France, scandinavia), atheists(china), christians (Britain,U.S), jews (israel), hindus (India), buddhists (thailand), animists (Sudan, Nigeria) - to question this attempt at supremacy is IMMEDIATELY branded "oppression" ...and the war begins. Islam is involved in conflagrations with all these countries - a veritably "multicultural" cross-section of humanity ;).

Its the BIG picture that you need to worry about; and not, that highly refined indian moslem immigrant doctor in your neighborhood who is intellectually and "spiritually" closer to Thomas Jefferson and John Locke than to Mohammad. Otherwise you are indirectly, unwittingly, tolerating intolerance, and being condescending towards moderate moslems who are trying to break free of this medieval cult. By the way, the punishment for "leaving" islam is death. Integrate THAT. ;)

Muhammad Mosa - 2/18/2006

I wish one thing, to meet you both and kill you.

M.T. - 2/18/2006

You are wrong about denmark, Tom, actually the integration is really good in denmark (aks the immigrants), but off course we have problems - but your "inflamatory speech" sounds like you got it wrong!

When the discussion comes to Canada and the US in denmark, its always because You achieved to attract the people who likes to contribute, who has education, while the danish immigrants are harder to integrate! I dont say that the danish state cant do better on integration - but your version is totally wrong - I dont know where you got that idea (from som islamist site, or?!)
The danes are a real peaceful people, and the reason 12% voted for the popular people parti (the right wing), was because nobody had adressed the rising problems with integration - so they scored some cheap points. But dont you think that we allow our society to be split up - a lot of people are using this unfortunate incident to promotye their own little agenda, spreading misinformation; some of it reached you, I guess!

And no, theres is less or no problems with other immigrants in denmark - and thats not to say that the muslims are not welcome - they are MOST CERTAINLY welcome - if they integrate, follow the law of the land, and work (both sexes, like we do in the west. I think almost any women of the older generation is on welfare)

So stop this meassuring - I think we can learn from you, but I also think you can learn from us! Different problems, different meassures - understand!?

Muhammad Mosa - 2/18/2006

Yes, I know that 90% of you live like pigs

Tom Tolbene - 2/18/2006

Our "time of Muslim anger" will never come, because we know how to integrate all of our citizens, not just those that fit our definition of "White Christian"

You're right, Canada is much larger than Denmark, meaning we should have more chances for violent anger between traditional Canadians and immigrants, but so far we have had less problems than Europe, especially Denmark.

Why is that?

Tom Tolbene - 2/18/2006

It seems that I haven't been able to communicate my opinion (and that of many Canadians): IF YOU HAD FOLLOWED CANADIAN PRINCIPLES OF IMMIGRATION, YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER HAD THIS PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH.

As for how to correct the problem now, I would suggest:

1. Fire the editor
2. Nation-wide gathering to promote Muslim-West relations
3. PM must not apologize as he has been: "i apologize...but free speech.."; instead he must state flat-out that he apologizes, no "ifs", "buts"
4. Remove troops from Afghan and Iraq
5. Some celebratory event to promote Islam integration in Danish society...it could be anything, like a sporting event or concert
6. Study Canadian immigration, and learn

infidel - 2/18/2006

Canada can fit hundreds of denmarks into its territory. Canada is a new country; Denmark is a ethnically homogenous white christian country.
These are two GLARING differences, but to get to the theme at hand:

"Immigrant"s?

Are the Europeans being provoked into such mass antipathy, by the NON-MOSLEM chinese, indian, vietnamese, african, south american, caribbean and arab immigrants who are ALSO living in Europe without provoking their generous hosts?

Considering that the movement towards Sharia was stopped in canada by the petitions brave moslem women, one should'nt be surprised at such glib, supercilious, emanations from allegedly "tolerant" canadians. Your time will come, when the moslem populations reach a critical mass. Then we'll see whos being "tolerant". ;)

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

I was actually corrected by my social study teacher as a kid while living in The States. I told her that Denmark surely wasn't the capital in Holland. But she refused to accept my knowledge. Couple days later she apologized. I won't ever forget it. But nice to hear you have figured out the difference. And keep on buying that danish chees.

infidel - 2/18/2006

Total Danish export to moslem countries: $1.6 billion out of $78billion. Impact to Denmark's GDP will be at around 0.5%.
But there are a couple of good things that are coming out of this
1. The boycott is backfiring and more Americans are now buying Danish products. Anecdotal evidence: I was trying to find Danish havarti cheese at a store here in northern virginia and the section was almost empty. All the danish cheese was gone.
2. Americans are finally realizing that "Danish" and "Dutch" don't mean the same. Two different countries. yes. ;) ;)

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

"This value prevents us from using "freedom of speech" as an excuse for inflammatory speech and behavior."

You have fallen below my waistline. Sorry buddy - Communication meltdown I have asked you an upright question you seem to be ignoring!

Tom Tolbene - 2/18/2006

I have read many posts, and have come to the conclusion that many Americans and other Europeans are blindly supporting the Danish. The Canadians, at least on these posts, seem to value sense and reason rather than irrational inflammatory behavior towards people of a particular religion or ethnic background.

I really think you must learn from Canadian immigration, or more importantly, Canadian attitude toward immigration. We do not feel threatened by immigrants, instead, we value their contribution. This value prevents us from using "freedom of speech" as an excuse for inflammatory speech and behavior.

Guf - 2/18/2006

You can't - that's why good muslims read books and evolve as religious people, and bad muslims read Al Qaeda literature, burn kill and threat!
We must differ between religious humans, and religious crazies!

Bus - 2/18/2006

Pomerol - dont think too much about it, or you will go grap a gun and do something silly...we are civilized here, in the face terror and hipocrasy.
If the muslim world wants to show distance to terror - they've succeded in doing the reverse!

Bus - 2/18/2006

Well, the arab world isn't exactly a place for peace and relaction is it?:
Maybe an arsenist congress, or a jew defamation-contest, or a build-a-bomb for children (as opposed to "Build-a-bear")... Sorry for being this sarchastic - I will fire the editor emidiately and denounce my right to breathe!

Slater - 2/18/2006

Nice to know I'm not all alone ;)

But it does seem we'll have to start our own parties to get some leftism with an attitude.

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

Good for you. Since you didn't know of these products, I guess your personal boycott won't do you much good. Status Quo

If anything it will take some of your precious time - In the mean while I will go to work an pay my taxes in order for the Danish Government to support Muslims in the need of help! Think about that for a moment....

Danny Sukada - 2/18/2006

It is good that I obtained a complete list of Danish product from the site "Buy Danish Product". That way I know exactly which goods I have to avoid buying.

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

Hear! Hear! Slater,

Looks like you and I were cut from the same philosophical cloth, as it were.

What you've said here also describes me to a "T": extreme left (libertarian-socialist, or anarchist). And I can't stand the kind of morally-cowardly, ersatz "leftist" politicos who want to roll over on their backs to be kicked, or to facilitate their fellow countrymen being kicked. We have plenty like that here in the United States, too. I sometimes find myself cursing them even more than I curse the right-wingers for the advance of tyranny. I believe if it weren't for these phony "liberals", fascism (of whatever kind) wouldn't stand a chance!

Your implication is correct: being liberal does NOT mean you have to be weak and stupid.

Bless you, brother!

Slater - 2/18/2006

Very sad indeed.

Slater - 2/18/2006

But why are you talking about fundamentalist Christians?

Do you have some crazy notion that all who are not Muslim must be Catholics?

Slater - 2/18/2006

That's great. Apparently not all Canadians are as retarded as a certain Canadian on this board.

Slater - 2/18/2006

Well I'm a leftist. An extreme leftist even. But I am finding it very hard to support the left-wing parties in Denmark after this conflict.

Why is it that you apparently cannot be left-wing without also asking to be manipulated, used and pushed in the background in our own country by rabid religious fundamentalists and west-hating foreigners?

I think we should do what we can to help the persecuted and poor, but the LEAST I would expect from those people we help, is a little bit of gratitude.
When someone who hasn't even received Danish citizenship yet rapes Danish girls because they don't have veils, or travel around the ME spreading lies and inciting riots against Denmark, KICK THEM THE FUCK OUT before then can say "death to alle Danes".

I really don't get it. Where is it written that being a socialist means you have to be weak and stupid and let everyone do to you what they want?

I'm gonna be at my biggest dilemma yet at next election. I can't vote for these pussies, but I sure won't vote right either.

Shit.

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

Ersatz leftists:

It is not evil to confidently, and boldly, stand for principles. The only political evil is the initiation - or the threat of initiation - of force.

You do not escape, or defeat, an evil of this kind by compromising with it - as in "apologizing" to Muslims who are demanding the suppression of dissent. You merely embolden that evil by failing to take an intransigent stand.

There is a brand of liberalism (not conservatism) that contains within it the warning: "Don't Tread On Me" (one of our - the U.S.'s - revolutionary flags). We will not tolerate being "pushed around". Nor do we, a growing and influential subgroup of westerners, stand for such treatment of others. About this essential matter there can be no compromises, or apologies!

It is the instigators of violence (for whatever the reason), not artists who've drawn a cartoon (however offensive), that owe the rest of the world an apology.

Slater - 2/18/2006

Screw your God. He's against democracy as well.

Slater - 2/18/2006

Have you heard? There's a great new invention out. It's called A LIFE!
Why don't you go get one?

Slater - 2/18/2006

You are still proving that Canadians are so much more stupid than Danes.

Now, let me try and cut this out for you, so even a retarded Canadian can understand:

IT WAS NOT A MISTAKE.

Do you get it? Now, YOU might think it was wrong, but that's your right. There are Danes who think the same thing, that that is their right. But it does NOT chance the fact that the newspaper had the right to do it.

Your right to say it was wrong is covered by the same laws of free speech as JP's right to publish the cartoons.

Do you get why you are not making sense?

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

"Pomerol, your questions has a deep root in the age of enlightenment"

I realize that my question has deep roots going back to the ages of enlightenment. But still, I wonder how at least Muslims holding academic degrees can believe in these statements and at the same time write books about postmodern theory - social constructionism ect.
It really doesn't make sense to me. How are you able to handle these two opposite worlds without getting very dizzy? No academic muslim or non-muslim can be taken serious if they start preaching about an ontological objective reality.
Only Imams can do that kind of preaching..

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

I can't sign either. The leftist might as well start handing out free yellowstars and categorized the Danes in the good and the evil. I'm sure glad not that many Danes support "another Denmark".

I my opinion "another denmark" will in fact contribute to even more misunderstanding between Danes and Muslims. Since some Muslims will probably consider me and the rest of the Danes (the majority) an enemy, due to the fact we wouldn't ever dream of signing it.

Leftist have good hearts, but sometimes they do not take into consideration that their willingness and methods used to promote peace might be dangering the peace they are fighting for themselves.

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

You're right, Hasan.

We must defeat all irrationalists and deniers of human rights, be they Christian, Muslim, Jews, Hindus, or ersatz secularists.

Our quarrel is not with Islam, but with Islam, Christian fundamentalism - or anything else - that is used as a vehicle for threatening life and liberty.

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

You bastards are about to eliminate that last remaining thread of liberal restraint in the West. When that happens, you won't have hundreds of years. Your time will then be up.

Have a good day.

Pomerol - 2/18/2006

Is it possible for moderate muslims the end the boycott if you wanted to, or would you be considered untrue to Allah if you showed any sign of understanding directed towards the west. I got the feeling that it is not possible for you to show your opinion publicly without having to face serious disciplinary consequences by the Ummah. Please correct me, if I'm wrong in this assumption.

Secondly won't the boycott backfire bigtime. I used to travel to the ME myself quite a lot. But this summer I won't be contributing to the prosperity of you countries by making my yearly summervisit. I fear that might be too dangerous at the moment. How about the rest of you infidels -where are your sails set for this upcoming summer. Are you going to visit muslim countries or will you be following me and probably many others who find it more safe to stay within the boundaries of the western countries?

Holly - 2/18/2006

I don't really care whats in the quoran and i dont want to explore islam simply because i don't care about it..

Do you want to explore Denmark and the Danish people and our way of living???????

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

European,

Postscript: It may be eventually, or at any point in the interim, that it may not be possible to protect all Muslim moderates.

The right to self defense is also absolute and non-negotiable, as well: Any deaths of moderates resulting from our war (and currently, it is indeed a war) against Islamicist terrorism are the fault of Islamicist extremists. The (semi) free (Western) world, America, Europe, etc, is not to blame for those casualties. In the act of self defense one is not morally obligated to hold one's fire because an innocent may be harmed. Any loss of life in a war is only the fault of the aggressor. And the aggressor always is the side that blatantly and utterly denies human rights, not the side that either fully, or partially, recognizes and protects those rights.

As I suggested earlier, in order for the moderates to be safe, they must do whatever it takes to remove themselves from the environs of Islamic totalitarianism. But this would be true anyway because of the manifestly anti-life nature of totalitarian/terrorist regimes.

sdfhg - 2/18/2006

But do you see a worlwide rampaging cult, murdering and burning everything in its way?

Mr. Bripspitch - 2/18/2006

Muslims in europe in the middle ages, were enlightened: they had a great ability to suck up knowledge from the countries they entered, blending it with their own, and valued it highly (building libaries and so on)

The enlightenment period is later, and the most importent period for the western world, and how we live today!
We are living in different worlds, and I think in many ways, that its because islam has not evolved into modernity - and we now witness a primitivism (sharia, lack of human/womens rights, and so forth)
Every religion becomes angry when mocked - but ONLY islam starts burning and killing, in order to tell the world that islam is a peacefull religion... its not good!

M.T. - 2/18/2006

I totally agree Holly!
But I understand that the leftist in denmark does this - this is what they always do, and I think its ok (a little scared, but ok!)

We are a broad kind of people - but I think that NO ONE in danmark will give up on free speech! This is the way we are, and have been ever - sarchastic and direct to the point - we are not used to this religious dogmas - and we will never tolerate it; but we know the concept of respect!

hasan - 2/18/2006

There are many ignorant minds wandering on this board who have developed this notion that Islam is the only religion with extremists. I'm putting forward a few examples of some prominent christians found in the US today:

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Family Research Council
[W]hile it is true that the United States of America was founded on the sacred principle of religious freedom for all, that liberty was never intended to exalt other religions to the level that Christianity holds in our country's heritage. Our Founders expected that Christianity -- and no other religion -- would receive support from the government as long as that support did not violate peoples' consciences and their right to worship. They would have found utterly incredible the idea that all religions, including paganism, be treated with equal deference. As for our Hindu priest friend, the United States is a nation that has historically honored the one true God. Woe be to us on that day when we relegate him to being merely one among countless other deities in the pantheon of theologies.

Culture Facts newsletter 9/21/2000 (commenting on a Hindu priest giving the opening prayer in the House of Representatives)

Pat Buchanan
Our culture is superior. Our culture is superior because our religion is Christianity and that is the truth that makes men free.

Speech to the Christian Coalition, September 1993

David Chilton
The god of Judaism is the devil. The Jew will not be recognized by God as one of His chosen people until he abandons his demonic religion and returns to the faith of his fathers - the faith which embraces Jesus Christ and His Gospel.

The Days of Vengeance: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation (1984)

Ann Coulter
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Newspaper Column, September 2001.

Tom DeLay
Ladies and gentlemen, Christianity offers the only viable, reasonable, definitive answer to the questions of 'Where did I come from?' 'Why am I here?' 'Where am I going?' 'Does life have any meaningful purpose?' Only Christianity offers a way to understand that physical and moral border. Only Christianity offers a comprehensive worldview that covers all areas of life and thought, every aspect of creation. Only Christianity offers a way to live in response to the realities that we find in this world -- only Christianity.

House Majority Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) at the First Baptist Church of Pearland, Texas, on April 12, 2002

Gary DeMar
The long term goal [is] the execution of abortionists and parents who hire them. If we argue that abortion is murder, then we must call for the death penalty.

Ruler of the Nations (1987)

Jerry Falwell
I do not believe the homosexual community deserves minority status. One's misbehavior does not qualify him or her for minority status. Blacks, Hispanics, women, etc. are God-ordained minorities who do indeed deserve minority status.

USA Today. Quoted from: The Religious Freedom Coalition.

Jerry Falwell
If we are going to save America and evangelize the world, we cannot accommodate secular philosophies that are diametrically opposed to Christian truth.

"Moral Majority Report," September, 1984.

Jerry Falwell
The decline in American pride, patriotism, and piety can be directly attributed to the extensive reading of so-called 'science fiction' by our young people. This poisonous rot about creatures not of God's making, societies of 'aliens' without a good Christian among them, and raw sex between unhuman beings with three heads and God alone knows what sort of reproductive apparatus keeps our young people from realizing the true will of God.

"Can Our Young People Find God in the Pages of Trashy Magazines? No, Of Course Not!" Reader's Digest, Aug. 1985: p142-157.

Jeff Fugate
If you don't want a Christian nation, then go to one of the many nations that are heathen already, rather than perverting ours.
You're welcome to come, but leave your religions, your bibles, all your other things back where you came from.
Islam and America are opposites. They hate us. They want to kill us. I'm not anti-Jewish or anti-Catholic. I'm anti-Islam because that religion right there is anti-American.

Jeff Fugate, pastor of Clays Mill Road Baptist Church, Lexington, KY, July 3, 2002.

Jerry Falwell
Most American children do not know that this is a Christian nation... [O]ur Constitution won't work in Russia, won't work in Haiti, won't work in Iraq. It only works where the people believe in the Christ of the Bible. The United States of America.

"Sunday Live with Jerry Falwell," July 23, 1995

D. James Kennedy
This is our land. This is our world. This is our heritage, and with God's help, we shall reclaim this nation for Jesus Christ. And no power on earth can stop us.

Character & Destiny: A Nation in Search of Its Soul (1994)

Francis J. Lally
The Church doesn't believe in book-burning, but it believes in restricting the use of dangerous books among those whose minds are unprepared for them.

Francis J. Lally, American Roman Catholic Monsignor. Interview with Mike Wallace, 1958.

Francis J. Lally
The Church has through the centuries, understood that ideas are really more dangerous than other weapons. Their use should be restricted.

Francis J. Lally, American Roman Catholic Monsignor. Interview with Mike Wallace, 1958.

Joseph Morecraft
Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol.

Rev. Joseph Morecraft, Chalcedon Presbyterian Church, "Biblical Role of Civil Government" speech delivered on August 21, 1993 at the Biblical Worldview and Christian Education Conference.

Gary North
So let us be blunt about it: We must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will be get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God.
"The Intellectual Schizophrenia of the New Christian Right" in Christianity and Civilization: The Failure of the American Baptist Culture, No. 1 (Spring, 1982), p. 25.

Gary North
This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians.

Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (1989)

Gary North
The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant - baptism and holy communion - must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel.
Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism (1989)

Bailey Smith
With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew.
Bailey Smith, a founder of Pat Robertson's Christian Coalition, speaking during a Religious Roundtable briefing in Dallas, Texas, on June 26, 1994

Jimmy Swaggart
The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?

The Evangelist, January 1988

Randall Terry
What this is coming down to is who runs the country. It's us against them. It's the good guys versus the bad guys. It's the God-fearing people against the pagans, and some of the pagans are going to church.

Speech in Jackson, Mississippi, April 1992

Randall Terry
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a biblical duty, we are called on by God to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism.

The News Sentinel, (Fort Wayne, Indiana), August 16, 1993.

Randall Terry
The next step, if at all humanly possible (and in 90% of the cases it is), it is to get our children out of the humanistic, brianwashing institution called `public education.' Frankly, it is a mixture of insanity and irresponsibility to turn our children over to our adversaries and their curriculum in a God-less education system (i.e., a system that teaches history and science without God).

Why Does a Nice Guy Like Me Keep Getting Thrown in Jail? (1993)

Randall Terry
America is under the judgment of God. And if we are ever going to rebuild this country, it must be under God's law. Our goal must be simple: We must have a Christian nation built on God's law, on the Ten Commandments. No apologies.

Speech to "Cities of Refuge" campaign, Willoughby Hills, Ohio, July, 1993.

Randall Terry
When I, or people like me, are running the country, you'd better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we'll execute you. I mean every word of it. I will make it part of my mission to see to it that they are tried and executed.

Randall Terry, founder of Operation Rescue. Speech before the U.S. Taxpayers Alliance on doctors who perform abortions. August 8, 1995

M.T. - 2/18/2006

"TIM SEBASTIAN
A lady right at the back, you got your hand up first. Your question, please.
AUDIENCE Q (F)
This question is for the panel speaking against this motion. What lesson would the journalists learn from the recent Danish publications of the cartoon pictures of the Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him? What can we gain from that?
TIM SEBASTIAN
This is about the cartoons which appeared in Danish and Norwegian magazines for which they have apologised, which were said to be anti-Islamic.
ABDALLAH SCHLEIFER
Yes, exactly. Number one, they've apologised. Number two, it isn't journalism. Those are cartoons and it's sensationalism. Number three, the protests against it have been widely reported in the Western and American media, including the Danish press, and number four, I have seen over the last five years - and I say this as a Muslim and embarrassed - some of the nastiest comments about Christianity and Judaism appearing in the Arab press, and nobody apologises for it, I mean, really scandalous stuff. I apologise as a Muslim.
TIM SEBASTIAN
What do you think it says? You asked the question.
AUDIENCE Q (F)
It's still part of journalism to sell a newspaper and an apology doesn't say anything, it's not there, it's in the internet, it's on newspapers, I mean, it doesn't really stop the issue, just an apology.
TIM SEBASTIAN
What more would you ask them to do?
AUDIENCE Q (F)
To stop the newspaper totally.
TIM SEBASTIAN
Ban it, on the strength of that? Mona Eltahawy, you wanted to say ...
MONA ELTAHAWY
Yes, I actually wrote about this issue and I wanted to give lessons to the Arab world in how to react to a story like this and what to do, but the newspaper I write for wouldn't run that column. I resent it, because I tried to answer that question that you ask. So my column ended up being run in The Daily Star and an Egyptian independent daily, which I hold as positive examples for the Arab world, and the lesson I would draw from that is that there really is freedom of expression in Denmark, because there's a difference between a cartoon and incitement to violence. In Denmark just a month or a few weeks before those cartoons were published, a Danish radio station actually incited violence against Muslims. It said, 'We must exterminate Muslims,' and the Danish government acted responsibly. It withdrew the licence for three months from that station. Those cartoons, have you seen those cartoons?
AUDIENCE Q (F)
Yes.
MONA ELTAHAWY
Some of those cartoons were self-critical, the Danes were making fun of themselves. Now, this is the lesson I would draw for the Arab world: we need to be self-critical. We need to sit down and say, 'If we're offended by something, how do we respond?' The Danish Prime Minister wouldn't intervene because as he said, 'We have freedom of expression in our country,' and they do. When we take to task our government for the anti-Semitism in the state-controlled newspapers, and we know they're state-controlled, the governments in the Arab world try to make the same argument as the Danish Prime Minister made, and it's a false argument. They control those newspapers and they use them as mouth-pieces, so I would say that we need to appreciate freedom of expression and create our own modes of expressions."

Read more:

http://www.thedohadebates.com/output/Page52.asp

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

European,

Well said.

I agree with you that the basic political values you listed are non-negotiable: free speech, free religion, equal rights, womens rights, childrens rights. These values should be considered an absolute bare minimum requirement for the peaceful coexistence of disparate cultures.

To flesh this concept out further:

*Individual* rights is the prime political value, for it is the only thing that makes values, including collective, or commonweal values, possible. Therefore cultures, including our own cultures here in the West, must be subordinated to this principle.

You're also right in that there can be no compromise for the particular brand of intolerance practiced by Islamic militants. When persons disagree with one another, and one of them escalates from verbal or academic discourse to physical violence, or threats of physical violence, (s)he removes him/herself from any civil consideration whatsoever, and becomes a criminal who should then be treated accordingly.

As for how we crush the Islamicist threat without harming moderate Muslims.. That would be a whole lot easier if those moderates would/could get the hell away from the violent nutcases.

Holly - 2/18/2006

I simply cannot sign it because then i will sign a give up note on my freedom of speach!
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is another "another" Denmark that will fight for one of the most important thing in our society FREEDOM OF SPEACH even though it might offend some people!!!
Get over it those who were offended by the cartoons and move on...

Holly - 2/18/2006

Send your support...

http://216.94.85.76/ccd/email.asp

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

Mr. Bripspitch,

Actually, from what I've been able to gather thus far, the Arab, that is to say what is predominantly the Muslim, world once was a zone of relative enlightenment. I believe, for example, that some of the numeral system(s) we use here in the West, originated there. I'm sorry, I really do need to research this matter further, myself, but this is an interesting bit of our world's history to explore.

That being said, the middle east, and especially the Arab and/or Muslim dominated areas of our world have degenerated to the point where they are now zones of unconscionable stupidity and barbarism. I, personally, blame at least some of this development on the Christian crusades of the middle ages. And, having been raised a Christian (now an Atheist), I know of that religion's barbarism, too.

Mr. Bripspitch - 2/18/2006

Pomerol, your questions has a deep root in the age of enlightenment; the period of turning away from religion and superstition, towards the sciences... Arab world havent had this period, and does thus suffer from religious evolvement and contributions to the ever growing knowledge base of the human race!
When the muslim world is faced with dire threats, as cartoons, they can then only react by using the cerebellar side of their brain - logic is not an issue here, its about wrath; feeling it, and letting it go - killing people!

Hope this is enough answer for you?!

- 2/18/2006

Cut that crap - or leave this post!

Bent - 2/18/2006

Listen - NO dane spells as bad as this "Sune"... I think its Muhammad doing some undercoverwork; looks like his agitation!

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

That's sad.

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

Why don't you wear ladies' underwear on your head?

You really should consider wearing ladies underwear on your head. Please consider it. You should consider it because I say so!

Mark Linham - 2/18/2006

Go ahead, insult Jesus if you like.. or any other thing of value to us.

You've already insulted constitutional democracy and the principle of human individual rights by refusing to condemn and not be a part of "fatwas", violent demonstrations, and terror threats against people who are only speaking their minds.

You've already insulted the best, most important value we have. So go ahead, insult what you like. And we will continue to do the same.

Fuck you.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/18/2006

Since you think MSNBC is an extermist media group, here are a few hundreds for you to review:

http://news.google.com/news?sourceid=navclient&;ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2005-17,GGLD:en&q=Nasrallah%20%22shut%20up%22&sa=N&tab=wn

Sune Jensen - 2/17/2006

No

33 years old

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"Just remember that your mistakes are hurting the West."

Have you not been following the events the last couple of weeks? Newspapers around Europe have re-printed these cartoon to support freedom of speech. Have you totally forgotten the we have a free press. How do you expect a PM to apologies for a Press he doesn't control? I'm not sure whether or not you are aware of it but Jyllandsposten has written an apology to the muslim countries. They have not given an apology for printing the cartoons, but they have given an apology for hurting the muslims feelings.

"Maybe Canadians are just smarter than the Danish, or just classier, or both!"

This statement tells me the world about your views. I believe some caucasian males had similar idears in relation to the white/black conflict in the United States....

What I guess you haven't noticed is that not only Denmark supports a free press, but so does the rest of Europe and The United States. I can't believe you as a democrat (well at least I assume you support democracy)can seriously go against one of the cornerstones in Democracy itself??
What do you want Denmark and the rest of Europe to do in order to solve this conflict? And before you answer -I can tell you one thing for sure. This conflict won't be solved by giving another apology. Many muslims want regulation of the laws in Europe to prevent any critic of religion. But maybe you think that would be a great way to solve this problem - by setting forth boundaries for what the free press can and can't publish?

Sune Jensen - 2/17/2006

Another Denmark

www.anotherdenmark.org

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

I keep on being confronted with this very point.

"Islam is the voice of God"

"Islam is sent from God"

"My views are in fact not my views. They are a representation of the one and only Allah"

I do not want to discuss whether or not Islam is in fact the voice of God. But I'm having huge troubles about Muslims arguing that they are the voices of God. I mean even if Islam is God, you will have to percieve his voice as any other subject? How is it possible to go around ones own perception of God, and recieve his message without being influenced by ones own mind. By arguing that you speak on behalf of God - well in my eyes you might as well tell me that you are God himself. I'm not writing this to insult you - I'm just really curious of how you get around your own perspective and "recieve" the one and only truth - the one and only Allah.

Abdul Mohammed - 2/17/2006

AIIIEUDDDEEEEEEEEEE Allah steenks mydonkeybuutycallmeeeeee

Tom Tolbene - 2/17/2006

"It's not the first time around we have heard upset Canadians on this board. Is the "battle" about Hans Ø still influencing your views that much, when your heads turn towards Denmark? Tell you the truth - we do not hold it against you in Denmark. And we aren't upset about that dispute anymore."

Well, many here in Canada believe that the Danish are WRONG, not because of past issues (in which you were wrong also), but because of your inherent biases against minorities. Unfortunately for us, your actions just add fuel to the fire of Muslims against the West, Canada included. I can't speak for all Canadians, but all of those I have spoken to believe that your PM handled this horribly, and that your citizens' attempt to defend "free speech" was insulting to this valuable right of the West.

Maybe Canadians are just smarter than the Danish, or just classier, or both!

Just remember that your mistakes are hurting the West.

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

Hear! Hear! Alan,

I'm a U.S. citizen too who loves our country's political institutions, but not the current regime. I want Bush out in 2008.

I concur with your other point wholeheartedly also. No apologies to these Muslim idiots and thugs. It's perpetrators of mindless violence that should apologise, not their intended victims, always, in this and in every such case!

I haven't bought Danish in the past, but you can be damn sure that Denmark now has at least one (many more actually) new customer.

Slater - 2/17/2006

Well, the peacefulness of Islam isn't really defined by translations and words, but by the ACTIONS of those who follow it.

And I can tell you right now, there's not much peace about it. Whether you like that or not.

Slater - 2/17/2006

You've said that already. Now can it!

I've got a feeling you're not really Muslim (or ex-Muslim) anyway, but just another troll trying to escalate this.

Slater - 2/17/2006

What are you, 10 years old?

Get a grip.

Slater - 2/17/2006

What are you rambling about? I don't much like our PM, but I think he handled this particular situation rather well. As cannot be said for the social-democrats.

But Anders Fogh is probably the most globalized man you'll find in Denmark. He loves globalization.

And what is your problem with Carsten Juste? You just say we should find a better man for the job. Well how about a reason?

And finally - apartheid? What the FUCK? Denmark is NOTHING like that. Do you even know what's going on around you?

Please, throw in some arguments. An unbased opinion is worthless in a debate.

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

Sune you are really way off. I wonder why you are doing this. Your statements aren't even close to some kind of truth, and you are certainly not contributing in putting an end to all the incorrect nonsense that has been flowing around about Denmark in muslims countries the last couple of weeks. As I see it at the moment you are working against your own country - what in the world are you thinking of - do you really like this conflict some much, you will do anything to keep it going? I must say I'm shocked...

Abdul Mohammed - 2/17/2006

I worship Allah I dont worhip Alla anymore coz the prophet Mohammed staerted sucking animals dicks0)

Abdul Mohammed - 2/17/2006

I worship Allah I dont worhip Alla anymore coz the prophet Mohammed staerted sucking animals dicks0)

Abdul Mohammed - 2/17/2006

I worship Allah I dont worhip Alla anymore coz the prophet Mohammed staerted sucking animals dicks0)

Abdul Mohammed - 2/17/2006

I worship Allah I dont worhip Alla anymore coz the prophet Mohammed staerted sucking animals dicks0)

Sune Jensen - 2/17/2006

I am sorry that my PM is a bastard and a stupid politician. Why has we elected this liar and non-globalized man for PM - Please Mr. Rasmussen -take your clothes and walk set a date for a new palementary election.

Jyllands-Posten (JP) CEO Juste stop now and find a better man to do your work

Is Denmark really a part of etnic apartheid like South Africa - I do not like it !!! Truly

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"By the way, any update on the "Buy Danish" campaign."

I read about the campaign a couple days ago - it's working! Thank you very much my friend. If you really want to spend money - don't forget the danish designers - they are famous worldwide for their creations. But it's pretty expensive...

-
An apology for the apology. We are touching new grounds here and my imagination is having a hard time catching up...

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"Imagin someone took a cross with Jesus on it and put it under his feet.
me as muslim will refuse such a thing, and I may fight for that, because Jesus is prophet send by God. a greate Symbol to people. he is not like normal people, he is someone choosen by allah -god-."

Well tell you what Muhammed just yesterday Muslims of Iran burned the Christian Cross. No need to use our imagination - it has already been done in real life....

Sune Jensen - 2/17/2006

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Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"Why should the entire West (including USA), pay for your stupid cartoons? I do not want Canadians harmed because of your degrading diplomacy."

It's not the first time around we have heard upset Canadians on this board. Is the "battle" about Hans Ø still influencing your views that much, when your heads turn towards Denmark? Tell you the truth - we do not hold it against you in Denmark. And we aren't upset about that dispute anymore.

Every single European country will defend Democracy and you should do the same my friend. The Italian Embassy was burned not only because it was the only embassy muslims could get their hands on, but also because an Italian minister showed up in a shirt with a muhammed cartoon on this week. Italians are probably the most emotional people of Europe - they are warm and pleasant - but I wouldn't advise anyone to mess with an Italian. They have hearts like lions and they are not to be disturbed. Except for the French I think burning the Italian Embassy is the worst of all nightmares. This surely won't be a move towards peace - and that is really sad I think.

Sune Jensen - 2/17/2006

Maybe Denmark is too small on the investment market

Slater - 2/17/2006

Heh. And you ;)

Slater - 2/17/2006

So... what you are saying is that you are very peaceful, and if we don't agree you'll start World War 3 ?

You are really not very intelligent, are you?

Reminds me of Danish comedian 'Anden':
"Stop violence or we'll beat you up!"

Gary - 2/17/2006

Quote: "I constantly apologize for my govnt's behavior (i can't wait until 2008), not because I am ashamed of America, but because I am willing to admit we have some serious faults.."

This is correct. We say good bye to Mr Bush in 2008. And, as a democratic nation, we can gather in public places and denounce our president without fear of our government. Try this in Iran right now with the mad man Ahmadinejad in control. God bless democracy and God bless Denmark.

Slater - 2/17/2006

Right, so it's OUR fault that the embassies have been burned?

We should just buckle under to their demands and kiss their feet? And you don't think they will just demand something even sillier?

You're a fucking pathetic little coward. That this has even come this far, is because of people like you. Cowards who would rather say they are sorry than stand up for what they believe. Non-violently of course.

Slater - 2/17/2006

"The Danish, and all of Europe, should beg for forgiveness. This craziness is their fault. All we Muslims want is a REAL apology."

An apology for WHAT?
Did you miss the point here? WE HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! One newspaper has, and that was their right. But I personally, as well as 99,9999999% of the Danish and European populations had NOTHING to do with this. Why should we apologize?

M.T. - 2/17/2006

Oh Muhammad: try this guy, and follow his links, and maybe you'll know that a lot of egyptians doesn't support you:

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com

Th.mas - 2/17/2006

Hi Allan
Could not agree more, unfortunately the Islamists have the big say in the Muslim part of the world. Most of what they say and do make no sense at all.
The cartoons are obviously only a blind for their real agenda, rampage against Democracy and our 4 freedoms!
Fascism, this time in the name of Islam, is showing it's ugly head once again...

Your question
'any update on the "Buy Danish" campaign / if the damage has been reversed /I am inclined to say that the push to "buy Danish" has been stopped'
From what I have heard, it has been a great encouragement for Denmark with the Buy Danish Campaign, and especially sales in US and Germany should be helpful. You can always see www.jp.dk (also in english) for the latest.
So please everybody keep the Buy Danish spirit going. That will show the Danes that ordinary people are supporting them, even though the US medias (CCN, NBC, Fox, major papers) have been lousy in their showing, to say the least. It seems, to some, dollars are more important than to make a stand for freedom of speech ....
Go on Buy Danish - we thank you!

M.T. - 2/17/2006

I think most of the world - a lot of muslims included, think that whats going on with the riots is totally unacceptable!

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

Muhammad Mosa:

I've also read that the part of the world now largely Muslim was a more civil place in the Middle Ages. There apparently has been a reversal of this situation. And, incidentally, I blame the Christian Crusades for much of this.

I'll say to you something similar to what I say to many Christians:

You will not have a Muslim world where you're "peaceful and kind" to others. This is simply not possible. Because if you truly meant to be peaceful and kind, that would necessarily include such things as the recognition of the rights of others to disagree with you and with your religion - including that which you consider "blasphemy", the use of persuasion and voluntary cooperation rather than force as the prime rule of conduct in human affairs, the recognition of the rights of women, the separation of mosque and state, etc.

Give it up, you won't manifest those values honestly characterizable as kindness, unless you regard others at least as equals. That is what this requires. Nothing less will do.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

You are funny.
All people her have the same mind.
but I beileve there people like Cat Stevens "Yusuf Islam" if you know him.

Gary - 2/17/2006

Quote: "Specially they are instulting our prophet, a man of peace, a man of honor. all his history says that. You didn't read Quran. you are just droping your words.. go go..
live in peace.. and stop speaking null"

Excuse me, but I and others here have read the Koran. Do you want me to quote verses from YOUR holy book? Do you need a history lesson as has been provided in earlier posts here? Speaking null indeed!

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

Hey, why don't you all explore what Islam, and who is the prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him-?!

What is your point. I can only understand your views if I convert to Islam. We can't have a conversation without me being an expert in Islam. Well I don't mind reading about Islam and I have read quite a lot - but this time around you are the one who must do the reading, if you ever want to unite with the european community, you must learn to live and breath democracy. I can't do this work for you.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

there is a famouse Quote we used to say in Egypt the translation is:
"Teach the stupid, he wake up in the morning forgetting what you teached him!"
"3alem fi el metbalem yesba7 nasi"
Sleep Sleep, and go with your toughts..

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Brother hassan, I don't know him, but he is my brother, isn't that amazing. We feel that we ar brothers, even if he is not muslim, as long as we are not insulting each other live toghether in peace.
Of course the cartoons may drived him to this.. and again, you don't understand what such cartoons means.
Specially they are instulting our prophet, a man of peace, a man of honor. all his history says that. You didn't read Quran. you are just droping your words.. go go..
live in peace.. and stop speaking null

Bent - 2/17/2006

Muhammad - stop refering to some abstract point of total power - I'm not religious, and think you sound a bit like a madman!
Yes, I went to see some of the sites, I used to like the middle east - but now i'm disgusted about it: thinking denmark has supported the arab world for so many years, pouring in a lot of money - and this is what you get?

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"And the Question is, Do you know what is Islam, What Islam contains, What Quran hold in its holly words?! I think you should try to read about that. And "Research and investigate for yourself as an intelligent person"

I get really tired hearing this statement over and over again. Study Islam and you will understand. Well the Quran is sold out in Denmark, not because we would ever convert, but because we are willing to understand your views. But how much do you know about democracy -maybe you should be reading books on that subject cause it seems as though the concept called democracy is a blindspot for many muslims.

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"And the Question is, Do you know what is Islam, What Islam contains, What Quran hold in its holly words?! I think you should try to read about that. And "Research and investigate for yourself as an intelligent person"

I'm really tires heard this statement. Study Islam and you will understand. Well the Quran is sold out in Denmark, not because we would ever convert, but because we are willing to understand your views. But how much do you know about democracy -maybe you should be reading books on that subject cause it seems as though the concept called democracy is a blindspot for many muslims.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Misra, Enta Omak Zania Feek

Gary - 2/17/2006

Quote: "Try to read more about islam.
We don't fight for nothing, we fight for raising God's word."

Many of us have read about Islam and the Koran. It is all replete with violence and terrorism inflicted upon innocent, defenseless people. And don't try the famaliar line of, "it was all done during a time of war and it was "self-defense". We know better. Read some of the previous posts to your brother Hasan.

Bus - 2/17/2006

Listen Muhammad - you are wrong!
Everybody wants to learn and listen - but not with aislamist-fascist gun at their head!
You go read, and stop aeting all what the mullahs and imams serve you - you are not a robot are you?

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Misra, again you people say, anti-Semitic. :0).
You people sick.. If you review all Jews history, you'll find that they are the most Coward people on earth.
review and read more in histroy

M.T. - 2/17/2006

Thanks Alan, its working I think - and your support had made the whole difference to a nation in bewilderment (is there such a word?)
I think the danes have revaluated the concept of friendship - and found the americans to be a true friend, in all this... I think you should support denmark and yourself, by coming to our small but free country, and feel velcome: I'll buy the first round of beer or danish or both!

Say hi from me to your generous familiy - the gesture really means something... its really heartwarming!

And by the way, what you said about your country - its what makes america great, and why we can be proud to stick to our ideals!

Take care!

Muhmmad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Who is talking about freedom and dictatorship?! You mad me laugh!
You are living in fake, did they teach you this in school baby?!
ooh.. good.. go ahead with your think, but give yourself a chance to expolre who is muslims and what is islam.

Gary - 2/17/2006

Quote: "if Muslims were united and strong as they were in ages ago, this would cause a third world war."

A true follower of the "peaceful", "holy" Koran!!!

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Yes, If you didn't return to be Muslim, you must be killed. :0)
and I'll be proud to do that.
So where do you live, if you are that brave.
I feel sad about that. not because you turned from Islam. but because you didn't understand what is Islam.
Ya Allah, 7aram 3aleek Nafsak ya A7'y, Laken "Enaka la tahdy mn a7babt wa laken allah yahdi mn yasha2"
Ro7 ya 3abd Allah, wi yoom el deen, towafa kol nafsen 7a2aha

infidel - 2/17/2006

How disgraceful. These words from a Canadian!

"the Danish should apologize"?

The islamic savages are demanding that the Danish GOVERNMENT apologize. Are you not reading the situation?

Should we demand then that the OIC and individual islamic governments apologize for 9/11, 3/11 and 7/7 and/or each act of terrorism committed in 125 conflicts around the world that involves moslems on one or more sides?

Bus - 2/17/2006

You had an apology from the newspaper - but you want a different one?!
You had the danish prime minister say that he finds the drawings stupid and unnecessary, and stress to you that muslims are being fine in denmark!

This is not about the cartoons anymore - this is about islamists fucking with you and your religion; trying to stir up hate against the west - and its working! What do you do, instead of rampaging the streets burning everything? Nothing!
By now, the arab world owes the danish people an apology for their hijacking of an entire nation (you wouldn't have done that, if it where the US)
You are hipocrites - and you ought to say you are sorry to a lot of people; several of whom you made cartoons much worse than these simple danish newspaperdrawings!
Nobody in the entire world understands your HUGE minority complex!

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

We Beleive in Juses, We Beleive in Muhammad, and Islam is not what your saying, do you what is Islam?! No you don't, you hear from here and there, read about islam to know what Islam, what is Islam is asking people for.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

did you visit the sites?!
did you tried to read about Islam.
Islam is great, you like it or not. not because I'm saying this, but because it is sent from god. and yes it from god, and that is mentioned in the Bible about Muhammad. but you don't even read the bible. so what do you beileve in?

Alan - 2/17/2006

As an American (thus, perhaps biased), I think they have apologized enough already. Americans on both the left and right have united in our support for the Danish. In fact, where is the apology from muslims for their extremists' behavior. I understand that the extremists themselves won't apologize, but it is important for the moderates to show disgust for this behavior. I constantly apologize for my govnt's behavior (i can't wait until 2008), not because I am ashamed of America, but because I am willing to admit we have some serious faults, particularly among American extremists. In fact, this self-criticism makes me more proud to be an American, because it exemplifies that the core ideals of my country are still here.

By the way, any update on the "Buy Danish" campaign. As I said, we Americans have continuously bought Danish for some time now (my family has spent over $2,000--lots of groceries and furniture), but we don't know if the damage has been reversed. I can't read Danish, and I haven't seen any updates on English-language Danish websites, thus I am inclined to say that the push to "buy Danish" has been stopped.

infidel - 2/17/2006

The premise is laughable.

Random Danish or western mothers do not run around slaughtering people, or wish death and destruction to those who disagree with them. (Well, excepting Kathy Lee Gifford maybe)

No right-thinking human can believe that mohammad was such a pure, kindly, flawless gem of a man, comparable at ANY level with Jesus or other saintly people who pretended to be "prophets" from "God".

Naturally, the moslems think thats the case, despite the mountain of evidence pointing to the fact that he WAS a warlord, a man of intemperate appetites and insatiable bloodlust.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Again, you are the one who started to insult, and you don't think, and you don't try to realize.
Imagin someone took a cross with Jesus on it and put it under his feet.
me as muslim will refuse such a thing, and I may fight for that, because Jesus is prophet send by God. a greate Symbol to people. he is not like normal people, he is someone choosen by allah -god-.
I'll pay my life, and not to see someone, ignorant draw a stupid cartoon insulting my prophet. One day, may be when you die, and go to your grave. you'll know the result of your word you've just said now.
Try to read more about islam.
We don't fight for nothing, we fight for raising God's word.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/17/2006

I am asking you to answer a question not preach to me about Islam.

I have read the Quran more than once, because I had to when I was young. I am not a Muslim anymore.

Many more would leave Islam if they were not scared of being killed.

Can you answer the question?

Scandinavian - 2/17/2006

We will try to understand you, when you stop having those childish fits, screaming and yelling like in a kindergarten... Theres nothing great about islam, in the picture that is painted right now... only some proud ancient history, that a bunch of madmen thinks entitles them to take over the world... cant you see you have nothing to offer the world, when opression of women and Sharia is your guide?
Everybody else can!
Get a grip and lets talk!

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Islam is a religion of peace, even you like that or you don't.
Islam word translation is peace.
Our greeting is "Al Salamu alikom" = "peace be upon you". Which mean we muslims are people of peace, but your heart should live in peace..
God help you.

Bob - 2/17/2006

You're right - you're totally brainwashed, talking about ww3 because of a cartoon! Think about that for a second...
Cant you see thats why the rest of the world thinks your religion has a bomb on its head?

Bob - 2/17/2006

Sounds like something from Tolkien... Do you believe that shiite when you think about the disunity of arabs?
(except from childish cartoons, that is!)

Moneer - 2/17/2006

The Danish, and all of Europe, should beg for forgiveness. This craziness is their fault. All we Muslims want is a REAL apology.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Again, You Ensan 7orr, seems to be not Muslim, but you are and Egyptian or at least Arabian.
And the Question is, Do you know what is Islam, What Islam contains, What Quran hold in its holly words?! I think you should try to read about that. And "Research and investigate for yourself as an intelligent person" and not as someone who just hate islam and muslims for some reasons. When Muslims rules there embire, they were peacful, kind and treat non-muslims in a good way that whole Europe Kingdoms at that time was treating there people as slave. and return to history, and you'll find that I'm right.

Hope god may reveal your blindness and the darkness of your heart.

Tom Tolbene - 2/17/2006

The Italian embassy was torched in Libya...when will this madness stop? As a Canadian, I think the Danish should thoroughly apologize. I am used to these actions against the US, but now the focus is on other Western countries (UK, France, DENMARK, Italy, Germany,etc..). Why should the entire West (including USA), pay for your stupid cartoons? I do not want Canadians harmed because of your degrading diplomacy.

Slater - 2/17/2006

Yes.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

ooh Attack on Denmark, I know that Denmark is peacful country with peacful people, But why don't you think that Xions or jews were behind such a thing to insult muslims?!! well we think that we too. And because you may not know what such cartoons means to Muslims, you would think that Egypt behind the campagine, But such cartoons if Muslims were united and strong as they were in ages ago, this would cause a third world war.
Try to relize the idea of what the prophet Muhammad pbuh meens to us.

Salam

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Hey, why don't you all explore what Islam, and who is the prophet Muhammad -peace be upon him-?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam

and if you interest in more visit this site:
http://english.islamway.com/

try to be positive and understand Muslims feelings.

Gary - 2/17/2006

Quote: "But if you start promoting violence in the name of Islam, I will protest. That violence isn't legalized by your Prophet (peace upon him). He isn't the carrier of evil - don't ruin his image."

The koran and historical data do not support your comment here. Violence is very much legalized and encouraged by the "prophet" (peace upon him).

Muhammad Mosa - 2/17/2006

Do you know what Islam, do you know who is Muhammad -peace be upon him-
Ok Take the chance to know, may be god will reveal your darkness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Islam

An does all of you from Isreal, the country of that has no civilization history?!

Sune Jensen - 2/17/2006

The goverment of Egypt has a large hand or a big role in the Case of The Muhammed-crisis in Denmark that the Danish Goverment had found out and Danish Security Counsil -

Is that a attack on Denmark ?

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

It would seem to be a truism that governments are established by force. It is possible that we may not defeat or escape this basic reality.

The insidious thing is, however, that twin evil of rejecting reason in favor of revelation or faith on one hand, and the corrollary idea that force is all that matters on the other. This paradigm is a trap that not only can, but must be defeated.

Without digressing too much I hope, I believe your point is that Islamic governments are especially notorious for requiring the initiation of force for their establishment, and have left trails of carnage and tyranny in their wake. This is quite true, and this is also true of most other major organized religious governments. This is why my nation's founders (the founders of the United States of America) included in our supreme national law: Article I, the Bill of Rights, U.S. Constitution: the doctrine of separation of church and state: and explicit and clear proscription against the government respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.

Whether religion is right or wrong is something that can only be decided subjectively by the lone solitary individual. And since even a cursory examination of the matter plainly reveals this to be the case, the legal and political doctrine of church-state separation is crucial both to religionists of all kinds (whether they realize it or not), and to others (such as myself) who prefer not to have a faith.

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

BOB LOL he is on the TV. And that's just fine by me - superb actor.
I think the wife would be pretty upset if he was in my bed. Let's not get carried away. Ensan wanted to focus on this issue.

"I would really like to focus on the main question here "Islamic countries only where the Muslim armies reached ".

Bob - 2/17/2006

Jack Nicholson's in your bed??

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

I would really like to focus on the main question here "Islamic countries only where the Muslim armies reached ".

Point taken. We can start the other thread later. Dear old Jack Nicholson is calling for me - better give him my full attention ;-)

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

I'm another atheist. An atheism discussion would be good.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/17/2006

Thank you for your opinion Pomerol.

I would really like to focus on the main question here "Islamic countries only where the Muslim armies reached ".

I would like to talk more about your ideas though, so how about if you start a new thread for it? Intelligent thinking=Atheism?

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"Research and investigate for yourself as an intelligent person."

If you investigate enough you will find that every single religion has been used for the wrong purposes. If you investigating enough you will end up being an atheist like myself. Is that a good thing - I don't know!

Religion begins, where reason stops. How can you then decide wether or not a religion is good. I guess you will have to do another kind of investigation - you will have to travel deep within yourself and ask whether or not your religion is good for you. If it's good for you, I believe I have nothing to fear.
If someone uses your religion for the wrong purposes stand up for yourself. Don't let these people talk on your behalf.

I still think most of the people of this world aren't hungry warlovers. I still think that if we do not let ourselves get carried away by demagogues in the end we can all unite and remove evilpowers from their offices. The West really isn't interested in wars - I think we all had enough already.......and I don't consider muslims any different. I don't believe you are warlovers either - it's simply against human nature. If you decide Islam is good for your that's fine by me. It's a free world - or at least it should be and you have the right to be religious. I won't ever try to take that away from you. But if you start promoting violence in the name of Islam, I will protest. That violence isn't legalized by your Prophet (peace upon him). He isn't the carrier of evil - don't ruin his image.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/17/2006

Why did countries that Muslim armies did not invade not become Muslim nations if Islam was spread by peace and tolerance?

Notice the map of the Islamic world now. Why does it beam out of Mecca?

To all honest Muslims, you are probably a Muslim now because your ancestors were forced into Islam. Don't defend anything blindly. Research and investigate for yourself as an intelligent person. If you decide that Islam is for you after that, then more power to you and I mean it.

Infidels are welcome to comment as well.

- 2/17/2006

I am living in Turkey and muslim. I always proud of being muslim. I could not understand why Denmark makes this silly thinks.Playing with Our prophet is not your business. ıf you want to make fun please use another things.And if you cannot find anything in order to making fun, just look at the mirror. you will meet the most funny thing in the world by looking at the mirrors. let's play the game with its rules. and now it is the time of rule.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/17/2006

The bounty offered by the religion of peace has been increased to $1 Million.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11383819/

When the Mafia put bounties on people's heads we fought them with all we have. Why are we still considering Islam a religion of peace? Are we taking the easy way out or just hoping for something positive to happen out of the blue?

BMC - 2/17/2006

... to offer as bounty on this guy's head?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5627294,00.html

Not that it would help. He'd just think he's off to paradise anyway.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/17/2006

With all due respect to the dovish and peace loving civilzed people, Islam is not a peace loving religion. Anyone who denies that, is contributing to the problem.

See how a muslim cleric is offering a bounty to kill the cartoonists. Sounds more like a mafia than a religion to me:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11383819/

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/17/2006

Have you heard of the word "ignore" beofore? It works especially well with stupid people. I believe you think the Danish cartoonists are stupid, right?

By you saying something about my mother, that is just your openion.

I would laugh at your comment/drawing and feel a bit sorry for you.

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

Yeah your right. Last time someone was charged guilty of blasphemy was in 1939....
I had forgotten the laws even existed for a moment..
and now even the Christian preasts want those laws removed for good. God doesn't belong in a courthouse they say..

Dane - 2/17/2006

Yeah well, christian fundemantalists have not much to say in denmark; ridiculed by CARTOONS, films and such, since '68 - we have a long tradition of seperating religion and politics!

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

No, the primary targets of Islamic terrorism are: 1) Israel, and 2) the United States (my country).

But in our (the U.S.) case, we're under attack from two geopolitical factions: Islamofascists, and our own home-grown rightist Christian fundamentalists.

Pray for us.

Thomas DK - 2/17/2006

http://www.hizb-ut-tahrir.org/english/english.html

Even these guys are "leagal" in DK. They are forbidden in much of the Muslim, as in the western world. WE ARE NOT DENYING ANYONE THE FREEDOM OF ANYTHING IN DENMARK.

M.T. - 2/17/2006

They are burning a cross in front of the danish embassy in Iran, and a Pakistani Iman have promised 25.000 $ and a car for the beheading of one of the cartoonist.
The world is shaking its head!

Islam is turning to be a fascist hipocrite religion?

Will normal islami followers act, or will islam forever be a terrorist religion, killing randomly in the world?

Is there an end to muslim madness, or is this the dawn of their religion?

Can the world ignore these hordes of religious rioters, leaving them alone in their world of hate and intolerance?

Can we leave innocent children to grow up under the oppression of a religion gone bad?

How do we free the world of this rising evil?

Will any moderate muslim answer, or just turn their heads as usual?!

Slater - 2/17/2006

Well, we do have Domus Vista. That would be pretty easy to hit with a jet.
It's only about 30 stories, but everything around it is flat as pancake, and it can be seen from all over Copenhagen.

http://www.highways.dk/danmark/hovedvej1/images/kbh_domusvista_front1_200x150.jpg

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

9/11 won't take place in DK. Living in DK surely we have been forced to think that thought. Taking the subway every morning surely it crosses my mind, when I pass the biggest traficcenter Denmark - maybe some idiot will put an end to my life today - but I have decided not to let the psychological terror run my life - so the subway it is. As time passes by I think we will all learn to deal with it and not let islamists control our lives. But 9/11 no I don't think it will happen in Denmark. I could think of other more appropriate places, but I'm not going to revail them on this board. No reason to inspire some sick mind to crimes against humanity.

Peter Pedersen - 2/17/2006

We dont have tall buildings like that in Denmark :-)

Well terror-attacks are always a risk when you live in a free country. We seen it in USA, in UK (london), in Spain (Madrid) etc. etc.

Denmark have long gone free (despite our presence in Iraq as part of the coalition). The "message" wouldnt be as good as when the terrorists are attacking London or New York. However now that Denmark is "famous" for the cartoons i am sure someone somewhere is planning something.

I think - like most danes - that the risk of terror against danes have risen. Especially abroad, as danish travellers or businessmen. The danish foreign ministry have changed updates on alot of countries especially in the middle east.

I think a higher risk of terror is what we have to live with in these times. Unfortunately. But untill Islam moves forward, in progressive way, it seems this will happen.

Scared ?. Hell no !. We all have to leave the earth sometime. That is a fact.

We cant allow these people to scare us, that would mean giving in to terrorism.

Peter

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

Point taken, and understood.

Peter Pedersen - 2/17/2006

Danish people as racists ?. Ha. Let me laugh. Denmark established the roadmap to peace in the middle east. Denmark is one of the top 3 contributors to the UN. Denmark has a history in helping out all over the world, including Pakistan, where help-workers now had to be sent home for their own safety. Tell me: How does this help Pakistan/Muslims ?. Denmark respects all cultures and religions. To mention a couple of examples, we have imposed Halal-meet in all copenhagen schools not to offend muslims. Also in swim-lesson we give seperate showers for the muslims, since their religion tells them they cant bathe with non-believers of muhammad.

But we take the liberty to critizising what we disagree with. Like suicide bombers!. Its called democracy, not racism.

So therefore: Don´t boycut danish products. It will not be to your benefit. You should actually buy more danish/westerns stuff, thus suring the interaction between cultures, people and religions. Denmark also produces alot of products that benefit muslims fx. medicine and handicap-accesories.

Peter Pedersen, who strongly supports cultural interaction - not closed countries and boycutts !.

Raj - 2/17/2006

Nowhere in this article is mentioned the reason for these riots: 50+ hindu pilgrims were burnt alive in a railway compartment. They were _beaten_ back into the cars when they were screaming and trying to escape. The poorer sections of the hindu population exploded in anger and retaliation.

Now, is such islamic behavior- wanton slaughter- by the hindus in retaliation justified? absolutely NOT.

However such violence is not a systemic problem with hindu"ism". The population of muslims in india has gone up both in percentage terms as well as absolute. At this rate india may become muslim-majority in another 50-70 years. Is this because hindus are intolerant as a society? Thousands of mosques stand where stood the timeless hindu temples which the invading muslims threw down.

Good luck trying to equate islam - a cult of death and dismay that has been going strong for 1400 years - with india's social problems, ironically, caused by islam. Note, how I say islam - not muslims.

John NYC - 2/17/2006

Just a thought; is there a remote risk of a 9/11 in Denmark after all of this? Surely this must go ones mind when living there, but my poor knowledge of the daily life in DK concludes that it is just not an issue. I might be TERRORBLY wrong...

John NYC - 2/17/2006

“Right now there’s megaphone diplomacy,” Annan said in the interview, which aired late Sunday on Denmark’s national DR television. “And I think we should turn off the megaphones and begin to talk quietly to each other.” Annan said he defends free speech, but insisted “it has to come with some sense of responsibility and judgment and limits.”

“There are times when you have to challenge taboos,” he said. “But you don’t fool around with other people’s religions and you have to respect what is sacred to other people.”

PC from top brass;-)

Mikkel Pind - 2/17/2006

Well I see your point. But in regards to printing the drawings you do not see the same level of PC in European media as in the US. Another thing is what comes out of Solana and Annans mouths. Who said PC? ;)

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

"As long as PC is strong and present in a society, those heavy subjects like colour or immigration will never get "solved"... In my opinion ;)"

I agree with your opinion. Things must be out in the open if they are to be solved. US still has ways to go in terms of not given in to PC. But before we start accusing our american friends of making this mistake - maybe we should start by looking at the EU. Surely lots of PC has been used within the last couple of weeks....

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

Everyone remembers The King. Khader has in many ways chosen to walk in his footsteps and by doing that he will most likely be in danger for the rest of his life. But just like MLK I think Khader sees no alternative - sometimes freedom doesn't come easy..

Not all muslims in Denmark supports his views - but if muslims want to unite with the European infidels, they really ought to be looking his way.

Mikkel Pind - 2/17/2006

Well about MLK. I wanted actually to do the same analogy in my previous post, but then I thought it would be way out. ;)
When I lived in the states I saw tension where I never experienced it from Denmark. But where was the public debate? There where things you should not discuss or "lines" you should not cross. Not in a dramatic way, but still I noticed a lot of unwillingness to talk openly about certain subjects like for example about colour/complexion. Obviously the media has taken this "political correctness" PC into its midst, so suddenly there are things we should not speak about... Why didn't the US media print the drawings? PC! As long as PC is strong and present in a society, those heavy subjects like colour or immigration will never get "solved"... In my opinion ;)

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

Hasan,

If there really is a God, surely He (or She) wants us to live in peace and prosper. It is not logical for any of us to be up in arms for any religion. And this is even more the case, if this central point is lost on us.

John NYC - 2/17/2006

Spot-on good points, all of you. Islam light - Mikkel Pind you state that Mr Khader is currently in danger. As it is, he might be exactly that for the rest of his life....anyone remember Mr MLK?

Mikkel Pind - 2/17/2006

Hasan: You are right, that if this is what happened, you are absolutely right. This is a very bad thing. Maybe if all Indians obeyed the same law no matter which religion they followed, the tensions would be smaller.

Good to se that you are finally coming around and understanding that no one should be above the law or be treated differently because of religion. Bravo Hasan! ;)

Mikkel Pind - 2/17/2006

Bent: very good reply, I agree 100%.

Just to clear up a small glitch. It is not a political party, it is an association of muslims. Also Khader have been under very strong protection for a long time now, long before this whole case with JP. The reason for this is threats from extremist that does not like his "Islam light" way of life (Abu Laban expression).

Why has it come to this before muslim moderates make a public strong opposition? Two things (in my opinion).

-Because not a lot of muslims could identify themselves to the extremists. Why should muslims condone other muslims actions in public just because they are muslims? Well NOW the actions of extremist in Denmark has forced the silent majority of muslims to actively involve themselves because otherwise other people would regard them as followers (Not that I condone this generalization, but if the actions are so extreme from a small group, you are forced to speak out if you are unfortunate enough to be put in the same group).

-Second reason is fear. The wast majority of muslims in Denmark know what to do or what not to do in the "muslim world". If someone, maybe like Khader, speaks against extremist publicly, not only he could be in danger (which he is), but also relatives in the country of origin might feel the heat. It is seen in other contexts as for example, honor killings (coward acts in my opinion) in Denmark last September. I girl got killed because she got married to a man that the family did not approve of. 9 people (mostly family living in Denmark) are being prosecuted.

That is my explanation, anyways.

Mark Linham - 2/17/2006

Hello "Muslim",

I shouldn't dignify you with an answer, but here goes:

The right to free speech means absolutely nothing unless it protects that speech which we all find offensive. A non-coercive statement must only be answered with another statement, not force.
Speech as such does not truly harm anyone, unless it is an order to bomb, stab or shoot someone that then is obeyed, as in your "holy" men's "fatwas".

Furthermore, your "prophet" DOES, figuratively speaking, wear a bomb in his turban - and much worse than that, as the actions of unthinking Muslim fanatics prove.

Before you criticize someone's statement (or cartoon) - let alone go crazy and riot about it - you might try thinking about what it might mean to see if you can *rationally* refute the meaning of the statement. In this case, of course, you can't.

As for any legitimate reasons you might have for being angry.. trust me, they have nothing whatsoever to do with someone's drawing.

Pomerol - 2/17/2006

Why did it had to come to this, before a muslim "party" could be a reallity?

Good question. Anyone can make a political "party". Why have no muslim made this party before - my answer would be this:

Anyone can make a political "party" if they wish. Making this political party as a muslim required a whole lot of strong will. Khader is living under protection at the moment, due to the fact that this move could incite hatred amongst some islamists.

Khader is surely a man of the future, even though I'm not a muslim, I will support this party by making financial contributions. They will be playing a major role in the future - primarily because Khader has founded a movement that not only is supported by muslims, but also by a huge crowd of infidels like myself. I wouldn't say they put democracy before Islam. These muslim have created new ways of living in europe as modern democratic muslims.

To all the danish democratic muslims -you have my deepest respect - you make us all believe in a better future.

hasan - 2/17/2006

Starting on the morning of February 28, Hindu mobs unleashed a coordinated attack against Muslims in many of Gujarat's towns and cities.56 Despite the state's claims that police were simply overwhelmed by the sheer size of the Hindu mobs-often numbering in the thousands-evidence collected by the media, Indian human rights groups, and Human Rights Watch all point to state sponsorship of the attacks. Eyewitness accounts cited throughout this report, as well as the history of police and political recruitment demonstrate the state's partisan role. In a matter of days, over 3,000 muslims were massacred in Gujrat, India alone.

According to an article in The Week, a weekly Indian news magazine, 1,679 houses, 1,965 shops, and twenty-one godowns (warehouses) were burnt, 204 shops looted, and seventy-six shrines were destroyed in Ahmedabad. The great majority of them belonged to Muslims.

The attackers arrived by the thousands in trucks, clad in saffron scarves and khaki shorts, the signature uniform of Hindu nationalist, or Hindutva, groups. Shouting slogans of incitement to kill, they were armed with swords, trishuls, sophisticated explosives, and gas cylinders. Guided by computer printouts listing the addresses of Muslim families and their properties, information obtained from the Ahmedabad municipal corporation among other sources, they embarked on a murderous rampage. In many cases, the police led the charge, aiming and firing at Muslims who got in the mobs' way

"Alleging that police personnel in Gujarat were directly involved in the killings of hundreds of Muslims, the New York-based Human Rights Watch organisation has urged the international community to put pressure on the Indian government to end "orchestrated violence against Indian minorities."

According to the preliminary report of SAHMAT, a Delhi-based nongovernmental organization, its fact-finding team found graffiti left behind on the charred walls of a burnt madrassa in Sundaramnagar, Ahmedabad boasted of police support:66

Yeh andar ki bat hai
Police hamarey saath hai
(This is inside information, the police are with us).

Jaan se mar dengey
Bajrang Dal zindabad
Narendra Modi zindabad
(We will kill. Long live the Bajrang Dal. Long live Narendra Modi)

Human Rights Watch interviews with eyewitnesses to the attacks revealed that that the attackers were carrying voter lists as well as listings of Muslim businesses, along with cell phones and water bottles "so as to be fully prepared for a long day's work.

Press reports and eyewitness testimonies, including those collected by Human Rights Watch, abound with stories of police participation and complicity in the attacks. Their crimes range from inaction to direct participation in the looting and burning of Muslim shops, restaurants, hotels, homes, and the killing of Muslim residents.

An interim report on violence in Vadodara submitted to the NHRC by the nongovernmental People's Union for Civil Liberties (PUCL), documents in meticulous detail the selective burning and looting of Muslim homes and places of business, the destruction of mosques, the killing, beating, and maiming of Muslims, the extent of police participation in the attacks, and the role of the local media in inciting the violence.

"What happened in Gujarat was not a spontaneous uprising, it was a carefully orchestrated attack against Muslims"

Smita Narula Human Rights Watch

Bent - 2/17/2006

Because the radical imams of denmark, has literally waged war on this Naser Khader, because he has announced that democracy goes before religion. He's an everyday muslim, practicing his religion like most muslims and christians in denmark!

Understand that the islamist imams in denmark is playing a power-play, to get more influence, and to set a islamist agenda: These are the imams who have stated that: Girls not wearing a scarf is asking to be raped, and women (even muslim women) are the instrument of satan, and should be covered entirely. They have tried to enter the concept of bloodmoney, after a homocide, into danish society. They have asked the muslim society to buycot danish kindergartens, because they think their religion is in danger.

The radical imam, Abu Laban called the people behind the new muslim initiative, and Nasser Khader, "rats in the hole"...Do you understand what kind of idiots we are dealing with here?

The radical imams only represents 5 or 10 % of the muslim population, but have taken everybody hostage - the entire dansih nation, in their religious struggle, that really isn't about the drawings anymore: That just ended with their hate-agenda-tour to the middle east!

We have freedom of religion, you can make your own political party as easy as nothing - muslims have every opportunity to be heard in denmark - but no danes want a gun to their head, as we'we had for the last weeks: the reign of the islamist imams is over, and everybody should work for the new moderates to get established... These "rats in the hole", is going to be a key player for muslims, not only in denmark, but all over europe - its the only way, away from the islamist anti-democracy movement!

Civilized Dane - 2/17/2006

Hey - an egyptian newspaper already glued the head of our queen on a swimwearmodel, and printed it - do you see us shout; "behead the infidel"?
Get a grip, your teenager-riot-religion is showing its ugly face every day: and what a good thing that it is, too!

GH - 2/17/2006

Goddamn, you are crazy - is it impossible for you to see the total brainwash you are a part of?
Islamism is truly a threat to the sanity of the human species!

Slater - 2/17/2006

Oh, and by the way -- That "your mom is a whore"-thing generally only works on Muslims.
In Denmark it takes a little more to offend us.

Apart from that, Gary is completely right. If you managed to truly offend us, which I doubt you could, we might be mad, be we would NOT want to kill innocent Muslims over it. And that is the difference between you and us.

John NYC - 2/17/2006

Being from the US, seeing the whole thing from a distance, the bare- naked truth is:
http://www.khader.dk/flx/in_english/support_network_for_the_democratic_moslems_/

Why did it had to come to this, before a muslim "party" could be a reallity? Any Danes who will comment on this? I mean should´nt it be possible without the crisis in the great nation of Denmark?

Gary - 2/17/2006

Quote: "would you still be as liberal as you are with the concept of our prophet nesting a bomb in his turban? Would you be as mature as you want us to be and laugh along with us as we ridicule you?"

We may not like it but neither would we burn your embassy and make death threats to your citizens because of it. That's the difference between being civilized and being barbarians.

A Muslim - 2/17/2006

If you want to show sympathy for anyone in this conflict, show it to the Muslims who have been offended by this insult to our religion.

If I called your mother a filthy whore, and posted a cartoon showing her fucking a dog in Al-Jazeera, would you still be as liberal as you are with the concept of our prophet nesting a bomb in his turban? Would you be as mature as you want us to be and laugh along with us as we ridicule you?

Or would you want to murder some ragheads for insulting the saintliness of dear old mom?

If you are truly as liberal as you claim to be, if you are truly, unconditionally liberal, try to help the Muslims that the insensitivity of Europe's publishers has besmirched by buying our products, thereby helping us to appreciate the leverage that capitalism provides.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/17/2006

Infidel was trying to compliment hasan because he chose a somewhat intellectual approach this time by arguing "facts". It's true that these facts are only so in his mind and others brainwashed like him, but hey, at least he is not threatening to boycott or burn your embassy, Misra, since you pick on him so often ;-)

S Misra - 2/17/2006

Thank you Gary. Peace be unto you.

S Misra - 2/17/2006

You think Hasan is educated? Hasan has in other posts praised terrorism, praised fundamentalism, responds to arguments by attacking the messenger, not the argument, a basic error in logic, refers others to anti-gay and white-supremacist sites, has made anti-gay comments, anti-Jewish comments, including that Fox News (USA) and indeed all news is owned by Jews, and you still think this is intellectual? You've got to be kidding! He is a hack, unread in history, uncritical, and hateful. He thinks Muslims piss and fart perfume. Islam is violent. Mohammed is violent. The Koran bears witness to the use of violence. Hence, Sunni kill heretic Shiites, and Shiites kill heretic Sunni. Their god rewards homicidal murders of unarmed men women and children with the opportunity to break 72 hymens! They treat their women like property. They live by the sword, but tantrum like infants when their victims return with swords. Jesus teaches us to be nonviolent, to love our enemies, to do good to those who despitefully use us. He did not marry a child nor did he kill. Mohammed married a child! He killed! I see the difference. Jesus is superior. What Christians have often done is not justifiable by the words of Jesus, but Mohammed justifies many a crime done in his name. That is why they fear Jesus and ban evangelism in their tin horn dictatorships.

S Misra - 2/17/2006

What Danes are suffering, India suffered for a thousand years. Islam meant submission and practiced it, burning libraries, destroying temples, looting, raping, killing (don't believe me, read the histories of such people as sociologist Max Weber, mythologist Joseph Campbell, and historian H. G. Wells as well as the memoirs of Muslim courts). I always find it odd they complain about mistreatment. They knew how to dish it out, but don't seem to stop whining when it is dished out to them. They know how to live by the sword, but cry and tantrum like babies when their victims return with swords.

S Misra - 2/17/2006

I should have said, Mohammed promises 72 hymens to homicidal killers (misnamed martyrs)in "heaven." Muslims also keep their women as chattel. No nation can rise that treats their women like property, under large sacks, uneducated (they kill teachers who teach girls in Afghanistan), and unable to drive (as in Saudi Arabia, home of the so-called prophet). Women are not property. Who can trust men who enslave their mothers, grandmothers, daughters, and wives? What kind of civilization is this. No real man would do this, this systemic violence, this wholesale uncivilized dehumanization. By the way I am a man.

S Misra - 2/17/2006

Muslims practice their own form of idolatry. They demand one lifetime trip to see a rock in a desert, where hundreds get trompled, and they use repetitive phrases such as "peace be unto him (pbuh)" following the name of their prophet, a violent man (I'm not sure they see the irony of following a violent man's name with pbuh). What greater idol can there by than if all others are banned from questioning him or offering other faiths. Muslim nations do not allow evangelism. They are faithful to a violent book, a book that teaches us to kill others. Jesus teaches us to love even our enemies, to turn the other cheek. No, we need not respect a prophet who promises homicidal murderers, such as the one who killed four children on their way to school in Iraq, or the two who were murdered when a bomb went off in Pakistan. Muslims, united? Shiite kill Sunni and Sunni kill Shiites; each is a heretic to the other. Muslims are by far the greatest killers of Muslims (Bangladesh, where Pakistan killed 1-3 million in the early 1970s; Baluchistan, where they indiscriminantly bomb; and, of course, any non-Muslim is a target of kidnapping anad murder). Islam is violent. Violence destroys reason and too often allows the evil to win and not the good. Jesus, Gandhi, King, these offer a better way.

S Misra - 2/17/2006

I don't mock your religion, I question it. Just because you bow or burn incense, or chant, or kneel, or genuflect, that does not mean I cannot question the words of your faith, your holy books. Muslims are told, for example, in the Koran to kill those who refuse to believe in Islam. Jesus teaches us to preach and reason, then to walk on to those who do choose to hear. The Koran teaches violence against sinners, Jesus teaches nonviolent, loving correction by preaching. I question your Muslim holy book. That is what free and reasoning minds do, Hasan. Why are you afraid, or so overwhelmed with anger that you respond by name calling and bad jokes. And, for all your talk in the above post, I remind all in other posts, you have supported terrorism, supported fundamentalism, referred people to anti-Semitic sites and anti-gay sites, made anti-gay comments, and have accused American television news of being "controlled" by Jews, revealing yourself to be an anti-Semite. You have lost all moral standing and are in no position to throw up your hands like some idiot wrestler, you know the kind who dress up in foolish outfits, and beg for toleration when you are an intolerant, bigoted, anti-Semitic worshipper of a violent book.

S Misra - 2/17/2006

Calling names again, my intellectually challenged friend? What does being an Indian have to do with my argument; it would be equally stupid if I said you were Syrian, or Saudi, or some other Muslim nation. Your comment is incoherent. You hate Jews, you claim in another post Fox News is owned by Jews. You are an anti-Semite, a vile little hater. For all your whining about the Crusades, you did your own damage to a number of parts of Europe, where today, you are still hated, such as in the Balkans, where you brutalized the local Christians. In India, Indonesia, and elsewhere, you brutalized local people. Everyehwer you went, you left people hating you for the burning of libraries and the destruction of temples. In Africa, your Muslim ancestors made slavery a coast to coast business long before the Atlantic trade in slaves. If you live by the sword, be man enough not to whine when your victims return with swords and put you in your place. Hasan, stop whining like a baby. Respond to logic with logic, not with your ad hominem nonsense. The United States of America, The European Union, India, Israel, and other civilized nations will defeat you if you choose the sword. You are amateurs compared to Nazis and WWII Japan. You will be defeated utterly and completely because your nations are corrupt, your religion is violent, and your people are backward and ignorant. I, by the way, am buying Danish, and French, and any other nation that will stand up to you tin-horn primitives.

S Misra - 2/17/2006

Why am I not surprised you hate Jews, you anti-Semitic trash? In every Muslim country, anti-Semites rule, all the time trying to convince others that WE are all "people of the Book." No, anti-Semitic Hasan, Jesus teaches peace, Mohammed is a killer, as are his Shiite and Sunni children. When Muslims are murdered by Muslims, not another Muslim says a peep. The Koran is a book that teaches hate and murder, one only needs to read it; it is obvious to me you are a good student of that book, because you too are a vile hater and a cheerleader for murderers. You, therefore, are a good Muslim. Shame on you Hasan, Jew-hater, anti-Semite, enemy of every thinking man woman and child, enemy of God.

S Misra - 2/16/2006

5,000 Muslims killed in India? Compare it to the murder of 1-3 million Bengali Muslims by Pakistani Muslims. Nothing makes the killing of civilians right, whether they are Muslims, Hindus, Jews, Christians, or any others. So, my misspelling, noncapitalizing, synctatically challenged and historically illiterate friend, attacking me is meaningless. I agree that persecution of Dalits is wrong. I also know that the current persecution and killing of Ahmedis and Baluchis in Pakistan is wrong. I also know that the burning of Christian neighborhoods in Lebanon and the killing of Christians is wrong. But will you, my vulpinous (sic) (which I assume comes from vulpine meaning fox, so I assume this "word" means fox-like!) buddy, ever admit to a single wrong of Islam or ever respond to a single fact. You have not yet addressed one criticism of mine, only attacked. Poor Hasan. Try as you might, you cannot wrap your mind around a logical argument. Where spittle flies, reason falls, little Hasan. Read, Hasan, and do include in your readings a dictionary and a book on the rules of basic grammar.

S Misra - 2/16/2006

I am obsessed with how someone so incredibly inane can parade their intellectual and moral nakedness in public and claim to be dressed in finery. So far, you have supported terrorism, fundamentalism, have referred others to hate sites, have responded by calling names and bad "jokes" and otherwise revealed yourself to be rather inept defender of a faith that relies on violence, on a pedophile prophet, on turning women into slaves, women who never escape being used and abused even in Islamic heaven where they are reduced to hymenic trophies for homicide bombers, on the fear of losing to evangelism of other faiths (which is why your primitive nations prevent evangelism), and on idolatry, the idolatry of visiting a stone once in a lifetime. There is no Islam, Hasan, only Shiite and Sunni. Only yesterday, a man now enjoying virginal hymens in Islamic heaven murdered four children walking to school in a bombing, and two more children were killed by a Pakistani Muslim murderer now breaking hymens in heaven. What a gutter such a heaven is! With what glee you Muslims murder each other. You are your own worst enemies and no little Hasan can save the eventual demise of this cult of rock worship, worship that regularly results in hundreds, in bliss no doubt, trompling each other. Backward uncivilized so-called Muslim nations can never rise until those nations open up to evangelism, renounce violence, renounce a violent faith, and become the kind of people, who when upset, light candles and not kill babies and children and other innocents. Keep calling names, my little friend, never deal with the facts. That requires intelligence, perhaps a wit, and learning.

S Misra - 2/16/2006

Poor Hasan. The scholar is named JOSEPH Campbell, not William. Arguments are not won by idiotic assertions, or every idiot would be a philosopher. There is a God who had enough mercy on us that he sent us His Son, Jesus of Nazareth, who taught us how to suffer for our beliefs to demonstrate to others that they need not behave viciously, that might and violence can be won over by love, and the Holy Spirit is the Words of God, the common conscience of us all. If Allah was Almighty, he would have chosen a man so powerful in his example that he never had to kill to win over the world, not a man like Mohammed who married an underage girl, killed, and by his example and words taught all Muslims how to kill and why to kill. Poor Hasan! It is obvious to me you are most of all intellectually a rather small mind, unworthy of my time. If you are an example of Islamic scholarship in action, Islam is dead.

100% Danes - 2/16/2006

Peter you are an 100% asshole.
You speek for your self and only for your self.
grow up child

// 100% Denes

From Denmark - 2/16/2006

Denmark are the best cuntry in the whole world.
Free Doctor, Free Hospital, Free money to pure people, Free money to "not working" people, Free free free free... when many begin to see that many many prople begin to move to denmark. we did not have work for all thos people and they only come to take from this nice and free system. thats why we have strong rools. and that why we are called razist. it up to you. are we razist?

Gary - 2/16/2006

Quote: "I would list a few instances of smacking bitter reality mocking at the face of these civilized christian nations."

Hasan, you have not learned a single think that Misra has tried to teach you about historical FACTS. Another FACT that you choose to ignore is the blatant violence taught in your Koran. Open your mind and begin to LEARN.

Gary - 2/16/2006

Quote: "As for America, you're so dumb, do you actually think you will win a fight with the Muslim world. We will fight for hundreds of years, and eventually we will defeat you, and hopefully humiliate you, as you have done to us. Then, we will rule the world and spit on pathetic Westerners..."

You can start with me punk! Come on over and see what you think you can do in this effort. Prove to the world yet again that Islam is a VIOLENT religion. In reality, Islam is doomed to go down in history as another failed cult made up of fanatic lunatics. Have a nice day!

Knut - 2/16/2006

poor muslims, now they can't even drink real pilsner

John A - 2/16/2006

I allways drink Tuborg and will continue to do so.

I Norway we also printed the cartoon, but since we had a big oil deal happening that was worth many billions, we had to call a truce.

We printed the cartoon twice by the way. The first time was in one of our biggest papers and no one cared. The second time was in a Christian paper and our embassy in Syria was burnd down. (I think we have to stop letting these rats in to our country)

infidel - 2/16/2006

Dane, you speak english..like George bush. Is that relly YOU? dear and fearless leader? :X:X

just kidding. no worries. Post some more :-)

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/16/2006

You said it, Infidel. The intent is what matters. The Muslim's Intent for killing these hundreds of millions of people was to spread the RELIGION OF PEACE.

Can you blame them for wanting to share the love and peace of Islam with the rest of the world? Yah, the execution (pun intended) was a “bit rough”, but a good chunk of the world now believes in the RELIGION OF PEACE. Compare that to how the bloody infidels are trying to spread their evil democracy through elections and voting and you can start to see the predicament of the Muslim world created by the animalistic barbarian infidels.

Logical Muslims should thank Allah that there is not a Christian war against them. The infidels can wipe out the whole Muslim world off the world map (this line is borrowed from Ahmadinejad) within a few hours. But they don’t see a reason to do so unless their civilization and lives are seriously threatened. At that point, any rational person would not think twice about it. My life or your life is an easy answer don't you think?

Fortunately, it will not come down to this, and people will be able to read and learn about the world without everything being filtered with agenda-driven governments or Imams.

The infidels are not perfect, and so are Muslims. We need to work on our faults, and realize that after all, we all live on this earth, and should learn to co-exist, and respect each other’s way of living. And no, that does not mean respecting what YOU want me to respect. Rather, what I am convinced is worth respecting. Your actions as a good Muslim will force me to respect your religion and vice versa. As simple as that.

Pomerol - 2/16/2006

"The United States, compared to Europe (and in this case: Denmark), has a much better record of immigration of Muslims. Why?"

Comparing The United States and Europe in relation to immigration is kind of like comparing apples and oranges. United States is a country of immigrants. Having lived their myself, I always found it very funny hearing americans identifying themselves as Swedish, Danis, French etc.

Sometimes I couldn't help it and asked. "Wy don't you just call yourself american?" Usually I didn't really get an answer to this question. After 9/11 this american identity crisis has been overcome. Americans are finding it easier to identify themselves as such.

The "American dream" sure helps immigration, even though I still think the dream is somewhat unrealistic. Still this day that dream is primarily reserved for the american white caucasian males.

Walking down the streets of New York City, I don't think this dream has got much impact on the homeless sitting on their knees begging for a couple cents. Having seen the slums of Washington DC, I don't think this dream counts for all. But of course without dreams we won't ever reach the stars.

Back to Europe. Europe is not ONE. It's Impossible to sell the "European Dream" - cause it doesn't exist. We have united in EU, but EU is still a work in progress and there is a looong way to go.

The European countries used to be very homonymous in all aspects of life. And therefore the European immigration issues in this era of globalization can't be solved by looking towards United States.

We have just started building a European identity, and I don't think you and I will live to see the day, when this project has come so far, that the people of a Europe will call themselves Europeans. It's only a term used by "outsiders". I'm still a Dane. Germans are Germans. And French are French etc.

Having said this of course we must do our best to integrate foreigners with respect. But this project can't be solved if every time we integrate one person there is another twenty waiting in line. Of course if these twenty would at least respect the European beleifs in democracy this would help a lot. But reality unfortunately isn't that beautiful..

You might say that my vies are typical European. And I would agree.

Last but not least sorry about you girlfriends experience in Europe. She must have been hanging out with the wrong crowds. Not all Europeans are racists - in fact I would argue that most aren't.

Having highlighted the fact that Europe is not ONE. Maybe you guys should take another trip around Europe and take a good look again.

The Canadian way I can't be jealous of. I have been there myself on a visit to Toronto and Niagra Falls. But I know nothing about Canadian Immigration politics. You guys are usually very quite. Maybe it's because The United States is shouting too loud. But we don't really hear that much from our Canadian friends. Last time I heard from you was in the dispute about Hans Ø! Maybe that dispute has influenced the canadians perspectives when your heads turn towards Denmark...

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

I the West, "bondage", or the BDSM (Bondage and Discipline, Sado-Masochism) scene is usually understood to involve only *willing* participants. Anything else is called rape, and that is considered and treated as a crime.

F o S - 2/16/2006

Sounds good!

BUY DANISH:

http://www.buy-danishproducts.com/

http://www.buydanish.net/

http://www.madeindenmark.org/

Cheers!

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Amen, Polo, amen.

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

I read you. i'm eating my "freedom fries" right now!

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Casper,

European, as well as other politicians the world over, must learn that it is only *actions* that *physically* endanger others that should be illegal and enforced against.

A fringe political or religious group advocating some wicked or hairbrained notions cannot properly be outlawed, unless they are also, objectively, threatening the physical safety of others.

Rather than outlaw weird groups, a better approach might be criminal investigations of plans to commit bodily harm, or damage to property, when those plans become evident, and probable cause, then, exists. Probable cause will invariably be triggered at some point - usually sooner rather than later - when rogues are planning such mischief.

In the context of a *war* on terrorism (not a normal civil condition, to be sure), any immediate actions that stop a mass-murdering by the thug(s) of the moment - and that don't generally abridge the basic civil liberties that should always be the usual condition of life - should be considered at least partly vindicated by the life-saving result.

This being said - and though I'm not familiar with the group of which you speak - you're right that oddball, and even morally bad, groups and individuals should not be outlawed, so long as their activities truly are only speech, and not some physically harmful action.

Thomas - 2/16/2006

So-called "Danish pastries" are extremely popular around the world.

Bakeries in IRAN have been ordered to change the name of Danish pastries - to "Roses of the Prophet Muhammad".
Iran has already cut all commercial ties with Denmark, banning all Danish imports in retaliation for the Mohammed cartoons, which have sparked violent protests across the Islamic world.

Trust this will spark protest across the Western world, that Iran in the first place misused the word of freedom = Danish.

At the same time a footnote about 'safe handling' of the nuclear bomb could be stated ....

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Nice to meet you, Slater. :)

Slater - 2/16/2006

Of course. Cheating on his wife was stupid, but it was their business, and theirs alone.

a dane - 2/16/2006

Sorry of course i mean hate...

I think about many years Bush and Fogh Andersen will be known as them there protect the Free Speach ( Really Sorry my english :( )

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

A politician, by seeking power, is obligated to consider him/herself to be accountable to the people (s)he serves, and, yes, should be legally enjoined from lying to the public about the public's business.

An exception to this rule can reasonably be made with regard to a purely personal matter (an issue that can't properly be considered a matter of state). It is for this last reason that I defended President Clinton during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, even though - technically - he lied.

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

I'm not quite clear about what you mean.. Could you repeat that?

Slater - 2/16/2006

I am in complete and total agreement.
About time someone (other than me ;) ) quit their whining, and realized that we are not only entitled by law to offend, but also morally free to do so.

The only exception I can think of (IMHO that is - you may disagree), is that politicians and governments should NOT be allowed to lie to the people.

Slater - 2/16/2006

It's perfectly alright - your points are as valid as anyone else's. I just want to make sure I understand you.

So basically you mean:
"I have respect for Islam, but not those who burn our embassies, hate our queen and burn Danish flags"

I do believe most of us completely agree. Moderate Muslims are fine, but those few retards who are burning, rioting and threatening over a couple of innocent cartoons, need to have their asses stiched into footballs and kicked back to the stone age where they belong.

Casper - 2/16/2006

Some partyes in denmark actually want to make hitz'ut'tahrir illegal....

That would be devestating to our democracy

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Yes, they do.

Positive expression of all information, including opinions, not the supression of the same, is one of the methods whereby we may gropingly "find our way", as it were, back to the light.

In a free marketplace of ideas, it is the best - that is to say, the *truest* - ideas that ultimately win. But the honest and the good had better speak up - or forever hold their peace...

Casper - 2/16/2006

mark - Just remember that freedom of speech also signify the right to think that democracy is not the right way to go!

People like Hitz-ut-Tahrir, neonazis and other extreme groups has the right to utter their views

a dane - 2/16/2006

Very Thank you

We cant stand alone as a little country we is .. only 5 million people !

a dane - 2/16/2006

Sorry my english a little bit

Abassade=embassy
Hadge=Hade ( I think :o )

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

As far as I know, I have not purchased Danish goods before, but I'll be looking for them now.

The core issue here is freedom of expression, which must be upheld and defended without any compromise at all, and without sparing *anyone's* feelings.

As an American, I must accept that if someone wishes to burn a U.S. flag, I have a civic duty to tolerate that, even if I don't like it. Likewise "politically correct" speech codes must be abolished - eveywhere; in Europe and the world over (if possible) as well as in my own country.
If someone is a Nazi - repugnant though that is - and wishes to deny the Holocaust, he's wrong. But as long as he's otherwise behaving himself and not physically threatening others, he should be free to persue his folly.

If the Danes, or any of the rest of us, whish to criticize Jews, Christians, Islam, Mom, apple pie, God, or anything else, that is our categorical right to do so. And if the radical Muslims want to make fun of the Holocaust, so be it - as long as they don't in the process try to create a new holocaust!

Yes, we should be ethical, courteous, honest, civil, and even kind and compassionate toward one another. And the better specimens of humanity do just this very thing. But this is a *moral* prerogative, NOT a political one, or a matter for any forcible suppression, by either third parties or the state.

The primary issue, gentle reader, is yours, and my own, *right to exist*. This right to exist is a categorical *right*, not a privilege or permission. We are not required to pay for that right to exist by making other people happy with either ourselves, or our opinions. This right is a *birthright* of ALL human beings.

If we truly find each other so insufferable because of our opinions or any other personal characteristics, we each have the responsibility to do our utmost to avoid and/or ignore each other, not to try to forcibly silence each other.

If someone is spouting vicious nonsense, don't resort to censorship. Instead, exercise your own right to free expression and SPEAK UP! And say that what they are expressing is wrong!

Henry Levenger - 2/16/2006

As a Canadian, I do not see much immigration, but in order for me to explain my point of view about Denmark's problems, I will explain America's immigration consequences (both good and bad)for two groups (Muslims and Latinos).

The United States, compared to Europe (and in this case: Denmark), has a much better record of immigration of Muslims. Why?

1. They attract educated professionals, which have succeeded so well, that their average income is better than most Americans. Most Muslims in the country are engineers, doctors, etc.; they are not poor.

2. While there is a large amount of Muslims (almost as many as there is in Europe), due to the sheer size of the US, they make up a small percentage of the country. Thus, even though they may share different ideals than Christian Anglo-Americans, they're not very threatening.

3. While I think the US has many, many, many faults, they have done well by successfully selling immigrants on being "American". Immigrants feel they are part of the country, not just residing in it.

4. The US is closer to the Muslim world's ideals than Europe. In other words, they are more conservative than Europe, Canada, or South America. Even conservative Muslims, feel more comfortable here than in European life.

As for Latinos (mostly Mexicans, but there is also a huge amount of Central and South Americans), they have come to make up a large percentage of the country (much greater percentage than Muslims represent in most European countries). This has been good and bad.

1. As I said before, these Latinos feel a part of the "American dream". Moreover, most Latinos are Christian and their ideals mirror those of Anglo-Americans.

2. Yet, the sheer number of immigrants means that a large amount will be uneducated. Thus, most Latinos make less than the average American, and has led to some discourse.

Denmark (and Europe for that matter), have the worst of both worlds. They have a growing amount of Muslims coming into their countries, which means many are uneducated--not professionals. Combine this with the fact that European ideals differ greatly from those of Islam, and that Europe has a hard time selling the image of being "European" and you have trouble. My girlfriend is actually of Brazilian descent, but looks "Arab", and I was shocked by the level of racism she received in Europe. She walks freely in Canada or America (we have never heard insults in either country), but in your parts she felt belittled--imagine how a true "Muslim-European" feels.

Oh, and Canada is the best country in the world. We combine the few positives of the US and Europe and make a wonderful country; something Americans and Europeans are jealous of.

Slater - 2/16/2006

Ehm.. I think I understand most of what you're trying to write, although it may need to be spelled out to English-speakers that "ambassade" is embassy...

But what the hell is "hadge" supposed to mean?

Alvaro - 2/16/2006

Good Spaniards will help our Danish brothers in this crisis. We will fight for freedom speech and will consume products from Denmark. We must to protect our civilization from muslim menace.

Pomerol - 2/16/2006

A form of critical optic must be used in the reading of all books. Hasan I really don't think you have been using such a critical optic. And I'm really surprised, since I got the feeling, that you are an educated muslim. Is this really the result of reading a couple thousand book or are you just on a non-violent warfare trying to justify Islam. If that is the reason I kinda of understand, but what you have written above in an insult to your own knowledge I believe....

Pomerol - 2/16/2006

"America has a huge image problem, and Europe (more specifically Denmark) has a huge immigration problem."

Image problem I cannot deny. Since even some Canadians are uninformed ignorants and therefore holds a rather upsurd perception this must be your "truth" at the moment.

I'm still wondering about where this immigration problem is to be found within Denmark.

Danish immigration laws aren't strict compared to other EU countries.

We are at the moment thinking about getting more educated people to Denmark, due to the fact that a majority of the foreigners that have immigrated to Denmark are not very well educated - and that is a problem. We are trying to deal with it by paying for their education - even university degrees are paid for by the state.

Denmark is known around the world for its public welfare. But this public welfare can only be kept alive, if the majority of the danish population contributes to this system. No wonder Denmark is considered a paradise for people who needs help. In Denmark you can practically sit down in front of your TV all your life. If you don't want to work - don't worry about it - The state will take care of your laziness. If you get sick - don't worry about it - the state will pay your bills. And it goes on. I like this welfare system - but at the moment we really need to attract educated people to keep it running. Now if you consider that to be racist thought - I have no problem being categorized as such.

A Dane - 2/16/2006

I think many Muslims are sick in there head not moderate muslims but them down in the middle east !! They burning ambassade hadge our queen and burning danish flags !!
I think they have to say sorry becouse its much more worse than drawing 12 Muhammed Cartoons !!
I have respeckt for islam buch not them there burning ambassade hadge our queen and burning danish flags
I alsoe think it will be sick if we burning the Coran ...

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Amen.

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Hear, hear!

infidel - 2/16/2006

1) The Crusades launched to reinstate christian supremacy where school going children were also used to launch an offensive against muslims.

The Crusades were justifiable efforts to repel the islamic hordes that had invaded and occupied the holy land. There were SOME instances extreme moslem-like behavior, such as Richard the Lionheart's slaughter of hostages. Yet the crusades were totally against what Jesus taught: to turn the other cheek. Thus it was the christians' fault. Not christianity's. On the other hand Mohammad was a WARLORD and practised and advocated slaughter.

2) British Christians launching an attack on sub-continent enslaving muslims and indians.

Is THAT so? Britain brought the rule of law, railways, a sense of history (your indus valley civilization wasnt known to the world until British archaeologists dug it out;)), a unified "India" and more importantly (LISTEN to this Hasan) the British did not destroy a SINGLE hindu temple. Did.Not.Destroy.a.Single.Hindu.TempleAre you listening? The British did not make war on the ENTIRE populations like the moslem hordes did. 35-40 million hindus were slaughtered in roughly 800 years. The total number of DIRECT casualties inflicetd by 300 years can not exceed a few hundred thousand, most of it counting the armies of the local princes. The count goes up only when you include the famines -which were a result of administrative ineptitude , not doctrinally induced orgies of christianity.

3) Tyranically sucking all nations in World War 1 and 2

Yes Germany went nuts. Yet it wasn't guided by "christianity". Before you say these things think about just what a life Jesus led and what he said (allegedly) in the bible. All the madness of christians is due to human fallibility not the religion itself. Coming back to the WWs, it was the same "christians" who overcame the insanity, and indirectly lifted the burden of colonialism from the backs of much of the third world.
Today's arabs are amusingly pro-Nazi, but brown people would've been exterminated from the face of the earth if Hitler had succeeeded in developing the nukes first. You should be turning towards washington and praying 5 times a day instead of towards mecca.
America had the sole dominance of the earth for nearly 3 years (nukes i.e). What would mohammad do with such god-like power to exterminate civilizations? The question you should be asking is not why two nukes were dropped on militaristic Japan. You should be asking yourself: they dropped only two and then STOPPED when there was no one else to stop them. Why? Think about this for a while.

4) Hitler and Nazis promotes Christian Supremacy movement by conducting mass killings of jews with the blessings of the Church

Hitler promoted christian supremacy? hitler was a "pagan" obsessed with symbols and mysticism. You should read more Nazi history and literature.( And I dont mean the Qu'ran and teh Hadiths and the mainstream arab-press). As for the church, yes it was a shame that the cowardly pope kept quiet.

5) Civilized Christian Americans dropped Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima on Nagasaki thereby reliving their cherished memories of Holocaust.

Go back to the earlier reply. Why only two? how many wouldve mohammad dropped? Would mohammad have rebuilt the entire Japanese civilization from scratch and helped it to become the second largest economy in the world? Why is Japan the second most important Ally of America today? They are _Afraid_ that america might disengage and leave the east asian theater. WHY?

6) GOD fearing christians go on a rampage in vietnam wiping out an entire generation of innocent vietnamese.

Nothing to do with christianity. Or Jesus. Islam's violence has got everything to do with mohammad and the Qu'ran. BIG difference.

7) Tyrant christians starts unrest and conflict throughout the world to gain control of natural resources throught Africa & Middle East.

Consider the alternatives. Moslems invaded india countless times to subjugate and slaughter its people. Destroy thousands of temples. They tried to do that to france in 732 A.D and were soundly defeated/destroyed by Charlemagne's grandpappy. ;) The turks were stopped from infesting Europe at the gates of vienna a thousand years later. Arabs swept out of their bedouin homelands in arabia and occupied, destroyed, enslaved and exterminated the indigeous peoples of north africa. Thats why its part of the "Arab" league today. The slaughter still continues. By the way the arabs/moslems STARTED the slave trade in Africa. HELLO? Its just that the English took over and as usual, did a much better job than everyone else. Its not the lack of desire on the part of arabs/moslems to conquer and dominate, but islam doesnt have the inherente intelligence, strength and character to ACHIEVE it. Unlike the Belgians or the Boers in S.A, the British and french empires were spreading concepts sanitation, mass literacy, railways, technology, rule of law to the moslems and others. (while siphoning off MOST of the profits ..not ALL)

8) Serbian Christians raging war against Bosnian Muslims.

9) Christian tyrants killing innocent Afghans in Afghanistan.

oh really? Afghanistan was a buddhist region before the arabs and turkmen invaded, pillaged and DESTROYED everything that looked like anything to do with infidels. There is a mountain range called "Hindu Kush". Look up your encyclopedia to figure out just WHAT that means. In the 4 years of war, the number of "innocent" afghans killed hasnt exceeded thousands. Moslems AIM for collateral damage. Big difference.

10) Christian killing machine (USA) unleashed to kill and murder Iraqi civilians.

Thank god its not an islamic killing machine. Otherwise there would BE no iraq today. No protests, elections, conferences.

11) Civilized Christians raped, sexually abused, disgraced and brutally murdered muslim men and women throughout Iraq and Afghanistan.

Yeah? probably at .001% of what the arab, turk, turkmen hordes have done to ALL their neighbors, over CENTURIES. Learn more about teh Ottoman empire's methods of waging war, for example, before you spew what they tell you in the arab press.
Its ALL about the SCALE, intent and internal corrective measures, that set the english-speaking "christian" world apart from the moslems. How many moslems were ever convicted of killing a non-moslem. In the centuries-long history of this morbid death-cult?

If Christians are so evil, then WHY are the moslems lining up in these evil christian embassies to get into countries built by Christians? What RIGHT do the moslems have to even set foot on Danish soil?

From electricity to computers to internet to radio to television to practically everything, its all the evil christian's inventions anyway? ;)

Yaseen Taufeeque - 2/16/2006

If we believe in the freedom of speech we should also belive in respecting others and to avoide spread of misleadng, unrealistic propoganda that hurts others and creats intolernce. We sholud also be very responsible for assuring peace & prosperity in the society.

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Dear Sir,

Allow me to clarify my position.

What I meant by the root of this post, is that evil - at least *moral* evil - is protected in a free society. This does NOT mean that *crime* (the physical initiation of force) is permissible or tolerable.

If any fascist individuals, or groups, such as Hisb' ut Tahrir, or any others commit crimes, or advocate the commission of crimes in such a way as to have a commanding presence to their operatives, and thus pose a clear and imminent *physical* danger to others, they may be properly arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - or killed, if need be.

No, the right to freedom of speech has the purpose of protecting our right to life. It does not ever require us to sacrifice, or to endanger, that right.

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

So true, Slater,

I DON'T believe the Bible, or in it (literally, I'm am atheist), but I - symbolically, at least - am a Satanist for the reasons to which you refer.

European - 2/16/2006

Hasan - you've been reading to much Al Qaida literature: the western worlds many "faults" in history, isn't about christianity... or at least, it is a minor player in this!

The "measuring" of religions, that you are doing, is a sign that your religion has a minority-complex, don't you think?! And its a measure, that YOU think everythinh is religion - well luckily, its not the case, or the world would be in real deep trouble now. Imagine the muslim world running things, when they get SO upset by a cartoon...real scary thought!

Go read so more books - but read the right ones - ok!?

hasan - 2/16/2006

The west has often projected themselves as the most civilized of nations left on the face of this world. Nowadays many christians have started claiming their religion to be superior then islam. The christian supremacy movement is not new infact the roots date back to the early days of islam and beyond. I would list a few instances of smacking bitter reality mocking at the face of these civilized christian nations.

1) The Crusades launched to reinstate christian supremacy where school going children were also used to launch an offensive against muslims.

2) British Christians launching an attack on sub-continent enslaving muslims and indians.

3) Tyranically sucking all nations in World War 1 and 2

4) Hitler and Nazis promotes Christian Supremacy movement by conducting mass killings of jews with the blessings of the Church

5) Civilized Christian Americans dropped Atomic Bombs on Hiroshima on Nagasaki thereby reliving their cherished memories of Holocaust.

6) GOD fearing christians go on a rampage in vietnam wiping out an entire generation of innocent vietnamese.

7) Tyrant christians starts unrest and conflict throughout the world to gain control of natural resources throught Africa & Middle East.

8) Serbian Christians raging war against Bosnian Muslims.

9) Christian tyrants killing innocent Afghans in Afghanistan.

10) Christian killing machine (USA) unleashed to kill and murder Iraqi civilians.

11) Civilized Christians raped, sexually abused, disgraced and brutally murdered muslim men and women throughout Iraq and Afghanistan.

If i go on and on in chronological order with detail i could end up creating a biggest encyclopedia of christian opression and terrorism. These civilized christian forces are still on the road and still a few more countries left for them to destroy. What a GOD fearing humble religion you are promoting

Slater - 2/16/2006

Actually DON'T buy Arla. Danes don't. They hate Arla, because of the way they conduct business. They've just been fined 5 million DKK for abusing their stance to get rid of competition.

Slater - 2/16/2006

If I believed in the Bible, I'd be a Satanist for sure.

The reason? Lucifer is for free speech, God is not!

Just look at the story with the apple in the garden of Eden. God didn't want them to know the truth, but Lucifer, represented by the snake, did.

There is a reason Lucifer means The Lightbringer (or The Bringer of Enlightenment)

Slater - 2/16/2006

You do realize there are over 800 million Americans and Europeans, right?

You'd better hurry up if you're going to fuck us all :)

Slater - 2/16/2006

Alright, so.. what you're saying is Canadians know more about how racist Danes are, than Danes?
You are basing this on what? The actions of one newspaper? The fact that they are starting to think about more strict immigration laws, because the country simply can't hold any more people?

Are you a complete retard? Are these words too long for you? Should I outline the syllables for you? I can read this aloud very slowly and mail you the tape.

Slater - 2/16/2006

Heh. In case there were any doubts, that WAS slightly exaggerated. Nevertheless, I am tired of snobs who think they are more eloquent because they have a *smaller* vocabulary than me.

In any other situation, I would start monologing about the validity of swearing, and the improved understanding it causes, if used correctly.

In this case however, suffice to say: This whole debate is over freedom of speech, which includes expetives.

So shut the fuck up ;)

fgh - 2/16/2006

Well - thats denmark for you: we have to accept the fascist fuck-ups of Hisb' ut Tahrir, marching our streets with their nazi-propaganda.
Have to listen to their filth and anti-semitism! I just hope they break the law, so we can tear down their hipocrite lying league of loosers!

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/16/2006

Dear Sune,
Please take your time to read whats you comments on before writing...
Henrik (not me) does NOT say all muslims are terrorist...so Sune, read and understand...

Bus - 2/16/2006

Pakistan - yearh right, the place to be: looks like hell to me...

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

muhammed likes jizz in his ass.

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

"fuk" allah..

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

LEGO MY EGGO.

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

MODEERF RUOY KCUF

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

FUCK JESUS! FUCK ALLAH!
FUCK MOSES AND DAVID!

HAIL SATAN!

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

FUCK JESUS! FUCK ALLAH!
FUCK MOSES AND DAVID!

HAIL SATAN!

Mark Linham - 2/16/2006

Goddamnmotherfucking mohammed is like a big old turd stuck up the ass. Let's shit him out.

Infidel - 2/15/2006

Troll alert ;)

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

Sometimes when I'm constipated, I feel like it's goddamnmotherfucking MOHAMMED IN MY ASS!! Can you believe it?!

Or if allah is everywhere, the he fo sho is in my ass! Think about it!

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

A sense of humor goes with intelligence.

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

A sense of humor goes with intelligence.

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

HEAR! HEAR!

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

You do not truly respect freedom of expression, if you only defend that expression that you agree with.

You must also defend freedom of speech for people you consider EVIL in order to be a true advocate of freedom.

And you must be an advocate of freedom in order to be an advocate of life.

And you must be an advocate of life in order to be the sort of person who, together with others who understand this, will help to build a happy and prosperous world.

So let's get moving on this, people. We have a world to win!

Think.. Be free.. And WIN!

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

I like your post. I'm an American leftist too.

Two points on which I would differ, however:

1. Offending cartoons - or any other form of expression - MUST be broadcast whenever a person has the inclination. It's not the legal and political right alone, but also the actual exercise of individual freedoms, that as a pair ensures that those freedoms will indeed be protected and kept.

2. The left and the right should not compromise, but rather agree to be objective and fair with one another, and stop trying to violate individual rights.

To a happy - and free - world commonwealth. Cheers!

Hasib of Pakistan - 2/15/2006

I agree. Americans are stupid and arrogant, while Europeans are spineless and arrogant.

The only thing Muslims and Americans can agree on is that Europeans can't get anything done, because they have no power. That's why they want the Americans to do their dirty work, then they "criticize" them, so that they will look good in the world's eyes---YOU WON'T, YOU'RE JUST AMERICA'S BITCHES. You're like the girls who sit in stands and watch fights between men, and then try to kiss the ass of the winner.

As for America, you're so dumb, do you actually think you will win a fight with the Muslim world. We will fight for hundreds of years, and eventually we will defeat you, and hopefully humiliate you, as you have done to us. Then, we will rule the world and spit on pathetic Westerners! Have a nice day!!

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

No thanks. We can fuck ourselves just fine, thank you very much!

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

You're wrong.

Unabashed FREEDOM of expression, and boldness therein is critical to keeping those freedoms.

Censors the world over must learn that we will not be silenced.

Moreover, appeasement doesn't work.

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

Well said, Slater.

Henry Levenger - 2/15/2006

We Canadians, unlike you, do not have this problem. It seems that Europeans and Americans are in trouble, but we're not. America has a huge image problem, and Europe (more specifically Denmark) has a huge immigration problem. You guys have to deal with the issues, even if reality is not driving the problems, but instead incorrect perceptions.

European - 2/15/2006

Its not about denmark: this is about, that criticism of islam is being restricted - instead of having a fruitfull debate about culture-clash, the right wing succedes in painting their grim picture... and the picture seems true to many these days; but we will fight it, together with moderate muslims who are sick and tired of the way their religion is being abused.
The islamist imams have had TO Much influence in europe - especially Britain, where the hate speech only rivals the neo-nazis!
We have a deep and seroius problem, that we need to face before its to late: we should isolate the ultra right- left- and islamist ways of living, before they torch all the liberties our grandfathers fought for!
The dream of islamists is to have a state under sharia law - no democracy!
Americans have taken their beatings defending "the free world", and has been laughed at by selfconfident europeans. I guess everybody is re-thinking this these days...
My analysis is; the muslim world just torched the "blind eyed" support they have recieved for years. Tough times are ahead, and europe just had its "wake-up call" about this islamo-fascism, most arab nations are supporting or being controlled by!
We are not dealing with states and the civilized way of communication - we are dealing with a geo-politcal mess of powerplay from a inferior and demolished religion (by years of internal struggle and supression), hijacked by a few anti-democratic islamists, that the moderates is in NO POSITION to control!
The war on terror is a mess - but what is the possibilities for us?
How can we embrace moderate islam, while we fight the brainwashed islamists and their terrorist attacks?
I think the problem is within the structure of islam, and in our simplified ways of dealing with it!
European politics is NOT the way to do it.
Bush is not the way to do it - but how do we kill islamism, without hurting ordinary muslims?
This is not a clash of cultures - its a clash of (I dont know how to express this, but); evolving culture, and regressive culture...
We don't want to go back (islamism), but we want to move forward incorporating islam as any religion. So how do we do it?
By setting up standards that are NOT NEGOTIONABLE: as free speech, free religion, equal rights, womens rights, childrens rights.

Everyone is feeling american these days, because of the way you usually talk about these liberties... we just feel asleep in europe, using the better of 60 years, mending the scars of the last fascist threat: Islamism is the new one (not islam, but islamism!)
We will not accept - we will fight this intolerance!

Believe us!

enon - 2/15/2006

If you look at the sheer statistic you will find out that Denmark has the lowest rate of racists attacks in all of europe. Combined that with what Denmark is doing to contribute around the world, despite its size, you have no reason to go "explore". Why dont you, Henry Levenger and the Canadians go explore on the real issue of these cartoons..

Bus - 2/15/2006

aheem...
Lets listen to this outcry of feeling minor: Islam is faced with serious PR problems; terrorists are hijacking normal followers of this, normally, peacefull religion, but only few muslims defend islam from this fate:
Moderate muslims must unite, to defend their religion towards the infidell cowards of islamism. Its so simple! Stand up for your religion, in a humane and civilized way, and you will have our respect. Its the only way for you to clear the name of islam... stand up - say no to violence, say no to islamism!
Build a tolerant islam, suited for the world of today, or feel the emptiness of the rest of the world turning their backs!

Do something about the "death cult" that hijacked your religion - and we will respect your belief!

Pomerol - 2/15/2006

"perception is more important than reality"

Yes your are right, and that is why Danes should not eat this raw. Danes should instead confront ignorants with facts. At the moment some Danes are actually starting to believe in the out of line debate Bullshit. Now that I find very scary - we are brought up to be democrats - and democrats do not take a bow due to some insubstantial argument set forth by a politician, who thinks he has found Wisdom Valley.

Henry Levenger - 2/15/2006

Well, I kind of agree with the Americans--sadly, perception is more important than reality. Here in Canada, the perception is that you guys are racist. Even your debates are seen as a method to end the violence, rather than an opportunity to explore racism in your country.

Pomerol - 2/15/2006

"I agree with Jerry. You Danes need to fix it, but how?--I don't know. However, I think you need to exhibit caution in your instinct to withdraw aid to the Middle East."

It's not even a topic in Denmark. No one has suggested that we take away the aid. But you are right - we find it rather upsurd to be hated by people, we are trying to help.

About the healthcare in US - make it happen - it's a good idear. Clinton had some good projects - this was one of them.

Lawrence Mackey - 2/15/2006

I agree with Jerry. You Danes need to fix it, but how?--I don't know. However, I think you need to exhibit caution in your instinct to withdraw aid to the Middle East.

I am an American soldier, and when I travel abroad, I am constantly insulted; people have this image that all American soldiers are like those in Abu-Gharaib. Many other soldiers and sadly a MAJORITY of fellow civilians have suggested withdrawing all of our help to these regions (both the Middle East and Europe). They argue that this position would "teach" Europe and the Mid-East how much we do contribute to their societies--financially, culturally, and militarily. We have enough problems at home, and perhaps the extra money could be used for our own good--like free healthcare!!

Yet, I disagree with this belief, and I am scared that the same idea is growing among Danes; they want to teach the Mid-East how much they have contributed, and how much would be lost. You must prevent this message from growing, before it becomes a majority thought like it is becoming in America.

Pomerol - 2/15/2006

"we must ask ourselves, if we are being right with the immigrant discussion in denmark: I think we started right, but forgot to give the moderates a chance, before the extreme left and right started shouting their "them and us"."

I have been asking myself that question many times during the last couple of weeks. To be honest I think it's BULSHITT. The debate hasn't been out of line. A few politicians have shown their albows, but in general I think it has been a pretty reasonable debate. When I read the paper or turn on the TV and listen to some politician from around the world commenting on this very point - I shake my head and think - this person is speaking about a debate he has never heard. He does not know of the danish language and is making a speech about the danish debate in general based upon a few highlights. I must say the reliability of those politicians statements hits rock buttom. And should be categozised as such - Nonsense.
My teachers would flunk me badly, if I didn't have more empirical data to support my views.

Jerry Plainlein - 2/15/2006

I agree that Danes are more to the middle than the U.S., but that doesn't mean you have different problems. Unfortunately, the Danish are going to be hated among the Middle East for years to come, no matter what occurs within the next months. Is it wrong?--absolutely. But Danes need to focus on what is needed to be done now, not debate what has already occurred.

Take it from me, I'm American. I feel very proud of my country, and yet when I travel abroad (especially Europe), I am constantly insulted. Why?--because all Americans are war-hungry, uneducated, and arrogant. It doesn't matter that I am left-leaning, against Bush, and against the Iraq war; all that matters is the perception of Americans, which is probably worse in the Middle East. You Danes have an opportunity to limit the damage that has been done.

In previous posts, Danish citizens have mentioned all the good they have done for the Middle Eastern region, and have asked how those things could be forgotten. Well, the answer is no one cares. I believe that America has done much for the world, yet everyone wants to focus on things we have done wrong. When I traveled abroad, I was amazed by how the media constantly depicted the US in a negative manner (not just in Europe, it seemed everywhere except Asia). Right now, the same attitude towards Danes is happening in the Middle East. Fix it, or you'll be hated as much as Americans for years to come.

USAMA - 2/15/2006

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Pomerol - 2/15/2006

"You have made all Danes, Danish products, Danish companies etc suffer but we are not all to blame."

Henrik no one said you have to accept this image drawn by an upset crowd of muslims surfing on a hatewave. Don't let anyone fool with your mind. You are still the same person, that you were yesterday. All you have to do is to show it to yourself and your surroundings. Last but not least - not even Jyllandsposten can be blamed for the muslim anger management problem. They will have to carry that weight themselves.

Sune Jensen - 2/15/2006

Not all moslims are terrorist. It is the picture the USA and Israël has done. PLO, Black September (Munich-hostages) as some of them but not all

Vik - 2/15/2006

The real funny thing is; denmark is the political picture of "being in the middle". We had no ultra-left or ultra-right, that had definite influence ever: shure, there was the extreme left during the cold war, wanting the socialist revolution. Sure, we have the extreme right, wanting the end of the multi-cultural society... but no matter how much the press tries to define danish policy - they have to accept, that danish policy has ALWAYS been in the middle (its really different from the US, where elections really means a difference)
WE ARE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD - PLEASE UNDERSTAND!
That doesn't mean that we are afraid of challenging taboos and the things hard to discuss - we have in our time, maybe too much: anything has been turned around, mocked, and restated.
I think that the danish society is much free'r than the US, because we dont have their history, with their taboos - but then again, we must ask ourselves, if we are being right with the immigrant discussion in denmark: I think we started right, but forgot to give the moderates a chance, before the extreme left and right started shouting their "them and us".
I do believe we have made mistakes when stating our demands for being in danish democracy - but this situation is absurd: we are the humanistic and free - this attack on the basis of all danish, should be thrown down...
Who attacks us: dictatorships and islamist fundamentalists - I say: go burn yourselves - we've done better than you, we've tried to help your civil society in any way, we helped the poor and the downtrotten, the women suffering under patriachist religion, prisoners of war, prisoners of politics... I demand respect on our principles!

We are Vikings, and if you dont back of - we will put our boats at sea, and come mess you up - you remember?

Goodnight and goodbye...

Henrik - 2/15/2006

If we in Denmark should look at muslims like you look at all Danes then that would make you all a bunch of Terrorists!

You have made all Danes, Danish products, Danish companies etc suffer but we are not all to blame.

Who are you to judge all people of a nation because a news paper publishes 12 pictures that needs to be understood in the context of danish socity? If I was to judge you like that then you all Terrorists.

p.s guess you do not know denmark that well our flag is just as holy as your Profet yet you burn and walk over it shame on you...

H

Bus - 2/15/2006

I've seen muslim cartoons of jews, and the israeli state much worse than the mohammad-cartoons.

The world don't care for you childish demands - every goodwill towards you, has been torched; dont you understand?! You just made your case SO SIMPLE to refuse - you really have nothing; don't you understand?
I'm sorry if you can't see this global blunder of islam... people are shaking their heads in disbelief of your "comic" ways!

Peace be with you, but leave your minority-complex behind when you're dealing with the world and their belief in humankind!

Fazal - 2/15/2006

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Mark Thomas - 2/15/2006

I dont think we shld do this....their anger is justified ..their religion is important to them...n along wid freedom f expression we also stress respect for others religion n culture..Have WE forgotten that....i dont support this!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/15/2006

Keep buying Danish products.

Especially products by Arla. The company most boycott campaigns are targeting.

Viva to Denmark, and the free world.

John Locke - 2/15/2006

Yes, I have seen them, and while they obviously were not offensive to me, I know that in Islam they would be insulting.

Now, I understand your stances that we cannot lose our principles in order to appease a particular religion. There is a fine line to be drawn, and we must ask where does it end? But you could debate those principles in all aspects of media. Why do we not use images portraying blacks as "dirty niggers", even if it is a joke? Its because we understand they would find offense in that terminology, just like Muslims are offended by cartoons portraying their main prophet as a terrorist. If "nigger" cartoons were posted, I guarentee that there would be some form of boycott taken, although probably not the violence-WHICH I CONDEMN. As I wrote before, I think that extremists are beginning to take over Islam. In the U.S., rightly or wrongly, religious offence is taken into account in most media.

Many people have debated why the West and Islam seem to be dividing, and I believe that the media has a large part (certainly, other aspects like immigration, extremism, War in Iraq, terrorism, etc. have larger roles) in this division. Now, everything can be seen on hundreds of channels, internet sites, and blogs. For instance, do you agree with recent postings of abuses by British and American soldiers that occurred between 2 and 3 years ago? Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but you certainly understand that this will create even greater chaos in that region, and will lead to even more hatred for the West.

Did they have the right to publish these images?----yes.

Should they have, especially at the height of tensions between Islam and the West?----I don't know.

Tho as - 2/15/2006

Why on earth shouldn´t the cartoons
have been published ?

Just one simple question:
HAVE YOU SEEN THEM ?

It's weird that Moslems are offended by some cartoons, one showing a bomb in a turban, when NO Moslems are offended when the bombs go off in the name of Allah in Madrid, Baghdad, London, Bali, Beirut and so on....

Can anybody see the perspective ?

Pomerol - 2/15/2006

"How do we expect the Muslim countries to unite peacefully if we cannot do so ourselves."

I don't think all the muslim countries will unite peacefully.
I'm hoping the muslims in the West will create new lifestyles that makes it possible for them to combine Democracy and Islam. Thousands of muslims have already done just that.

We will always have extreme leftists and rightists. Our main goal must be to keep these parties out in dark. This must be done not with force, but by educating our people.
The leftists and rightists will never unite. I'm not trying to hold on to a a pessimistic view - but wouldn't it be dreaming too much to think the 3. world war won't ever happen. But of course we must do our best to prevent it.

Slater - 2/15/2006

One question: Why SHOULDN'T they have been published?
We all know it was legal, and most of us agree it was the newspaper's right to do it... but a lot of us still seem to think it was morally wrong. Why?

Is it also morally wrong, but legal, to eat pigs and cows, one of which is offensive to muslims, the other worshipped by Hindus?

Is it morally wrong, but legal, to take pictures or make drawings of ANY person, because that is Haram as well?

Is it morally wrong, but legal, for western girls to walk around without veils and burkas, because that offends some Muslims?

I know many people think that JP published the drawings with the INTENT of offending them, but do you KNOW that?

There is a reason we don't have laws against offending people in the west. Because no matter what we do, somewhere out there, there's a lunatic who is offended by it. It is impossible to legislate offending people. Hell, I could start a cult with a couple of friends tomorrow that forbids pants, and then no one can ever wear pants again, in order not to offend us.

Get a freaking grip. If they really, truly believe in that prophet, they would be able to handle a little ridicule. Now we're making up for their lack of faith.

John Locke - 2/15/2006

I am an American-leftist (i hate Bush), who did not support the Iraq war, BUT, I do support the RIGHT to publish these cartoons, and thus SUPPORT THE DANES. While they SHOULDN'T have been published, the news media does have the right to do so, especially since this is a western country. The Muslim boycott of Danish products is also fine by me, but the violence cannot be tolerated.

Unfortunately, I think we are headed towards complete chaos as the extremists on both sides gain momentum, aided by the increased availability of media. Recently, the news showed British soldiers beating Iraqi teenagers, and today, a leftist Australian program released video/photos of Abu-Gharib prisoners from 3 YEARS AGO! These images, combined with continuous coverage of muslim extremist behavior, will only add fuel to the flames, and will lead to increased muslim extremist violence, which in turn, will lead to more extremist right-wing views in the west. The Pakastani violence is getting worse, and these new images/videos will only increase the hatred--ON BOTH SIDES!

We need the moderates on both sides (Muslim and the West) to direct peace, but unfortunately, they're both too scared to so. Thus, more moderates are being pushed in the direction of extremism, and world chaos/war seems to be headed our way.

P.S. In order for the West to unite, the extreme Leftists and Rightists must compromise, which is not likely to happen....How do we expect the Muslim countries to unite peacefully if we cannot do so ourselves.

Pomerol - 2/15/2006

In other words. Muslims must draw their own cartoons. We can't do this job for you, since our understanding of your perspectives is apparently misunderstood.

Pomerol - 2/15/2006

"Christian Series: depicting Jesus in all variations"

Like I have said before Hasan. This has already been done before. And if muslims or non-muslims feel an need to depict Jesus in various way - no problem. Go for it and send me a copy. I would loove to see them. Maybe an erotic cartoon with Jesus and virgin Mary could be a start....

"Jew series: depicting Moses in all variants including bombs."

The Jews are used to the muslim anger. I don't think this would make their blood boil.

"Hitler Series: Hailing hitler during WWII (the german perspective)"

That is not fair to the Germans. This is not a modern German view. The Germans have grown up a long time ago, and they have doing a great job in order to prevent the past from ever repeating itself. Therefore they wouldn't dream of going mad if you feelt a need to make these drawings - they would most likeky be used for educational purposes.

"Holocaust Series: putting forward the views of Holocaust deniers (they also have a right to free speech)."

Why on earth should we draw such a cartoon. Europeans are not denying holocaust - it only seems to be a problem for som muslims nowadays. We have dealt with it, and are doing all we can never to forget the horrors of holocaust.

Mikkel Pind - 2/15/2006

Hasan: Try to understand that the reason JP's article was about Mohammed was because of a particular situation in Denmark. Therefore the pictures were depicting him instead of any one else. It had a purpose that was not offensive! The pictures might have been offensive, but not the purpose.

The reason why other media printed the pictures was so their readers could make up their own mind (know what the case was about) and/or to sympathize with freedom of speech. Again the purpose were all legitimate.

Why don't you make some drawings and make a link here. I will gladly give you feedback on them if you ask me. State the purpose with the drawings so the can be put in a context so that every one can see what it is you want to show.

Pomerol - 2/15/2006

"Thats the trouble with you Europeans. Anthropomorphizing moslems and trying to hold conversations."

Conversation is what democracy is all about. If we are to understand each other, we have to use the word and not the sword.

Democracy is the greatest god, and dialog is his prophet.

Infidel - 2/15/2006

HAHAHAHAHA. buddhist monks burning Thor's hammer.

Hasan, the moslems are at war with the Jews, Christians(USA),post-industrial nihilists (Europeans), atheists (Chinese), buddhists(Thailand), Hindus (India), Animists/christians(sudan/nigeria) and of course peaceful religion itself (shiites/sunni slaughters in Pakistan/iraq). Just ONE major civilization has had the good sense not to let moslems into their society and has managed to enjoy the fruits of enlightenment and advances in science and technology. Japan.

DENMARK.. of all countries? What kind of MORONIC savages would consider DENMARK their "enemy"? the cleanest, least corrupt, most generous nation on the face of the planet? Shouldnt you be thanking Denmark for allowing moslems to even live in their great country?????? While your fellow moslems are burning , destroying and whining and slaughtering, the Danes are providing aid to the arabs-living-in-palestine, chechens and africa and india and..the list goes on and on. A tiny, militarily insignificant nation!

Just WHY are the moslems emigrating to Denmark? reason? There are 57 officially islamic countries in the world. Why aren't moslems emigrating to countries built, run by moslems and islamic "principles"?

More importantly why aren't the Europeans "provoking" the Chinese, vietnamese, african (non-moslem) and indian immigrants? Why only moslems? Becuase, the death cult you call a "peaceful religion" does NOT allow co-existence. Islam can exist only in dominance..its the nature of the "Beast". Any attempts to stop this dominance is immediately considered "oppression". Hence the interminable wars since the insane arab warlord created this cancer. Islam is a curse on the human race, without which modern society can enjoy ALL these advances in science,tehcnology and political enlightenment, in peace. Nazism was a temporary albeit near-fatal aberration in the history of the Germanic/nordic people; but Britain,U.S, Canada, N.Z, Norway, Denmark and even germany itself are now beacons of freedom and hope. Isn't that the VERY reason the moslems are running away from their islamic lands and begging for visas in these countries? There should be a MASS boycott of these infidel embassies. No more islamic applications for Visas as these countries consider the "prophet" to be a lunatic anyway.

No moslem has ever answered teh question of WHY the crusades started in the first place? Why did the arabs occupy christian and jewish holy lands? Judea and the entire region had been jewish/christian for centuries before the lunatic mohammad was even thought of.

Just what were the arabs doing invading FRANCE in the year 732 A.D?

Its just that the arabs and turks have been DEFEATED in their brutal attempts at conquest. You are NOT a "victim" nation. You tried to conquer and were soundly defeated. DEAL with it.

Slater - 2/15/2006

Oh, you mean it. Are you fucking kidding? Who gives a shit what YOU think we should say here?

Part of this freedom were are supposedly fighting over, is the right to say whatever we damn want to - limited only by the law, which does not cover expletives.

If you can't take a couple of swear word without crying, maybe it's time to pack up and move to the Middle East?

Now shut the fuck up.

a - 2/15/2006

ananızı babanız siksin ki ben günaha girmeyeyim

Thomas - 2/15/2006

JP’s cartoons reveal, that the caricature was not a caricature, but a very precise analysis of the generator in many Moslems view of society. The desire to throw bombs against any enemy image.

Should we have respect for this tradition?

Fascism has many disguises, the latest one is Islamism!

erik sander - 2/15/2006

You are perfectly right Hassan.
But I think we have to get it into a context.
First.. some hindu ekstremist must kill a buddist filmmaker. Then some fanatic sikhs must come up with serious death threats to a shintoist, female writer Then , some christian fundamentalist gives the impression, that paintings in jewish museums might offend the Asa-believers (old nordic), with the most severe consequenses, after which Tibetanian monks over all the world burns replicas of Thors hammer and models of Valhalla.From that point, Inuits (some call them eskimos) rises the statues on Easter Island upright again, causing havoc all over the pacific.
If that situation, that context, or just a little bitt of it (the rest will come, believe me) could be made, then cartoonists will have lots of work.
Erik

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

I'll possibly fucking (intermittently) do that, if you would honor my request to contribute only positive content.

Swear words *are* real words. Plus they would actually be rendered quite powerless (and pointless) if only you silly blue-nosed folks would learn to simply simply ignore them.

In any case, no one on this message board is to be censored. Not by me or you, at least.

hasan - 2/15/2006

Danish Cartoonists may be feeling a bit bored nowadays so i am proposing a new set of cartoons ...This may induce some impartiality for caricaturists so that they dont seem to be targetting muslims alone...

Lets now have a new series of cartoons. All cartoons should be similar to the ones created for Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h)

Christian Series: depicting Jesus in all variations

Jew series: depicting Moses in all variants including bombs

Hindu series: depicting Ram, Seeta or any other (have your pick there are many)

Sikh Series: pick any of the 10 gurus for your series

Hitler Series: Hailing hitler during WWII (the german perspective)

Holocaust Series: putting forward the views of Holocaust deniers (they also have a right to free speech)

Sune Jensen - 2/15/2006

I mean it - please do not swear - do you talk like this in your daily work or at home - please use proper words

Thanks

Bus - 2/15/2006

Mark - please, thats not necessary!

Mark Linahm - 2/15/2006

Should they "pull out" before they cum?

Mark Linham - 2/15/2006

Face it, fella, George W Bush is fucking good ole "prophet" Mohammed in the ass.. and Mohammed likes it! Listen.. I can hear them panting and moaning now!

I think I have a craving for a Danish...

M.T. - 2/15/2006

Never to late to say that you are sorry, to the danes!

Bus - 2/15/2006

We have freedom, you have not - if you dont like freedom; stay in your corner of the world, and we will be just fine in our corner - you know, enjoying free press, free speech, womens rights, childrens rights, religious rights...
You can have your patriarchalistic religion - theres too much wawing the testosterone (read; dick), in the televisions these days... but why dont you send your women - they seem to be fed up with opresssion?!

Mike Klein - 2/14/2006

Proud to Stand With Denmark...

These are exciting times--the battle that has been long fought by the US and Israel against the medieval and genocidal aims of Islamism has opened up another front. But the Danes have never been weak on principle or short on courage. We shall never forget how they were the only people in Europe to save their entire Jewish community by sending them across to Sweden in 1943.

The battle has been joined--let us stand together.

JEG STA MED DANMARK!

Mike Klein
Washington, DC

S Misra - 2/14/2006

Read history. Your "explanation" for why the U.S. got involved in wars in Vietnam, Japan, et cetera, have nothing to do with reality. If you really want to know, and not just bellow, read, for Vietnam, any number of histories and for Japan, read histories by such excellent historians as Gordon W. Prange. Christianity was just not a reason the U. S. fought these wars. It is impossible to correct all your errors. I would have to quit my job and devote myself full time to correcting you, Hasan. Why don't you self correct, as any self respecting person does? I would be embarassed to spout such patently wrong views, exposing my ignorance to the world, Hasan. Redeem yourself and read.

peggy - 2/14/2006

Eman,

You clearly did not read what I said.

I have already studied islam from muslims. I studied it with an open mind. But I also listened to other opinions because that is the only way to arrive at the truth is to know both sides. I weighed both sides and deeply considered everything in my conscience and I concluded that mohammed was not what the islamic propaganda says he is. His actions dont agree with his message. He was a hypocrite.

And yet your advice is to listen only to the people who are the least objective and that way I will know the truth. You are so deep in denial that i will just bet that you continue to insist that i got my information only from islam haters and not from muslims. I got my information from both sides. I studied Christianity the same way and many other religions besides.

I am a fair person and I give everyone a fair chance. Only Christianity represents the truth. I expect that many people would disagree with me on that, but i dont consider this to be just my opinion or preference. I reasoned my way to a moment of decision between islam and Christianity. I couldnt make a final decision. Then I was helped by God to believe in Christ. I know that sounds crazy, but i never believed in anything like that before this happened. I always made fun of people who claimed such experiences. I am still a very skeptical. This experience never happened again and i dont expect it to. What happened was that I was helped to understand and sort everything out like a light came on in which I could really examine all the facts in a way that made my former efforts look like working in the darkness. I could see very clearly why Christ was the truth and why islam is only partial truth. I have already explained my views of why this is above so I dont have to repeat myself. I tested and tested that view for years and it still holds up. i continue to study fairly what moderate muslims say. I listen fairly to all religions and test what they say fairly. I am still convinced that we "see God in the face of Jesus Christ" Noone else can compare.

Wake up and read, dear girl. Read again what I said but this time dont read in the spirit of defensiveness with the conviction that anyone who criticizes islam just doesnt know about it. That is propaganda that you are taught from a vulnerable age. I dont think that way about people who dont believe in Christ. I dont assume that they are just ignorant and haters who just havent been exposed to it. I know that human belief or lack thereof is much more complicated than that. I would rather that someone study my faith by going to both its believers and its critics so that their faith will be truly informed for the day if and when they see the light of Christ.

BTW I aint no brother. Peggy is always a girls name in English. No men are named Peggy unless their parents were cruel :-)

peggy - 2/14/2006

Faith,

You must realize that you live in a bubble where all the information that you can access is strictly controlled. Everything that you learn in school is controlled and you are raised on propaganda.

You must realize that to be peaceful means to always be peaceful not matter the context. The truth doesnt need defending or redeeming. I think that you only apply this to yourself. But the truth should also be applied to mohammed who didnt live the truth. He responded with violence when things were not going his way. He was only peaceful and gentle when he was the winner or when people left him alone. When someone threatened him he fought them and people died who didnt have to if mohammed only trusted in the truth to win without human violence backing it up.

You dont realize this but it was Christians who were first to pray for their enemies and it was muslims that only recently imitated them. There was noone just praying for their enemies in the first years of islam. They were killing their enemies. For 400 years Christians only prayed for their enemies and continued to do so even when our faith got mixed up with the Roman state which was violent and didnt follow the example of the first Christians. Our tradition of praying only for enemies lasted 400 years. islams peaceful period only lasted for a few years and it didnt grow very much until mohammed ran away built up an army and started a war with the Meccans after he had robbed their caravans for many years building his army on stolen goods.

It does not become right to steal for any reason. None. It doenst matter who you are or why you do it. This truth should apply to your prophet and yet muslims excuse him from this truth. You are taught on one hand never to steal and on the other hand that it was ok for mohammed to steal because he was defending islam.

This is a contradiction. Right behavior doesnt change like this. Whatsmore it is not necessary. Other faiths have survived without resorting to any of the things that mohammed did and they faced terrible and ruthless opposition too.

I am praying for you to see the the contradiction which leads to unwholesome confusion which comes directly from the example of your prophet. I pray that you dont get in trouble for coming to this board. It is a very real possibility that someone could be watching your computer. When I first wrote to you I didnt know you lived in SA. I pray also for your safety then.

Remember that the consistent example of peace was Christ. His followers followed that example consistently for 400 years. Christianity spread and succeeded for 400 years without wars or armies. A peaceful start of 400 years! Now that this faith is no longer confused with the state, it has returned to that example in its great majority. Islam hasnt. Its is mostly still violent and threatening when provoked.

peggy - 2/14/2006

Faith,

all your talk of peace is meaningless because of the example of your prophet who did exactly what you are saying that good muslims shouldnt do. Yet he is excused on the on hand and on the other all muslims emulate him. Then muslims act suprised when people follow the prophet and strike back at the people who insult islam and its prophet.

You live in total denial. There is islam talk and then there is islam walk. This follows mohammed who said one thing and then did another. He was not a peaceful man. To say that you must redefine the word "peace" to include robbing others at sword point, waging a war of expansion against people who were just minding their own business, beheading a whole village of Jewish men who were merely suspected of not being loyal enough to the "cause" and enslaving their wives and children, sometimes killing those who ridiculed him, ordering that all of SA be cleansed of non-muslims including Christians and Jews on his death bed, owning slaves, creating thousands, no millions of war widows both in his life time and after etc etc.

I know that you have been brainwashed from birth to not see the contradictions in this example that islam is based on. I know that you have had terror put inside your mind to even question that what he did in his life was not necessary and not excusable. You fear to question why mohammed didnt just trust the power of the truth. The truth doesnt need a sword to survive! Christians were killed by the Roman government for 400 years and yet no Christian formed an army to fight. In 400 years of non-violence, Christianity took over the empire without one battle being fought by them to survive. The Romans were brutal to their oppenents and merciless to anyone accused of treason which meant not worhipping the emperor as a God which thousands of Christians died for refusing to do. All of our saints starting with St Stephen died a true martyrs death. They did not form mobs or resort to robbery or anything. St Peter and St Paul both died without trying to start a war. they died peacefully for their beliefs praying for those who killed them.

Where is this example in mohammeds life. Isnt he your example? All there is is two standards. One is for the muslims who must follow all of mohammeds fine talk when everything is going well and then having to follow his violent example when there is a crisis.

You will say that mohammed endured insults peacefully at first. But then he didnt. He wasnt consistent through his whole life. He didnt die instead of fight. He fought to establish islam in the world. Thousands died and suffered to establish it both muslims and their victims who only wanted to defend their homes.

Islam is a lot of fine talk and then a mixed example. The example is a faulty, inconsistent foundation. It is not wholesome to live a life that denys this and just focuses on the positive of islam and ignores the people who suffered and died for it against their will because they were attacked and besiged by muslims. Millions of people died! Millions more suffered as second class citizens. Who knows how many were forced to flee to avoid living under islam spread by the sword.

There is no excuse for this. You see only what you want to see. Muslims adopt Western original ideas but they havent contributed any. They look at how far ahead the West is in positive and wholesome advances (I exclude the unwholesome ones since I am against immoral progress) and then all of a sudden they find the principle in islam. But if peaceful resistance and praying for our enemies without engaging in violence was an islamic principle as opposed to something you only imitate, then why wasnt a peaceful resistance tradition established in islam first before the West? Instead, islam engaged in violence in response to insult after the example of mohammed until they found that the peaceful resistance worked in the West and discovered that violence response made islam look bad. (I say that only to you muslims who have adopted this attitude). Yet those who use violence "to defend' islam also cite the example of mohammed. They are doing just as he did.

Sune Jensen - 2/14/2006

Ahem - please use proper wordes - do not swear - Who had learnt that kind of language ??? Your mom or your dad ! I had to pay 5 cents for swearing at my parents home when I was a kid and it was parents included.

Thanx

peggy - 2/14/2006

better to deport him! He is a traitor to the nation by deliberately harming its interests. He cannot be a good citizen. Kick him out. Send him back to where life is really hell ie any nation dominated by muslims.

peggy - 2/14/2006

Hasan,

Its been a while since I posted last, but I dont have time to live on this board...

Yes, i do have a mind of my own but lets recall what your original posting was. Its all there in black and white all you have to do is read it. But let me refresh your memory.

You posted something at the beginning about hypocrisy which I wasnt particularly inspired to talk about. 99% of your post was composed of the Robert Fisk article. I read the article all the way through before making a judgement because I although I have no respect for Fisk I have been surprised before by people I dont usually respect. When I finished I concluded that the man had nothing to say as usual and commenced debunking his premise that the West doesnt live its religion while muslims do.

I am still not real sure what he is saying. Its not a very well written or thought out article. Apparently, his beef is western hypocrisy. I believe that I dealt with that by 1) making the argument that the Church and Christians do in fact live their faith and I gave the lack of violence from Christians and the churches willingness to let go of its former large share of the population when it could have refused to give up fighting. In this, Christians follow the non-violent example of Christ. That is living our faith. 2) I took issue with Fisk equating ONE guy in Paris with a whole region going bat shit insane over some cartoons. ONE guy set fire to a Paris movie theater. There wasnt any more violence on the part of millions of Christians who had a problem with the movie. Noone called for a law to force respect for Christianity. Christians boycotted the company that made the film and any related companies. We didnt boycott the entire US, or Hollywood or any other people who werent involved.

The differences are vast. There is no hypocrisy on the part of Christians or the West regarding the Last Temptation of Christ. We lived or faith by protesting peacefully and boycotting only those responsible. To this day, noone fears a Christian response to insult of our faith because we live our faith. I think I have already spoken of why we do not fear insult.

As for the hypocrisy of Europe, he may have a point with Holocaust denial laws. We dont have those in the US nor would most Americans support such laws. America is part of the West and yet Fisk in his usual sloppy way lumped us in with Europe. His argument falls apart when one considers the example of the US where the only limit to free speech is any speech that calls for violence to be done to others or causes a panic as in the famous example of yelling "fire!' in a crowded theater. This does not cover speech which causes insult which leads to a riot since in the US rioters are legally responsible for riots not speakers no matter what they might say.

I could go on but I have more important things to do here and then I got to go. You dont have a leg to stand on in any of your posts that i have read. In contrast, you responded to my reply with nothing but insinuations that I was avoiding the issue. Clearly you live in a dream world where you are the heroic islamic voice of peace and moderation and where noone can answer your arguments. As a result, I think that you see only what you want to see. You didnt really read what I said. You only saw what you wanted to see.

Infidel - 2/14/2006

Thats the trouble with you Europeans. Anthropomorphizing moslems and trying to hold conversations.

peggy - 2/14/2006

sigh. boring!

We've already been over this. That was three years ago and an entirely different context.

No one is afraid to insult Christ. The JP article was a challenge to the fear to speak and draw freely about islamic subjects. This was not as great an issue three years ago.

Get a clue.

peggy - 2/14/2006

I'll insult him as much as I want for as long as i want.

I dont believe he was a prophet. I am under no obligation to respect him.

I wouldnt have deliberately insulted him before you muslims decided to riot all over the world trying to impress your messed up deity and tried to ruin and threaten a whole country for the actions of s few. But now i'm mad.

Congratulations, muslims. You have only increased the desire to insult your damned prophet mohammed without your ridiculous actions.

You guys dont need an image in order to worship him. You worship him without images. I think its very interesting that you are willing to start a war with the west over some ink drawings on paper which couldnt resemble mohammed anyway since there are no likeness of him from the time of his life. But not when your koran was desecrated.

You see what your so-called prophet never told you is that people can worship anything. Banning images does not stop it.

By the way that you ACT, as opposed to all your talk, you clearly worship mohammed, the koran and the system of islam. These are more important to you than being just to innocent people of Denmark. They are more important to you then the lives and property of others. You have made idols of these things because they are more important to you than acting like civilized people and letting others live in liberty. The definition of idolatry is to make more of some created thing than you make of your duties to God and man.

I see you worship these things, you idolators. Calm down and repent of your actions and act like grown ups and then we will respect you. I will never respect millions of "children" having a temper tantrum over some cartoons.

Pomerol - 2/14/2006

Well kind of hard for you to fuck a danish freedom, you have never tasted is it not....

What is your definition of "EVIL" and "Freedom"?

sven - Danish - 2/14/2006

Mille Mortensen has a right to express her wiew at the situation in Denmark. this right is exactly what we are fighting for. She has my full respect.
I must say that I know that a lot of danes share her wiew.
But even when we quarrel over this issue, we listen to each other , and there is a basic respect for another point of wiew. The problem her is, that we are the only part in this conflict that is reacting like this....

afshagar - 2/14/2006

FUCK YOUR FREEDOM ASSHOLE SON OF THE
evil ,you don't know about Freedom and you talk about freedom fuck your danish freedom

Bus - 2/14/2006

Unite, Abdool?

The only thing that can unite the arab world, is a simple cartoon - not much to build the future takeover of the world on, now is it?

Get democracy before your belief ends on the scrapyard of history - you know, its possible to combine islam and democracy, as seen by many good people of islam, living in the west!

I think THAT idea is growing after this childish show of religious riot! That'll be the end of all the crazy islamist imams - the worlds a better place without them!

Peace!

Sherwood Baker - 2/14/2006

Hey Dane, I couldn't agree with you more! I have started driving my automobile when absolutely necessary. I have cancelled a trip across the country and will not use gasoline unless absolutely necessary. SO to all of you Islamists out there, up yours!

Europe - 2/14/2006

Hell no - WE WILL STAY THERE - help them to democracy: everybody has, in the last few weeks, seen what dictator-run countries and medieval readings of islam can do! Its a brainwash combination...

Free speech and free countries for all - the idea of Umah, is a fascist dream that must be thrown down at sight!

Mikkel Pind - 2/14/2006

The Danish Ministry of Defence has not heard anything yet so it might be a little early to post this as a fact...

Mikkel Pind - 2/14/2006

Well I am happy about the support from the US. But the lack of papers printing these cartoons in the US and the fact that the official US thinks the cartoons should not have been printed troubles me. Representatives from the US are saying that in terms of handling a multicultural society they are more than a hundred years ahead... In one way they are right (strict immigration rules has helped the US get mostly people interested in assimilating), but in one way they are not (in my opinion). Well obviously a lot has to do with not dealing with sensitive taboos of color, mexican immigration etc. The freedom of speech in the US is obstructed by these taboos, so in my eyes, it is the US, that is years behind in the pusuit of "The freedom of speech"!

Read what Ayaan Hirsi Ali said the other day on the cartoon subject.

http://www.welt.de/z/plog/blog.php/the_free_west/the_free_wests_weblog/2006/02/10/the_right_to_offend

Sune Jensen - 2/14/2006

The Basra City want the 550 danish soliders to pull out NOW. Argument: the drawings and a apolise from the Danish PM.

Slater - 2/14/2006

You people are TOO MUCH! (No, not Muslims in general, but the unfortunately way too many complete ignorants among them).

Do you even listen to the arguments against you, or are you so blind to the ways of others, that you truly see a couple of innocent drawings as worse then torching embassies, burning of flags and threats of violence and murder to westerners?

Get a fucking grip!

Pomerol - 2/14/2006

I have only got one thing to say. Go back to school all of you. This is just too much nonsens in one single thread. I believe nor Allah or the European fathers of democracy had these evil thoughts in mind.

6 6 6 - 2/14/2006

muslim threats like purile child ....

your's is coming muslim -wait to see and know your own hell - on 06 06 06

Pomerol - 2/14/2006

You are crying about the West not recognising Islam in the ways you would us to recognise it. But how do you suppose we all unite in the name of humanity, if you keep on considering us to be the big bad wolf?

AmericansSupportIsrael - 2/14/2006

Good information!! Thank you!!
I will use it and pass it on to as many as possible of the millions Americans who Stand with Israel!

Abdool - 2/14/2006

Oh Muslims! Unite against the INSULT on our beloved
Nabi Muhammad
(sallalahu alihe wasalam)

Remember to BOYCOTT ALL DANISH PRODUCTS

Abdool - 2/14/2006

Oh Muslims! Unite against the INSULT on our beloved
Nabi Muhammad
(sallalahu alihe wasalam)

Remember to BOYCOTT ALL DANISH PRODUCTS

Slater - 2/14/2006

I'll have to agree there. I'm quite disappointed with the self-proclaimed "Land of the Free".

My arse. Apparently this freedom is only worth fighting for when THEY need help.

David Gerstman - 2/14/2006

It's well and good to fight the recently organized Arab/Muslim boycott of Denmark, but there's been an organized boycott by the Arab world of Israel for 5 decades.
One way to fight it is to look for goods made in Israel. A particularly useful site in this regard BuyIsraeliGoods.org. Or just do a search on "buy Israel" and you'll get a number of other sources.
One unique such enterprise is Ahava products that features cosmetics made from the Dead Sea. Also if you are buying generic pharmaceuticals there's a good chance they were made in Israel because Teva is the world's largest manufacturer of generic drugs.

devoat--Muslim - 2/14/2006

Stupid jew, stupid christian, there is only one...Allah..
Burn in hell, death on one your, curse your familly, and all it's past genrations,,, burn sons and daugthers of pigs.

JEW - 2/14/2006

so true,,,,,,,,,,,

gunhoe..muslimkiller - 2/14/2006

F(_)( K 'em
katch'em n' kill'em

WiTcH - 2/14/2006

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POLO - 2/14/2006

Dear Hasan...

Offcause Hindus eat beef, and pork. as do many muslims eat pork, and drink beer. These people are called moderates. They are not religius in the insane way. They are part of a religion, because it is their country, and\or famillies background, their inheritage.

So please take the needle out of your arm and wake up and smell the roses.
Because yor are clearly in deniyal...
Religion in its fundementalist form is bad, no matter who you are or whar you pray at\too.
It´s just a fact that in the muslim countires, because of islams strong code of rules, the quran, people are more religius, reed insane...

And why are most muslim countries poor... No education.. Enlightenment.. We need a new revelution, like in france, where they took all the people at power, out in the streets a beheaded them( this time not realy behead them, but strip them of power), and created a new free republic...

stepper - 2/14/2006

The US support to Denmark- too little and too late!

polo - 2/14/2006

S Misra - 2/13/2006

"Mohammed preaches violence." here you go again more sweeping statements...if i say misra is an indian extremist then what...will it make you one...YOU STARTED BY SPREADING OUT OF CONTEXT QUOTES...its like saying claiming NIGHT before DAY...you murdered thousands of jews during WW2 and waged CRUSADES against muslims and now you are at it again. Why do you even try to think. No use...

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/13/2006

An apology is not enough. Those who commited these crimes should be arrested and charged.

Anything less is just childs play.

Gary - 2/13/2006

Dear Svensk,

your socalled danish writer (Jytte Klausen) as you got a link to, has NOT been living in denmark for 20-30 years (lives in canada) so she knows as much about the situation in denmark as the islamist' in Gaza. Denmark is only her country of birth....so try again dear svensk.....

Melissa - 2/12/2006

Free countries have purchasing power too!

I have a close friend who loves teddy bears and her birthday is
coming up.

Is there a Danish teddy bear company on the web, that has a english
language page where I could browse and order?

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/12/2006

"How can a non-muslim/infidel who does not know The Holy Quran be accused of blasphemy?" Very good question and even the muslim community wrestles with this.

More poignantly however, can the mocker be accused of incitement? So far I've been deliberately reticent, in a bid to draw out peoples true views (of which you've been the sole respondent). I'll wait a bit more to see if anyone else replies. But here's a hint regarding the core controversy of the perceived insult/incitement (as I see it):

Conceit/Narcissism

Pomerol - 2/12/2006

The "problem" about B: (they are published in distributions not available to muslims) is that we are now living in an era of globalization. Therefore a media that isn't avaliable to muslims does not exist. Theoretically I would argue that if such a media existed it would not incite The Ummah at all - how could it?

Looks like you are thinking something like this:

It is not legitimately perceived as acts of incitement by the Ummah when drawings are published in distributions not available to muslim.(non-muslim sources like jyllandsposten)

Publishing the drawings in distributions that are available to muslims is legitimately perceived as acts of incitement by the Ummah.

Taken these statements into account I find myself with another unanswered question in relation to the current conflict. How can a non-muslim/infidel who does not know The Hole Quran be accused of blasphemy? An infidel has based his/her life upon a wrong "frame of Understanding". How can a muslim expect an infidel not to be wrong in all aspects of life? Are you (Islam) trying to seduce me - from my infidel mind?

Russell Whitaker - 2/12/2006

Yes, they are _very_ high quality: the Dissident Frogman is a talented graphic artist, as well as a trenchant blogger. Please spread the news of his work to your friends!

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/12/2006

looks so good....

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/12/2006

We're nearing the crux of this overall controversy, at least as I see it (more on that later) so please bear with me.

I ought to have framed the question better, something like: "Cartoons mocking Mohammed are legitimately perceived as acts of incitement by the Ummah when ... etc."; and then generalized the choices more like:

a) they are drawn privately;
b) they are published in distributions not available to muslims;
c) they are published in distributions that are available to muslims.

That in mind, do you feel b) or c) are legitimately perceived by the Ummah as acts of incitement?

danish_us - 2/12/2006

One question to you. Have you ever had friends that are muslims or jews?
If yes,were they all violents? For myself I can tell you my friends are not only jews , I know good peoplee from countries with different religions, because I am interested in learning more about new cultures.

Another question,What do you say about people in India marrying only those indians having the same religion and coming from the same background? Do you think, this is not discrimination and ? An indian friend told me that in India you have special catalogs for the marriage, through ethnical and religion criteries.
Would your parent tolerate that you marry a jew or a muslim or Hindu?

Russell Whitaker - 2/12/2006

Blogger "The Dissident Frogman" actively maintains a posting with some very high quality "Support Denmark" graphics in multiple languages (the list of which is growing) such as English, French, Italian, Polish, German, Simplified Chinese, Spanish, and Romanian:

http://www.thedissidentfrogman.com/dacha/001580.html

I recommend downloading and using these banners on our blogs.

danish_us - 2/12/2006

Well the thing is you are repeating yourself and writing the same arguments, I got your point and I am sure you are smart lady that knows a lot about history. You said how can you be racist when you are indian??
I dont agree with your argument. Racism is defined broadly as stigmatization of those we perceive as different from us, what I meant is not the colour of skin. I suggest you to live abroad to understand the meaning of Intolerance, people judging you beacause of your race , belief or just because you are being different from them. I lived in UK 2 years in a student house and I saw how Pakisatnis and Indians suffer from Intolerance. I had also some problems when I go to the sabbat with my skullcap, some people looking at me with disrespect. And I dont think you would happy if some condemn the whole indian people for something some people from your homeland did.

All the religions were violent Jews were also violent. Christians were violent as well in some decades (the crusades for example). Its not religions that make people violent, it is humans who misunderstand religion or use it as pretext for their violent acts.
Of course there are violence in the holy books, in the bible:
"Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. ".2 Chronicles 15:13.
"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned"
The same with Quran. But does it make all the people following this religion Violent??

I am a jew, and I dont think I would be happy if some one would attack my religion and point fingers with me that I am violent because Mose was violent. That does not mean I dont believe on my religion, but I am trying to take the best things from my religion and apply it to my usual life and I respect people believes. I believe that good and bad people are on the earth , whether christians,jews,muslims,budhist,athists..

Regards

Pomerol - 2/12/2006

When I read your last post, I think it goes like this:

"Freedom of expression must stops, where the stir up of The Ummah begins."

I do not agree with this view hence one of my democratic rights is the right to be offensive. It's my right to express my views as long as I follow the laws within the country of my residence. One of the problems in Europe is that certain muslims (not all muslims) might live here, but their heart still belongs to daddy back home.
Therefore for instance the danish imams didn't use their rights within Denamrk to protest against the drawings - they hurried home to daddy - and I think they should have never come back to the infidels of Denmark. If I were living in a country I didn't like it would take me about 3 seconds to pack my bags and find somewhere else to practice my beliefs.

Back to the drawings:

a/b/c
These drawings can't incite the ummah since they are kept within an infidel social context. But don't get caught!

d/e
"history" has shown us that these drawings incite the Ummah.

f/g/h
you have already categorized these drawings in your first post....

The last drawing "internal imaginary picture" I put on the list to discuss an issue that keeps on stiking my mind. You probably know of the books

Aldous Huxley : Brave New World & George Orwell : 1984

Really good reading both of them. Politicians around the world are saying democracy is limited. We must show respect to others by not insulting their views (What kind of crap is that - mind control?). The biggest respect I can show you is to tell you the truth as I see it. I'm not showing you respect by showing you only half my mind.
Therefore I say insult me and show me some respect - but please do not use the sword (that is not a respecful way to handel conflicts) - use your God given ability to speak.

Farzi - 2/12/2006

well what about boycotting the OIL. It is a good suggestion and leave Iraq again in the hands of saddam who was cruel. though some people (in fact millions including women and children) have died because of US bombing. But of course this bombing was from a civilised nation who has every right to kill others. these colored people, illiterate and lowly creatures , how dare they think they have a right to feel something.after all its us the ruler of the world who define what can hurt u what should not. so these lowly oil owning countries should learn a lesson when we master of the world would boycot the OIL.

S Misra - 2/12/2006

It would be difficult for me to be racist as I am from India originally. Why not discuss merits of religions. Do we not discuss the merits of philosophy? So what makes religions out of bounds? There is a reason no one worships Baal anymore, they used to, and archeological evidence bears it out, sacrifice infants by placing them on the red hot arms of a bronze god. We do not any longer worship the Olympians, they did not amount to much, as Socrates, a Greek, himself showed. Why is religion out of bounds? Toleration is the lowest common denominator of behavior. Understanding is much better. Understanding does not come by violence but by dialogue. The problem is that some religions are violent, whether you like it or not. The Koran is violent. Hinduism is violent (read the Gita or the Ramayana). Judaism is violent (read Exodus, just to name one book). Only Buddhism and Christianity, as the founders not the followers said it, are nonviolent. When we are not nonviolent, then only the brutes win. Sorry, there no justification for religions that promote violence, whether it is Hinduism and the caste system or justification of war, or Islam, and its demand that a follower is good when he or she kills nonbelievers. Don't believe me, read the works. Otherwise, the religions get a free ride. Hindus cannot justify caste or war, Jews cannot justify war or proclamations of thier unique acceptability to God, and Islam cannot justify the killing of nonbelievers. You Danes have only had a brief experience with Islam; these iconoclasts destroyed every temple, burnt every Buddhist, Hindu, Jain, and other libraries throughout South Asia, butchered monks, deliberately built their mosques on top of other people's sacred places (one Muslim king in India, Aurangzeb, son of the buider of the Taj Mahal, built on top of a Hindu temple), destroyed the major sacred temple in Varanasi (Benares) and left one gate up, as his own court historian says, to teach Hindus that the greatest of their temples is not worth the least mud mosque of Islam. This was nothing new. In 800 A.D., another Muslim invader went to the most sacred temple in Hinduism, at the junction of the Ganges and Yamuna Rivers, commented on how beautiful it was, took its central shrine and buried it on the footpath to his village mosque, and burnt the temple of Somnath to the ground. Of course, this long line of destruction, all approved of by the Koran, continues. Islam, true to itself, destroyed the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan and smashed some of the finest ancient art in the museums, Greco-Indian art from the time of Alexander the Great. Just as caste is an injustice not defensible by anyone, I don't care which Hindu is offended, Islam cannot justify violence. Likewise, Catholics cannot justify the silly idea of "just war." Jesus clearly taught one to turn the other cheek and love one's enemies. Buddha says hate is not conquered by hate. Socrates says violence negates reason, and Gandhi says an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. Just as other violent religions fail to be rational, Islam is irrational. When violence is used, as Thucydides, the great Greek historian says, the strong do what they will and the weak suffer what they must. It is not hate or racist to say, why does Islam beat the adulterer and Christ say to the crowd about to stone her, let he who is without (this) sin (of adultery) cast the first stone. The Gospel says, from the oldest to the youngest, the oldest knowing right away that they had lusted and committed adultery by their lust, dropped their stones and left. If you don't like to hear it, you are doing no one any favors. Like Voltaire, one must face religious brutes head on. Just because one bows, crawls or genuflects does not give one a pass on being rational. Reason demands nonviolence, and again, Islam is irrational. I would rather love my enemy and teach him by example, or by my suffering, than behead, knife, shoot, bomb, maim, whip or torture. Wouldn't you?

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/12/2006

To be sure I've left out many possibilities, "internal imaginary picture" being one. Readers are invited to provide more. (Please understand these are offered here as discussion points.)

It goes without saying how one answers is a reflection of one's "frame of understanding", which indeed is partly the purpose in offering these discussion points. It helps reveal what the respondent's frame of understanding is.

That said, I'd consider points f/g/h to fall firmly into the "incitement" category, while points a/b/c fall under freedom of expression. The intervening points are a little trickier, hence their inclusion as discussion points.

"Absolutists" of course would not have no trouble whatsoever - for them these are either all true or all false (depending on their slant). Perhaps you could take a firmer position than they're all true/false simultaneously?

Cheers

Pomerol - 2/12/2006

How many of these linked statements do you consider are true?

All of them are true and non of them are true.

I guess it depends on which "Frame of understanding" I use to interpret the text.

You forgot one:

They are drawn within your own mind as an "internal" imaginary picture.

Pomerol - 2/12/2006

I don't think the Viking spirit has ever died. That's why King Christian could take a strole down the streets of Copenhagen wearing a yellowstar during the nazi occupation. He had the love of the people and no one dared to touch him.
But even Vikings grow up - The Danes are surely not a warloving people. We like our peace and even now seeing the muslim rage escalating throughout the world. Muslims and Vikings still live peaceful lives next to each other in the Kingdom of Denmark.

Svend - 2/12/2006

How very strange that 12 drawings in a Danish newspaper should make the moslem world go mad, while nobody has had anything to say about that the saudi authorities are erasing almost everything (building, edifacts and other things) in Mecca and Medina pertaining to the prophet, his family or friends...Makes one think, doesn't it?

fightback - 2/12/2006

heroes of gary:
lenin and stalin team - even your fellow socialists admit 40 MILLION murdered - but the truth is 100 MILLION thanks to socialists utopian dreams
mao say dung - another 45 MILLION
pol pot 1.7 MILLION of his own
fido castro - hundreds of thousands of his own people
and gary's favorite socialists of all hitler!!!!
and the gary's newest heroes - who will kill anyone and everyone until their utopian dream is accepted by all

Steven R Alvarado - 2/12/2006

Me thinks that this current episode may make the Danes rethink their current views on the world. They may want to reawaken some of their long buried Viking spirit.

Morten S. - 2/12/2006

Have you even seen the cartoons?
Did you know that the "pig" and "dog" image were NEVER printed in the paper? They plus another were used by muslim from Denmark to get you angry. They misled the people they talked to. They were imams and they lied, claming to represent 200.000 danish muslims then the truth is closer too 15.000.

Violent act? Offensive perhabes (although I can't see more then one possible offensive cartoon, the bomb one) but I fail to see the violence. Other then the one committed by muslims in the middleeast, in their reaction.

Morten S. - 2/12/2006

I will not vote that despicable parti.
Pia K. is a bitch in the worst sence of the word, she is a racist cow. And I'm sad for every single vote her and her parti ever got.

A vote for DF is a vote for intolerance.

Morten - 2/12/2006

Det er lovligt at brænde det danske flag i Danmark, men ikke andres flags.
------
In Denmark it is legal to burn the Danish flag, but not to burn other countries flags.

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/12/2006

(apologies)

This post should follow after Ensan's above.

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/12/2006

Spare yourself the trouble Ensan, of trying to educate these two.

Like most rightists/leftists they presume to explain the nature of the world, two and three paragraphs at a time!

If it were only so simple.

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/12/2006

We're all pretty familiar now with the loud refrains "It's freedom of expression!" and "It's incitement of the Ummah!" but seldom do we see these competing claims drawn out over a range of pertinent circumstances. So allow me to "incite" the readers here a bit. ;)

How many of these linked statements do you consider are true?

"Cartoons mocking Mohammed incite the Ummah when ...

a) they are drawn privately in your kitchen where no-one can see them."
b) they are drawn privately and shared with your visiting (christian or jewish) friends."
c) they are drawn privately and shared with your visiting (atheist) friends."
d) they are published in your local newspaper which has no distribution in muslim communities."
e) they are republished in a muslim community newspaper after discovering them in your local newspaper."
f) they are published in your local newspaper and travelling imans distribute it to muslim communities (as evidence of incitement)."
g) they are published directly in muslim community newspapers (as evidence of incitement)."
h) they are published directly in muslim community newspapers (as a direct provocation to muslims)."

kristian - 2/12/2006

yeh, thats right we got all the rights we need to say and do what ever we want in denmark (i come from there but live in england)

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/12/2006

Something's Forgotten in the Hate of Denmark
By David Roodman

"The recent attacks by Islamic fundamentalists on the Danish embassies in Lebanon and Syria can be called blind, tragic, even cartoonish. To that list of adjectives, add this one: ironic. According to the Commitment to Development Index, which rates rich countries on how much their government policies help or hurt poorer countries, no nation works harder than Denmark to help people in poorer parts of the world, including predominantly Muslim nations. Few less deserve this hatred. The CDI looks not just at foreign aid policies, but at those relating to trade, investment, migration, environment, military affairs, and technology; so Denmark’s top-notch standing shows that it is a good global citizen in a broad sense. (See Denmark CDI page)

Each day, Danes give $1.03 a person in foreign aid to poorer countries, including Bangladesh, Egypt, and Afghanistan, and other predominantly Muslim nations, putting them second only to Norway—whose embassies have also been attacked. (Compare that to the 18 cents Americans give.) But it turns out the two Nordics give almost the same as share of gross domestic product. (Norwegians give more, but are oil-rich.) Accounting for that and the higher quality of Danish aid, as measured in the CDI, moves Denmark into first on the CDI aid component. Denmark is an environmental exemplar among rich industrial countries, ranking sixth on the CDI environment component, as one of the few to cut its greenhouse gas emissions in the last decade. One cause is an aggressive push into windpower. One consequence is a small drop in the chance that rising seas will inundate much of Bangladesh. And Denmark is among the leaders on the CDI’s security component, too. After NATO waged an air war to force Serbia to halt ethnic cleansing in Muslim Kosovo in 1999, Denmark contributed 900 troops to the follow-on peacekeeping operation there, more than any other country for its size. (Troop tallies are under “Security 2005” in the CDI 2005 spreadsheet.-- excel file) And when it comes to selling arms to despotic regimes in the Middle East, Denmark’s hands are clean.

All this seems forgotten in the hate of Denmark. The Associated Press reported yesterday that Danish aid organizations have halted food distribution in Muslim Chechnya out of fears for workers’ safety. Thus has anger over a symbolic injury to Islam brought injury of the most tangible sort to Islam’s followers.

(Learn more: Hear David discuss Denmark in a BBC interview) "

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/12/2006

please lower your caps

GOT ENOUGH - 2/12/2006

THE STUPID, SO CALLED TAKE CARE OFF EVERY STRANGER, WHO COME TO LIVE IN DENMARK, MUST WAKE UP.
CAN´T YOU SEE IT NOW, THERE ARE NO ROOM IN DENMARK FOR EVERY EXTREMIST GROUPS, IN THE WORLD, WHO WILL NOT BE A PART OFF THE DANISH SOCIETY.
IF THIS TOTAL HATE TO THE DANISH PEOPLE, DON´T HAVE OPENED YOUR EYES, IT WILL NEVER HAPPENED.
AND AS LONGER YOU CLOSE YOUR EYES FOR THIS FACT, THE MORE AND MORE YOU SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, WHO WILL NOT ALLOW US TO MAKE JOKES, WRITE AND READ WHAT WE WANTS.
SO, I SAY, WAKE UP, STOP SUPPORTING, THESE CONTRIES,
WHO SUPPORTS KILLING TREATHS AND EMBASSY BURNING.
LET´S MAKE IT STRAIGTH FOR ALL MUSLIMS IN DENMARK, IF YOU DON´T WANT TO LIVE UNDER THE DANISH LAWS, THEN MYBE IS WORTH CONCIDERING, TO LEAVE, AND FIND A BETTER PLACE IN THE WORLD TO LIVE.
LUCKELY MOST MUSLIMS IN DENMARK ARE HAPPY TO LIVE IN PEACE, AND ACCEPT THE DANISH WAY OFF LIFE. RESPECT.
BUT THE MINORATY, WHO ALWAY YELL HIGHER THAN THE REST, ARE THEY MORE RIGTH, BECAUSE THEY CRY LOUDER THAN THE REST?
DON´T THINK SO, AND IT´S THAT MINORATY, WE MYBE HAVE TO ASK,
IF YOU DON´T LIKE IT HERE, WHY STAY, AND DESTROY EVERYTHING FOR THE REST.
AND EVERYONE WHO WILL SAY I´M SORRY, STOP IT NOW, CAUSE WHEN THE TROUBLEMAKERS SEE A LITTLE HOLE, THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE, AND TRY TO DIG THE HOLE BIGGER, BETWIN
MUSLIMS AND DANES.
I´M PROUD TO BE A DANE, AND NO ONE, NOT EVEN THE TAXMAN, CAN CHANGE THAT, NOT EVEN A BUNCH OF EXTREMISTS, WHO WANTS US TO SAY WE ARE SORRY AND MORE SORRY AND EVEN MORE SORRY.
WHAT´S NEXT, I WONDER?
BUT I´M AFFRAID, WHEN YOU, WITH YOUR SO CALLED HUMAN WAY OFF
LIFE, ALLWAYS DENNEING THE PROBLEMS, AND CLOSING YOU EYES, WILL GIVE STRENGTH TO SOME FORCES IN DENMARK, WHISH ARE EVEN WORSE, THAN YOU THINK THE DANISH PEOPLES PARTI IS.
SO STOP SAYING I´M SORRY.
SUPPORT THE FREE PRESS, THE FREE MUSLIMS VOICE IN THE WEST.
KEEP ON THE GOD WORK NASER KHADER, JYLLANDS-POSTEN,
ANDERS FOGH, EKSTRA BLADET AND THE WHOLE BUY DANISH SUPPORT.
AND TAKE CARE.

Slater - 2/12/2006

Beautiful.

Yes, someone may call you a racist, but then someone will be an idiot.

They had this coming.

Slater - 2/12/2006

That would be "you're", "that's" and "right".

You might want to grow some brains yourself, before you go around calling people dumb ;)

Gary - 2/12/2006

Is this the religion of "peace" we keep hearing about:

Ahmadinejad told a large crowd in Tehran yesterday that Israel would be "removed" by the Palestinians and "other nations," and dismissed the West as "hostages of the Zionists."

"The people of the U.S. and Europe should pay a heavy price for becoming hostages to Zionists," Ahmadinejad declared. "We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them. Do the removal of Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

Gary - 2/12/2006

Careful Mew or some "kind-hearted soul" in this group will accuse you of being racist.

Gary - 2/12/2006

Quote: "Fact is your comments are racists..."

I disagree. Misra's comments are not at all racist, as there have been no hateful comments towards Muslim people in general. Comments made have been towards Islam and the "whys" of the behavior we see from Muslim nations today. It may not be relevant to this blog, but neither is it racist.

Gary - 2/12/2006

Quote: "so many have a negative and almost dangerous view towards Islam (whether they have or have not understood the religion)."

Dangerous view of Islam? I suggest you read the Koran and compare it to the teachings of Christ.

Gary - 2/12/2006

Quote: "it was false!!"

Really! Let's look at the following:
"The Glorious Qur'an" By Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall. Published by Tahrike Tarsile Qur'an, Inc.

5:51 "O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and Christians for friends. They are friends one to another. He among you who taketh them for friends is (one) of them. Lo! Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."

Gary - 2/12/2006

Quote: "Use quotes as to underline your point, not hide it. But by all means, let's have a contest how many submissive quotes we can find in all holy books..."

Again, the reason for the quotes from Koran was to show the violent nature of Islam as it is displayed in Koran. Other folks in this group have clearly pointed out the violent nature of Islam as it has been lived out in history against different peoples. The main point I would like to stress here is that you will not find in scripture anywhere where Jesus instructed his followers to terrorize or inflict acts of violence on ANYONE. The Koran is replete with this nature of violence.

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land.”

Mew - 2/11/2006

I will boycott Muslim products till I get an apology from all Muslims states, for the following insulting issues that Islam is associated to:

- The disrespectful suppression of my fellow gender, where women are forced to cover their hair and sometimes faces, as Muslim men apparently can’t control their own lust.

- Muslim men who beat their wives (I know a nurse in Denmark who takes care of abused women, who say there is four times as many Muslim women who receive treatment as Danish, and keep in mind that Muslims only make up two present of the Danish population)

- Danish Imams who says that all women, who do not wear veils deserved to be whipped.

- Women in Saudi Arabia who are not allowed to drive, and have to ask permission from their husband to get a passport.

- Women and girls, who are stoned, beheaded, killed or punish for being raped in Muslims countries.

- The intolerance show against homosexual.

- That Islam (religion of peace) claims that infidels (which include myself) deserve to die.

- The barbarian way Muslims kills animals so that they suffer as much as possible.

- The non acceptant of the lows in my country and culture.

- The war against Freedom of Speech.

- The burning of the Danish embassy.

- The burning of the Danish flag.

- Continuing dead treats against my country and its people (including myself, my family and friends).

- Muslims, who come to Denmark and contributes nothings to this country except living of one of the world’s highest welfares, break our lows and complain about Denmark being racist. -Which is actually funny, as Denmark has given them all the opportunity in this world, with free education and money while studying (this include university). And also keep respecting their demands, such as severing only halal meet in Danish public schools (also banding pigs), and separating boys and girls in swimming lesions. (And the list goes on and on and on)

- The shitty music that Outlandish has poisoned Denmark with.

- The murder of Theo van Gogh.

- The beheading of western people (Which is also show on your televisions)

- The terrorist attacks against innocents in Bali.

- The terrorist attacks against innocents in Madrid.

- The terrorist attacks against innocents in London on 7/7 (where I came close to losing the one person that means the most to me)

Muslims, who thinks that their emotions about Islam are more legitimate and more impotent than my emotions regarding human rights and democracy.

And note that I want an apology from all Muslims! As following their own logic you have to hold the majority responsible for what the minority does.

Jack - 2/11/2006

The Dane's main mistake was allowing Muslims into their country in the first place.
(I will now try to buy Danish products)

Wait, what? - 2/11/2006

Oh, your a dumbass, yea thats rite.

What... - 2/11/2006

...if the same thing happened to your religous leader (such as Jesus in the case of those Christian), would you making the same arguments for freedom of speech?

I also remember, vaguely, something about limitations in the freedom of speech in the case of enciting violence or something called the Clear and Present Danger test in the American Constitution.

I denounce the Danish Government for taking a matter like this with no response and negligence.

Raj - 2/11/2006

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&;newsId=20060210005547&newsLang=en

O Fair Kingdom of the North... Generous, Incorruptible, Loyal, Brave - you stand at the pinnacle of human evolution. Your magnanimity and hospitality have been abused by the very creatures to whom you had provided shelter in your moments of irrational multicultural exuberance. Corners of the wretched and destitute world where there are no Danish geopolitical, global supremacy agenda involved, are benefitting from the rain of your kindness; yet the creatures who have long been the ungrateful recipients of such no-strings-attached generosity, are burning your proud, ancient flag. (conveniently overlooking the fact that it symbolizes a non-violent godly soul, who is allegedly sacred, as a prophet, to them as well).

Some say its a myth, that King Christian wore the Yellowstar during the nazi occupation; yet there can possibly be no smoke without fire. (unless you're Jesse Jackson?) Exaggeration? maybe, but hardly a fanciful tale. I stand in awe of your magnificent history.***

God Bless. You have the support of all the right-thinking people of the world. (As well as myself)

-Raj

***This snivelling paen applies purely to the post-jomsvikings era. Naturally.

Mew - 2/11/2006

To the pompous Swede who claims that Denmark is so racist, and the your censorship-loving country is not. Why is it that Sweden has around 3000 racist related crimes every year, yet Denmark only has 50-60?
The different between our nations is that we are not afraid to speak public about issues that concern the general public. You are so obsessed about being political correct that you ignore the real issues.
And this is from a left-wing Dane.

danish_us - 2/11/2006

Listen Misra, I dont know what your articles have to do with this blog? We dont discuss here religions,it is your right to criticise a religion or qualify it as you want , but we seek to find ways to solve the problems.
If you want to support danish, or suggest solutions to the problem you are welcome but please without generalizing and increasing more hate between muslims and christians who all are humans. Violence was in every religion but some People are making violence by misunderstanding religions. If 1.5 Billion muslims were violent like you said then, you werent here writing.

Fact is your comments are racists and, and I think me and most of the danes we dont share your views. You can write your comments in any anti-islam forums you want (there are plenty of them)but definitively it has no place here.
Dont take it personally

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Intercultural does not mean all accepting. There is only a few dictum worth following: Gandhi: The means is the end. Socrates: Violence negates reason. Jesus: Love your enemies. Islam will violence as a means, read the Koran; Islam therefore negates reason and peace; Islam teaches the killing of enemies. One does not tolerate the intolerant. One does not tolerate Nazis or racists. One does not tolerate violent religions. But, the way to not tolerate is to reason. Sadly, the Muslim countries prevent dialogue; they ban evangelism. I am proud to be a Christian, who believes in the words of Jesus, a nonviolent man, and not Mohammed, a violent man who justified killing, who married a child, and who lived a worldly life.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

I love Dansk products. I will do my little part to make up for the boycott by the Shiites and Sunni, and no, there is no "Islam," because it is two sects who are at each other's throats. Which is right? Both see each other as heretics. Both are violent. Both are irrational. Well, maybe there is an "Islam," all of it is violent and irrational.

anas - 2/11/2006

Another hate speach. The topic have nothing related to the subject. Both Shiite and Suni Muslims protest againt denmark. This is the fact. Who is Idi Amin your are talking about?.

anas - 2/11/2006

I feel those who enjoy hate speach should be punished. Danish products boycott is the right of those who felt that they have been insulted.
It very shamefull for danish to ask others to buy their products while they show them no respect.

Gary - 2/11/2006

"where were your ilk when your hero facsist loving clinton was dropping the bombs - somehow - you weren't in the streets then - were you - hypocrite leftists"
And yes I was on the streets against war, while you were still sucking your finger.

"yeah Bush was holding a gun to your cousin's back forcing him to go to war"
That proves that you are an idiot who is watching CNN with the "God bless America" Propaganda.
My cousin never wanted to go on war to Iraq but he had no choice, either he goes there or he ll be fired from the army and brought to the justice.
We all know no soldier wanted to go to war,but never heard military authority?. Remember Bush was promising green cards to south americans if they go to war, and was paying money for poor people to go to war, cause american faggots like you call for war in Blogs but when it comes to the real war they prefer to stay home enjoying how our soldiers kill children and how our soldiers get killed.
So "Fight Back" if you like war why you dont go to iraq and fight or are you too scared to get your ass kicked or you small head thrown away from a brain
An idiot said"Intellectual laziness and lack of originality"
please show me some kind of originality in your post "Our lives are now endangered by the new fascists!", sounds like a 15 years old teenie playing counterstrike:)

loser said"pick up some history books and find out who the fascists really were and still are."
Ay yeah who are the faschists?
you can pick up some history books and work out your brain:
1975 Vietnam War Over two million people were including 55,000 U.S. troops
1961 vs. Cuba
1983 Grenada
1989 US Invasion of Panama:Over 2,000 Panamanians were killed in the invasion to capture one leader
1990-1991 Gulf War Up to 200,000 civilian Iraqis were killed in the war
1992 Somalia Instead of remaining neutral, U.S. forces took the side of one faction against another faction, and bombed a Mogadishu neighborhood killing 4000 people
1995-1996 Other so called "humanitarian interventions Yugoslavia
2001 Invasion of Afghanistan more than 20000 Afghan civilians were killed
2003 Invasion of Iraq more than 3000 Us troops were killed and at least 100,000 Iraqi civilians

Of course, these wars were explained to the U.S. stupid people like you as defending the lives and rights of civilian populations. The civilian deaths are always explained away as "accidental" or "unavoidable.".

Whether in Vietnam, Central America, or the Persian Gulf, the U.S. was not defending "freedom" but an ideological agenda (such as defending capitalism) or an economic agenda (such as protecting oil company investments).

If a country has the right to "end" a state that trains terrorists, would Cuba or Nicaragua have had the right to launch defensive bombing raids on U.S. targets to take out exile terrorists?

Unfortunately there are many people (intellectula laziness??) who believe that shit that Bush &Co are telling us.
And I can tell you more little boy about the history of the US Army but I want to save my intellectual Capacities for intellectual people and for more interesting discussions.

Go - 2/11/2006

Some more BUY DANISH addresses:

http://www.buy-danishproducts.com/

http://www.buydanish.net/

http://www.madeindenmark.org/

Sven from Denmark - 2/11/2006

What lac of swedish moral.
Hard to hear a suede talk about tolerence. Your skinheads and nazi symphatizers are infecting most of Scandinavia...
Hard to see you as anything but what you are... Lets talk again when swedish arms no longer appears in your national income...
Fy fan for dubbeltmoral prata om sameksistens og handla vapen til diktatorerna ... svenske djævle...

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Who the hell is the unknown Lacy O'Leary? I can think of a dozen historians, a number of them MUSLIM court historians, who carefully recorded how Islam spread not only by the sword. The backward Muslim barbarians burnt universities, destroyed temples, feasted after massacres, and murdered monks. Read someone with a real name in history (of course, you are the same Hasan who picks English racists like Carlyle) such as H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Will and Ariel Durant, Joseph Campbell, the world famous mythologist, Max Weber, the founder of sociology. That is why, Hasan, after 800 years of Muslim murderous rule, Hindus, Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, and tribal people in India hate Muslims. That is why your nations are backward, because you lived off the work, the plunder of other people's civilizations, never having to innovate. That is why your backwater nations missed the Renaissance. That is why there is no university of museum with any worthwhile name anywhere in the Arab world. Where there is something interesting to look at besides endless geometrics is the civilization of others, such as the ancient Egyptians. Face it Hasan, you all had a thousand years of this violent faith, and you blew it. Now, you can only defend it by murder and censorship, by preventing enlightened and nonviolent faiths from preaching in your backwater nations, one-commodity economies.

Histz - 2/11/2006

It seems like things have changed,
nowadays it's 'svensk' supporting
fascism, Islamic fascism (!)- and
Jyllands-Posten (#1 daily in Denmark) that are fighting for democracy and civil rights.

That's ironical, or ....

Judge for yourself: www.jp.dk (pages
in english, french, dutch and arabic)

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Because one cannot rise above one's teaching. The Koran and Mohammed teach followers to kill; Jesus teaches peace. Killing by any means necessary, including terrorism, beheading, knifing, shooting, bombing, all all acceptable. Jesus taught us to love our enemies. Islam teaches us to kill them.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

But, Hasan, what if the father is a killer too, then why should he turn his son in. Islam's founder teaches that killing of those who refuse to believe is good. He does not say how, beheading, bombing, shooting, knifing, poisoning, gassing, or strangling. All is alright. Whipping, prescribed also by the Koran, is also alright. Why should such a father turn his equally brutal son in? Both are the same. Muhammed killed. His followers kill. Mohammed would approve, not disapprove. Over one thousand years of Muslim library burning, temple and church destruction, statue destruction, art destruction, slavery, killing and dictatorship are enough. We know what Islam is all about and we refuse. Jesus is better, he is nonviolent. Socrates is better, he is nonviolent. Buddha is better, he is nonviolent. Gandhi is better, he is nonviolent. Now, Hasan, try hard this time not to kill the messenger, try logically defending yourself by a standard higher than what Islam offers.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/11/2006

Dear Sunshine,
The drawings(as I dont think you have seen) is in any way legal printet in denmark. So not accepting the law in the country where they live (as was the case for a small group of danish imams) was actually the worst thing about all this. Its actually the imams and islamist that should apologize to the danish people, to all moderate muslims in denmark and the the state of denmark for this most offending traveling around in ME spreading lies about Denmark. Anything else but this is turning the whole case upsite down. And thats what you and other islamist are doing!!! trying to make this look like its you that have been offended what it is the imams that are the offender against legal laws in the country they live in....shame on them....

stepper - 2/11/2006

Another example of a poor bastard turning insane because of religion.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Poor weak Hasan! Boo hoo. Weak is when those who truly believe in Islam when it calls for the killing of those who refuse to submit kidnap a woman reporter and threaten to kill her. Weak is when Sunni or Shiite countries ban evangelism by other faiths because they are afraid the Koran just won't measure up. Weakness physically comes to those who are weak mentally, irrational. Hasan, you have written in other posts that fundamentalism is good and that terrorism is good. You actually justify terrorism. Don't be weak, Hasan, strap on some bombs and go after, first, some Sunni or Shiite, whichever sect you are not, since one or the other is heretical, and send yourself to heaven where you can enjoy the light that is God by penetrating 72 hymens.

Slater - 2/11/2006

And it's our democratic right to think they are retards ;)

Slater - 2/11/2006

Sorry buddy, but only Muslims get offended THAT easily.

Slater - 2/11/2006

Well.. Sorry to say this, Sunshine, but that's a load of crap.

> "Printing and even Re-printing those insulting cartoons was indeed a violent act"

Eh. That's really not making any sense. I don't think you know what violent means.

> "What satisfaction do u ppl get by doing these shameful act"

We tell ourselves that we are not being controlled by some religion, that we have nothing to do with, even though they constantly try to subdue us.

> "We never insult any religion"

Oh boy. Could you possibly lie any more? That's the biggest load of horsecrap anyone has said here, I think.

> "You All should be ashamed of urself and Should Apologize To The Muslim Nation!!!"

Right. We draw a picture, you beat us up, riot and burn our flags. And WE should apologize? Surely you MUST be kidding?

steppeulv - 2/11/2006

You are right Steve- after all the british and the danes are the same breed.

Pomerol - 2/11/2006

Sunshine you are letting yourself be controled by your "boiling blood". Do you really think letting yourself be controled by hatred will make the people of Europe respect your views. Do you really think this boycott will do you any good.
I still have not lost hope in a peaceful solution. But at the moment it seems as like you and many other muslims must take a break and calm down before we can communicate.

stepper - 2/11/2006

Sweden has no free speech, and the swedes are oppressed and dont have the guts to say their opinion in public. Sweden proves what political correctnes does to the people!

stepper - 2/11/2006

you go ahead ignorant moslem- why dont you boykot all the help you get from Denmark too. The so called profet Mohamed was a pedofile thug. You have no place in a civilized world.

sunshine - 2/11/2006

I m a muslim.
And i m going to boycott denmark's product. Why? Because that insulting Cartoons boiled my blood.
It is the quality of a good human being and specially a good nation to respect other peoples sentiments, faith and believe. But sorry to say those newspaper told a completely different story. Printing and even Re-printing those insulting cartoons was indeed a violent act and the reaction by the muslim ummah is the start of a new chaos. It happens everytime.
What satisfaction do u ppl get by doing these shameful act. We never insult any religion. Regional clashes is a different scenario but humiliating a Prophet respected by all the muslims around the world is a disgusting act. You All should be ashamed of urself and Should Apologize To The Muslim Nation!!!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/11/2006

The Mujahideen movement in Afghanistan was not started by the U.S. it was at a later point financed by several countries and trained by the CIA in order to fight the Soviet Union invasion of that country.

Since you live in the U.S. you must know that during the 80's the U.S. was involved in a cold war with the other super power at that time, the Soviet Union (USSR). The U.S. and other countries were trying to stop the spread of Communism. USSR was supporting a Marxist-Leninist style government in Afghanistan. When that government seemed to be failing, the Soviet army entered Afghanistan.

Al Qaeda is mainly comprised of non-Afghani Arab fighters. That's why there was also a movement named Taliban who were the Afghan fighters in Afghanistan.

In short, the U.S., and other countries, did not support the Islamic ideologies of the Mujahideen but they supported their fight against communist USSR.

Here is a bit more, although not everything on Wikipedia can be trusted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_invasion_of_Afghanistan

S Misra - 2/11/2006

How the Sunni and Shiite cry for their dead, but think nothing of killing others. How they weep and are outraged about lies about them, but think nothing of spreading lies about others. Plenty of Jews died in the Twin Towers, you are anti-Semites, vile little people who deny the Holocaust, which began with the murder of tens of thousands of those with physical and mental disabilities and ended with the murder of 12-18 million, of which 6 million were Jews, but others were the Roma, Slavs, Communists, Catholics, Poles, Greeks, mixed race people from North Africa, and others. You dishonor the memory of all of them. Do you fools know what Hitler would have done had he entered the brown lands of Islamdom? You would all be slaves or dead. You are brown, get it? Hitler was no friend of yours, fools.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Hasan, the biggest killer and oppressor of Muslims is Muslims. Sunni murder, kidnap, beat, knife, torture, bomb and gas fellow Muslims, as they did in the early 1970s in Bangladesh (read the journalist Jack Anderson of the Washington Post), as they did in Afghanistan, and of course, the wonderful homeland, Saudi Arabia, the shelter for such butchers as Idi Amin, a Muslim cannibal given mercy housing in the land of Mohammed, where Idi Amin Dada lived out his life in luxury. Daily, reports flow in on Sunni or Shiite led atrocities, for which no Sunni or Shiite ever protests. Try candlelight vigils, not bombs.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Hasan, read Martin Luther King. You say "we are more emotions, sentiments, feelings." What utter nonsense. All human beings are the same the world over. King said there are churches that are all light and no heat and those that are all heat and no light. All emotions make all heat, no light. Ramming your violent religion down the throats of those refusing to believe your particular sect, murdering fellow "Muslims" such as Pakistani "Muslims" did to Bengali "Muslims," or such as Muslims did when they spread the institution of slavery throughout sub-Saharan Africa, all this is emotion. Hasan, more logic, less maudlin (tearful, sentimental in a weak or emotional way) sentiment.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Hasan! You are a sentimentalist about your own need to be understood, but your head has one way filters, never understanding others. Yes, I know what infidel means. It means disloyal, unfaithful, or unbelieving. It is name calling. Why should I have blind fidelity? Why should anyone? Of course, most Sunni or Shiite countries (there is no such thing as "Islam"), entirely missed the Renaissance and have no Bills of Rights, no free speech, no freedom of religion, and no reliance upon reason, just repetitive unthinking exegesis (look it up Hasan). Socratic humility has utterly passed your nations by. You know that you know and force others to know. If only you didn't force others, you would be harmless fools, but you force others and become murderous sociopaths. Suicide-homocide bombers who, in the end, have as their deepest desire the sensual life in heaven breaking 72 hymens.

Fight Back - 2/11/2006

you prove Gary the socialist how stupid you and your kind are - yeah Bush was holding a gun to your cousin's back forcing him to go to war
While you're wallowing in self-pity and hatred - pick up some history books and find out who the fascists really were and still are. Too much "work" for you - socialist - have to have everything handed to you on the platter?
Or save time - socialist Gary - look in the mirror.
by the way - your cousin is an American hero who sacrificed so that blathering idiot socialists like you have a life to waste on idiocy and unrealistic ideals like pacifisim (where were your ilk when your hero facsist loving clinton was dropping the bombs - somehow - you weren't in the streets then - were you - hypocrite leftists)
and no need to worry about "hell" as an good socialist you're no doubt an atheist as well - so no hell - loser
I know your cousin is in a much better place than your socialist fascist hell you have created and perpetuated against the truthes of reality
try using some real English language (or any other for that matter) minus the foulness - it only further proves your socialists intellectual laziness and lack of originality - Try not to be just another socialist -like all the rest - eh Gary

Pomerol - 2/11/2006

I forgive you for your words. And I have no anger directed towards you. How could I hate a person, I have not even meet?

S Misra - 2/11/2006

That's it, Hasan? Those are your arguments? I could argue Islam's case better than you. Do not confuse passion and desire for truth with anger. But, of course, all Muslims don't experience passion, which requires a deliberate desire to think, to reason, to feel, all the executive functions (look it up, Hasan), demanded of rational human beings, just hate. Burning embassies for cartoons?!? Why don't Muslims protest when loyal and true soldiers of Islam butcher civilians, and by the way, poor Hasan, the greatest killer and oppressor of Muslims is Muslims (more accurately, Sunni of Shiite and Shiite of Sunni, there is no "Islam"). Where were Muslims when the violated bodies of Americans were hung off a bridge in Iraq. You cry for your own miseries and think nothing of causing misery to others. Those who live by the sword (and cowards who hide in back rooms cheering the front line soldiers), die by the sword, and should not whine. Take it like a man. But a real man can control their libido without tenting their women. A real man fights soldiers not civilians. Are there such real men in Islam?

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Gary - 2/11/2006

ye please clarify to them Hayley, they all have their brains washed by the media and bush propaganda, as well as these muslim extremists created by bush & co who turned now against him.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Hasan, Hasan, once again you attack the messenger, not the message. You do know that is an error in logic, but, I forget, Islam does not depend on logic, just force. Your nervous tic, the wink, the misspellings, the failure to capitalize, the poor grammar, just confirms that I am in a conversation with someone unaccusomed to using his mind. Hasan, do not hide in your tutu, go, fight some Sunni or Shiite, whichever you are not. After all, not once have you denied any of the facts I have written. But in Islam, you don't need facts, just faith, better yet, a melodramatic sense of victimhood (why I don't know, Islam has victimized from Asia to Africa to Europe) and a fear of conversation. If you are an intellectual representative of your Islamic bretheren, Islam is doomed. Brain not brawn Hasan. I fully intend to purchase as many Danish products as I can, and am encouraging others to do the same. With the blessings of God, whatever minor amounts of Danish goods your Muslim brothers do not buy, Christians will. Remember, Hasan, make sure to continue on your illogical way...by doing that, by refusing to deal with facts, you will remain, as will Muslim countries, backwaters of the world. Remember too, Hasan, seek therapy for your rabid anti-homosexual attitudes, a clear indicator that you are suppressing your own inclinations in that regard. Seek therapy too for your anti-woman attitude. Your nations cannot rise keeping half their population as property. In the holy land of Saudi Arabia, they cannot even drive. Pathetic. If you are a real man, and you have supported terrorism in your previous posts, you will act on your impulses and soon, your god will reward you with the 72 hymens you seek (they are not women with their own feelings, just things to be lusted after and entertained by. I still remember how the Afghan Taliban whipped women in the streets and beheaded women in stadiums to cheering audiences. THAT, unfortunate Shiite or Sunni Hasan, is "Islam." Islam is library burning, shooting women in the head (as one of your Sunni or Shiite brothers did to a Muslim woman in Bhagdad day before yesterday), and kidnapping innocent reporters threatening their lives and beheading others. Now, Hasan, be a real man, strap on some bombs and act on what you preach (see your previous posts where you support terror). Otherwise, you are just a coward. By the way, keep your day job, your attempts at humor are sad. Of course, to be humorous, one must understand the human condition, and you are a mere dogmatist, constantly seeking to pound others into your violent faith, appropriately called "Submission." Sorry Hasan, a real man uses his mind, use yours and prove me wrong. You can't do it because I have supported my case with facts. But to do that you have to know history, and I doubt there is a single university in any so-called Muslim country that teaches history, just self-serving propaganda. Be a real man, Hasan, either take off your tutu and fight and kill and die, or learn to use rules of logic.

Hayley Marks - 2/11/2006

by Ensan 7orr (free human) on February 10, 2006 at 11:00 PM
"We all know that no one bombs children on purpose except for Hamas and other Islamic terror groups like Al Qaida." I live in the States
so am sorry to break it you but extreme groups such as the Al Qaida and Hamas were actually formed by the US themselves in order to put down Islam and the reality is that you have all got sucked into the lies and propaganda.

S Misra - 2/11/2006

Hasan was quoting his Koran, which is what I referred to. He is also fond of quoting Carlyle, an Englishman and a racist. Refer back to his quote in which he says someone else quoted the Koran out of context; that person did not quote it out of context. The solution, at the end of the quote, is to kill and maim in the name of Allah. Are you thicker?

- 2/11/2006

'Support' him all you want. I shall not bother saying anything because I understand how easy it is for you to get manipulated in such a "brain washed" society when it comes to understanding the real concepts of Islam!!

- 2/11/2006

Well said!! :D

Hayley Marks - 2/11/2006

Gary, your references to the 'koran' are not from the Holy Qur'an but rather from some hate sites/books made with the intention of portraying Islam in the wrong way. I would urge you to read or refer to the correct version, which can be found on this site: www.quran.org.uk/
I am a jewish girl living in the states and I am appauled that such a mockery has been made of the religion

Pomerol - 2/11/2006

"we as swedes are smart enough to see that the main reason behind the is to ptovoke and insult muslims inorder to get more votes, not to support freedom my speech."

Dear friend. You really should take a look down historylane....

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/11/2006

I'll gladly elaborate. The poster is islamic so I referenced his named god, it is however monotheism in general that I stab at (most notably christianity, judaism and islam). But you are correct, I did not make that clear.

I suggest that the burden of proof does not rest with me for two basic reasons:

~ I am not positing the existence of something.
~ Millions of people over roughly a period of 4000 years have been positing the existence of god, yet it remains unsubstantiated.

What often strikes me, is this particular god only introduced himself in these last 4000 thousand years or so(?) Mankind has been entertaining comparable belief systems for tens of thousands of years. Only now the 'real' god stands up?

Just musing aloud.

- 2/11/2006

S Misra Can u not read or r u just thick? Hasan was quoting someones quote!

dddd - 2/11/2006

fuk you DANISH people.

Hayley Marks - 2/11/2006

I may not be a muslim, but what you have said doesnt make sense. What do you know truhfully about the imams? How can you then come up with a load of crap and say quote: "just because the imams have given ur country false informations and drawings? which they "the imam" self have coz this kaos? why punish the imams for misinforming the real thing that happened? showing false pics and interpreting if uncorrectly??"

Thor - Denmark - 2/11/2006

Dear Khalid.
I dísagree with You.
This matter has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Prophet, Islam, or cartoons.
The only reason for this is to get somebody to bully. Somebody not as powerful as the french or the americans. A french paper were the first to copy the cartoons. Has anybody called for a french boycot? No. France is to big for you ... So You will find someone smaller to punch..
There is just a small problem here: Like a great number of danish people I am a sponsorparent for an african muslim boy.
My family are helping and supporting children in the less devellopped muslim part of africa, like manny other danish ordinary people do. Sad, but necessary..
What do you seriously belive will happen to these sponsorships, if we took your boycotnonsense seriously - and what do you think will happen to these sponsorships? Do you think that they will be taken over by the rich arab sheiks and princes of the muslim world? Seriously??
I am a responsible person. I would never dream of cutting my help. I know that this boy is totally dependent on me - but it's a bit ironicle, that while you are screaming your faces off, burning our flag, we are feeding your children...

Gary - 2/11/2006

"Fight back" got mad cause not everyone agreed with him:)
Grow up guy and forget about westerns Unification. Go to the streets and support your stupid Bush who is fooling you everyday:) Ah the last lie was that he avoided a terror attack 2002 in Los Angelos. Mr Bush knows how to fuck your brains and use your fear from terrorism to get more money and more votes from some stupid americans like you.
And yes I am socialist , I am against war does it make me an idiot?? My cousin died in Iraq during the war, but who the fuck was guilty?? Is it the terrorist who is iraqian and killed an american soldier in his own countrey or is it you mr fucking bush who sent my cousin to the hell???????If we all want to unify than against all the fashists in the world beginning from Bush to Bin Laden & Co

steppeulv - 2/11/2006

Thanks Pedro- united we will prevail!

svensk - 2/11/2006

Thomas u didnt get the point. Sverigedemokratarna is a nationalist party full of nazis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sverigedemokraterna ) The party has never received widespread support because of its hatred against foreigners (recieved only 1.4% by the last elections, what about Dansk Folkpartei in Dänemark). Why should we support a nationalist party under the cover of freedom of speech?? My own opinino the goernment should forbid such nazis and put them to jails

For that reason , we as swedes are smart enough to see that the main reason behind the is to ptovoke and insult muslims inorder to get more votes, not to support freedom my speech. The government saw this earier than yours and decided to remover the page because the magazine has nothing to do with freedom of speech, it has to do with ethic and moral. In europe most of the magazines that published the cartoons are showing sympathy with right radicals parties who are against immigration (Die welt in Germany owned by a jew, the norwegian paper are christian extremists, the swedish paper are nazis)
I recommend you to read this good article written by a neutral danish, it just summarizes everything I wanted to say.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2006/02/08/denmark/print.html

And here is a video about the danish police protecting neo-nazis and kesseling demonstrantants against nazis in Hillerød like animals.
http://www.lorry.dk/moduler/nyheder/showregvideo.asp?dato=04-02-2006&;cID=1&vId=276616
Democraty my ass.
So fuck the freedom of speech if it brings new Hilers to Europe.

- 2/11/2006

i die for uk

Pomerol - 2/11/2006

"I fully disagree with 'svensk', but will defends his right to say it; even that everybody he does not like is classified as National Socialist i.e Nazis!"

Of course even I will defend his right to be ignorant....

LetsVote - 2/11/2006

Why not play ostrich ?

In the interest of truth,
legislative elections were held in Denmark on February 8, 2005
with result of 444.205 votes, expressed in percentages = 13,2 to DPP

For reference see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_parliamentary_election%2C_2005

The point is that quite many voters like them, and it's the terms of democracy and freedom. If you don't like that, the Immams like you :)

Fight Back - 2/11/2006

socialist Gary on February 10, 2006 at 10:22 PM
"so what superman?..."
so what useful idiot? - your pitiful excuses are made by terrorist muslims while beheading innocents and bombing women and children - daily
you will go the way of your terror heros -to your idiotic "utopias"

Pomerol - 2/11/2006

You are probably right. But I do not see we have a choice. In the end I will have to stand up for those stupid Imams who traveled around the ME telling lies to race international anger against Denmark.

Mikkel Pind - 2/11/2006

Just because you can open a book and quote from it does not prove anything. I'm not saying you can't quote in general. Just that 10 quotes won't help your point more than 1... Use quotes as to underline your point, not hide it. But by all means, let's have a contest how many submissive quotes we can find in all holy books... You will get nowhere in my opinion.

And you're welcome for as much as you could use ;)

hasan - 2/11/2006

Man! your really pissed off!

hasan - 2/11/2006

S Misra; a true hindu never leaves his venom go dry...wink, wink,

I know for a fact that you will go about bragging without facts...I knew you'd be here after revealing the BEEFY TRUTH. I have given so many examples of prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that hate mongers like you can learn something from. Have you forgotton the violance of "mahabharat" it starts with violance and ends in violance. complete chapters on war and killing...too bloody man! may be you are one of those who hide behind these danes (christians, jews, atheists) and when they see their oponent offguard come out and stab but they dont stay there to face the reaction; they go back and hide again...what a looser!

Xero - 2/11/2006

Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a 'heavyweight'
fighter, - she is fearless and unwearied in her clinch with Islamic
fundamentalism.

She indeed deserves all over support, to help us!!

And www.jp.dk is #1 in Internet hits

Zorr - 2/11/2006

Hi Sherri
Where in the world you are ?,- but try this one for inspiration

http://buydanish.home.comcast.net/products.htm

Thomas - 2/11/2006

Someone here seems to thing that freedom of speech has to do with the actual message, weather you sympathize with or not. I fully disagree with 'svensk', but will defends his right to say it; even that everybody he does not like is classified as National Socialist i.e Nazis!

But the fact of the matter is that Sweden vs Denmark in free press is like night and day. And one day it will surely backfire for the 'know-all' swedes.
Just for try this one and see what comes up:
http://www.sverigedemokraterna.se/
They have a newspage on
http://www.sdkuriren.se/

Like to quote Boston Globe: We are all Danes now!

Othman - 2/11/2006

To Hundertmark

When you said “The cartoons wasn´t ment for you.”

I recognize misunderstanding of Islamic religion from your side and I don’t blame you for that. However, Prophet Mohammed is important for all Muslims alike. It is not a regional issue belongs to Danish Muslims only?

You said “”You would never have heard about it if it wasn´t for some extremist muslim priests, who were born in the Middle Eastern countries and felt at home there rather than in Denmark””

Here it obvious that you have problem with Muslims in your country with they are Danish or foreigners, but this is your right to feel what ever you like. However, this problem has many elements helped to make this cartoons even bigger problem. The disrespect to Prophet Mohammed is an insult and great one to start with but later what happened when Danish Muslims tried to complain, they got negative respond from the Newspaper. Later, a group of Ambassadors wanted to meet the Danish Prime Minister to discuss the issue, HE REFUSES TO MEET THEM? After that the news took this diplomatic setback and linked to the main story behind it, the public started to react with support from the local public Organizations.

When you said “”Something is wrong here - somebody with an agenda of their own is playing you like at flute.””

I agree with you but I add. On both sides there are radicals, and such huge event is their high seasons to promote their ideas. In our side some call to blame all Danish people and hate them eventually. Radicals from your side, instead of tackling the source of the crises which is the Newspaper which published the Cartoons, they divert the blame to Danish Muslims to hold them accountable for the problem, they got hurts and later they are to blame.

I understand you can’t get the idea, how disunited Muslims got united all the sudden. Well, the stake is high this time and it is not a political propaganda it is about our prophet and we are different in many ways but we are one in our love to Prophet MOHAMMED.

I hope you got it?

Othman - 2/11/2006

To Ann

Please when you quote my words complete the sentence.

I said "About your question about wither I saw the cartoons? Yes I did unfortunately and I saw them even before they published, when the newspaper display some of them and ask the readers to votes." This happened during a request for voting on the newspaper website, website, and website???

Why now and not before, because the was a period of communication between Danish Muslims and Danish government and followed be further political effort from Int'l Islamic Organization and Danish government. Finally, the famous crisis when Danish Prime Minister refuses to met a group of Ambassadors from Islamic countries. One thing led to another, the issue gets escalated in the media due to the cold response from Danish government and her we are.

Gary - 2/11/2006

Quote: "do you honestly think the danes have done nothing wrong at all???"

Yes, Rio, I honestly believe the Danes have done nothing wrong. What the heck has age to do with this? No matter what my age, you would have a sarcastic come back.

Richard John Purvis - 2/10/2006

I'm a Canadian and will be buying as many Danish goods as I can; today I bought some delicious havarti cheese made by Arla. Does anyone know of a good Danish brand of yogurt available in Canada?
Stand firm, freedom of speech is far more important than supposed insults to the islamic cult.

Cheers,
Richard John Purvis
Toronto, Canada

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/10/2006

We all know that no one bombs children on purpose except for Hamas and other Islamic terror groups like Al Qaida.

I think many muslims would like to live peacfuly, but there is a true problem in the middle east, and when it tries to scare people off practicing their God given rights of expressing themselves, that tolerance will only encourage them more. Think about it.

Sherri - 2/10/2006

Please list more ways to buy Danish.

Gary - 2/10/2006

so what superman? How can you participate to rescue the world? by bombing children in Iran and Syria like you did in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Is it not smarter to be tolerant equal to all the people to avoid conflicts that lead to war??

Ali - 2/10/2006

In fact the message was to Tom:)

Ali - 2/10/2006

Nice words. I am happy that people like you exist. I have respect for people like you and I hope that this issue caused by both radicals who are trying to win , does not affect the relations between pacifists europeans and moderate Muslims.
Many Greatings from Palestine.

Gary - 2/10/2006

Quote: "Therefore stop all these quotations, they lead nowhere!"

I'll post what I feel is relevant, thank you very little.

Enon - 2/10/2006

this just tell us what we already know. The Swedes are supresed by a facsist rule..

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

You can read this article about the Swedish censorship if you like. I doesn't state anything about respect, but it states a whole lot of other reasons why Sweden choose to close down the site.......
The least you can do is to tell the truth about this censorship instead of making up stories about respect. You may translate it into english yourself...

http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.sasp?PageID=437856

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

Politically I'm not in bed with Dansk Folkeparti. But it seems as though any say that isn't appreciated on this board is handled by using names like fascist etc.. As a matter of fact I have absolutely nothing against moderate muslims. Some of my own friends are muslims.
But censorship has never been and will never be a good idear. We need to discuss this issue - censorship doesn't help in terms of mutual understanding. But what do I know - maybe the people of Sweden knows something the rest of EU doesn't...

Tom - 2/10/2006

Hi svensk.
Political I am on the left side, and as I recall Sweden has a greater number of Nazis compared to Denmark. I have to say, I am on the left side and therefore don’t like the Dansk Folkeparti. However Dansk Folkeparti is not a Nazi party. I am getting sick of listen to the extreme left side people calling Dansk Folkeparti a Nazi party.
For me all extremist are sick in the head. If it is the left, right, east or west side extremist really doesn’t matter. In the end you don’t care what political extreme side your death sentence comes from. I welcome all Muslims, Jew and Christian in to Denmark, as long as you have a good heart and have no intensions of hurting other people, or take over the world!

Thanks,

Phil Ochs - 2/10/2006

I live in Betheada, Md. USA. The bloggers are callng for a buy Danish movemet that I support. Their impact is limited. The main stream media and our government have been silent. Your government must openly ask the American people to Buy Danish for this movement to have any real impact. I know the American people with proper leadership will answer the call and more than make up for any lost busimness in the Moslem countries. If we do not hang together we will all hang separately.

Phil Ochs - 2/10/2006

Why do you hate? We are prepared to live with you but we can't on your terms. We infidels will fight to preserve our freedom. Is that what you want or can you compromise in this world on religious issues? Everyone is starting to learn to live together, the Christians, Hindus, Buddhists and Jews.But the Moslems can't seem to work with the rest us? The hard part is it takes not just learning respect for others but also learning to be a bit thick skinned, turning the other cheek and accepting some insults. The only alternative is endless religous war.

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Poor Hasan, frightened by cartoons. Meanwhile, your funny coreligionists are murdering each other. There is no "Islam" there is only Sunni and Shiite. At least in free nations, they allow Muslims to preach. In your backward despotic fake theocracies you prevent others from preaching. You are afraid your religion will lose "followers." Poor Islam, unable to stand freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom in general. Well, I have held you, brave Hasan, long enough. If you are Sunni, go kill some nonbelieving Shiites, and if you are Shiite, time's a wasting, go kill some Sunni. To one the other is heresy. Freedom means toleration, and, even more so, the ability to reason together, but that requires an open mind, and yours seems hermetically sealed by the glue of intolerance and hate.

T - 2/10/2006

errrm... So killing women and children blowing up soda shops and beheading people is ok for you to do since we are infidels but killing your terrorist, oh I mean martyrs’ hiding among your innocent peace loving people is wrong. I know its only murder if you’re NOT a Muslim, killing Jews and Christians is ok. Why do our countries give money to your back world barbarian culture? You should stay in your area and starve and we should leave you to blow each other up. ( directed at the feeble minded Muslims like you )

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Hasan: reread your quote, it still says kill, kill, kill. Jesus and others like Buddha and Gandhi have said violence cannot be conquered by violence. Your "God" is violent and you are his obedient and violent children. Believe in Jesus, who is nonviolent and brave. Any idiot can wield a sword; your fellow Muslims use it often enough against each other, and to kill helpless civilians, even women, even Muslim women such as in Iraq today when some of one sect, Sunni or Shiite, killed a bystander Muslim woman by shooting her in the head. I have a clear picture; yours is a violent religion that rewards its violent killers with 72 hymens to break. Pathetic.

svensk - 2/10/2006

Houhou who is belling, a pathetic dane begging americans for buying their beer:). We dont show cartoons because we respect religions and we are tolerant people. not like you faschist danes.
Go to hell you and your Hitler Dansk Folkeparti

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Hasan, there you go quoting English racists again. Hasan, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. The problem is not just that Mohammed was a killer, he killed. The problem is his followers kill each other and have been killing others, often not to convert but to loot and rob and rape. Don't believe me, go read history, much of it written by Muslim court scribes. Hasan, I do hope with your love of the sword, you are not sitting in a tutu in your apartment cheering on the bloody kidnappers and killers, the ever faithful Sunni or Shiites, which one are you? Go now quickly, kill the Other!!! If you are Sunni, kill the Shiite heretics; if you are Shiite, kill the Sunni heretics. Once you have killed yourselves till your bloodlust is satisfied, stop and think, repent and believe in a true Messiah, one who preached love and peace, Jesus.

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Hasan, there you go again. Christ preaches nonviolence. Mohammed preaches violence. No Christian can defend violence because they can never find a word in the mouth of Christ that justifies it. Mohammed, on the other hand, was a killer, a preacher of violence and wrote a book in which it is preached that those who refuse to submit will be killed. So, Hasan, any Catholic preaching the doctrine of "just war" is wrong as Christ would never justify it, but Mohammed taught all his followers to kill, kill, kill. Well, you all do kill and justify it, rightly, on your Koran. When you use violence, the strongest, not necessarily the most moral, often win. On the other hand, those who use reason nonviolently and with an open mind (by definition part of being rational), change minds, not force them to submit. Why are Muslims such cowards that they do not allow evangelism in so-called Moslem countries? Is it because they fear losing converts from among the falsely "submitting." Hasan, learn to think. Read Socrates' Euthyphro. It is a short dialogue written for closed minded dogmatists just like you.

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Poor Hasan. Yes, some Indians who are Hindus eat beef. Oh, horrors! Even Gandhi, a strict vegetarian, said most Hindus are vegetarians not out of belief but because of poverty. I don't know about Moses, because Moses was violent, as is Judaism, but Jesus was nonviolent. What followers do is their business, but no one can justify violence and say he or she believes in Jesus, but Muslims take their violent lead from a violent man, a carnal man, Mohammed. This is not demonization, you are merely setting up a straw man. Stop crying, stand up like a good Muslim man and defend the violence preached by your prophet, and why should peace be unto those who made war. In war, only the strongest win, and too often they are not the good ones. Hasan, poor Hasan, defend your holy book when it orders the killing of nonbelievers. This is not demonization, it is the truth about your hopelessly flawed religion. Why do your people, by the way, fear evangelism? Is it because, when Jesus is compared to Mohammed, Mohammed looks just like any other bloody despot claiming God is on his side? Love your enemy, Hasan. Turn the other cheek. Do good unto those who harm you. But you are Muslim. Well, I have kept you long enough, if you are Sunni, go kill some Shiites and if you are Shiite, go kill some Sunni, just like your bretheren did today in Iraq, in Sudan, in Pakistan... Be less defensive and more thoughtful. Your religious book is finally being revealed for what it is, a violent way proclaimed by a violent man.

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

I do not share the ideas set forth by
Sverigedemokraterna. But Swedish censorship doesn't surprise me. And my heart isn't ripped apart.
Have you ever seen Sweden stand up for anything. I for sure have not. Money talks in Sweden just like always....

S Misra - 2/10/2006

By the way, Hasan, only those with homosexual inclinations who are frightened by them deny they are homosexuals using anti-homosexual hate words like "fags," and you seem obsessed with denying you are one. Hasan, it is time to get to therapy.

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Poor Hasan, Peggy has a mind of her own. Wouldn't you much rather she gave up thinking and simply obeyed a man? I guess you like your women tented, draped, so your weak willpower is protected for you by someone else's degradation. In the U.S., the burning of churches is an individual criminal act, often done by the rare mentally disordered. In your countries, actually colonial creations that now pass themselves off as countries, butchering each other is sport. Muslim Shiites butcher Muslim Sunni and Sunni knife Shiites. Just check today's news from Iraq, Pakistan, or watch some of those manly Afgani Taliban fundamentalists you love so much beat up women because their ankle is showing. My, my, my, you Muslims are so easily lustful. Well, lustful on earth, lustful in heaven, where the especially murderous martyrs get hymens to break. Why only 72? Why not a billion? Why not limitless? Penis breaking hymens a special reward by Allah. Is this your idea of noble?

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Hasan, Hasan, Hasan! There you go quoting English racists again. Don't you feel adequate without referring to English racists like Carlyle? You are a terrorist, like your original post says. But you are cowardly. You will watch others blow up the innocent (today, in Iraq, your Islamic brothers shot an innocent woman in the head near a bombing and shooting spree of theirs), but you will not kill yourself. Why don't you. Why do you cheer from the sidelines. Are you a coward? Never is violence justified, but you are not a philosophical person, merely a cowardly sideline cheerleader. Of course, if violence is, as you have said, occasionally needed, then I can only pray that those who live by the sword, die by it. And, I hate to break this to your ahistorical ears, but Islamic terrorists, yes, all Muslims fit as YOU yourself argue, often simply raped and looted. Conversion was last on their list because converted people have to be treated better, not, for example, taxed more heavily. Islam does not only mean peace, whatever that means to the Koran which preaches violence, or to you, who also preach violence, though you sit safely on the sidelines cheering on your fellow killers. Islam means, literally, resignation, surrender, submission, from the root aslama he resigned or surrendered, related to salima he was safe, and salam, peace. I suggest before you pass on nonsense about the word islam, read carefully a dictionary of etymology (word origins; Chambers Dictionary of Etymology is a good one). I guess you eventually get to peace, but not after the use of force. It is the peace of the conquered, of the beheaded, of the butchered, the silenced, the censored, the threatened, the threatened. I think I prefer Jesus' words. I like my prophets living by example, by peaceful example, not as bloody handed brutes that kidnap and kill innocents. So are you Sunni or Shiite, since between the two, there is only hate? So which one is right? Which one the heretic? Well, Hasan, my friend, when you decide, simply handle it the way you suggested earlier, use violence. It becomes Islam. Don't worry, you'll receive plenty of hymens for your effort.

Fight Back - 2/10/2006

Westerners UNITE and FIGHT! - Our lives are now endangered by the new fascists! They have again risen from hell to attempt to destroy all of Western Civilization (remember what hitler and stalin did to Europe-it is now upon the world again)

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Dear Hasan:

The Koran is flawed. It is violent. It does preach violence against nonbelievers such as Christians and Jews and polytheists. It subjugates women. No amount of your uncritical and unhistorical pseudo reflections will change that. Mohammed was violent. He was a polygamist, at least one of whom was far too young. He was carnal. He compromised with existing elites in the area. His followers are not Muslims, as there is no such creature. There are only Sunni and Shiite, both calling themselves Muslim and both kidnapping, knifing, shooting, bombing, beheading and otherwise brutalizing each other devoutly in the name of Mohammed. I remind you that you Sunni and Shiites are your own worst enemies. Pakistanis murdered 1-3 million fellow lovers of Mohammed in Bengal in the early 1970s and 13 million fled the country. They mercilessly bombed fellow "Muslims" in Western Pakistan.
And, it is idolatry to make visiting the rock in Mecca a lifetime obligation. Sadly, once the Sunni and Shiites make it there, they often tromple each other in senseless stampedes. Your martyrs, homocidal maniacs, get carnal pleasures, breaking multiple hymens in Islamic "heaven," how utterly debased. I am so glad Jesus preached loving the enemy, preached nonviolence throughout his life. Mohammed killed; he has blood on his hands. Followers of a killer cannot be peaceful.

Lemore - 2/10/2006

The socialist Government of Sweden is behind the latest violation of the freedom of speech in the western, so-called free world.
The homepage of the political party “Sverigedemokraterna”(.se), have been
censured/closed down because of the Mohammed cartoons. They showed some of
them, as a matter of fact the only media in Sweden. It has now been edited in order not to upset our “Islamic friends”. This is probably only the tip of the iceberg; we have all witnessed that medias like CNC, NBC, Fox News have informed us of
the Mohammed cartoons, but not actually shown them. Not because it
would be irrelevant, in fact it would be the only decent thing to do, but out of political correctness!
Exactly the same illness Sweden suffers from.

But here we go, the differences between Sweden and Denmark is fundamental.

The tiny, liberal nation of Denmark is making a stance for our 4 freedoms!
Stand by your country, - we are all Danes in this fight!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/10/2006

I gave a specific example my friend. You might agree with me that 9/11 was alqaida's crime, but some people in the Muslim world still believe in conspiracy theories. See this thread:
http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=77860&;bheaders=1#77860

Again, this does not apply to All Muslims but from my experience, it does to a good portion. Not their fault, the fault is in the ambiguity of the Islam. It can be an understanding and tolerant religion (and many Muslims practice it that way), and it can be the most brutal one too.

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Why bother arguing with the deaf? Muslim women are chattel. They live under tents because their men cannot control their libido without it. The person who argues the Jewish Americans weren't there on 9/11 is an anti-Semite. The killers, that is the Muslim faithful, flew the planes into the towers. These Muslims were by and large Saudis. The same Saudis (isn't it enlightened having a country named after one family) preach hate in mosques, in their schools of indoctrination, i.e., madrassas. They are so afraid their religion will fall apart they don't allow evangelism. Pathetic. Islam is a violent religion that kills those who do not follow it. Islam spread slavery in Africa, destroyed Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Sikh, and other art and architecture throughout India, enslaved parts of Europe. They are polygamists. They see martyrdom as rewarded with the breaking of multiple hymens. Utterly degraded. The Koran is violent. The religion will fail once it has to defend itself against superior religions that preach nonviolence such as found in the words of Jesus or Buddha. Backward nations like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and on an on an on have nothing to offer the world. There is no "Islam," just Sunni and Shiite who happily murder each other, as they did just today in Iraq and in Pakistan. They kill each other, what can anyone else expect of these barbarians.

Sune Jensen - 2/10/2006

Is this "Pia" Pia K. MP from DPP the naught woman who wanted a total etnic crearing of muslims. You are not wanted.

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

Hvad tror i selv?

Jeg synes, du har ABSOLUT ret i dine antagelser. Jeg kunne heller ikke drømme om at underskrive.

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Hi "Pia"

Honestly I do not understand what you are talking about. But you starting a thread about DPP getting more support... What is your message?

Who is a hypocrit and why? Haven't you read my posts all over the place? Try to be more specific, I really do not understand your last post...

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

I share your views on this matter. At the same time this is just not good enough. If democrats start boxing instead of speaking our democracy has failed. Our entire educationalsystem in the EU is build upon preparing the next generation to be communicaters and creative thinkers. If we have elements representing absolutism in Europe - which we have - we haven't been doing our jobs good enough. Hearing Freedom of speech being used by extremists makes me wonder, what a monster we might have created. The book "Animal Farm" by George Orwell maybe starting to make sense to me more than ever before...

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

"thank you brother for everything.
"I really like your views on Islam.", actually what i am talkig about are not my views, but they represent ISLAM itself.."

Well Faith this is where reason stops and religion begins. You are saying that your views express an ontological objective reality. I refuse such a thought, because I do not believe in objective absolutes. I know you have no evil intentions, but in the wrong hands statements like the one above can be extremely dangerous. I don't think you have an objective pair of binoculars through which you have a direct access to the Truth. Like the rest of us you have create a "frame of understanding" of what Islam etc. stands for.

Let me illustrate this by quoting a parable of four men and a mountain.

"Once there was a land where God decided to place a tall mountain, covered by forests and filled with rocks and precious minerals. Four men stood on the plain below the mountain and gazed at this gift. One man, a builder, said “What a wonderful gift – look at the forest. We will build many buildings and tall ships from the wood we take from these forests – what a resource just waiting for our taking.” Another man spoke: “What a great sanctuary for our birds, and wild animals. We can preserve forever nature’s gift to us.” And third, the mayor of a town at the base of the mountain cried out: “Oh, the miles of trails for our tourists, and the many beautiful spaces for new apartments – our town can grow and grow and our people will prosper.” The fourth spoke: “This mountain is a divine inspiration. Its crags and snowcovered peaks, its rushing steams and misty slopes, - this great stone reaching up to touch God’s finger – will be a source of inspiration for poets and artists for centuries to come”

How are we to determine which one of these gentlemen are in possesion of the Truth?

Maybe I just haven't figured it out yet....

Thomas - 2/10/2006

Somali-born Dutch MP Ayaan Hirsi Ali who describes herself as a "dissident of Islam" has backed the Danish newspaper (www.jp.dk) that first printed the so-called Mohammad cartoons. Read the copy:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4698528.stm

It is well-known, she is on death roll of several Islamic groups.
Regardless of that, she is fighting on for o u r freedom.

Support her, and support Denmark.

Pia - 2/10/2006

Who is the idiot??You people are hypocrites, you support Jyllands-Posten and the anti-muslims Compaign, on the other side you are against the DKK, whats wrong with DKK?Do you think Rasmussen Government is better, he was the idiot to bring us to this problem.
DO you want to have Denmark as Ghetto of immigrants?
One other point the government has a coalition of right-wing neo-liberals and conservatives, with DKK, so your favorit Partey share the ideology of DKK. Isnt it hypocrite to qualify me as idiot for my freedom to see DKK as the right party against the ISlam-fashism???
No and No Denmark should be intact , We dont want the french or swedish Example.
People dont be ahsame , if the price of freedom is being qualified as xenophobe from others to get outthe muslims of our country, then I dont give a shit, This is how freedom of speech works.

Sarah - 2/10/2006

he wasnt a christian radical! he did not blow up the fed building in the name of jesus!!!! he did it because he hated the us goverment! get your fact straight!

Sarah - 2/10/2006

you are 100% right Muslums want us to understand them but they dont want to understand us!

Sune Jensen - 2/10/2006

Never
Nej
Negen
Non
Never support DPP
Against foreigners

Infidel - 2/10/2006

To the world - PUBLISH MORE CARTOONS - the "great civilization" will martyr itself into oblivion - out of unbridled puerile infantile anger and tantrums and inability to deal with reality of this world; Let them "live" in their "next world" with their "virgins"; let them send themselves to their "paradise"
And - while at it - donate EUROs for homicide-bomber belts to be given away to all who desire to self-obliterate

Ludwig Maximilian - 2/10/2006

In addition to buying danish goods as we have been doing here in Ecuador I suggest to everyone that people also email the danish companies and tell them that they are supporting them. I have written them and they have written back and said that it really makes their day knowing that people around the world are thinking of Denmark and giving danes their business.

Sune Jensen - 2/10/2006

Who is what fool saying that DF / DPP
Danish People Party. Do not elect on that party on next parlementery election. They do not want to integrate muslims in the danish society.

Faith - 2/10/2006

Hello brother

thank you brother for everything.
"I really like your views on Islam.", actually what i am talkig about are not my views, but they represent ISLAM itself.. And i am really sorry if i called others views incorrect.
If you see that i have done a mistake, please tell me about it and i will apologize to them. I am not here to hurt others or to compare between religions, but i am here to join hands with you (In order to understand each other), to befriend you and TO EXCULPATE ISLAM FROM ANY ACCUSATION..

Again i am sorry if i have done a mistake,,
O My Lord Forgive Me

M.T. - 2/10/2006

personal question, how old are you Gary?

Marie (Danish) - 2/10/2006

And that comment was meant for Bus:-)

Marie (Danish) - 2/10/2006

Maybe it's the wrong muslim you are telling this??? Try and read the rest of the text on this particular thread...

Cassie - 2/10/2006

Gary, i have noticed that you use lots of quotes, so can i ask which sites or books you get them from? Also, I am not putting you down in any way, but you may or may not be aware, there are many interpretations of them, so how do you know the one you get your information from is the real version?

reese - 2/10/2006

how can you make a statement and not back it up? you said Allah does not exist? so what are you, an athiest? Allah means God so are you defying there is a God at all? I am not trying to get you to believe in God but I am just trying to understand what you meant. Or perhaps that was just a stab at surprise surprise, Islam again!!

Rio - 2/10/2006

I live in America and I may not be muslim but i can see why the muslims are so upset, i have lost some respect for the Danes. Gary, can I ask you a personal question? How old are you? Quote: "God bless Denmark!!!" do you honestly think the danes have done nothing wrong at all???

hannah - 2/10/2006

Gary, can i ask which quran you're getting your quotes from because there are many interpretations and i would like to see the one you are using for myself

Andrew - 2/10/2006

Quote: "I think the discussion here is against blaming US, and saying thanks for your support! Right? Or did I just turn arab!?"

Im an american jew and i can tell you that this love hate thing between arabs and the USA exists but is not as extreme as it is portrayed. Jokes such as "Or did I just turn arab!?" are not funny but are infact rather degrading on your behalf

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

"I am sure with your help we can get more than 50 % the next election"

I can assure you, that you will never get me help. And to be honest I hope that party won't ever be part of a danish government. They are not helping in relation to integrating the muslims into the danish society. But seems like you could care less. I understand - why should you care - it's only your future my friend.

steph - 2/10/2006

"Muslims want to terrorize its own people and the rest of us."

Where do you get that information from? Do you sit there making these things up? First you all claim that Islam destroys every non muslim now you claim that they kill their own? That is absurd!!

Also quote: "And I am chocked at the western world" Why are you shocked? has it not occurred to you that the west know what they have done is wrong and so are no doubt in fear?

giles - 2/10/2006

Quote: "I want to politely ask you, which version of the Holy Quran does Osama Bin Laden prescribe to?"

Politely ask you? that just takes the piss. Even if she does know, what use is that information to you? would you actually refrain from quoting from the version he uses?

Stef - 2/10/2006

What's the problem ? DR don't dismiss my allegations.

Simon - 2/10/2006

Quote: "It's a fact that the West is superior to the Arab World. You can cut of the Oil. But in the end everyone knows who will loss that battle. If the Arabs don't want to be kicked back into the desert again"

A fact, really? Where may I ask can I refer to your so called 'fact'?

"You can cut off the oil." Really? and what, may I ask will you use instead. The Arab countries are infact the richest and most up to date and modern with everything - not because of people like like yourself or the west but because they have brains and actually work hard. Your reference to the Arab coutnries as a desert is clearly an understatement and only made by someone with ignorance and not much up there. It is because of the Arabs and Asians and their wealth that keeps the country going, so yeah, go ahead, get rid of them and see what sort of state you end up in. God you people have no intelligence, why do you think they were let into the country in the first place? Yes, you will say things like 'oh, to make a better life for themselves..' but the reality is the government knew that the economy needed hard working people with brains which is why they are here and have brought up the economy, without them your the one's who will be lost!!!!

Simon - 2/10/2006

Quote "you do not like what I said and youresort to threats. Not to the discussion, the dialog but to the threats. Is it what you prophet tought you? Shame on both your prophet, you and the likes."

Let's not start judging the religion of Islam because of the people. You have to understand that not all muslims react in this way. I am not saying that what he said was necessarily the correct way to go about it in terms of the foul language used. I am a Christian living in the states and I have many muslim friends, all of whom have lots of respect, even more than those whom I know comes from different faiths and schools of thought. So please do not judge people by what they say, I can understand why this person resorted to the use of foul language, perhaps because its not easy when trying to get a point across when so many have a negative and almost dangerous view towards Islam (whether they have or have not understood the religion).

Stef - 2/10/2006

I don't disagree with you !!! I just said that the danish imams did NOT lie about the cartoons.
I think it's wrong to accuse others of lying. Especially if you want a dialog.
The point of the tour to the M.E., was to get support for there claims of an apology.
But there is also a "hidden agenda". They want everybody in the world to become muslims. they believe That is the purpose of there lifes.

Carol - 2/10/2006

Gary, do you intentionally put down Islam or are you trying to understand the religion because you have no clue?

rinoa - 2/10/2006

thats the thing, they are not 'just some' pictures, then again you do not have the mental capacity to understand, need i bother to explain?

Slater - 2/10/2006

I'd have to agree with Mikkel here..

You're an idiot.

Not much else to say.

bimbo - 2/10/2006

Have you no respect? Go and wash out your mouth with soap!!

Reese - 2/10/2006

"we will simply hold back the millions of dollars that the west provides developing Islamic countries."

Where did you get that information from? The Islamic countries that have not been interfered or 'taken over' by the west are more developed
than any western country will ever be. Baghdad was very modern and beautiful place built from the countries hard work then the west went and bombed it, and now the west claims that Iran has weapons of mass destruction when they don't, besides Israel has had them for so long, so how come no one goes and makes a big deal out of that? Does it not stop and make you think, hang on, theres more to this than meets the eye? The west is clearly afraid of Irans success because they are infact one of the strongest countries in the world

Zahra - 2/10/2006

Well said!! Couldnt have put it better myself!!!

Hayley Marks - 2/10/2006

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Are you reading and understanding or just reading? Gita is part of Mahabharat; indeed, it is the central part. So when I call it violent, by implication all of the Mahabharat is violent. Do you know the meaning of fascist? If provoking thinking is fascist, then you are in for a gloomy future. The Koran, and I do have a copy and have read it, is violent. Mohammed was violent, and lustful, and interested in money. Jesus was none of those things. What followers say and what Jesus or Mohammed says are different things. So one can point to any idiotic site, including many a Muslim site, and create a "straw man" argument. But the founders of the religion can be judged on their words, and, sorry, but the Koran is a second rate violent religion, no different than Judaism or Hinduism. As Socrates says, or have you not read philosophy, violence negates reason. The Koran preaches violence to nonbelievers, among whom are all other religions, including Jews and Christians and Hindus and Sikhs and Jains, and Buddhists (read Max Weber, the sociologists, or have you not read him, that Muslim butchers, I mean the faithful, murdered Buddhist monks first. Sarnath, a Buddhist university, was burnt to the ground and Buddhist temples destroyed), and African animists. Who didn't you kill? All because of a religion that preaches violence. My friend Hasan, I know the truth hurts, but a major principle of thinking people is that if violence is resorted to, only the brutes win. As Gandhi said, the means is the end, or don't you read Gandhi? Again you attack the messenger, not the message. By the way, Islam regularly punishes, tortures, and kills homosexuals. But of course, you kill each other, like in Pakistan today, when more than two dozen Muslims, and there is no true Muslim, just Sunni and Shiite, were killed by other Muslims. And in Iraq, a Shiite cleric was kidnapped. You hate each other, all in the name of the so-called prophet. No where in the Bible, also by the way, does Jesus say adulteresses should be punished. Judaism is like Islam, both violent, both punishing, stoning, whipping, and killing. Jesus never allows for this. Mohammed did and it is in the Koran. Why does it make you uncomfortable that the truth about the Koran is finally coming out? The viciousness of Islam is in the Koran, not just in some "misguided" followers. They are not misguided, they are loyal Muslims. If you don't believe in killing nonbelievers who refuse to convert, you cannot be a Muslim. Read your own Koran, I have. If you were an intellectual, which means a thinking person who is rational hence committed to reason and not violence, you would do as Gandhi did, reject violent tenets of his own religion. As he said, once he used to say God was Truth, and he concluded Truth was God. Truth varies according to the person, that is why nonviolence and words, reason, are better than violence; the means is the end. Try not to react in such a defensive manner. Prove me wrong that Christ, Christians, Jews and nonbelievers who refuse to convert are not condemned by your prophet. You cannot because these quotes are many. So far you have assumed me to be a Hindu, I am not, that I defend Hindu texts, nearly all which promote violence, and I do not. You have assumed I am inciting hate, and mislable me a fascist (the last refuge of the philosophically illiterate), and I am not, and argue Islam is natural, which it is, reflecting what is bestial in man in its prophet, and have confused followers with founders. Is there no mistake you will not repent of? Think. When you think, you win, not me, and if I am wrong, prove it. You cannot because the Koran, which you assume I have not read, but I have, is a violent text. Because of all these weaknesses in your fatally flawed dogmatic judgmental and violent religion, the nations in which your religion exists refuse to allow evangelism, because reason will triumph over irrationality and Jesus is the perfect Messiah and Mohammed is simply wrong. By the way, too, in whatever unenlightened and dark corner of the Muslim world you live in, I could say none of this without being killed. Perhaps it is time to have reciprocity in evangelism. No one from a country that does not allow freedom of religion should be allowed to preach in other nations. If Saudis, and they are the culprits, preach hate and don't allow Christians (and others) to preach in Saudi Arabia, then Saudi preachers should be banned in non-Muslim lands. Fair is fair. Oh, rats, we believe in freedom of religion and don't want to behave like you no matter what because freedom is better than the promise of theocratic slavery. Hasan, wake up. Read. Think. Become nonviolent. And learn to think critically (that means think rationally), and not blindly. Attack the message, not the messenger. Oh, by the way, treat whatever sect of Islam you don't belong to with decency, because until you treat your own sects well, no others can expect decency from you. And stop quoting English racists. Try real philosophers. I highly recommend Socrates in Euthyphro and Crito (that is part of Plato's Republic). Try thinking. It may also provide you with a sense of much needed humor.

Erik Sander - 2/10/2006

Sorry for being late to comment on "hypocrisy.
No, there was no cartoons of Jesus,Buddah or Shiva etc.etc. And why should there have been ?
If fundamentalistic zionists, fanatic hindus, or ditto buddists or shintoists , or even atheists,had threatened the very basis of european, and danish, democracy, the freedom of speech, by using their religion , or lack of, as en excuse
, there would have been cartoons, or something else, in newspapers. For sure.
The JyllandsPosten posten cartoons was NOT a joke or an offense against muslims. It was a defence for the basis for european democracy.
It`s all that easy.
The story starts in Holland, by the murder of Theo van Gogh, in the name of Islam.
Erik Sander

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

You are an idiot! If you have anything to say why don't you say it?

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

It seems as though you are a reasonable person Faith. I only have one problem with your views and that is the fact that you are saying that there is a right and a wrong way to read The Holy Quran. I find that to be very arrogant. I really like your views on Islam. But trying to make others understand by calling their views incorrect is not a way I would follow.

Like Nietzsche once said:

Follow the man seeking answers, flee from the man who says he knows them all.

I do on the other hand think that an open discussion of how The Quran is to be interpreted is a very good idear.

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Svensk: Obiously you do not know why the article was printed. Please read the articles on the subject on www.jp.dk or www.politiken.dk or www.berlingske.dk or www.dr.dk to get your facts straight! It's absurd for me to hear from a Swede that Danish are racist. I do not know where you get it from. The political scene is focusing on immigration because it is an important issue for Danes (of any religion, color or weight). Discussing the problems of immigration is not a crime or racist! Actually we are now experiencing a fantastic phenomenon that muslims in Denmark are joining together to be an alternative to the ekstremist that the press is focusing on all the time. This will create a complete new view of muslims in denmark (in the press, towards the government and public debat) because now a positive focus will be towards the moderate muslims (the large majority) which was not there before. Do you have such an initiative in sweden? ;)

Before the government was meeting with the imams to discuss integration, now they will instead focus on the lage majority of moderate muslims. I think that is the best initiative that has been made for years!

Pia - 2/10/2006

I call all the danes to support the "Dansk Folkeparti" and vote for them in order to get the hell out all the muslims of our country. We gor 18% last election, I am sure with your help we can get more than 50 % the next election

Tim - 2/10/2006

Until you can work out your sense of humore Gary. When you insult people , you should expect that you may get insulted. The good point is that you know how is to get the feeling hurted. I hope it was a good exercise for you:)

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/10/2006

I respect you're reply; you at least appear to be thinking.

"Isn't the European peoples belief in democracy absolute?"
~ I'd reckon not, taking stock of communists, fascists, liberals, conservatives, democrats, demagogues, etc. Such a mix of pluralism, dissonance and compromise wouldn't constitute homogeneous belief, let alone an absolute one. Perhaps I mistook your question.

"What's the difference between believing in democracy Absolute and believing in Islam Absolute?"
~ My take is that neither constitutes an "Absolute"; each embodies a range of interpretations and subgroupings. Restricting the question then to the difference between democracy and Islam: that one strikes my as an apples and oranges sort of thing.

I do admire your call to stop the blame and act constructively. My concern rests with what I'd term the element of absolutism, namely those (on both sides) incapable of adaptive, reflective thinking. They already have all the answers, whether derived from holy books or comic books. Moreover, they tend to get nasty when people disagree with, or suggest alternatives to their rigid thinking. Boxing is all they know.

Soren - 2/10/2006

as a dane i am very happy for the support from american people, though i am disapointed by the american media.

If any of you choose to travel to Denmark, i can assure you that the danes will welcome all of you. It is hard times for a small liberal country, but we stand firm by our values, the same values as do the american people: Liberty and freedom for all. We dont think that we should be submissed´to the values of a foreign religion or country, so we stand proud and tall against this unreasonable treat from old-fashioned religions and dictatorsships.

The funny thing is, that because of there backwards regimes, the economy of those muslim countries are nothing that really can harm a small rich and liberal country as ours, and if just a few more people in the west buy danish (the taste of freedom, i like that :-) ), we would have a big surplus in the end.

thank you all for the support.

In common fight for democracy, liberty, freedom and human rights.

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Jeg må indrømme at jeg får en dårlig smag i munden når jeg ser på alle de virksomheder som undskylder og siger de ikke støtter retten til at bringe tegningerne (eller synes det var en dårlig idé). Se bare Novo Nordisk, Arla eller ham som fik en stor kontrakt i Indonesien vedr. solceller. De skal svare på om de er på den ene eller den andens side!!! Det disse underskriftindsamlinger støtter er at man ved døren bliver spurgt om hvilken religion, hudfarve, vægt, eller what ever man tilhører og så bliver man ellers siet fra hvis det ikke passer dørmanden. Føj siger jeg bare! Jeg vil ikke have at min personlige overbevisning skal spørges til før jeg bliver tilbudt at købe en vare, men det er der åbentbart mange tusinder danskere der gerne vil støtte... Værsgo siger jeg bare. Lad os endelig alle få forskellige mærker på tøjet, a la jøderne der fik stjerne på sig i Tyskland... Hvad tror i selv?

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Stef: Then argue with me on this one. Do you think it is appropriate for a representation of muslims in Denmark to claim they represent more than 200.000 muslims in dk, when they do not? (Most normal people regard this as being very shameful). Do you think it is appropriate that, when given the chance to present the drawings to some of the highest members of the middle east muslim community, to bring a long a picture that somebody got in the mail? One person got a nasty mail... Hello! Are you there, Stef? I would like to see what the high members would do if they saw some of the death threats that Naser Khader gets from other muslims “brothers” in Denmark...

Stef, understand that when you represent people, you should never judge or give the impression that single events can be generalized.

Stef: Answer me this as well, what was the point of the "tour de M.E."?

hasan - 2/10/2006

You look confused. if this is the case then hindu scriptures are full of violence. what is mahabharat? you are trying hard to provoke christians against muslims in a rather facsist manner. I think you have'nt read the quran or the bible. You pick a one liner from here and there and start shouting. If you read the bible you will find the prescriptions for adultry. your tone is quite bitter and violent you are not a muslim so how come you became so violent. Let me make life easier for you go and check this link:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/

S Misra - 2/10/2006

First, I am a Christian. Not a Hindu, another violent religion; simply reading the Gita or the Ramayana will confirm that. There is nothing admirable about a caste system. So your fatuous attempt to criticize by attacking the source, not the argument, a really basic error in logic, is a failure. Second, why on earth are you quoting that racist Carlyle? Whereas the Pope apologized for the Crusades, no Muslim has ever apologized for their brutalities. Are you ignorant of the book you say you love, the Koran? It says Jesus was a blasphemer, quite clearly. It denies the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It attacks Jews. On what planet is your religion nonviolent? Of course, your violence has as its main nest your own lands, where you kill each other with a joyful abandon, bombing and shooting your way into Sunni and Shiite mosques, murdering each other at each other's funerals, and generally being, therefore, close and faithful followers of your own Koran. You fear debate, so you ban evangelism in your backward dictatorships. You tromple each other in your holy pilgrimages. You sit quietly as civilians are murdered and are joyful in your anti-Semitism. You are, last of all, utter idolaters, making visits to Mecca an obligation, making every mention of Mohammed's name followed by what the Bible calls "vain repetitions." By the way, no one justifies mistreatment of women. But Islam has polygamy. It rewards murderers with multiple virgins in Heaven, as if breaking multiple hymens is a wonderful holy reward. Mohammed killed nonbelievers. Might does not make right. Try hard, this time, my illogical friend, to respond to my words and not be so foolish as to commit basic errors in logic by attacking who I am, but wait, that is what you Muslims do best, kill messengers you don't like. I have not even quoted the nasty anti-Jesus and anti-Christian and anti-Jewish words of your violent natural book. Lots of things are natural that are repulsive.

S Misra - 2/10/2006

What utter nonsense! Jesus was nonviolent and Mohammed was violent. Only a person who has not read either the four gospels or the Koran can argue such mind numbing nonsense. Just one example: The Koran prescribes beatings for adultery, especially for the woman; Jesus forgives. Mohammed wrote a violent document, Jesus did not. The end. Don't believe me, read it.

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

"problem comes when hardliners jump in from both sides. but this does not give anyone a right to mock at each others religion and that is all i ask."

I don't think that anyone has the right to mock on another child of this world. Therefore we must at all times stand side by side and make a stands whenever someone tries to mock on anothher.

In the West we are living in a postmodern world which consists of multiple realities. There is no longer one true linse through which the world can be interpreted (that was by the way also the reason why I asked you to interpret the lines above - due to the fact that maybe we were reading the exact same lines with very different glasses.

We have become very individualistic in the West and it has in some ways shown us a way to be open towards new idears. We are in a situation where we have to create even our selves. Nothing is per tradition a truth. Not even our identities or God for that sake.

The only single truth I think we have left is this:

Churchill's famous dictum: "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time."

See even democracy isn't holy afterall. We are allowed to critize it. And I think that if we stopped critizing our democracy it would die. Democracy would not be able to keep up with time. And other forms of governments would prevail. Do you think that maybe Islam can keep up with this era of globalization if it keeps on being considered blasphemy by muslims to critizise Islam?

S Misra - 2/10/2006

I say they should imitate the Greek dictators such as in the novel Z, including ban the evil Micky Mouse for living in sin with Minnie. Donald Duck goes bottomless!!! The degradation of advanced nations is unbelievable! Why can't they just be more like Islamic nations, paragons of virtue like Indonesia, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia and so on. There, women are chattel and Muslim men have true freedom, the freedom, as seen today in the papers, of bombing each other's mosques and kidnapping each other's religious leaders, kidnapping and beheading civilians and having as their most advanced universities those that teach the freedom to hate and kill, according to the Koran (and yes, a faithful reading of that book can convince anyone intent on "toleration" of intolerance that some religions are simply violent). Again, Muslims, try harder: BAN MICKY, MINNIE, and DONALD. Then, like the novel, ban any letter the begins the word "Freedom," just like China bans searches of "freedom" and "Tibet" on their "internet." Now there's an enlightened example. The only mistake Islamofascists are making is that they don't bill the family of the murdered for the bullet. Think! Some time is spent, and resources, manually beheading a civilian. Charge by the hour. Threaten death for nonpayment! Well, that's my fastest imitation of "A Modest Proposal."

S Misra - 2/10/2006

Yikes!!! But of course, that is exactly what they did in India. One only read not only history (Max Weber, Wells, Durants, Joseph Campbell), but their own court historians. In Africa, they were the first ones to establish an huge slavery network, long before the slave trade to the new world. Which makes me wonder why on earth Black Muslims think Islam is their friend!!
We can expect nothing of these barbarians, other than the burning of libraries, destruction of artwork not to their liking, subjection of women, draconian Islamic laws, after all, see how they kill each other, Sunni and Shiite. Islam is violent, a faithful reading of the Koran verifies it.

Bus - 2/10/2006

From the most credible, (semi-left) TV-station in denmark - Go read Stef:

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2006/02/07/201343.htm

hasan - 2/10/2006

do you even know the meaning of infidel?

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Well quoting the koran or other bibles will not do anything. Taken out of context every line could be twisted. Therefore stop all these quotations, they lead nowhere!

But I have to say that I find the thought of not condemning others an interesting subject. To me that is the core of the problem in Islam today. Extremists are controlling all media because of their actions and the vast majority of muslims do not condemn their actions out of upbringing or fear. Whatever the reason, it is why the west does not seem to like muslims, because, where's the voice of the big majority of muslims in the west? In Denmark something has happend that is almost a miracle! The before “silent” majority have now formed an association what is called the "Moderate muslims". This as a direct opposition to muslim extremists. This is the first time this has happened in this magnitude in Denmark, and this is what was needed to further the integration of muslims. It's been missed for the last 20-30 years!

So to "HEBA" and all the other muslims out there. Not giving the muslim extremists a “moderate muslim” opposition is a big mistake - especially in terms of integration. It has ruined Danes view of the positive aspects of integration and only moderate muslims can patch that gap.

Being a pacifist in company with an ekstremist only lead one way ;)...

Anni - 2/10/2006

To Othman

U say this further up.
Yes I did unfortunately and I saw them even before they published,

I can only say that the only way U might have seen those is if U work for JyllandsPosten.
Because they dont let their toons be published before they are in the paper.

But another thing I have been wondering. And this goes out to all.
WHY does this reaction first come now? The cartoons came in Sep. 2005 and the reaction is first now. AFTER the Imam's have been traveling around and showing false pictures and yesterday it came out that the photo that they have with a man with a pig nose is from a event in south France, a pig festival - in vich U have to sound like a pig and U can win a prize.

I just wonder.. Why now? Why not when the toons was published?

Bus - 2/10/2006

Then stop burningn the danish flag - stop burning the cross, hipocrite infidels!

The level of double standards from the muslims is amazing!

hasan - 2/10/2006

"If you are an honorable father, and your son is killing people, you turn him in." Is it really possible. Dont one loose control of children after 14-16 etc. The father son example was in context of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his followers. Had he (prophet (pbuh)) been alive today we would have been a different nation altogether. That's why one cannot blame Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his teachings if one finds a muslim breaking the law and same holds for christians and jews.

hasan - 2/10/2006

Exactly! problem comes when hardliners jump in from both sides. but this does not give anyone a right to mock at each others religion and that is all i ask. Further, if you read my response to marie you may be ale to understand better why muslims behave in a certain manner.

hasan - 2/10/2006

thanx marie for understanding...I know there are elements on both sides who for their own motive would keep on creating issues resulting in turmoil and utter chaos. On our side it is much political than religious. These are the elements you see creating unrest but that does not mean that muslims are not angry its just that these elements take advantage of circumstances. You are right about the We part and that can only come if a strong sense of nationalism is built without prejudices. I have seen alot of comments depicting how muslims should live their lives and how they should be better off leaving their religion...its not the religion that is the problem its infact the lack of understanding of islam amongst muslims is the problem. We are governed by age old customs like in africa they perform female circumcision which unfortunately Ms hirsi ali fell a victim to...you cannot blame islam for this. It is because most muslims are converted and during this transformation we bring forward and inherit our old and demonizing customs. Would you believe that I only came to know of female circumcision after reading the story of Ayaan Hirsi Ali. There is a difference between east and the rest of the world irrespective of the religion. East may comprise of muslims, hindus and sikhs. We are more emotions, sentiments and feelings with strong family ties and relationships and others, well you are the best judge. That is why you had seen these intense reactions...flowing emotions...

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Oops! My comment to Hasan got posted above, sorry for that. Please look above for it ;)

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

Do you appreciate the distinction between relativism and absolutism?

As a postmodernist I very much appreciate this distinction. But let me challenge your beliefs - since no muslim has done it in this thread so far. Isn't the Eupean peoples beliefs in democracy Absolute. By absolute I mean what's the difference between believing in democracy Absolute and believing in Islam Absolute? How are we to say which one of these beliefs is better than the other. I surely cannot. Therefore instead of boxing - maybe it's time to open our minds. And maybe it's time to think creative. At the moment most of the people of this world are discussing who is to blame -who is the quilty part - but this discussion really isn't going to solve anything. We have to stop this discussion and move on to solving the problem. Stop boxing! Start thinking!

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Hasan: I really am glad I am not a muslim every time I see a fellow muslim claim that they are part of a weak group... I would be mad and ashamed if somebody called me weak. Every person in Denmark, regardles of sex, religion, complex, political belonging, is paid buy the Danish goverment to study. To take a higher degree. Denmark, is this way making sure that nobody (I'm sure you can find examples of individuals that got caught in the system) can say that they did not have a chance and that nobody is weak unless they are ill (in which most treatment is free in Denmark) or purposly choosing to be in a weak group (drug addict, homeless etc.).

Shame on you Hasan! You yourself have choosen to be weak, do not drag others down with you in the name of religion.
I know plenty of strong, independent muslims that would be offended by what you are trying to do. Making muslims in Dk to appear like victims...

Mikkel Pind - 2/10/2006

Good point Thomas. The number of votes I was referring to, was the municipal elections, and really, 70 votes in the county you expect the most?? That's pathetic ;=)

Kim - 2/10/2006

Don´t say sorry to him. He wouldn´t say sorry to you. Just leave the poor fellow alone. His just a sad little muslim who wishes to be martyr. Viva la France. Long live the Queen.

Kim - 2/10/2006

Ha ha.. Du er da godt nok en latterlig svensker... I har måske ikke problemer med invandrere? Du er så selv højtideligt det er til at brække sig over. Anders Fogh gjorde det rigtige. Vi i DANMARK vil ALDRIG lade os blive presset af andre til at imødekomme ønsker som ikke gavner vore land. Hvis du elsker dem så meget. Så tag du ned til mellemøsten nu! De vil lynche dig med det samme!!! Vi er alle sammen om det her, du har tydeligt meldt dig ud af fælleskabet. Sverige er et sted hvor Danmark var for 10 år siden. Glæder mig til at se om 10 år når statestikkerne viser ledighed og kriminalitet muslimer står for det meste målt i størrelses forhold!! Du må også have det bra. Prøv og sig til en dansk pige din holdning. Det eneste du får er et nej. Hyg dig med dit svensker hår. Bums.

Kim - 2/10/2006

Javed... Hmmm... Come to Denmark then and give us all a big fuck. Maybe we all should try being Muslims then. You say fuck to me, I bet the crap out of you, and take your head as trophy. I will videotape, when I cut of your head and then put it out on the internet. You guys talk about respect and so on. But the truth is, you don´t respect anyone but yourself and Islam. It´s just some fucking drawings. It´s not alright to draw Muhammed, but I have seen pictures of him in learning books about Islam. I guees that´s allright then??? I am a buddhist. You can draw Buddha and all others as much as you want. If I don´t aprove I just wont SEE!!! The Imams in Denmark should go back home where they came from. And so should all muslims who can´t respect human rights and freedom speech. You can bad mouth all you want. Muslims countries are not knowed as Human rights countries and freedom speech. The most muslims came to Denmark because of human rights. If you don´t like the smell in the bakery, then leave. No one is forcin´ you to stay in Denmark. Ohhh right velfare money. Make me puke, why don´t ya. I´ve growned up with muslims. I lived in a muslim ghetto. We are all friends. But one day one guy I knew for 16 years attacked me with 9 other Arabs because a girl wanted me and not him. What a friend. I kicked his ass and 4 others before they got me. I broke some ribs, but what satisfaction when I saw tears in his eyes. He KNEW it was wrong. He knew this was a fucked up thing to do. I haven´t seen him for 5 years. People tell me his in prison. Did you know about 50 % of all illegal activity in Denmark is caused by other etnic than danish (MUSLIMS). Hmm.. It must be the way the raise their childrens. Men are gods. Women are SLAVES. I know all of this. I have seen a boy 14 years old, coming home from school. His big sister was forced to wash his feet and make him food. He asked me if I wanted the same to. I toke my things and left. Peace in the world. Peace in Denmark. Islam is EVIL in my eyes. Your not allowed anything. Islam kills innocent women and sometimes also men. Stay in the middle east. Kill each others. But leave us out. Don´t come and wreck the world.

Kim

Gary - 2/10/2006

Quote: "The sad irony is that no political entity "Palestine", governed by "Palestinians" has ever existed (check your history)..."

You are quite correct. In ancient times, this land was occupied by the Philistines. They were NOT Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection with Arabia or Arabs. They were made up of migrant "Sea Peoples" who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it "Palastina".

Pomerol - 2/10/2006

"its like a dad who thinks he knows it all and he's mr. perfect wants his son to be an exact copy of him. Aren't you guys demanding the same from muslims ?"

You may be right. The West is trying to sell democracy to the ME. At the same time Muslims in the Me are trying to sell Islam to the West. Nor the West or The ME have been successful primarily because we are playing different drums. Drums that can only be heard within our own societies. I think muslims can be muslims and democrats at the same time. In Denmark well-educated muslims just started a new movement for moderate muslims due to the fact that they have been practicing this way of life for years. And they don't want to be represented by the danish Imams. We don't ask muslims in Denmark to give up their religion - we are actually asking muslims to come on board the boat and execise their religion within a democracy with equal rights for all.

Gary - 2/10/2006

Not all Havarti cheese is imported from Denmark. Some Arla cheese products are from Arla Foods in New Jersey. Read the label before you buy.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/10/2006

Does any other Muslim in this Forum believe this conspiracy theory like the brainwashed one in the below thread?

http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=78197&;bheaders=1#78197

oh, ok, I get it, so those who were in the London protests defending Prophet Mohammad with "Europe, Your 9/11 is coming soon" signs were actually Jews.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/10/2006

I like your father/son example. If the son does not follow the father's teachings, then he is a bad son. If you are an honorable father, and your son is killing people, you turn him in.

Muslims are not turning in those "handful" of "lost souls".

From all I am seeing in the news, on Arabic web sites, and from my long stay in the Muslim world, at least 60% of Muslims support their cause.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/10/2006

Shrine? :p

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/10/2006

"I have been reading lots of posts on this board ..."

My, oh my.

Do you appreciate the distinction between relativism and absolutism? As a crude example: a relativist would claim that Country music is good while Jazz is better (or vice versa). An absolutist would say "All that other stuff is crap. Only Country music is real music."

You appear to labour under the impression that the dispute played out in this forum is solely that between relativists; hence your hopeful appeal to "symmetry of viewpoint" if each admits some flexibility.

There are however absolutists in the midst. If you know how to sway their views my friend, you have just solved the problem of the ages.

Stef - 2/10/2006

I just said "The danish imams didn't lie". And I'm right !!
Thank you for understanding that :o) There is still hope for you ;o)
I don't accept there propaganda, as well as I don't accept the danish folkpartys propaganda. But thats the way danish politic are going.
Mogens Glistrup and Pia K has really made a different.

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/10/2006

While it's a stretch, one *could* acknowledge that these people (er, children) yearn to sacrifice themselves for their "homeland".

The sad irony is that no political entity "Palestine", governed by "Palestinians" has ever existed (check your history). Moreover, the jews (not that I'm a big fan) 'occupied' the area to times predating the conception of islam itself.

Again, not meaning to defend either party (they should all relinquish their "rights" and just irrigate the god-forsaken place!) the pathos of this story is palpable.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/10/2006

Here is the corrected above from the above post:

http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=hzy6rsbab.0.r8rassbab.r4r4qyn6.2131&;p=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fdl2dm

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/10/2006

Here is another movie (25 minutes):

http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_AFD.asx

Gary - 2/10/2006

Hello again Faith,
once again I thank you for your kind words. I have a sincere feeling that you are a kind and loving person. If more folks had your kindness and love in their hearts (Christians, Jews and Muslims), I am sure we would all be living in peace, and we would all be brothers and sisters in this world. May Allah BLESS YOU eternally.

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/9/2006

It's pretty clear. The poor man was so confused by religion generally, he stopped thinking altogether and adopted islam.

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/9/2006

Ho boy, Hasan ... this went right over your head, no offence.

Please read Mikkel's comments over and over and over and over again till they make sense. It will eventually.
Entire societies are based on the wisdoms he has expressed, so don't hurry yourself.

- 2/9/2006

Well said!!

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/9/2006

A bit of Googling (well maybe not, since their sellout to china) should reveal considerable commentary to the contrary, namely that the islamic faith is losing followers.

But more poignantly, there was a telling BBC report sometime back (before or after the recent invasion I cannot recall) of an incident in Karbala. It is host to one of Shiism's holiset shrines. That said, rival Shia groups fought "running gun battles" (not my quote) over who should retain control over the holy shrine there.

"Holy Sh.." indeed!

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/9/2006

"if this is the case then USA is by all means the BIGGEST TERRORIST. all the past christians ... I can give a long list of such former terrorists ... but what do u care ..."

I care - show us your list. It is a comparative list, of course? You do know what that means: you are obliged to list all plausible acts of terrorism by all groups, presumably over the timeframe you've offered us (since the advent of christianity) just to cull the dataset by which your judgement of "biggest terrorist" is based. That's some list!

We eagerly await this start to your scholarly findings.

Gary - 2/9/2006

"In Karbala and elsewhere, marchers dressed in black, slapped chains across their backs until their clothes were soaked with blood. Others beat their heads with the flat side of long swords and knives until blood ran freely in a ritual banned under ousted leader Saddam Hussein, a Sunni."

"Although it is a sad day, I am very happy because I took part in these head-beating processions," said 10-year-old Haider Abbas Salim, whose face was covered in blood. "Imam Hussein's martyrdom teaches us manhood and that we shouldn't fear anything."

They say that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world (including USA). Will we all be doing this in 10 years?

Klaus - 2/9/2006

Thanks friends

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/9/2006

I've literally got a Tuborg in hand rihgt now (hence the misspelling!).

"Faxe" is also something I've been buying lately.

Pedro Marcos - 2/9/2006

There is something fresh in the Kingdom of Denmark!

Carlsberg never tasted better...

Denmark is not alone.

Pedro Marcos (Portugal)

Christian the Dane - 2/9/2006

Dear Mr. Akine.
Please notice my polite tone when I say that I deeply disagree with You. The last weeks violence against danish national property - together with Your tone in this debate - shows a lot more about You than it does about us.
You were talking about begging. Allow me to present a few facts to You: In the whole world, there are THREE nations, that fulfill the UN charter about supporting the less devellopped part of the world. Denmark is one of the three. NONE of the muslim rich countries comes even close to this goal. So, Mr. Akim, Denmark is not begging. Denmark is supporting poor people of the world. Muslims, christians or buddhists...
Let me ask you a question, mr. Akine. For a little more than a year ago, my country, Denmark, stood completely alone against Russia. Mr. Putin were threatening Denmark seriously, because the exile parliament of tjetjeny was having a meeting in Copenhagen. This muslim group of politicians was procected by our pinciples of free expression. Where were You at that time Mr. Akine? I must say that it looks a bit hipocratic to me.
Let me ask You another question Mr. Akine: What do you actually know about these cartoons? Have You seen them?
How can You - seriously - protest against something You havent seen?
I'm asking You for a reason: A group of Danish Imams has presented false drawings on their round-trip in the muslim world. Drawings, that was not even made in Denmark, printed from the internet. The person in the pictures was french. He had NOthin to do with Your prophet. He was used by Imams to insult Denmark.
We have a saying in Denmark: Every time You point a finger towards somebody - three of Your fingers are pointing back at You.
Mr. Akine: I garantee You - You will never break Denmark. We are a small nation, only 5 millions. But as you see - we are all over the world. - our ships are sailing the oceans. Our doctors are in front line fighting diseases. What about Yours, mr. Akine?

Gary - 2/9/2006

Quote: "Jesus is not at all like Muhammed. Mohammed was violent, lived violently, was earthly, had a job, a wife..."

This is a very good point. Muslims go out of their way pointing out that they accept Moses and Jesus as prophets. However, this contradicts their own Koran regarding the nature of a prophet:

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

Marie (Danish) - 2/9/2006

I support those lines, and I do understand your second comment too - and if all the different drummers could just find together in a chord the world would be a much nicer place to live in!

The main problem with this whole thing is, I think, that the whole situation escalated out of the hands of those who actually - despite som disagreements - wanted to 'play together' and those who saw the opportunity to exploit it for their own personal and more or less fascist purposes - those who only wanted/wants to hear their own instrument on the expense of the rest of the orchestra.

Even married people deeply in love have their quarrels, which can be helpful to clear out some misunderstandings and develop the relationship - even though the marriage is a sacred institution. But the way not to break the marriage is to hear the other one's sayings and move on a little wiser on both your self and your partner - not just to slam the loudest on your drum to drown the sound of the other (to return to your headline metaphor).
The groups of muslims who are burning flags and embassies, stating death warrants etc. are doing just that (and I do know that it is a 'small' group of muslims who are doing this, but their drumming is drowning the sound of everyone else at the moment, and that is what makes this whole situation so tragic and deadlocked).

You write that "europe wants muslims to live, think and behave like them" - But Europe is ALSO muslims (as well as christians, jews, hinduists etc. etc.), and part of this problem (and the solving of it) is maybe that people (in both camps) tend to constantly distinguish between 'them' and 'us', which will lead no one nowhere...

What if everybody started using the WE-term instead? What if WE started to aknowledge ourselves as a larger global-human project where WE may have our differences and may have our quarrels but address one antoher through dialogue and thereby clear out the misunderstandings and develop OUR relationship?

- who knows, maybe then even the violins will set in;-)

Gary - 2/9/2006

Tim, hopefully this has been a good exercise for you. In a few more years after you have grown up a bit, you will choose your comments more carefully.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/9/2006

Hi Steve, and welcome as supporter. Thanks for your support, we danish have missed the british voice in this case. But I glad you support us...tell all your friend to do the same...The british humor I would'nt be without...

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/9/2006

I think I missed the point????? sorry

Tom - 2/9/2006

hasan, I care. Don't take me wrong, I don't think that all muslim are terrorists. I did also not understand the clip as an 'ALL muslims are terrorists' clip. Did you?

Thanks,

hasan - 2/9/2006

if this is the case then USA is by all means the BIGGEST TERRORIST. all the past christians who have been instigating terror upon general public dont make the ENTIRE christian community labelled as terrorist. I can give a long list of such former terrorists... but what do u care ...

Tom - 2/9/2006

It will work if you copy the link in to your Internet Explorer. When you have copy the WHOLE link in to your Internet Explorer, find the --> ; <--and delete the ; . The it will work.
Hope you understand what I mean :o).

realitybites - 2/9/2006

"Jyllands Posten are going to publish cartoons of Jesus in a few days. I then expect to see the same kind of protests from the muslim world, or your words are bullshit. But let's see what happens. I don't think they gonna be THAT angry."

Do you really want us to interfere in your religious matters. Haven't the muslims heard enough from christians that we interfere in telling them what's wrong and what's right. Can't you judge our intentions by just one fact alone....

WE DID NOT RETALIATE BY MAKING COMIC BOOKS ON JESUS OR MOSES...IRAN MAY HAVE RETALIATED THROUGH HOLOCAUST SERIES...WE CAN BE FAR MORE CREATIVE BUT WE ARE BOUND BY OUR RELIGION. AND THAT IS OUR COMMITMENT TOWARDS JESUS AND ALL MESSENGERS OF GOD. WE DON'T EVEN LIKE THE MOLDED STATUES OF JESUS SHOWING BARE FLESH ON A CROSS; TO US THAT IS AN INSULT TO JESUS...BUT WE HAVEN'T TOLD YOU NOT TO...IF CHRISTIANS WANT MUSLIMS TO OPINE ALL U NEED TO DO IS ASK!

hasan - 2/9/2006

"Gary! You are missing the point of the JP article completely! It was to address the issue of a situation in Denmark which artist were afraid for their own safety." So this means you can do whatever you like to the weak. Its a lame argument. It seems you guys are just arguing for the sake of it.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/9/2006

Muslims don't respect the cross because they claim that Jesus was not crucified!
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-judas.htm

When I lived in the Muslim world, my friends would break off the cross from the "king" piece in a chess set:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6f/ChessSet.jpg/250px-ChessSet.jpg

One time, a very close friend of mine was passing through Saudi Arabia, and the immigration officer kept his family on the border for three hours while hundreds of cars passed by. When his father asked the officer if there was something wrong with their visas/passports, the officer said, NO, but your son is wearing the symbol of the Kuffar (infidels). He was wearing a cross. He only let them pass after my friend took it off.

ukmuslim - 2/9/2006

Abdu'l-Ahad Dawud is the former Rev. David Abdu Benjamin Keldani, B.D., a Roman Catholic priest of the Uniate-Chaldean sect. He was born in 1867 at Urmia in Persia; educated from his early infancy in that town. From 1886-89 he was on the teaching staff of the Archbishop of Canterbury's Mission to the Assyrian (Nestorian) Christians at Urmia. In 1892 he was sent by Cardinal Vaughan to Rome, where he underwent a course of philosophical and theological studies at the Propaganda Fide College, and in 1895 was ordained Priest. In 1892 Professor Dawud contributed a series of articles to The Tablet on "Assyria, Rome and Canterbury"; and also to the Irish Record on the "Authenticity of the Pentateuch." He has several translations of the Ave Maria in different languages, published in the illustrated Catholic Missions. While in Constantinople on his way to Persia in 1895, he contributed a long series of articles in English and French to the daily paper, published there under the name of The Levant Herald, on "Eastern Churches." In 1895 he joined the French Lazarist Mission at Urmia, and published for the first time in the history of that Mission a periodical in the vernacular Syriac called Qala-La-Shara, i.e. "The Voice of Truth." In 1897 he was delegated by two Uniate-Chaldean Arch- bishops of Urmia and of Salmas to represent the Eastern Catholics at the Eucharistic Congress held at Paray-le-Monial in France under the presidency of Cardinal Perraud. This was, of course, an official invitation. The paper read at the Congress by "Father Benjamin" was published in the Annals of the Eucharistic Congress, called "Le Pellerin" of that year. In this paper, the Chaldean Arch-Priest (that being his official title) deplored the Catholic system of education among the Nestorians.

In 1888 Father Benjamin was back again in Persia. In his native village, Digala, about a mile from the town, he opened a school. The next year he was sent by the Ecclesiastical authorities to take charge of the diocese of Salmas, where a sharp and scandalous conflict between the Uniate Archbishop, Khudabash, and the Lazarist Fathers for a long time had been menacing a schism. On the day of New Year 1900, Father Benjamin preached his last and memorable sermon to a large congregation, including many non-Catholic Armenians and others in the Cathedral of St. George's Khorovabad, Salmas. The preacher's subject was "New Century and New Men." He recalled the fact that the Nestorian Missionaries, before the appearance of Islam, namely "submission" to God, had preached the Gospel in all Asia; that they had numerous establishments in India (especially at the Malabar Coast), in Tartary, China and Mongolia; and that they translated the Gospel to the Turkish Uighurs and in other languages; that the Catholic, American and Anglican Missions, in spite of the little good they had done to the Assyro- Chaldean nation in the way of preliminary education, had split the nation - already a handful in Persia, Kurdistan and Mesopotamia into numerous hostile sects; and that their efforts were destined to bring about the final collapse. Con- sequently he advised the natives to make some sacrifices in order to stand upon their own legs like men, and not to depend upon the foreign missions, etc.

The preacher was perfectly right in principle; but his remarks were unfavorable to the interests of the Lord's Missionaries. This sermon hastily brought the Apostolique Delegate, Mgr. Lesne, from Urmia to Salmas. He remained to the last a friend of Father Benjamin. They both returned to Urmia. A new Russian Mission had already been estab- lished in Urmia since 1899. The Nestorians were enthu- siastically embracing the religion of the "holy" Tsar of All Russias!

Five big and ostentatious missions, Americans, Anglicans, French, Germans and Russians with their colleges, press backed up by rich religious societies, Consuls and Ambassadors, were endeavoring to convert about one hundred thousand Assyro-Chaldeans from Nestorian heresy unto one or another of the five heresies. But the Russian Mission soon outstripped the others, and it was this mission which in 1915 pushed or forced the Assyrians of Persia, as well as the mountaineer tribes of Kurdistan, who had then immigrated into the plains of Salmas and Urmia, to take up arms against their respective Governments. The result was that half of his people perished in the war and the rest expelled from their native lands.

The great question which for a long time had been working its solution in the mind of this priest was now approaching its climax. Was Christianity, with all its multi- tudinous shapes and colors, and with its unauthentic, spurious and corrupted Scriptures, the true Religion of God? In the summer of 1900 he retired to his small villa in the middle of vineyards near the celebrated fountain of Chali- Boulaghi in Digala, and there for a month spent his time in prayer and meditation, reading over and over the Scriptures in their original texts. The crisis ended in a formal resigna- tion sent in to the Uniate Archbishop of Urmia, in which he frankly explained to (Mgr.) Touma Audu the reasons for abandoning his sacerdotal functions. All attempts made by the ecclesiastical authorities to withdraw his decision were of no avail. There was no personal quarrel or dispute between Father Benjamin and his superiors; it was all ques- tion of conscience.

For several months Mr. Dawud, as he was now called, was employed in Tabriz as Inspector in the Persian Service of Posts and Customs under the Belgian experts. Then he was taken into the service of the Crown Prince Muhammad 'Ali Mirza as teacher and translator. It was in 1903 that he again visited England and there joined the Unitarian Community. And in 1904 he was sent by the British and Foreign Unitarian Association to carry on an educational and enlightening work among his country people. On his way to Persia he visited Constantinople; and after several interviews with the Sheikhu 'I-Islam Jemalu 'd-Din Effendi and other Ulemas, he embraced the Holy Religion of Islam, meaning submission to God.

hasan - 2/9/2006

Anyone but you pomerol. I'd never thought you would not get the relation to current events...europe wants muslims to live, think and behave like them, the way i protest is not likable to you and the way you amuse yourself (through caricatures of others prophets(peace be upon all)) is not acceptable to us. we may look like a rogue nation to you and you may look like a foolish tyrant to us. We are different drummers playing different drums...i cannot make you to become a copy of me and u cannot either. i wont say ur drum sounds bad and you dont say my drum sounds bad...its like a dad who thinks he knows it all and he's mr. perfect wants his son to be an exact copy of him. Aren't you guys demanding the same from muslims ?

sdfhg - 2/9/2006

Tom - 2/9/2006

hmm the link don't work.
Delete the ; right in front of the
p=http%3A%
And it will work. Don't forget to copy and paste the rest of the link in to your IE.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/9/2006

This link explains it:
http://www.al-islam.org/taqiyah/

So when they live among us, they are friends, and when they are far they are martyrs and don't care about their lives.

Can you now understand why they say one thing when on Western media, and another when on Arabic media???

Not all muslims are like that, but the majority of the ones I have encountered are.

hasan - 2/9/2006

Its good to see an Indian opening up and showing his emotions. Its not advisable to use the forum for falsifying facts of life. I know Misra will be trying level best to increase tensions between muslims and christians. That's why you see such CHILDISH comparisons....So now we are comparing prophets....i can't see MOSES anywhere or RAM for our indian friends... :)

"Mohammed was violent, lived violently, was earthly, had a job, a wife... " who gave you this cocaphony tale...all the world scholars have admitted prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to be a man of character i belive you haven't read my previous posts.

I WILL NOT GO TO SUCH LOW LEVELS TO FIND FAULT IN JESUS OR MOSES. BOTH ARE VERY DEAR TO ME AND AS SUCH TO EVERY MUSLIM.

However, i'll try and answer some which are not namby-pamby...grow up you guys...

Since you may not understand or even believe my word i'm giving you an example of a famous european writer, thomas carlyle. He writes in his book ’Heroes and Hero worship’, he writes about prophet muhammad (pbuh) under the heading "The Hero As Prophet"....

he writes...

"from an early age, he had been remarked as a thoughtful man. His companions named him "Al Amin, The Faithful." A man of truth and fidelity; true in what he did, in what he spake and thought. They noted that he always meant something. A man rather taciturn in speech; silent when there was nothing to be said; but pertinent, wise, sincere, when he did speak; always throwing light on the matter. This is the only sort of speech worth speaking! Through life we find him to have been regarded as an altogether solid, brotherly, genuine man. A serious, sincere character; yet amiable, cordial, companionable, jocose even;" I'm sure you'll be able to digest all the praise given by this prominent european writer.

One more thing i wish to point out. If a father gives his son all the noble techings he has learnt and his son doesn't follow his teachings would that be his father's fault?

Islam is the most natural living religion that is why we say it holds till now and will hold till the judgement day. All the actions prophet muhammad (pbuh) performed in his life are exactly what guide us in various situations. In indian religion widowers cannot get married but our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married a widow much older than him so allowing muslims to marry women older than them and vice versa. Thats why we say Islam is a practical religion teaching all aspects of life.

Tom - 2/9/2006

Here is a video clip from an interview with 3 former terrorists explaining their reasons for resorting to violence:
Former Terrorists Speak O

http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=hzy6rsbab.0.r8rassbab.r4r4qyn6.2131&;p=http%3A%2F%2Ftinyurl.com%2Fdl2dm

Are we European to naive?
Are we trying to fight terrorism with peace love and understanding?
If the Islamic states are fascist dictator states, are we then supporting them with our aid, and helping them in there quest to spread terror?

This video clip says we are, what do you think?

Thanks,

Dan - 2/9/2006

See what we can do with Our Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen
http://www.freecomics.dk/assets/gallerioggejl/legepladsen/AnderFogh.swf

M.T. - 2/9/2006

Everyday, muslims burn the cross - the strongest symbol of the christian faith.
The danis flag - one of the worlds oldest - is a cross, symbolising their change from pagan- (viking) belief, into christianity.
Everyday you burn the cross, asking for respect to the holiest thing of your faith - how can this be?
How can you burn the most sacred thing of another religion, to ask for respect?

Will muslims ask themselves this question - will they look into their heart, and see that they are not acting in accordance with a peacefull religion?!

Peace, respect and tolerance to us all!

Thor - 2/9/2006

www.buydanish.net
Now works ok.
Visit and suggest any new sites!!

ArtDanish.dk - 2/9/2006

Thank you for this site, I hope we all will buy Danish , and help to make peace in the world!

Love from
Inge Marie Jensen
www.artdanish.dk

steve anderson - 2/9/2006

Eating Danish bacon and playing with Lego ... wooohooooooo (ok a few Carlsbergs too)

Disappointed the British government and the British press have distanced themselves from this. We are proud of our freedom of speech and freedom of humour.

We like bacon too. lol lol lol

jørn - 2/9/2006

I agree with the American, to see these fanatic moslems gives me the chill.

jørn - 2/9/2006

it is heart-warming to read we danes are not alone in this mad world!

M.T. - 2/9/2006

I remember an inteview - some american lady saying quetly, that she felt weird seeing her flag burn, and an angry mob of thousands, stamp on it resenting everything the society she lived in stood for.
I dont know why, but that image has always been pretty clear in my memory, though I really didn't understand her feelings... I do now!

But I really cant understand this giant wave of people in anger and violent trance, totally out of reach, torching our embassies and flags - this religious outrage, because of a cartoon... its really difficult to explain to your child, when you really dont understand it yourself!

jørn - 2/9/2006

it was false!!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/9/2006

The direct link:

http://www.um.dk/NR/rdonlyres/22F8522C-4D4F-4E32-805F-0633BF70E9E5/0/DokumentiMicrosoftInternetExplorer.pdf

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/9/2006

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11251690/

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“Defending the prophet should continue worldwide,” Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, told the crowd. “Let (U.S. Secretary of State) Condoleezza Rice, (President) Bush and all the tyrants shut up: We are a nation that can’t forgive, be silent or ease up when they insult our prophet and our sacred values.”

“Today, we are defending the dignity of our prophet with a word, a demonstration but let George Bush and the arrogant world know that if we have to ... we will defend our prophet with our blood, not our voices,” Nasrallah added.
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No comments!

Thomas - 2/9/2006

Mille Mortensen.
Just want to point out how wrong you are on just ONE point; - you state:

"...danish Nazi Party, which actually received quite a few votes in the last Danish parliamentary election".

Just for the record, the National Socialist i.e Nazi, did NOT participate in the parliamentary election at all.

Get the facts right, please.
Let us fight Islamic fascism.

The American - 2/9/2006

It's a tenant of Islam and means deception - it is preached as a means of conducting war. Notice the 3 extra cartoons used to incite the muslim bretheren into rage. Xenophobia? When I see people cutting their heads with swords to celebrate a holiday, or when embassies are torched, flags are burned, or skyscrapers are destroyed - I dare say that whatever phobia it is, it is healthy and necessary. Go appease, I'll go prepare.

The American

Thomas - 2/9/2006

Gary.
You obviously want to know the reason for printing Moh'd /intensions of Jyllands-Posten
www.jp.dk

Please read the facts:
http://www.jp.dk/udland/artikel:aid=3544932:fid=11328/

Lisbeth - 2/9/2006

Another sign that this is more than just the cartoons. The Egyptian newspaper Al Fagr printed 6 of the cartoons in Oct last year without any fuss or riots.

http://nyhederne.tv2.dk/article.php?id=3622993

Proud to be an infidel - 2/9/2006

Isn't this whole issue afterall, one of talking to "children"? ;-)

Thomas - 2/9/2006

There is only one thing WORSE than censorship, - and that is SELF-CENSORSHIP !!

Fight Islamic fascism before it is too late.

Support Denmark.

val kilmer - 2/9/2006

Re: Buy Danish (#76330)
by Use your mind on February 3, 2006 at 4:03 AM
Ha you people are so stupid, Comments by people like Kenneth and Kent..how are you guys so ignorant as to base all muslims on one single stereotype..You take a few cases of terrorism and of a few terrorists who made the stupid decision to attack the trade center and all of a sudden base an entire religion on it?..If we are going to base a nation of people because of actions a few of them ahd committed then I guess this is fair game too...Since there are so many peadofiles, rapists, killers who are caucasian and christians, well then I guess Jesus like to play with young boys too didn't he? Oh wait thats not fair is it? The same way it isn't fair to say that prophet mohammed promoted terroism just because a few extremists acted in a terrible way. Oh but wait a minute, lets not forget that you guys have a few terrosists too..Does the oklahoma bomber ring a bell? (He just happened to be a white terrorist).

You people are blinded by ignorance..since when is the muslim religion based on enslaving women, and killing children..How come you christians aren't looked at in the same way, you have rapists everyday killing kids, but I guess that doesn't apply to you right?

History is repeating itself people..The Germans duped their entire nation into believing that Jews were bad as an excuse to take over Europe, just like America has duped the entire world into believing Muslims are bad..And what happened in the end?..

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yeah okhlahoma rings a bell.

terrorism in moscow theatre , rings a bell ?

terrorism in russian school rings a bell ?

bomblast in bombay rings a bell ?

bomblast in wtc 1993 rings a bell ?

the bell keeps ringing on about your suicide and terrorists squad.

if you had read the whole news, okhlahoma bomber was a psycho. individual. though you guys are religious psychos too. but your number is big and that is cause of concern

rapists killers in western society are individuals. they do not practise that as a religion . do they ? except you folks. who do honor killing, raping women in muslim as well as non muslim communities. why dont you just take a book and read and grow up.

hindu - 2/9/2006

great response. how about islamic men raping and kidnapping europeans and australians ?? i think you forgot to add that.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/9/2006

I do not wish to comment on any of your brainwashed thoughts except for one. You said:

"Concerning 9/11, there is no final evident that Muslims are the ones who did that. I like to refresh your memory and tell you something that you do not know, too. Do not you know that 3ooo Jews backed off the Trading center a few minutes before the bombing.."

Do you know why your mind believes this nonsense??? It really is simple. Muslim "values" allows them to do that. No other sane human being can even accept that 3,000 (or 5,000 according to other versions) humans will ditch all their friends and coworkers and let them get killed in cold blood.

Just for the record, you have every right to boycott Denmark.

theo van gogh - 2/9/2006

the danish dailies may carry a footnote saying the newspaper may offend an average muslim reader's faith. muslim reader discretion advised :P

ericcson - 2/9/2006

try it out. they wont be barbaric like you.

hindu - 2/9/2006

lol.........

hindu - 2/9/2006

not to mention indian muslim painter m.f. hussain depicted indian goddess in nude and mother india also in nude. he still lives. this is difference between cultured and uncultured people.

muslims never criticise their own mistakes.

hindu - 2/9/2006

most people are illiterates. they cant read and rely on others judgement. they are masses that blindly follow the leader. just because they boycott danish products dont think they can replace it with their homegrown? these people are poor and live on religion more than a days food.

Indian - 2/9/2006

see the mob that is doing this has no boundaries. it may consist of ordinary muslim to the leader of muslim nation. these nations and people are totally incompetent and illiterate people. but for oil middle east would be poorer than poorest africa.

Danes shouldnt worry about flag being burnt. but i think the cartoon in scandinavian countries came as reaction to the crimes comitted by the islamissts in those countries. there is no smoke without fire remember.

Majakk - 2/9/2006

I migt just want to add here, that the dansih export to the entire middle eastern area is only 2-3 % of our entire export. Do you really think that your boycot will make a difference?

BMC - 2/9/2006

I'd like to purchase a T-shirt (obviously from a Danish firm) that reads "I love Denmark" with the script written in Arabic.

This follows the "I love New York" theme, as seen here:

http://www.tees.com/tee/showdetl.cfm?DID=7&;Category_ID=3&ObjectGroup_ID=16&Product_ID=778

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/9/2006

We are all Danish!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/9/2006

You got it right Kent. He exported this from the borders of Denmark, where no law was broken, and made it into an internationl conflict.

Mob mentality.

Dansk - 2/9/2006

Yet another xenophobe.
Sad that some danes are showing their real faces. Speak for your self dumb ass.

Gary - 2/9/2006

You guys you are still defending Jyllands-Posten which caused this trouble. IN realy most of you think that the jyllands posten dont own your muslims an apology, and what some danes here said, that jyllands-psten apologized for misuunderstanding their cartoons, not for their intentions. For me this is a shame and arrogant ,an real Apoloy from th Jyllands-Posten wouldnt have stolen Denmark the freedom of speech.
Anyway keep on defending a xenophobe paper, and you will lose sympathy of others

Gary - 2/9/2006

Ok I read it in the news but thats not the point since the egyptian paper blamed the jyllands posten for being xenophobes as they printed the cartoons.

you didnt answer my second question?

Søren - 2/9/2006

Ja det er sørgeligt at se dem der skriver under, åbenbart ikke er klar over at de samtidig underkaster sig muslimsk lov.
Hvis så bare muslimer lavede en underskrift indsamling og sagde undskyld hver gang en terrorist aktion blev begået af muslimer, så kunne jeg forstå det.

Og nej jeg siger ikke at alle muslimer er terrorister, ligesom alle danskere heller ikke arbejder for jyllandsposten.

Bus - 2/9/2006

Well, you just dont know where they came from, now do you, Stef!?
They claim... but that doesnt really matter, as the picture NEVER should have been brought in the first place - its pure propaganda, used to fuel hate!
If you accept this - you must be mad!

Mikkel Pind - 2/9/2006

Mille: I wish you could tell more about why you are so mad at Denmark. Everything you are describing are very specific things that you can find in any country and you use it to generalize... How can it be a surprise to you that an extreme right wing party says extreme things? I'm shaking my head and wondering if there is not some unresolved bitterness lurking around somewhere.

And you bring up discrimination that is also what can happen anywhere. I can say for my part that my wife is an immigrant and she has not observed any racism the 5 years shes been here. Sure integration rules are not invented to be fun, but also that was not the biggest issue for us. You should try Saudi Arabia or maybe the US to compare tolerance of immigration authorities.

You say that the nazi party got a lot of votes. I remember that they got around 70 votes in Greve, which is where they have the most supporters. Please, try not to use this forum to spread general “sensation stories” and blown up numbers .. Try looking at Sweden and I will bet that the Nazi DK:SE ratio is 1%:99%. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I am also interested in knowing which Danish law exists that makes a difference between Danish citizens? I cannot find anything on the subject.

What is an "ethnic Dane"? Are you one – since you are Danish and live abroad? ;)

Stef - 2/9/2006

I never said that nobody from Egypt lied about it.
Read my lips ;o) The danish imams did not lie about the cartoons.
And i have already said that the imams from middle east coutrys lied about it.
I follow the news. What do you want to know ?
Maybe you follow the news too...but do you understand them ??

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/9/2006

Hi Nina,
Thanks for your comment, nice to hear your personal history. You and I share the view of our Denmark.

Stef - 2/9/2006

Yes. So what ?? They did NOT lie about it. They didn't say it was a picture from a newspaper in Denmark.

Johnny (dane) - 2/9/2006

I just want thank those of you who stand by us in this crisis.

Those of you who buy our products to show your solidarity.

Whenever I read that someone wishes they were danish at this time it touches me at the very core of my heart.

We truly are a blessed nation, to have such dear friends and allies.

People who stand by their friends in a struggle that is both ridiculous and crucial for the future of the western world as a whole.

This is where our freedom of speech, one of the core foundations of the western world, stands it test.

For those of you looking for lists of danish products, go here:

http://buydanish.home.comcast.net/products.htm

Thank you and god bless you and your loved ones.

Søren - 2/9/2006

They had other cartoons with them, but didn't lie about them!

didn't lie, hahaha.

One of them was not even a cartoon but a picture from a festival in france, a pig calling contest.

Another Dane - 2/9/2006

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/
there you can see which egyptian paper it was.

Mikkel Pind - 2/9/2006

Gary! You are missing the point of the JP article completely! It was to address the issue of a situation in Denmark which artist were afraid for their own safety. Something that is very important to Danes is non-violence. From your posts it is clear that you do not understand this. Therefore it would have been a disgrace if a Danish media did not bring this forth. JP printed the drawings showing that it was possible in Denmark to find artists that were not afraid of touching a taboo. Why were the pictures necessary? Well without the pictures it would have seemed pointless to claim that artist where ready to make the drawings, no? In other words, it was proven that, culture, artistry, science, politics, media is still able to live and evolve even if there are taboos. If taboos were untouchable by law, you would live in a cage believing the earth was flat!

Flemming Rose from JP said one thing that made me realize exactly what the whole thing is about. He said that the fact that they treated muslim taboos just like any other taboo in Denmark it showed that muslims in Denmark where treated as equals. You could actually interpret this as it was a positive step towards integration... I know many will misunderstand, but look at India for example. They operate with hindu and muslim law and that creates a huge amount of tension. There is "us" and "them"! And trust me, it never ends if you let it go! If you treat everybody the same you erase the gap, if you start making excemptions you get the opposite...

Kristian Odgaard Svenningsen - 2/9/2006

Acutally Danish Stocks are very good investment objects.

Concerning the Middel East: Denmarks export to Arab Counties are about 2 % of the total export, and this wont effect the growth in DK.

Skjoldungen - 2/9/2006

WE WIL IN DENMARK NEVER TRUST MUSLIMS.... READ ABOUT "TAQIJA" AND U WIL NOW WHY.

Nicolai (dane) - 2/9/2006

This is a rough translation of an article in the danish newspaper "information" I appologise for some bad language but the article is heavy on long intellectual words, so i decided to just translate as best i could.

Freedom of speech

protests against Jyllandsposten's drawings has the opposite effect than the one the protesters are after, says the german writer Hans Magnus Enzensberger.

In November 2005, this german writer, published a big article about "the radical looser" The way humankind has choosen to organise with capitalism, competition, empire and globalisation is increasing the number of loosers, he proclaims.
"the radical looser" is no ordinary bully, he isolates, becomes invisible, guards his twisted view of life, saves his energy and awaits the time where he can strike, is Enzensbergers diagnose.
He (the looser) sees himself as a looser not worth anything and therefore also sees others as worthless.
The only thing the looser can see as a solution on his problem, is to worsen the circumstances that is course for his suffering.

An example would be the father who kills wife and children, before shooting himself, or the man who barricade himself in his house and shoots at everything because he is behind on rent.
Enzensbergers pointe is that it can be small things that makes the looser go beserk because he does it in spite of it is his doom, he does it because his action results in his doom.
On the one hand the looser, in the moment of truth, at last feels truely in power. His actions allow him to triumf over others by killing them, on the other hand he exerises justice to the dark side of his feeling of power, the suspicion that he is worthless, by ending it all.

Globalisation of Islam

according to Enzensberger you find the radical looser mentality in the worlds terrorgroups, multiplied. In this perspective he analyses the evolution of terror from the 2. WW (according to him, Hitler carried the marks of a radical looser) over the cold war and to the myriads of abbrivations which have been liberation movements or revolutionary until today.

The new thing in our time is, according to Enzensberger is that the first of these movements that have been able to keep up with globalisation, have been Islam.

Islam is the perfect mean to mobilise radical loosers because it mixes religion, political and social motives.
Enzensberger points out the likenesses with leninistic anf communistic groups, and also how the islamists in generel have learned, ideological and techological, from the west. But at the same time the islamists destructive actions, is foremost aimed at other islamists, which according to Enzensberger is no coincident, but a result of the radical looser mentality.
The Islamists cares as much about islam, as did the nazis about Germany when the end was approaching. As deaths avantgarde they care nothing for their brothers in faith. In the eyes of the radical islamist, the fact that most islamists does not want to blow themselves and others up, just shows theyre getting whats comming to them..the radical loosers aim is to hurt and make everybody alse a looser.

As a Finnish Telecom company
So what is the status of the arabic countries in this perspective ? Since the Kalif state, matters has been growing ever worse, Enzensberger concludes. "if you take away the income from oil, the whole arabic world produces as much economically as a finnish telcom company. Even to extract the oil, the arabic countries relies heavily on the west for technological assistance.
Economically and politically, the arabic world has been reactionary and unproductive. which according to Enzensberger has lead to the biggest brain emmigration not seen since the the jewish elites exodus from germany 1930's, in all likelyhood with the same long term consequence.
For any arab that thinks about things, all the gadgets like refrigeator, phone, scruedriver not to mention hightech gadgets, is a unspoken humiliation. But the the actions of the islamist radical looser will have catastrophic effect on arabic societies, Enzensberger predicts.
The most destructive long term effect will not be a burden on the west, it will burden the religion, in which name the islamists act. Not only refugees, asylum seekers and immigrants will suffer from this, whole societies will bear the enormous price for their self promoted representatives actions.
The idear about their target, which is bad enough as it is, beeing reached by terrorism is absurd. In history there iss not a single example on a regressive society which survived in the long run, when they choke their own productive potentials, Enzensberger concludes.

In this light, Enzensberger sees the drawings from Jyllandsposten.
the conflict was enevitable, he says. and on the question if there can be a civilized dialog, the answer is that there is no way to reach a consensus between the 2 oppositions.

The irony is that the people that are protesting has not understod anything about the logic of the media. Who in the wide world, knew jyllandsposten, a small danish newspaper before allt his ? now it is famous and the drawings are beeing spread out all over the world. The protesters has gained the exact opposite of what they wanted, More and more people are printing the drawings as a sign of solidarity, Enzensberger concludes.

The protests are idiotic, they are contra productive and bears very little intelligence. The sense of reality from the protesters is very small.

Enzensberger don't think there is anything to appologize for, why appologize? some may kapitulate, but most westerns would never give up freedom of speech. We are not suacidel, should i as a writer give in...never! is this issue about freedom of speech ? yes off course it is, it has taken us hundreds of years to reach this point, we must never give up on this.

They call us dogs, how do you react to this ? Personally i don't care, off cause we are infidels, we do the thinking, let them talk! They have no concept of mutuality, they are allowed to critisise us, but we are not allowed to critisise them.

The debate in Denmark in the last months have amongst other, been about the neccesity of publishing the drawings, it has been difficult to see a good reason?
Yoj can have objections against the drawings because theyre bad taste, but when it comes to bombthreats and the like, theres nothing to negotiate about.

nina - 2/9/2006

Hypocrisy is sitting in another country pointing fingers. I volunteer to help refugees coming Denmark as do many Danes. There are many companies private as well as governmental that have job offers only aimed to foreigners. In Copenhagen the Muslim children can every day eat halal-meat whereas the Danish children until now weren’t offered pork and Jewish children weren’t offered kosher. (This will now change so both types of food halal and non-halal is available) In a Danish church in Copenhagen the priest works with an imam who ones a week is allowed to meet members of his “flock” in the church. The universities and schools aim there campaigns to get more children with an alternative origin to take an education.
Yes! The Danish people’s party is also there. But guess what happens now when elderly scared people see the Danish flag being burned? The numbers of members in the party is rising.

Denmark is a wonderful country my father is a Dane my mother is African and they choose to live here, because my mothers was in every way given the opportunity to become a full and equal member of the Danish society with out being forces to give up here African identity. Good luck trying that in some Muslim countries.

Dear Mille – Stop listening to the newspapers come back and learn the truth. And try to listen to other people than extreme left wings.

Kim Hansen - 2/9/2006

You do forget one importaint thing. The danish muslims that took the drawings to show them to the muslims in Gaza, Jordan ex,ex, was not the real drawings from the danish newspaper. The drawings that the muslims was presented fore was ten times worse than the originally danish drawings. The muslims wanted to spread happenings that did´nt take plase in Denmark.somhow Sweden always seem to deffend the muslims. Could it be because they are affraid of them?

Tuborg - 2/9/2006

Carlsberg and Tuborg very good.

nina - 2/9/2006

There is an old saying in Denmark that you live and die for god, king and country. To day that saying could easily be changed to: Make fun of god, king and country.
Our Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen and every member of the parliament most face a wall of framed caricatures of politicians every time the head down to their cantina to eat there lunch. The walls in the parliament are decorated with painting made by an artist who goes by the name, the evil painter. And the paintings contain sarcastic texts about politician. The tabloid magazines print hundreds of cartoon showing the royal family drinking, smoking, with ugly teeth and bad behaviour even though the royal family itself is as normal as can be. We portrait ourselves as stupid and beer drinking vikings. But we always forgive and keep loving and living together. Those who can't cope with that can keep on living in countries with censored press, no free speech, violence, suppression of women and so on. I wish them good luck - but feel sorry for those who want to but can't escape.
Regards and love from Denmark

Nina - 2/9/2006

I buy all the fruit, vegetables, wine and cosmetics such as lotion and soap from Israel.
Most Danes are never influent by various politic statements about what to but and not buy. It makes it even worse, that we are now being punished in a way we wouldn't punish others.
The Muslim countries should feel ashamed.

Kristian Odgaard Svenningsen - 2/9/2006

ATT: MKE

You are a very wise man, and I respect your opinion, and I agree with your statement concering Israel!

I respect that people boycot things when they feel offended! That is a clear way of peacefully protesting.

Actually Denmark refused to buy any wine from France during the 1990, because they were testing Nuclear Weapons. As far as I know, a farmer in Borgogne has nothing to do with testing atom bombs, right?

Well, I have a date with a Kebap ( it lunch time in Denmark :-) After work I´ll hook up with my friend Hamid and have a good time!

In Denmark the vast majority of muslims and danes are FRIENDS!!!! (especially the new generation )

Kristian

4 universel Friendship!

M.T. - 2/9/2006

Please forward this link to every arab internetsite: here is information in arabic about the controversy: It the Danish Foreign Ministry - please read!

http://www.um.dk/en

Lisbeth - 2/9/2006

That is just great. A big THANK YOU!!! too all our American and German friends

Thomas - 2/9/2006

Jyllands-Posten can appologize if they want to, and in fact they have done so. End of story.. What I see at the moment in muslim countries is intolerance at its maximum. And it has no longer much to do with these drawings. Most of the people that demonstrates in the arab countries, haven't even seen these drawings and neither do they not know anything about the debate in denmark, or other western countries for that matter.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/9/2006

Mille,

You just posted:
"you all agree and yet you turn a blind eye. To me, that's hypocracy!"
Well dont count me in!! I havn't agreed with one line of yours.

S Misra - 2/9/2006

Actually, it is worse. Muhammed had wives, some quite young.

S Misra - 2/9/2006

Jesus is not at all like Muhammed. Mohammed was violent, lived violently, was earthly, had a job, a wife...

By comparison, Jesus was nonviolent. Yes, followers can be stupid and violent, but no words of Jesus justify violence, but many of Mohammed's words justify brute force. He was violent. Violence does away with reason. Violent religions are irrational and doomed. Your nations fear that which is why you ban evangelism. What are you afraid of? Your Koran, by the way, attacks Jesus, the idea of the Trinity, and Jews. Sunnis kill Shiites and Shiites kill Sunnis. In what fantasy world is Islam a religion of peace?

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/9/2006

Du forsøger jo at lave en underskriftindsamling imod ytringsfriheden!!! det er jo dybt dybt grotesk!!!

Mille Mortensen - 2/9/2006

you all agree and yet you turn a blind eye. To me, that's hypocracy!

S Misra - 2/9/2006

What are you talking about? Islam has been a backward force in many countries. In India, Muslims demolished every temple, burnt every library, and murdered monks by the thousands. Read Max Weber or Wells or Muslim court historians. The biggest murderer of Muslims is Muslims. Pakistanis murdered 1-3 million (at minimum) Bengalis, also Muslims, and 13 million fled the then East Pakistan. Pakistan has been a dictatorship or defacto dictatorship ever since it was founded. Only today, 22 Shiites were murdered by Sunnis in Pakistan, a bomb. If Hindus did to Muslim countries what Islam did to India, the meteorite in Mecca would be dust.
I do not exaggerate. In the 1500s, Aurangzeb, son of Shah Jahan, builder of the Taj Mahal, built upon a destroyed Hindu temple, demolished a Hindu temple city in the south so completely that Portugese travellers said no earthquake could have done more. Yours is an intolerant and violent faith. And, by the way, rape of Hindu women is how you "converted" quite a few Hindus, by force. I would be ashamed to be a Muslim. By the way, I am not a Hindu. I am a Christian, a follower of Christ, whom the Koran calls a blasphemer. So much for "people of the Book." Keep your faith and live in the stone ages of brute force. That is what your religion promotes.

S Misra - 2/9/2006

Heidi:

It is important to understand why Indians have difficulty with Islam. Starting 800 A. D. till about 1750, nearly 1000 years, Islamic conquerors destroyed temple after temple, burnt libraries, butchered monks, and oppressed Hindus. A history of that can be found in Joseph Campbell's works (a mythologist), in H. G. Wells (historian), and in Max Weber (sociologist). Only recently, they destroyed not only the Buddhist statues in Afghanistan, but, as I understand it, many Buddhist artworks in museums in Afghanistan, a number of them dating from the time of Alexander the Great, the famous Greco-Indian artwork. Theirs is a religion that demands punishment and killing of nonbelievers and they believe Christians are heretics for proclaiming the Trinity. The Koran's statements on Christians and Jews is quite violent, regardless of the untrue regard they profess for "people of the Book." Violent religions are doomed. Socrates says in Crito, violence negates reason, and violent religions are irrational. I will buy Danish. Encourage your politicians NOT to apologize. Only today, 22 or more Shiites were murdered in Pakistan by Sunnis. If they hold each other in such low regard, killing civilians, an abomination, then what can we all expect? I am quite happy that Christ never justified violence. Mohammed did. I choose Christ.

chad - 2/9/2006

...well, went shopping today...we'll see if us north americans can make up the difference as we stand up for our western values..........
Come on Canada....let's step up and buy everything Danish there is.....we got your back guys!

Svend - 2/9/2006

Well, my Swedish friend (if indeed you are Swedish) you've obviously read all your "truth" in a Sweidsh newspaper including all about JP being profascist in the thirties. But people change with time and so do newspapers. It is typically Swedish to take the position "more holy than thou". Olof Palme was a prime exponent of that attitude.

But we Danes like to speak out our opinion while the Swedes are tempted to sweep all the dirt under the carpet. The truth is that the former wide open door to the immigrants from the third world countries have brought a lot of problems to both countries. In Denmark such problems are mentioned - and discussed - in the newspapers, and in Sweden they are mostly hidden - because of your political correct attitude.

that doesn't make us racists.

The whole Muhammed crises was caused by a bunch of moslem imams who - in spite of a long stay in Denmark - don't understand how a free society functions. The imams representing a small fraction of the moslem community in Denmark, but claiming to represent all the some 200.000 moslems went on a tour of the Middle East carrying with them not only the Jyllands-Posten cartoon, but also some other pictures including a picture they claimed showed Muhammed as a pig (actually a press photo of one of the participants in a French pig-competition) plus other material which they claimed was offensive to moslem. This collection they showed to various imams to stir up trouble for Denmark. And as you see they succeeded very much.

Now the funny thing is that all this trouble started four month after the publication of the cartoons...isn't it quite interesting.

The essential thing is that the moslem are prohibited to picture the prophet - an eddict he made himself to prevent them from worshipping him as a god (and don't they really). The prohibition has been ignored many times, as there exists many moslem paintings of Muhammed.

This rule is a rule for moslems only, not for non-moslems and certainly not in a non-moslem country.

So the refusal of the Danish PM and Jyllands-Posten to apologize really stems from this fact that the moslems are trying to impose their rules on our society. Which is totally inacceptable.

Låt Skåne bli fritt!!

Carsten -danish - 2/9/2006

Im sorry to say that I disagree with You.
You cannot compromize the freedom of speech simply because You dont agree with the speeker. Russian police had the opputunity to proove their accusations in a danish court of law. they couldn't. End of story!
Denmark will protect anyones right to freedom of speech. It's a principle. Whatever Putin, al-Qaida, President Bush agrees or not.

Chris - 2/9/2006

No, a Saudi boycott most definitely WON'T bring the Danish economy down. In fact, the story today in the Danish media is that the rapidly spreading Buy Danish-campaign in the U.S. and Germany might actually make Danish export revenues HIGHER than they were before the Arab boycott.

Svend - 2/9/2006

Dear moslems

please notice that your burning of the Danish flag is a sacrilege - and much worse than publishing drawings which are supposed to depict your prophet (who knows what he looked like?)
you see according to Danish history the flag came flying down from the sky on June 15th 1219 during a battle in Estonia between the Danish army and heathens at a time when the Danes were nearly losing the battle. It was a gift to the Danes from God/Allah - so to burn that particular flag is a very, very great offense against Allah - please refrain from that or there'll be no virgins for you in Paradise!!!!

Pomerol - 2/9/2006

"As a Dane I feel particularly strong about this crisis."

But you still identify yourself as a Dane. That is a good sign and by the way totally contradictory to your views.
Get a grip. Your statements couldn't been futher from the truth. I think they speak for themselves....

Svend - 2/9/2006

the 2 "false" drawings were never published in Denmark. So you are totally wrong. It was the imams who brought the 2 pictures with them to show in the Middle East during their propaganda tour. Now it has been revealed that one "drawing" (claimed to be depicting Muhammed as a pig) was actually an AP-photo of one of the participants in a French pig-competition. The origine of the other has not yet been discovered

M.T. - 2/9/2006

Boycot of danish products backfires:

The "Buy Dansih" campaign has exploded in the US and in Germany and is spreading, newspapers report.
If you search google for "Buy Danish", more than a 100.000 hits comes up!
Danish exporters as Arla, Lego and Carlsberg expects a bigger income from this, than the lost suffered from the arab boycot!
The reason why it has backfired is, according to the newspaper, the disgust people are having with the reactions from the arab world.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/9/2006

So Mille, you said:
"I totally understand why people have had ENOUGH of Danish so-called ‘freedom of speech’ and discriminating laws"
Do you really believe that all tha people burning the danish Flag in Pakistan, Bangladesh and in Gaza know anything about danish laws and and now thing its time to burn some flags??? you are so fare out mille that you had lost your commen sense.

Bus - 2/9/2006

The only people hurt here. are the farmers who own Arla, and everyday Joe working at the plant!
Youre hitting at the wrong people - but I guess you dont care, in your selfindulged frenzy... I think its pathetic, and I think your religion looks so bad by this! This is surely no religion of peace!

Buy danish - support free speech!

Kent - 2/9/2006

Keeps fueling the fire: just saw an CNN interview, where hes asked, why muslim protest now, and not when suicide bombers use their religion - he just said, that this is a historical opportunity to protest (and take to the streets), meaning to fuel and escalate the conflict!
He's a fuck-up. and I will personally escort him to the airport - no more free healthcare for your sick wife, you islamo-fascist - you are using us, and throw hipocrasy in our face! Over, no more! You're disgraceful!
You are supposed to be a religious leader!?
Its not hard to understand why islam has become no. 1 terrorist religion! Get rid of these crazy imams, dear muslims, or else dialogue is permanently dead!

M.T. - 2/9/2006

Take a look:

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/

Erik Sander - 2/9/2006

Sorry to disappoint the saudi citicen, stating that an arab boycut would ruin Denmark
It will hurt in some small places, where a local dairy is specialiced in export products to ... also Saudi Arabia.
But danish economy, no. Our economy is among the strongest and fastest growing in the EU.Total arab boycut will mean minus max. 3 pct. af our export."Boy Danish" campains could cope with that.
If the oil weapon should be used, sorry to disappoint You again. Denmark would be in a position that allows it to defend itself, by keeping more of our own oil and natural gas at home, for "domestic" use. That would still leave some danish oil for export to the rest of the world. And we are relatively good in renewable energy also. And drive small cars.
Erik Sander
Denmark

Bus - 2/9/2006

Dont be stupid Stef - the TV has shown a high egyptian delegate with the pig-squeling-contest picture, saying that THIS was the worst picture of them all: surely the delegation has used ALL pictures to state their case - and thats an idiotic thing to do!
Stef - you are just opposing everything on this site - and you're pretty hard to take serously: read and watch the news at least, sp we dont have to discuss the basics of this confolict - that will bring us nowhere!

Jens Petersen (dane) - 2/9/2006

Dear Ex. Dane Mille

It has obviosly been a long time since you have been in Denmark. Your information about danes cover maybe 1% of the far right. No one I know has the views you describe. Dont believe everything you se on TV.

Maybe you are a swedish socialist in disguise?

Pomerol - 2/9/2006

"The two moderate Parties should make an effort to find a way to discuss the issued to avoid the spreading of the conflict in a religious Hatre which is of intrests for the tworadicals Parties (Xenophobes and fundamentalists)"

The government is a so-called rightwing government. But "Venstre" really isn't that far out to the rightwing as it may seem in international media. Compared to US I would argue that "Venstre" aren't even as much "rightwing" as the Democratic Party. Remember like I usually tease my leftwing danish friends: "Denmark is the last place where communism has not fallen" (Don't take this too serious).

JP and bad intentions. No one can be sure about their intentions. But we owe them to say that JP through the years have printed many articles on minorities in Denmark. I am pretty sure JP has recieved international awards for some of its work.

Kim Hansen - 2/9/2006

I would just like to thank you all fore the support of Buy Danish and fore the understanding of the free press. By the way. Me and my girlfriend visit U.S.A once a year and we just love the american people. You´re just great. Love Kim from Denmark...

Jeff Chivvro - 2/9/2006

To all muslims boycotting Danish products. It was a Danish newspaper printing those drawings. Not the Danish people. When a single muslim in Iraq kills an innocent civilian with a car bomb, are all muslims responsible?

Carlsberg is a lovely beer. Cheers!!

;-)

Stef - 2/9/2006

Lies about the fake cartoons ????
The danish imams did not lie about any cartoons. They had other cartoons with them, but didn't lie about them. They had a text next to the so called "fake cartoons" saying something like "This is letters send to us after we made the protest against Jyllands Posten".

Tim - 2/9/2006

Ok boycott our products, but please dont send Bush to us to throw bombs on innocent danish people:), It is just a joke with your sister,ok?Humor and Satire are one of the values of our danish free speech and I cant give up my freedom because one american felt offended that his family honor was unintentionally injured:)

Gary - 2/9/2006

I am not here to defend muslims.I am catholic just to make things clear. First which egyptian paper prints the cartoon (I just wonder), and even if they would have, I dont think they were doing it cause they were funny:).
Second the question is do you approve the publishment of cartoons themselves and do you think that they were good idea and without racist intentions?? Forget about what the muslims burned and imagine I would have asked you this question in October after some muslims in copenhagen demonstrated. This question is adressed to all the danes here too.

Another Dane - 2/8/2006

"Furthermore, sincerly do u think it is a good idea to have cartoons about virgins and muhammed with a bomb in a children book, which is supposed to teach children to be tolerant ?And do u think children would understand the meanings of the cartoons??"

Again the 12 cartoons were NOT for the childrens book, but to see if anyone at all dared to draw Mohammed, or the fear of Radical Muslims would stop them.
So 12 dared to draw them (and remember that the drawings were even reprinted in a Egyptian paper back in october and no one even cared back then), as so many others in other countries has done before, some of them even worse.
One in 2001 published in a u.s. Paper showed Mohammed driving a big truck with a HUGE bomb in the back, and no outrage then.
Muslim papers has for many years printed cartoons every week that makes fun of other religions, no embassy burnings there.
So it cant be the drawings that caused any of this!!!

Faith - 2/8/2006

Hello Brother,
"STOP VIOLENCE",, "ENOUGH THREATS"..etc.
these sighns mus not be presented in the streets of Mecca, simply because there is no violence in Mecca at all!

We did not burn any flag, we did not kill or call for executing the artists, we did no destroy your embassy......etc.

But what most of the Saudis did is only boycotting your products. So you believe in what we believe in that is the freedom of expression. But there are limitations for everything. {I hope you will not offended by saying this,, IT IS ONLY AN EXAPLE,, imagine that one of your friends draw an offensive picture of someone you really love and appreciate, i guess that you will not go to him and fight for doing so, but you will not talk to him for several days and then you will ask why he did this....etc (till the end of the story!}
Actually, that's what we did, we did not fight you back but because we believe in the FREEDOM OF DECISION, we decided to boycott you for several days untill your artists apologize. that's it, so simple, it does not require any effort (right)..
we did not only boycott denmar but also we started to publish books in the Danish language. How peaceful people we are and you accused us as being violent people !!

Brother, you recommended me to do something for things that never occur in my country.

I, now, politely ask you to carry these signs because Sharon and Bush are killing innocent women, men and children without any consideration.
I hope that you did not forget the tragedy of Mohammad Al Dora(the Palestinian child) who went to buy a toy with his father and was killed brutally by the jews with no adequate reason !!
(IS THIS THE PEACE THAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT).

""we both know what can happen to you if you do that""

What the thing that you know and i do not know.. please tell me if you something about my religion or about me and I do not know !!
O.K brother, let me tell you something that you do not know!!
If you would not mind brother, I do not want to talk on behalf of me since i can express myself and my religion by myself.
I will relieve you by saying that everyday "I Thank ALLAH for being a Mislim women, because I am a very precious jewel for others that can never be touched by anyone" I AM PURE and " I am so happy that whtever I want and wish comes to me easily, I do not need to and look for it or bother myself about it, NO, because i am a queen since everything i wnat is given to me" also i am as such because Allah our creator gave me a special position like a star in the sky..

you implied to the idea that we can not drive a car. It is not that we CAN NOT; actually we do not want to, because by doing so we will distort this precious jewel. I will be honest with you to tell you that there are SOME women who demanded to drive a car, but i do not accept their ideas because since we are queens we do not need to drive.
Friend, if you want me to talk about this issue i wont finish, and what i have mentioned is one simple reason.Women in Islam have all their rights and they are not opressed as what others think..
It Is A bLeSsInG to Be A mUsLiM wOmEn
SO IF YOU WANT MORE ELABORATION JUST REQUEST ME TO, AND I WILL BE READY FOR YOUR APPROPRIATE DEMANDS.

Concerning 9/11, there is no final evident that Muslims are the ones who did that. I like to refresh your memory and tell you something that you do not know, too. Do not you know that 3ooo Jews backed off the Trading center a few minutes before the bombing..

SO why you only accuse us, I do mean that the Jews or the Christians are the ones who did so but i like to explain to you that evil is everywhere. when you do not have final evident, you can not charge other people..

Dear brother, i did not want to talk about 9/11 or the rights of a muslim woman, but you obliged me to do so.

FINALLY, I want you to konw that we are brothers and sisters and we do not hate one other, We respect each other. I will not talk about religion because this is your religion and what you beleive in and i respect you and your religion.

I hope that you accept what i have written for you and others as what i did.

I am waiting for your reply
Thanx

Bandar - 2/8/2006

boycotting will go on and this is only way to teach you guys the difference between human right and responsability, and you should know if only the saudian stop buying the Danish product,that will turn the Danish's economy down. Nothing is personal, However it is more than that,hey guys you should look at it from our perspective, he is Mohammed, higher than all of us

The point that I want to mention is that, nither of us as Muslim am Woestren didn't try to come down and resolve the issues and instead we inflamed the things.By this we lead the world to the end beleive or not, Life is soon enough is going to be over

Saudi citizen

Gary - 2/8/2006

SO tell me sincerly what was the intention of Jyllands-Posten?Which paper did print the cartoons, the first paper was in fact Jyllands-posten.
This was a side to support my claim that Jyllands-Posten do not treat Christians and Muslims readers the same way. This supports my thought that that Jyllands-Posten are xenophobes who play along with a xenophobic political Parties.
The real conflict is the Danish xenophobes on one vs. religious nuts on the other.
You have to constantly remind yourself - and others who may need it - that there's a silent majority of moderate people whenever something like this happens in the Muslim world, because the media will not tell you this. They focus on those who resort to violence(more interesting for the media).

The two moderate Parties should make an effort to find a way to discuss the issued to avoid the spreading of the conflict in a religious Hatre which is of intrests for the tworadicals Parties (Xenophobes and fundamentalists), and for that the danish government should exclude the radicals from this dialog (the Imam who spreaded out the cartoons as well as the nationalists).
Regards

Søren - 2/8/2006

Even the lying idiot Abu Laban (who only came to Denmark to get his sick wife treated for free) and his organisation (of wich I guess you must be a part of) did this without any consequences.
By this I mean spreading the lies about the fake cartoons etc. etc.

Søren - 2/8/2006

Nobody ever claimed that the intention of Jyllands-Posten was to defend the freedom of speech.
It was the other papers that printed the cartoons, that made it an issue to defend the freedom of speech.

Søren - 2/8/2006

Never said that it was Abu Labans not so peacefull organisation, just said that some muslims spread the pamplets, so no misunderstanding there :)

Faith - 2/8/2006

Brother Gary,

I dont know Osama Bin Laden personally and i don not want to !!

BUT the Holy Quran is one Holy Book read by all Muslims. However, some people may misinterpret the words of Allah the Almighty.
Bin Laden ran from the KSA because he knew that his deeds and ideas will be rejected and they will find no acceptance.
Why you did not ask yourself: "why Bin Laden is not living in Saudia Arabia although he is Saudi,,,, Why he did not practice his deeds while he is living there !!

(((SIMPLY because of the fact that some of his views are opposing our peaceful religion ISLAM)))

I hope that you can decide which version you will read NOW!!

Thank you
brother,,

Faith - 2/8/2006

Dear Gary,,
from the beginning, let me refer to something which is really important: You have classified one of the visitors who posted a comment as a false Muslim and that she does not know who is her prophet or anything about Islam....

I am sorry to say that you were mistaken,, because how come that you classified her as such and you know nothing about her faith (whether strong or not),, or whether she is practicing her prayers or not. You have just said (YOU are a FALSE Muslim) Did you see her stealing anything or killing anybody!!
Actually i do confess that she was mistaken too when she wrote these words. She was mistaken because she did not control her anger or her love to the prophet (PBUH). She was mistaken because she did not apply what our prophet told us to do when we get rage (that is to CONTROL OUR ANGER). So you were mistaken because you judged her wrongly. Let us assume that maybe after posting her comment, she said "O Allah forgive me i did a mistake" and then she started praying asking for forgivenss.
The idea of classification that i have presented it to you is not only applied to Muslims but also to all religions. We may have a pious Christian and another Christian who does not know anything about his religion. THIS IS A FACT, and we can not ignore it at all.
A few days ago, i read a comment for a girl and it was so insulting but i did not reply to her because here i am not addressing these minds,, in fact i am looking for moderate and reasonable people..

Finally, i mean no harm to you, but i am just trying to explain to you what you have misunderstood..

Dear, Dansk
i thank Allah for having people like you. I respect you so much due to your reasonable mind and judgement.

Thank you for you both

svensk - 2/8/2006

"Jag är inte säker på att Jyllands-Posten, som har en relativt invandrarkritisk redaktionell linje, hade ädlaste intentioner när de publicerade Muhammed-karikatyrerna, säger Christoffer Zieler".
http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=519988
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The danish guy who sent the Jesus cartoon to Jyllands-Posten said that he does not think that the Jyllands-posten with their nationalist and anti-immigrant background did not have the noblest intentions when publishing the cartoons. Why all danish people still think that the intention of Jyllands-Posten was to defend the freedom of speech??

unholiness - 2/8/2006

some says that evil prevails when good men fails.....but i say evil will always prevails

Gary - 2/8/2006

If you see my posting, I didnt blame any danes for what is happening. I am blaming the violence caused by this cartoons from extremists. I can understand the anger of danish muslims who demonstrated peacefully. However I really blame the jyllands posten for the non stupid publishing of the cartoons, and I think using the free speech as argument is a shame for them (I was on their side at the beginning cause I thought it is usual to draw cartoons about religiuos symbols).
I think you as danes it is your responsibilty to condamn the jyllands posting for what happened, because they had bad intentions, even if they were allowed to publish it. You danes and the danish government dont have to apologise for what a paper did, only the paper has to apologise but without using the argument of free speech.
Regards

Stef - 2/8/2006

Abu Labans organisation "Danish Islamic Federation", is a peacefull organisation (as far as we know), and does not urge to kill jews.
Hizb-ut Tahrir however has urged to kill jews. Abu Labans son, Taimullah Abu Laban is a member and spokesman for Hizb-ut Tahrir.
Hmmm...all these rumors and misunderstandings :o(

Gary - 2/8/2006

Well I dont think that has anything to do with the other caricatures that were added by the stupid imam.
I am just following the logic of the redactor who said that Jesus Cartoons would provoke an outcry,so why he didnt think that the muhammed cartoons would provoke outcry among the danish muslims? And if it is a matter of drawing cartoons for a children book, he could have sent it directly to the book author without publishing them on his papers, right?? Furthermore, sincerly do u think it is a good idea to have cartoons about virgins and muhammed with a bomb in a children book, which is supposed to teach children to be tolerant ?And do u think children would understand the meanings of the cartoons??

Pomerol - 2/8/2006

The drawings are old drawings of Jesus. The newspaper didn't wanna use these old drawings just to make a point. The point has already been made in Denmark so many times before. That's probably why many Danes (and europeans for that matter) have a very abstract relationship to God (myself included). I consider God to be an abstract phenomenon. The bible carries a beatiful statement. And I believe it's good. But I don't belive anyone is looking down from above.

Pomerol - 2/8/2006

Don't let yourself be blinded - open your eyes. As I said try to challenge your own beliefs. Try to create new perspectives on this conflict by setting aside the ones you have. Repeating oneself is no challenge at all. The real challenge is another - Allowing oneself to question ones current perspectives - to think the unthinkable. And to use this creative learning in a constructive way in order to solve problems.

Søren - 2/8/2006

Try to remember that the drawings were published, cause an author tried to get someone to make some drawings for his book about Mohammed, but noone dared because of the killing of Theo van Gogh.
So I can not see any double-standards there, the other drawings was sent unsolicited and had nothing to do with any story, so why print them?

Gary - 2/8/2006

Interesting Article in the guardian
http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1703500,00.html

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.
In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.
Zieler received an email back from the paper's Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: "I don't think Jyllands-Posten's readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them."

The illustrator said: "I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy."

"I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny."

But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, said that the case was "ridiculous to bring forward now. It has nothing to do with the Muhammad cartoons.

"In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That's the difference," he said.

"The illustrator thought his cartoons were funny. I did not think so. It would offend some readers, not much but some."

The decision smacks of "double-standards", said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman for the Danish-based European Committee for Prophet Honouring, the umbrella group that represents 27 Muslim organisations that are campaigning for a full apology from Jyllands-Posten.

"How can Jyllands-Posten distinguish the two cases? Surely they must understand," Mr Akkari added.

Meanwhile, the editor of a Malaysian newspaper resigned over the weekend after printing one of the Muhammad cartoons that have unleashed a storm of protest across the Islamic world.

Malaysia's Sunday Tribune, based in the remote state of Sarawak, on Borneo island, ran one of the Danish cartoons on Saturday. It is unclear which one of the 12 drawings was reprinted.

Printed on page 12 of the paper, the cartoon illustrated an article about the lack of impact of the controversy in Malaysia, a country with a majority Muslim population.

The newspaper apologised and expressed "profound regret over the unauthorised publication", in a front page statement on Sunday.

"Our internal inquiry revealed that the editor on duty, who was responsible for the same publication, had done it all alone by himself without authority in compliance with the prescribed procedures as required for such news," the statement said.
The editor, who has not been named, regretted his mistake, apologised and tendered his resignation, according to the statement.
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That shows the bad intentions of Jyllands posten, then he knew that the Muhammed cartoons will provoke an "outcry". The question is,following his logic,how can he be that stupid to publish them?

Søren - 2/8/2006

1)
How did we get there?
We didn't make it :(!!
2)
How did we get there?
The only solution I can think of,
is so unmentionable

Stef - 2/8/2006

No it was not sold as pictures from Jyllands Posten. But as anonymous letters send to the danish imams, after they protested against the Muhammed drawings. You would know that if you watched DR and TV2 news d. 8/2, but I don't think you listen to what the imam from Denmark had to say.

Pomerol - 2/8/2006

I have been reading lots of posts on this board. Generally most posts are either for or against. But it doesn't seem like we are getting very fare in this virtual boxing fight. No wonder we are having such a hard time solving this conflict "in real life". Maybe we don't wish to get very far in relation to mutual understanding? Maybe we are all just letting of steam? Maybe we could do something different for a change?
Change your own perspective - challenge your own creativity - and give your view on how this international conflict can be solved. Sometimes it helps thinking backwards. Let's say the conflict was over. We are at the moment in a peaceful future. How did we get there?

Stef - 2/8/2006

Then point out where you think I am wrong.
I also get my informations from the media. But I am listening to both sides of the story.
The lies are coming from the Middle east imams...not the danish.

sirrom - 2/8/2006

on behalf of the british governing clases i wish to apoligise for our pathetic stance in regard to this matter

S Misra - 2/8/2006

Read the Koran, it is violent. How does a Muslim become "good" when in the Koran, for example, it says that the adulteress should be beaten, and Christ forgives the adulteress about to be stoned. Violence is bad. People can be good, just as some Germans in Nazi Germany can be good, but the religion of Islam is violent. If you haven't read the Koran, you have no idea at all and are speaking from ignorance. Not all religions are alike. Violent religions are irrational and Islam is violent.

Pomerol - 2/8/2006

It's beautiful. I'm just curious about your interpretation of the lines above in relation to the current conflict.

Søren - 2/8/2006

I wouldn't call it an internal danish thing, since the thing had blown over in Denmark, even an egytian newspaper printed them back then without anybody in the muslim society taking any notice of it.
So then the Iman took a trip to the middle east and spread some BIG lies, and then it began.

Søren - 2/8/2006

Mille Mortensen, its people like you that are causing the problem by spreading lies like that, try to be a part of the solution.

"All of this has been allowed to be uttered without any consequences for the perpetrators."
And the muslims never did anything without any consequences, I seem to remember some pamplets that were spread around in Denmark saying that all jews and those who support them must be killed, and they uttered that without any consequences.
Even the lying idiot Abu Laban (who only came to Denmark to get his sick wife treated for free) and his organisation (of wich I guess you must be a part of) did this without any consequences.

Pomerol - 2/8/2006

behind every great man there is an even greater woman - cheers

Marie (Danish) - 2/8/2006

If you had just a tiny bit of brains you would have realized that no one in this forum woould ever (!) support Pia K. (or Louise Frevert for that matter).

"It's rumors, and I have dismissed them all. If you cannot see that, or argu back...Then I feel sorry for you."
- You have personally dismissed everything that any media in Denmark has published and painted your own truth from who knows what!? Well - maybe we have a brand new prophet on the stand, so we can now easely call off the crisis!!!

Marie (Danish) - 2/8/2006

1. Could never dream about reading Ekstra Bladet but stick to my Berlingske AND Politiken

2. The news was also on both DR and TV2 (the two largest networkstations in DK)

3. The clownpicture WAS taken at an annual festival in France

4. No matter how the 'IMAM-crusaders' achieved the photo it was 'sold' as part of Jyllandspostens's series on their little roundabout - as well as the false pictures wih the dog etc. BBC just happens to be the only European newspaper who bought it as such.

5. Get YOUR record straight!

sedat - 2/8/2006

If you do not respect my religion, I will boycott Denmark forever. Danish products (design furnitures, toys, foods, whatever) cannot enter arabs markets anymore.

See what happen!
God Luck

Bus - 2/8/2006

Drink less - my friend!

svensk - 2/8/2006

hehe talk for yourself:). I am sure that all the swedes are more tolerant than you danes with immigrants.
At least, our press is not hypocrite and writes sth because they are convinced to it not with the intention of insulting peope. I said you are ridiculous and thats true, just look at the comic figure the redactor of Jyllands-posten refusing to publish a Caricature of Jesus 2003 with the reason " “our readers would think that the cartoon was not comic and publishing it would offend the believers and create an unnecessary debate. We are worried it may cause tension”.
Is it not hypocritical?What did he not think the same before publishing the Muhammed Cartoons or are muslims animals that you dont care about feelings in Danemark??

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/8/2006

Please stop reading what Stef does not want you to read :-)

Bus - 2/8/2006

Is there solidarity enough, on this issue (from governments): should the danes recieve money from the EU for their loss? Should the danes cut their aid to the palestinians?
Should they sue through the WTO - is it possible?
Is it just a internal danish thing, or is it the foundation of the western world, being faught over?

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/8/2006

The Danish law was not broken, so Abu Laban's actions were simply taken to FORCE Islamic views on a whole nation.

The world stands behind the Danes.

M.T. - 2/8/2006

You are right Hasan - I think that the action of the few, punishes the rest - and thats really sad!

We should all try to come together, leaving the radicals (neonazi and islamist) outside!
We should try start all over: but then you must stop punishing all of denmark (and europe) because of the action from an independent newspaper! You must understand that free speech is non-negotiable, as we will understand that depicting the profet isnt just a thing you do (unless you got some damn good reasons to do so!)
And we should fight islamofobia wherever we see it!
And the imams that you choose to follow, should make it clear, that terror is not an option - never!

Ordinary people are afraid - thats probably why you feel like this - their reaction is probably not just: but you have to fight it with patience and tolerance (look at the states) - and we are lots of people who will fight with you... but no fear, not anymore - people are feed-up with the usual violent acts, whenever there is an east-west issue going on!

You have to look at Gandhi, not the radical imams for the way to do this - and maybe you should create euroislam to make your own stand in the arab world! I know, that it would make me feel better, knowing the people I'm living with, doesn't rally with Hisb' ut Tharir!

I'm all ears - but you have to come to me with an open hand, not a clenched fist with a burning flag!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/8/2006

If that was how Muslims think (no collective judgment), why are they boycotting Denmark as a result of the action of one newspaper?

If Muslims did things to show the good side of Islam, then they can win some respect back. Condemning terrorists alone did not, and will not, stop the killing of innocents. It honestly sounds like a scratched record.

If the ones committing these crimes are only a "handful" and Muslims disagree with them, why are they still in business? The world sees them as much more than a "handful", and that you agree with their ideology. Change that, and you will win the respect of the whole world.

Bus - 2/8/2006

You are just refering to the extreme right and their stupidity, making it a general claim about danes. You dont mention the great troubles we've seen in integration, and how hard the normal dane is working to make it happen for everybody!
I'll agree that the tone of discussions have been sharp, but so has the problems with escalating violence and a minority living parallel lifes, never partinioning in the society, nor working or paying tax. The danish society has a great fault: You dont have to do anything to get by - your expenses will be paid - no wonder that idea cant hold!

I'm sorry to read your totally one-eyed and superleftist analysis: and it seems to me that you really havent been around!

Its not people like you who solves the problem - I think your generalizing way, is a part of the problem - sorry!

The danes are not the populist peoples party - you are dead wrong! And you are even more dead wrong, not listening to what they say, at least - because they represent a scared older generation in denmark, that doesnt understand globalisation. We need to listen - not demonize; whether its imigrants or old people or just stupid people! Listen, not generalize! Ok?

hasan - 2/8/2006

Different Drums and Different Drummers
======================================
If I do not want what you want, please try not to tell me that my want is wrong.

Or if I believe other than you, at least pause before you correct my view.

Or if my emotion is less than yours, or more, given the same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel more strongly or weakly.

Or yet if I act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action, let me be. I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will come only when you are willing to give up changing me into a copy of you.

I may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, your friend, or your colleague. If you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or beliefs, or actions, then you open yourself, so that some day these ways of mine might not seem so wrong, and might finally appear to you as right -- for me. To put up with me is the first step to understanding me. Not that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no longer irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness. And in understanding me you might come to prize my differences from you, and, far from seeking to change me, preserve and even nurture those differences.

Source: David Keirsey and Marilyn Bates in Please Understand Me

i guess they were better human beings than most...

hasan - 2/8/2006

If you murder my son will i go on murdering you...if a con escapes prison will the police go and capture his family. Likewise; if some lost souls adopt the wrong path would you be treating the entire muslim race as wrongfull; if that is the case then for every crime committed by a catholic all catholics would be put to task; if a christian commits a crime will i go on blaming christ. Why? What did he do to deserve this. In the same way you cannot put blame of a handfull wrongdoers to entire muslim community or even Prophet Muhammad.. There are lost souls in every religion and in every nook and corner of this world.

Hundertmark - 2/8/2006

I recognize a sound argument when I see it.
I am Danish and judge the catoons as dumb and senseless ... but in Denmark you may be dumb and senseless without being puniched. You will be laughed at.
Now regconize this:
The newspaper is a lesser paper - limited edition - which tries to advance its sales by being on the forefront of anything. It is sold in Denmark only. Not in SaudiArabia.The cartoons wasn´t ment for you.
You would never have heard about it if it wasn´t for some extremist muslim priests, who were born in the Middle Eastern countries and felt at home there rather than in Denmark.
OK, the Danish muslims may have been offended... if the read the newspaper, but how could you ?
Will you be offended if I tell anti muslim jokes about the Prophet when I am walking in the street with my friends? How will you know when to be offended?
The cartoons have been spred... My jokes ... if any .. will not be. That the only diffence.
Among the blasphemic pictures circulated by the islamic priest from Denmark were pictures of an empty chair, of a bearded lady(german 18th.century) and a man with a pigs nose..... the last picture made a row in the Mosques. The Prophet as a pig !
The supreme insult!
... but the picture is a portrait of a famous Frensh porkhowler ( a special Frensh sport) winning the howling contest. It had nothing to do with Mohammed, the prophet.
Never the less it was carried around and shown in the Middle East by the Danish imams just the chair and that certain lady.

Something is wrong here - somebody with an agenda of their own is playing you like at flute.
Find them and stop the noice while you can regain your dignity still.

Islam is woth it.

Kenneth - 2/8/2006

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Mille Mortensen - 2/8/2006

Following is an open letter published in the british media:

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'There is Something Rotten in the Kingdom of Denmark’

As a Dane I feel particularly strong about this crisis.
If we look at the text next to the cartoons when they were originally printed in Jyllands Posten we can read that they were meant to show muslims in Denmark that they have to be prepared to accept ‘mock, scorn and ridicule’ and not expect ‘special treatment’.
Denmark has turned into one of the most xenophobic societies on the planet over the last decade. The Guardian and other media have covered this.
An extreme right-wing party, the nationalist ‘Danish People’s Party’, which has members who regularly call muslims, immigrants and asylum seekers ‘cancer cells’ and a ‘force only waiting to take over’ receives around 14.5% of the votes and is a crucial parliamentary support for the ruling government. A member of parliament once said laughing on TV that Somali asylum seekers should be dumped from aeroplanes above Somali territory – without parachutes, another former member of parliament said years ago that immigrants ‘breed like rats’ and called immigrants second class human beings. I can give many more examples but I will spare you. All of this has been allowed to be uttered without any consequences for the perpetrators.
Muslims and people of ‘non-Danish ethnic origin’ have protested against this development and taken politicians and newspapers to court in the past but with very little success. Danish law is extremely lax when it comes to racism or blasphemy. For instance; Holocaust denial is not a crime, neither is the Danish Nazi Party, which actually received quite a few votes in the last Danish parliamentary election.
Additionally, Danish law discriminates between Danish citizens depending on how long they have held Danish citizenship and on whether or not they were born in the country. Several organisations including the European Council on Human Rights, the UN and several human rights NGOs have strongly criticised Denmark for discriminating its own citizens and denying them the fundamental right of equality before the law. Please look it up if you don’t believe me or see the report by Commissioner Alvaro Gil-Roble for more information if you wish.
I made a conscious decision to leave Denmark eight years ago because of the xenophobia I was seeing and the discrimination my partner (who is not what in Danish mainstream is called ‘an ethnic Dane’) was being subjected to. There are thousands of Danes living abroad because of Danish immigration law and the general xenophobic situation in the country.
In this context I totally understand why people have had ENOUGH of Danish so-called ‘freedom of speech’ and discriminating laws of which the drawings are just one example. I just hope that they figure out that violence is not the way.

Posted by: Mille Mortensen 6 Feb 2006

Ron - 2/8/2006

I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say in your post.

The difference between between our cultures is, when we get offended by a cartoon, we don't riot in the streets screaming about killing people, burning buildings and threatening people.

We understand that there is a civilized way to do things, and that is not it.

If you want to live in a civilized world, act like civilized people.

hasan - 2/8/2006

"Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

ARE YOU DELIRIOUS....OR JUST INTOXICATED! WHY you quote quran out of context. If i say you are a killer and not complete my sentence youll probable couldnt know that you killed a fly. its like saying goodbye before saying hello. what you have mentioned is part of an incident narrated in the quran.

(Remember) when you sought help of your Lord and He answered you (saying): "I will help you with a thousand of the angels each behind the other (following one another) in succession." ...(Remember) when He covered you with a slumber as a security from Him, and He caused water (rain) to descend on you from the sky, to clean you thereby and to remove from you the Rijz (whispering, evil-suggestions, etc.) of Shaitan (Satan), and to strengthen your hearts, and make your feet firm thereby. (Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."

if you start from the begining youll have a much clear picture.

Ron - 2/8/2006

you sir, are an embarrasment to the human race.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/8/2006

They are nuts NOW?

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/8/2006

The action of some of the followers of Jesus are what made him less sacred in many people's eyes (I doubt you need me to explain this). The actions of a group of Muslims has done the same damage to Prophet Mohammad's image in the world.

Attempting to FORCE the world to respect him will only cause more damage. People respect others based on their actions, not how good they, or their followers, say they are.

People who are not violating the laws of the country they live in should not be afraid of expressing themselves freely even if you don't agree with them.

hasan - 2/8/2006

first of all im sorry if you lost a few posts. just bad luck i suppose...your last comment is mroe pertinent than all your previous discourse.

"Arab intellectual breakdown by West" this reminds me of your post. You should be in touch with this guy cause i believe i saw a similar line in one of your replies. I'll try and answer all your objections and reservations.

If you dont like some muslim folks or their actions that doesnt mean that islam is faulty. believe me it has no faults whatsoever and the life of prophet muhammad (pbuh) is the light every muslim must follow. We protest on the dececration of Quran every time. i think you haven't followed the guantanamo story. The US officials after retaliation stopped disgracing the quran. it was a retaliation by prisoners can you imagine those poor souls in the midst of hostile hate mongers without any connection from the outside world still getting thier message through. One of the prisoners recently released was a countryman and he said this on television that the guards do this to every book even the bible. so they had to be informed that muslims consider the quran as sacred. another one: what happened in holland your sister country was a direct result of insult to quran. An insult to quran is an insult to god. And Van gough while making his movie "submission" forgot. thats why he was killed. you see muslims dont get much access to information. Even i got to know of this through a cnn program showing europe in crises. lack of education and awareness (emanating from your beloved democracy)of what the west is upto these days the poor is only concerned of making enough to feed his family.

I must say most of your comments regarding prophet muhammad (pbuh) are emanating from a confused mind. Either you have been provided with wrong information or you have been subjected to some pretty negative stimuli. it hurts when you say all those nasty things about him but it is my duty as muslim to tolerate your harshest of remarks in the hope that some day you may find true light. you see there is alot of propoganda out there on the internet directed against the muslims you will also find many jewish propaganda machines busy churning websites and twisting historical facts but you may find truth in some libraries. you will also find christian missionaries working hard to tarnish the image of islam and prophet muhammad (pbuh) that is why you see alot of material vilifying islam and our prophet. You said we strive for islamization of the entire world. had we been putting even half the effort these christian missionairies are putting not to mention the money and goods, we would have gained much more... islam is the fastest growing religion despite all the media hypes and libelling. surely there must be something right which is making people adopt it. Im not talking about illetrate or uneducated...the vastly educated westerners are accepting islam as their religio of choice. I tell you one thing these converts are far better practicing muslims than us. the problem is that we are born muslims and we dont even read the quran and the sunnah (life and deeds of the prophet (pbuh)) we read it in arabic and not in our native language. this is probably what happened when you met that family you mentioned. we should read and understand the quran in our native languages and only then you'll see a major change in our image. What you have mentioned about the prophet (pbuh)im sure you have been misguided.

"I saw the necessity of a moral leader being a better example morally than his followers and yet I saw mohammed talking out of boths sides of his mouth demanding one standard for his followers while having a different standard for himself claiming that he was entitled to priveledges that ordinary muslims were not and claiming that he had to do things to defend islam as if he had no other options. " this is absurd. No one till now has been able to find a single flaw in his life. how can there be double standards when god in the holy quran says that the life of prophet muhammad is all based on quran. if prophet muhammad has done something then we are entitled to do that and vice versa.

Let me quote you one of our prophet's sayings :

"Those who are not kind and merciful on the mankind, then Allah is not kind and merciful to them as well.” (Sahih Bukhari & Muslim)

how can u reach to such a conclusion about a person who has been kind and generous to even those who wanted to kill him and his family.

Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay, a Hindu professor, in his stunning book Kalki Avatar claims that the description of Kalki Avatar found in the holy books of the Hindu religion matches the personality of Holy Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).

Let me share with you a few links for now.

http://www.ummah.net
http://www.irf.net/irf/main.htm
http://www.alrehman-alrahim.com

may be after reading the sunnah section you'll start finding some goodness...its a sad thing that some of his (pbuh) ummah (the muslims) have strayed from the path and people like have always managed to find these lost souls.

take care for now............

Stef - 2/8/2006

It's rumors, and I have dismissed them all. If you cannot see that, or argu back...Then I feel sorry for you.

Rob - 2/8/2006

The response to the cartoons has been Neanderthal. Shrieks for Jihad, Fatwahs, beheadings, suicide bombings is showing the world what they suspect, those cartoons were getting close to the truth. Islam has been hijacked by losers that are contributing nothing, they are the gutless forces of destruction and despair. Moderate decent Muslims, rise up and re-join the human race, get involved, getting working, get creative and get successful.

Stef - 2/8/2006

No, they didn't lie. The Imams got the picture in there mailbox. With words like "This is your prophet muhammed" and they have never said otherwise. Don't read Ekstra Bladet. You are misinformed.

Ren - 2/8/2006

For those Americans that have yet to visit Denmark (seems like the UK, France, Germany and Italy are visited most by Americans) It is well worth the trip and you can do it buy visiting Germany first and taking the ferry across to Denmark.
Just talking about this makes me miss Denmark. what a great Country...

Gary - 2/8/2006

I agree! I never tried Danish cheese before, but that Havarti creamy cheese is GREAT stuff!!! Now I'm hooked on it. (-:

hasan - 2/8/2006

well peggs! im amazed at these lengthy lectures im getting on churches from you. I have written something entirely different on 2 occasions and you have managed to evade the discussion at hand. it seems as if you have a mind of your own and you are not prepared to listen to others. i have been well-behaved i come as a guest to your forums and all i get to see is the re-incarnation of churches. Let me share a link with you which an american blogger shared with me :

http://www.godhatesfags.com

if you are following news in america you would probably have heard of 6-7 baptist churches being burnt down in a matter of days.

i have nothing against fags and i'm no fag either. so dont get any wrong ideas.

M.T. - 2/8/2006

Oktober 2005 (2005!), an egyptian newspaper printed the cartoons.

Why did the uproar come so much later, and why arent egypt boycotting itselves?

See for yourself:

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/

hasan - 2/8/2006

you are right in saying that prophet muhammad (pbuh) is not holy to you. but does that give you a right to demonize him. what about jesus and moses. are they holy to you, would you go about demonizing them. As for hindus; im sure i know more about them then jeff jacoby or you. I have lived with them for a long time. it would be news to you that indians EAT BEEF as well. yes that's true! they also export cow meat to many countries. but do they allow RAM or SEETA be demonized. hmmm...you can pick any of their GODS and try demonizing them youll get your answer... pretty strongly!

Antonia - 2/8/2006

Am British,but right at this moment i wish i were a Dane,i agree with freedom of speech and i believe that muslims should not make threats on peoples lives. Don't get me wrong am not saying the cartoons were right,but i do believe there are better ways of going about resolving the problems apart from through threats of beheading and massacre.That is simply babaric! the western value and muslim values are very contradictory to each other and as thats the case then the western culture should take priority since it is the western world,anyone that dosen't like it should simply leave,in the same way they came they should go.
I've never really checked on food items i eat but i will definately be looking for danish product 'BUY DANISH'

And danes should stick together through thick n thin!

Bus - 2/8/2006

The imams lied, and called it a picture of Muhammad!

And it was from an annual pigfestival in France!

You get your facts straight, partner!

M.T. - 2/8/2006

Stef - Im sorry for you!
This is in every newspaper - but I guess you dont read them!

Bent - 2/8/2006

"Very importent article: how radicals escalated the cartoonincident"

Bent - 2/8/2006

Du lyder som en højskoleidiot! (må ikke tages som en fornærmelse!)

Prøv lige at forstå, at de mennesker du gerne vil nå, kan du ikke nå: de er radikale islamister!

Ikke at jeg ikke kan forstå din dejlige danske naivitet - men det holder sgu' ikke længere: dette her er ikke en konflikt om 12 tegninger - det er en kamp om muslimske sjæle!

Stef - 2/8/2006

Maybe you are seduced by Ekstra Bladets og Dansk Folkepartis lies.

"Several of the images, shown by the imams touring the middle east, never appeared in denmark"

No, not in newspapers. But in the Imams letterbox, saying "this is you prophet muhammed". They have never said it had been in the newspaper.

"The other lies told was by radical imam Mahmoud Fouad al-Barazi, crying out "They want to torch the Qu'ran at an rally in the city center", said live on Al Jazeera in the face of 50 million muslims (Big lie - danes wouldnt even dream of suggesting it - its probably an sms passed among a few neonazis. A clear example of not being critical towards the the newssource!)"

Some danes wanted to burn the qu'ran on a public place. But they didn't dare.

"Abu Laban (another radical Imam), told the danish press that he would work for calming the extremely difficult situation - then he turned around to Al Arabia few minutes later, and told them he was happy that the arab world stood together building up this boycot. (Shouldn't they be more critical about their sources and their political agenda?!)"

Abu Laban has explained, that he is NOT happy about the boycut, but he is happy the arab world stood together"

"Mahmoud Fouad al-Barazi the radical imam, also told Al Jazeera, that the kindergartens of denmark is used to whipe out the muslim comunities by asimilation... not true: Danish people and Denmark pays for private arab schools in denmark"

He is not talking about the privat schools...but the public schools. But that is how he feel. And I understand him, because alot of integration in Denmark is about "Don't be SO muslim", if you know what I meen.

"And last but not least: the infamous rejection by the prime minister, to meet with the diplomates in the first place, were not because it was a matter of free-speech, as refered on Al Jazeera homepage - it was because the diplomats wanted the prime minister to take legal action towards the cartoon newspaper - which is a totally absurd request. He can't do that! (but he ought to have invited them anyway - but thats another discussion!)"

It was also about free speech. He said, that he could not meet whit them, because free speech was not up for discussion

Don't listen to Pia K, she is the one spreading propagandas and lies.

True Gangsta - 2/8/2006

If you have to right to speak your mind, do you have the freedom to shout fire in a crowded theatre? Sure you can, but it is not a sound judgement. Can the European Newspapers question the number of Jews killed in the Halocoust? In the US, GB and Canada, you can go to jail for questioning the Halocoast. Didn't more Russians do in WWII.
This cartoon publishing thing was a contest to insult, to inflame, to defame a religion and create stereotypes. It was not a news or entertainment worthy.

Bus - 2/8/2006

"Organized outrage, one lie at at a time

David Warren, The Ottawa Citizen

It is important for people in the West to realize how the "Danish cartoon apoplexy" was started. Contrary to the impression left by most mainstream media, most of the Muslim world does not read Danish, store Danish flags in their closets, or have sea-mail subscriptions to all the Danish provincial newspapers. Everything it needed to riot was supplied, including a large volume of hateful lies.

Riots seldom, perhaps never, happen spontaneously in the Muslim world, or in ours for that matter. You need people committed to setting the bold example -- to pitching the first rock through the first window. And as we were reminded by the recent riots in France, it takes organization to keep a riot going. Witness the young men on scooters with cellphones, scouting fresh streets for the vandals to attack.

On Monday morning, the Wall Street Journal fleshed out what Danish media and the interested blogosphere had been uncovering through last week: the true history of how the international riots were organized and seeded.

The cartoons were nearly ignored when they first appeared: There was one death threat from a Muslim immigrant, but police determined that the man was mentally ill.

Trouble began stirring when imams called attention to the cartoons with incendiary sermons in Danish mosques. An imam in Aarhus publicly reminded the editor of Jyllands-Posten of what had happened to the Dutch filmmaker Theo Van Gogh. But even that could have blown over.

From several sources, we now know that word of the cartoons was then carried systematically through the Muslim world -- to principal mosques, madrasahs and government offices starting in Egypt. This was done by delegations sent by Ahmed Abu-Laban, the Saudi-supported imam of Copenhagen. And in addition to the dozen cartoons that had actually appeared in that obscure provincial newspaper -- most fairly innocent, and one actually satirizing opposition to Islam -- the delegation's "media kit" included 30 graphics that had never appeared, and by their nature would never appear, in a Western mainstream newspaper. For instance, a photo of a man dressed as a pig, over the caption, "This is the real Muhammad."

The fake pictures not only outnumbered the real ones, they were much nastier. Many were in the style of anti-Semitic cartoons that appear frequently in Arab papers, but turned around to target Muslims instead of Jews. And the covering letter, which I have read in translation, was full of outrageous lies about events in Denmark, and misrepresentations of what had been said by Danish journalists and politicians.

It is this document, and not any copy of Jyllands-Posten from Sept. 30, 2005, that is at the root of the Muslim riots, the Saudi-sponsored pan-Arab boycott of Danish goods, and various fatwas and other acts that put Danes and other Europeans in peril for their lives.

That the first violent acts were performed in Gaza and Damascus, under the oversight of Hamas and the Syrian Baath party, respectively, speaks volumes. That the Danish embassy in Beirut was torched just after the one in Damascus, says more. Lebanese police arrested nearly 200 provocateurs, most of them Palestinians and Syrian nationals. These people also tried to start a rampage through the whole upscale Maronite (Levantine Catholic) neighbourhood that is also Beirut's embassy quarter.

The barometer is still falling. Local Islamists have now seized upon the issue to launch more riots in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Indonesia. Across Europe, attempts are being made to rekindle the sort of thing we saw in France. And apologies are being demanded that would be very foolish to give.

For the whole point of this exercise is to enhance the power and prestige of radical Islam over the great number of Muslims who have not been looking for trouble. Terrible damage is done to moderate interests simply by recognizing the least reasonable Muslim voices as the legitimate representatives of Islam.

It is utterly wrong to appease an Abu-Laban. Here is a man who gave an interview on Danish television, pretending great distress and condemning the excesses of the international campaign against Danish persons, property and products. But he also gave an interview to Al-Jazeera, in Arabic, cheerfully congratulating the world's Muslims on putting a scare into the Danes, and gloating over the success of the boycott. Alas for him, the Danish television network, DR, has now shown excerpts from the Al-Jazeera interview, translated into Danish.

This has to be spelled out very plainly to people in the West who don't get it, including ignorant scribes in the U.S. State Department, the British Foreign Office and the Vatican, who have added their official voices in condemnation of those irrelevant Danish cartoons.

Every time we refuse a radical Muslim demand by sticking to our sound western principles, we strengthen reasonable Muslims against the fanatics. Every time we relent, we strengthen the fanatics.

David Warren's column appears Sunday, Wednesday and Saturday"

Citation from:
http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/

Sune Jensen - 2/8/2006

Taliban had set a prize on the 12 danish cartoonist: 100 kg of Gold. Wow. They are nuts now. They even not know ther Denmark is and what democvracy is an F.O.S

M B - 2/8/2006

Or the Dutch!

I'm off to buy some LEGOs.

MB

Dorothy (USA) - 2/8/2006

Well said, Heidi. I just made my shopping list of Danish products, and I'm off to the store.

Stef - 2/8/2006

Jyllands Posten are going to publish cartoons of Jesus in a few days. I then expect to see the same kind of protests from the muslim world, or your words are bullshit. But let's see what happens. I don't think they gonna be THAT angry.

Ludwig Maximilian - 2/8/2006

I am a native californiann and longtime resident in Ecuador. In solidarity with our danish ally in the war on terror my friends and I here in Quito went out to Supermaxi a national supermarket chain and bought some delicious danish cheese, danish cookies, and danish sausages. I have a longstanding invitation from some friends in Denmark for a barbecue. Unfortunately funds are scarce and Denmark is a long way from Ecuador. Ecuadorians are also with Denmark. My friends here apreciate the high quality of danish products.

Ludwig Maximilian
Quito, Ecuador

Gary - 2/8/2006

Quote: "Well you american you are worst than muslims..."

Yea Tim, we Americans are worse than Muslims. I'm going to arrange a violent protest today for your rude comment about my sister. If your country does not apologize for your rude comment, I will arrange a boycott of all YOUR countrie's exports.

Stef - 2/8/2006

The Imams from Denmark did not lied about the picture of the man with a pignose. BBC has misinformed about the pictures. And it was not a clown festival. Get your facts right....please.

Sune Jensen - 2/8/2006

http://www.forsoningnu.dk

Andrew - 2/8/2006

I am buying legos for my granddaughters upcoming birthday. I am having a Dak ham sandwich for lunch, and I already have several pieces of Danish Modern Furniture in my apt and plan to buy more. I am also blowing up the Buy Danish JPG I downloaded and putting it in my car window. I am so sick of being "SENSITIVE" to people that would just as soon slit my throat as look at me. I say fuck Mohammad and fuck all of his psychotic religious fanatic followers. This propoganda that the radicals are a minority and most Muslims are peace loving is a bunch of pig shit.

Peace

Terrance Alexander Corn - 2/8/2006

I am an American, I have no problem with the Muslim population as a whole on the most part. However I do not support radical destructive behavior of any religion or race, it is true that all countries have that part of the population that are inclined to this behavior and sometime they become elected officials. The radicals use unhappiness or anger to incite their point to an extreme level, as adding more captures here has done. This is yet another example of extremist fueling the flames of global hatred. I will support the Danish people, I will buy Danish products, and I will advise all my friends and family to do so as well. Stay strong friends

gomets - 2/8/2006

You are welcome. What comments don't you agree with?

Thomas - 2/8/2006

It is widely know that Swedes have this know-all attitude, and always have to lecture the world of how to do things!
It is a socialist run country (with an very arrogant PM), with no real free press. Just notice how they do NOT discuss Islam/imigration problems. And showing solidarity is obviously also a problem. But even for Swedes, this is an eye-opener, and the majority are surely behind the western values, the 4 freedoms. Oppose Islamic fascism. Support Denmark .........

Proud to be an infidel - 2/8/2006

Sorry to be the one to break the news to you Eman ... but there is no such thing as allah.

(don't ask it! the burden of proof does not rest with me)

If you're young with a vibrant mind, you've still got a chance. Read, read, read, read and read ... but go easy on the holy books, will ya?

svensk - 2/8/2006

it is not the same that a minority of neo nazis jerks are cmmitting some crimes and the most famous newspapers supported by the Government publishes insulting cartoons.SOme backgrund info about Jyllands posten
"In the 1920s and 30s the paper was infamous for its sympathy for fascism and understanding of the German Nazi dictatorship. When Benito Mussolini in 1922 became the leader of a fascist coalition government in Italy, the paper wrote: "The very strong man, that Mussolini absolutely is, is exactly what the misruled Italian people needs" [3]. In 1933 the paper even argued for the introduction of dictatorship to Denmark: "Now the electors know that the democracy has been transformed to a pure rule of parties, where objective matters are pushed aside for the party political. And that is why we must assume that a majority of the voters sincerely wishes the dictatorship as the only solution to healthy conditions in the administration of the state"

Its is known that Jyllands-posten support the right radicals parties in Denmark so when you know that 80% of danes support the government and 76% of danes support the magazine what can people conclude?Supporting a right radical newspaper mirrord the neo nazi atmospher in Denmark.
Ha det bra

DC - 2/8/2006

My grandfather came from Denmark, and I believe very strongly in the principles of freedom of religion and freedom of the press, both of which most of the muslim world stands against. The attention they have brought to the issue simply reinforces wester perceptions of the muslim world as oppressive and violent. I for one will choose Danish products any chance I get, and I propose further that we boycott all things muslim in retaliation for this rediculous assault on freedom's champions.

Proud to be an infidel - 2/8/2006

Universal law and human values? Whose?

I'm extremely offended (as a human) by the inherent ABSOLUTISM of the belief system you share with your jewish and christian brothers. Perhaps you are more accomodating, I don't know, but so many of your ilk regard theirs as the DIVINELY CORRECT view (despite the utter paucity of evidence for this)! For many, "non-belief" is inadmissable and no affront to the "belief" is acceptable under any circumstances.

Which is the crux of the matter. Is my non-belief acceptable? If not, I'm under no obligation to respect your sentiments. If my non-belief is acceptable, then the question of your "extreme offence" is moot; as I don't have to read your holy books and be offended, you don't have to read Danish newspapers.

Steven R Alvarado - 2/8/2006

Most terrorist are Arabs, Why?

Proud to be an infidel - 2/8/2006

From my own standpoint, I don't hate muslims, or their brothers the jews and christians. I derive much entertainment from them all.

Prophets indeed! How many thousands of years now have you all been raving about god, yet still haven't a scrap of evidence for it?

Provide some convincing evidence of this thing and I'd seriously reconsider your hilarious prophets. No, no, please don't cite one of your "holy-books" however ... those just insult my intelligence.

Tim - 2/8/2006

Well you american you are worst than muslims, where is your sense of humor??We blame arabs for feeling insulted and now you are nagging about a gag I said;-)
Anyway you are more than welcome to visit me in Stockholm, I live in a student house and I knew many good american exchange students.

M.T. - 2/8/2006

Due to censorship, its not possible to face the above mentioned TV stations with their un-truths aired about the cartoon-incident. I will state the case here:

Several of the images, shown by the imams touring the middle east, never appeared in denmark: One, depicting a man with a pignose, is now found, taken from a childrens festival in France. BBC has now appologized for showing these pictures!

The other lies told was by radical imam Mahmoud Fouad al-Barazi, crying out "They want to torch the Qu'ran at an rally in the city center", said live on Al Jazeera in the face of 50 million muslims (Big lie - danes wouldnt even dream of suggesting it - its probably an sms passed among a few neonazis. A clear example of not being critical towards the the newssource!)

Abu Laban (another radical Imam), told the danish press that he would work for calming the extremely difficult situation - then he turned around to Al Arabia few minutes later, and told them he was happy that the arab world stood together building up this boycot. (Shouldn't they be more critical about their sources and their political agenda?!)

The radical muslims also told lies about denmark was to support an anti-muslim film, and that they supported a rewriting of the Qur'an, into something more moderate... A total fantasy

Mahmoud Fouad al-Barazi the radical imam, also told Al Jazeera, that the kindergartens of denmark is used to whipe out the muslim comunities by asimilation... not true: Danish people and Denmark pays for private arab schools in denmark!

And last but not least: the infamous rejection by the prime minister, to meet with the diplomates in the first place, were not because it was a matter of free-speech, as refered on Al Jazeera homepage - it was because the diplomats wanted the prime minister to take legal action towards the cartoon newspaper - which is a totally absurd request. He can't do that! (but he ought to have invited them anyway - but thats another discussion!)

Will the "free" arab press take meassures to correct these wrongs - in the face of their more than 50 million viewers - or will they forever be considered lying and hate-instigating media of the arab world?!

It is a most serious matter, for the relation between the west and the arab world!

Patty - 2/8/2006

I have started buying any Danish product I find in my effort to show support for the Danish people. The peopel of Demark are showing incredible courage and integrity by standing up, not only their right to free speech, but for the rest of the Western World as well. If people of the civilized nations continue to give in to a few fantics that can only express themselves with violence than the World is doomed.

Marie (Danish) - 2/8/2006

It now turns out that one of the false drawings (the one supposedly portraying the prophet with a pig's nose), which the little Imamgroup toured the arab world with (to spread their lies and start the fire) is a picture of... hold on... A french clown!
The picture was taken at a clowns festival in France, where this particular clown acted with the fool's symbol (!) of a pig's nose - poor poor man who's only intention was to entertain small kids! Only goes to show that the line between comedy and tragedy can easely be blurred...

PS: check this arab blog out - it's quite interesting:
http://onearabworld.blog.com/543798/#cmts

Marie (Danish) - 2/8/2006

"hehe we cannot get danish girls, thats the big jokes, we all know how easy danish girls are and how they all dream about swedish guys (integration problems?)."

WHAT!? Some people really like to live in a dreamworld...

PS: And half your account of the situation in Denmark is incorrecet, and it is also a fact that Sweden experiences A LOT more physical attacks on 'coloured' (muslims or non-muslims) - I think that was the reason for the neo-nazi comment (For one of the few, cultural, swedish comments on this matter I can strongly recomment "Kyla" by Lars Norén - the most famous sweedish playwriter of our time).

Marie (Danish) - 2/8/2006

Thanks! This is the way forward as a lot could learn from: intercultural dialogue between everybody:-)

Marie (Danish) - 2/8/2006

As a dane I thank you for your support - but (as it has been said several times in this forum) let's not stoop to the same low level and boycutt 'muslim-products' (the word itself ringing falsely in my ear) - it will hit the wrong people as is the case of the Danish boycutt!

Khalid From Saudi - 2/8/2006

Some guys here talk about Arabs

Fact:
Most population of Muslims is not from Arabs.

Bus - 2/8/2006

Listen lady - I think you should use the word "islamism" instead of taking all the good muslims hostage here!

Gary - 2/8/2006

Hi Warren,

yes, I will be in both Denmark and Sweden in April and May. Thanks for the suggestions. Perhaps I will visit Tim who suggested my sister was raped by Muhammed.

Warren - 2/8/2006

Are you going to Europe next summer? Denmark is lovely. Copenhagen, by all means -- the Tivoli, the art museums, the scupture, the Go-Gade, the Radhus, the harbor.

But also visit beautiful Jutland, including picturesque Aarhus and Elsinore (the latter of "Hamlet" fame). Jyllands Posten means "Jutland Post" and is located in a suburb of Aarhus. I've been to all these places, including a drive from Germany all the way up the Jutland Peninsula. The countryside is gorgeous.

This would be a contribution to the plucky Danes that's even more direct than buying Danish products in the U.S.

Fly SAS, just to complete the deal.

LEVE DANMARK!

bought more Danish Beer - 2/7/2006

All these attacks on the people of Denmark just made me go out and buy even more Danish product. Not to mention another big case of Carlsberg beer. Tell your friends to join us and support Denmark.

Søren - 2/7/2006

Thomas - 2/7/2006

You are right!
Delegations and speakers from other free (?) nations, should in solidarity with Denmark stay away. Democratic leaders n former leaders, why on earth are they "helping" one of the harshest
regimes at all ?
The press should be made aware; - but then on the other hand it might be offensive to too many ... !
The US medias have shown in the cartoon farce that such a ting as a free press does no longer exist. The Islamists have won!

DeaconFrost - 2/7/2006

this has been a danish newspaper. it's not forbidden to do drawings of the prophet in denmark. no need to apologize for things, religious fanatics can't tolerate, because of lack of common sense, i think.

FreedomOfSpeech - 2/7/2006

i would more likely boycot flag-burning fanatics, getting completely out of their minds, because of a cartoon showing a person being dead since more than a thousand years, than innocent danes ...

Bill - 2/7/2006

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&;section=0&article=77444&d=7&m=2&y=2006

"JEDDAH, 7 February 2006 — The organizers of the Jeddah Economic Forum 2006 decided yesterday not to invite the Danish delegation at the annual event...
...global speakers include Irish President Mary McAleese, Congo Brazzaville President Denis Sassou N’Guesso, Gambia President Al Hajji Jammah, Ghana’s former President Jerry Rawlings, former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, former US Vice President Al Gore, human rights lawyer Cherie Blair, Forbes Inc. President & CEO Steve Forbes, Forbes Magazine Editor in Chief Peter Roberston, Vice Chairman of Chevron Corporation"

How do you reckon they will express right to free speech? Is it money talking, and no fight to end the arab-hijacked issue on some drawings?
Fight intolerance, hatred and violence - fight this forum!

- 2/7/2006

If you have made a comment after a database backup and the database get tecnical problems, you might lose all posts after that backup. So the original post+comments could have been from before the backup. I have lost my post several times on the internet due to some database problems, and i have learned to make a backup before i post.

peggy - 2/7/2006

One last thing Hasan,

Better and more learned men than mohammed are the ones responsible for what is good about islam. These men who came after mohammed made islam particularly after they came into contact with real civilization. These wiser heads adopted the attitudes that they met with and modified islam to look more like the cultures that they encountered. It is telling that where islam originated and where it has had little contact with outside cultures it is the most violent and extreme but whereever it came into contact with more peaceful faiths, it became more moderate. In Turkey, the Balkans, Russia and Greece it came into contact with Greek and Christian culture. In Iran (before the ayatollahs) it came into contact with Persian culture. In Asia it came into contact with Buddhism and Hinduism. Modifying the fundamentals is the only way to a moderate islam but even then it must be modified more to allow for the liberty of others. It is telling that the more strictly people follow the teachings of mohammed the worse off they and everyone around them become.

mohammed was only peaceful when everything went his way. When things didnt go his way he was violent. This pattern continues in those who follow his example which means that islam can only be peaceful as long as it always gets its way. This is the mark of an immature man whose faith is to this day immature and will remain immature until muslims accept that mohammed was wrong about many things.

The mature and secure person does not need approval, respect and acommodation from others in order to be peaceful. This is something that muslims cannot know from mohammed. This also makes islam insufficient in that the teachings of other faiths and systems are needed to make it complete, secure and mature.

Dutchie - 2/7/2006

Please don't quit Grolsch.
They haven't done anything wrong ;).

I will buy and drink extra Carlsberg to compensate.

peggy - 2/7/2006

BTW, Hasan.

I studied islam from muslims. I have been friends with several moderate muslim families. What I saw in one family was that the more devoted they became to their faith the less tolerant they became. I saw the fear that they had about so many things. I saw first the wife cover and then the daughters with the intention to force others to respect them. These women out their faith and trust in a piece of cloth and worried so much about what others thought of them that my heart broke for them. I remember the youngest trying to convince me of the wonders of wearing the hijab by saying that when she wears it she knows that noone disrespects her and that it made her feel more secure etc. I had to ask why she cared so much about what other people, mostly people she didnt know thought about her. What harm can the thoughts of others do to her? I told her that security comes from within a woman not from a piece of cloth. I told her that a woman's character needed no help from a piece of cloth to impress others.

Eventually, I had to stop visiting the home because I was friends with the husband from work and I got the distinct impression that the wife was freaked out about it even though she wasnt before she became so devout. The thing is that these folks would still be considered moderate muslims by any criteria. When I first knew them they were no observant. Once they became observant thats when things went downhill.

I was once not a Christian. I studied all the worlds religions without bias. I believed that all the religions were equal and equally good until I studied islam in depth and I saw the complete disconnect between the talk and the walk. I saw the inconsistenies of mohammed and the furious spinning beginning from day one required to justify his actions and his madness. I saw the necessity of a moral leader being a better example morally than his followers and yet I saw mohammed talking out of boths sides of his mouth demanding one standard for his followers while having a different standard for himself claiming that he was entitled to priveledges that ordinary muslims were not and claiming that he had to do things to defend islam as if he had no other options. I concluded that there was no more morally inconsistent founder of a faith than mohammed by any objective moral standard. I concluded that one had to entirely redefine morality in mohammeds own image in order to call mohammed a moral exemplar. He does not meet the standard that can and should be expected of the founder of a religion and I blame the lack of the Jewish and Greek traditions in Arabia for the confusion of the early muslims for believing that mohammed was such an exemplar. He was only an improvement on the kind of person who was there at the time but not in any objective sense. He was a man that had peaceful options but did not exercise them. He was a man who taught that others were to be tolerated as unequal second class citizens as long as they paid a protection tax. He was the man who commanded that the main temples of others, including St Sophia were to be taken by force and converted to mosques in order to humiliate subject peoples. He ordered the murders and executions of many people and stood by as hundreds of Jewish men were beheaded and their wives and children were made slaves.

Hasan, the fundamentals of islam is mohammed. It is telling that millions of muslims have gone insane because of these pictures but they didnt go nearly as crazy when the koran was desecrated at Guantanamo. That is proof that mohammed means more to muslims than anything. He means more to muslims than the lives and livlihoods of innocent Danes who were not responsible for the cartoons.

Islam is founded on the example of a flawed and immoral man who just seemed great compared to the others around him but is not great or moral compared to the other founders of other faiths. Its heart is corrupt. No amount of moderation can fix that. Only reform and free criticism of mohammed and his teachings can fix that. Muslims need to leave lala land where islam is perfect and not to blame for anything for the good of the whole world. Muslim denial of the truth will result in the absolute opposite of peace.

Proud to be an infidel - 2/7/2006

"Here, Here" to losing one's religion! Mankind slowly grows up.

Jerusalem would serve as a great museum to remind us all of what religion did.

Infidelity - 2/7/2006

This is scholarship!?

This is some of the most confused writing I've come across in a while. Discerning readers should have little trouble pinpointing the variously selective and asymmetrical argumentation.

The last line of the article is particularly ironic.

Debbie - 2/7/2006

You're missing the whole point here. Newspapers are in fear of publishing what they want to many times in fear of what we are seeing today. Had the Muslims just protested peacefully, they would have had most of the world's sympathy and most would be against the newspaper. Muslims proved the newspaper's point. I always thought this point was proved, though, by the many who have been killed for saying anything against Islam; but in that case, people usually just think, Oh, it was just a radical Muslim and they're not all like that...just a handful. That's just not true. While all Muslims certainly aren't violent, there are far more than just a few, and they absolutely do threaten our freedom.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/7/2006

I'm sure its not only your comment that was deleted, as I said some of mine are gone too, I think there have been some technical problems, so its not just you.

Katrine - 2/7/2006

I completely support Marie on this subject.

Peggy - 2/7/2006

But why were just my replies to Freedom to Act? deleted? They were there when I left on Friday.

peggy - 2/7/2006

Get a grip Hasan!

Everything about islam's fundamentals are harmful to mankind. Everything. Beginning with the fanatical devotion to mohammed to the extent that muslims are willing to kill, harm, maim and destroy when he is depicted or ridiculed follwing his own example of killing those who ridiculed him in his own time and commanding his followers to do the same in perpetuity. Next comes the slavish immitation of everything that he did which suppresses all liberty and creativity.

The totality of islam where there is no room for a secular government is harmful to mankind.

The doctrine of jihad in all of its forms is harmful to muslims and non muslims alike. All forms of jihad are too extreme and forceful and someone always loses who shouldnt lose whenever a muslim launches on any kind of jihad.

The doctrine that muslims must earn forgiveness by following the fundamentals of islam is harmful to muslims. How can anyone do good without self-interest if one must do good to earn God's favor? How much time and worry goes into making sure that one follows all the rules? The laws of islam ensure that muslims do not and cannot integrate with other people unless those people are forced to accomodate muslims and live like them in order to keep them happy. No non-muslims can be truly free living alongside muslims.

The doctrine that islam must be spread over all the world has been harmful to millions and millions of people. A faith with strict laws cannot be universal without resort to bullying and violence and repression. This has been amply demonstrated in all areas of the world where islam has been where non-muslims must live in fear of offending muslim sensitivities and arent free to live their lives according to their own consciences. Judaism and other creeds that have strict laws do not have universal pretensions and that is why they have not caused even half the trouble that islam has caused. This feature of islam is faulty, flawed and harmful. The Amish or the Orthodox Jews do not work to make the whole world submit to their faith. They do not devote themselves to force changes in the way that other people live to wear down their resistance to accepting their faiths. They do not demand or attempt to force others to respect them. Forcing or demanding respect does not lead to a better world. There is no better world through any form of jihad.

The doctrine of islam that says that it is the end all be all of knowledge, that it is perfect and requires no amendment is harmful to all. There is a better way. It has been found to be sucessful. Muslims are devoting their energies to break that better way down and to make progress go backward by islamify-ing Western democracy to suit themselves.
There is no such thing as an islamically friendly Western democracy. There is either medieval islamic theocracy or Western democracy. Any Islamification of Western democracy negates Western democracy. Western democracy has been the benefit of the whole world in countless and profound ways. Shut it down and the whole world becomes like the Middle East.

Islam talks a good talk but the content is hypocritical, irrational and inconsistent and in many ways immoral. It is not a peaceful religion. More than talk is needed. Moral consistency is needed. It is not found in islam.

Pomerol - 2/7/2006

Yes it is a good article. But maybe some will just say she has lost her religion......

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/7/2006

I agree with Pomerol. I have tried the same here.... think its database problems

Pomerol - 2/7/2006

I'm not sure. But I don't think it was an intended censorship. Several posts have been deleted. Probably do to a tecnical problem. But I'm clueless..

Proud to be an infidel - 2/7/2006

Sorry mate, a misunderstanding. Mine was a reply to the original poster, not yourself. ;)

peggy - 2/7/2006

Why were my replies to Hasan re Freedom to act deleted? Why was one of my original posts deleted? I believe it was called "We will redeem our prophet with our blood"

I cannot think of one thing that I said that was grossly offensive or hateful. I was trying to help the muslims who are reading here to understand how hypocritcal and immature their religion is compared to the only other faith that I know well, Christianity.

My intention was to open their eyes to the lies and denials and to see a need to reform their religion particularly in light of Hasan's comment that islam had never disrespected Judaism or Christianity or Moses or Jesus. I listed all the ways in which both Judaism and Christianity was always disrespected by muslims in thought word and deed. This post was erased.

Why? I can find posts here that have a much angrier spirit than the ones that I left. Why were my comments singled out for deletion????? Why was I censored on a page dedicated to fight censorship particularly when my comments were not in any way hateful but intended with a spirit of helpfulness???

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/7/2006

I was not denying what you thought I was denying. I Simply wasn't sure if the #1 donor ranking was correct or not. I did google it quickly, and found out as listed here:

http://hnn.us/readcomment.php?id=77695&;bheaders=1#77695

Proud ionfidel, too :-)

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/7/2006

The followinf article is written by muslim journalist.... this is really Food for thought and it brings hope back in to my mind

http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2006/01/a_mountain_out.php

please both muslims and non-muslims read it and think.

Mikkel Pind - 2/7/2006

There's a lot of incorrect info in this thread. 5-10.000 muslims in Denmark??? There are more than 200.000!
About the drawings. Take a look at the millions of picture-links and see for your self which drawings are from Jyllands-posten. The "tour de Islam" performed by a Danish Imam delegation was saying that they represented all muslims in Denmark which was not true at all. They represent 5.000 muslims. They spread cartoons of the profet with a pigs nose and a praying muslim having sex with a dog to give the impression that it is how Danes in generel are perceiving muslims... All they where trying to do was to give the impression of how important they are in Denmark ("representing" that many muslims in DK) and to be "Mr. Islam".

There are already investigations of who did what and it will lead to prosecution if it can be proven.

I find that those "danish" muslim representatives touring the middle east are the worst of all. Why? Because they know why JP published the article (to debate the situation of a writter who could not get his childrensbook about the prophet depicted) and they also purposely lied about the situation in Denmark. The people living in muslim countries are all living in dictatorships and therefore the would never really know how it is in Denmark and why the drawings were printed. Those people are just blinded and not really to blame because they live in a dictatorship.

If everything becomes sacred to debate or depict, there wil be no jokes, no art, no music, no actions what so ever will be legal. And we will live in a world dictated by the minds of old priests rather than constitutional laws based on science and the fundamental right of the individual.

Katrine - 2/7/2006

As a dane I am SO glad to finally hear from a muslim who is not an extremist! I was beginning to lose faith, when all I ever see is muslims burning my flag and yelling that I should be killed.

Thank you for sharing your view on the matter.

Katrine - 2/7/2006

To Othman;

I understand that you feel that the boycott is a symbolic way of expressing you anger, and I comepletely respect that. However, this whole case is only hurting innocent people, and I do not understand why you feel that not buying any products from Denmark will help to show you disapproval of the editor of the newspaper?
One last thing, I would like to add that there has been filed a lawsuit against the newspaper by -danes-. Not everyone in Denmark agrees with the newspaper.

Katrine - 2/7/2006

"It’s ironic that a Muslim artist in Brussels has created a poster which depicts the Virgin Mary with nude breasts — hardly unusual, given how often such depictions appeared in the Middle Ages. Still, the nudity is likely to upset at least few Christians, but are any protesting? Are any making terrorist threats? Are any bishops demanding that the artist be punished? In fact, the artist it being subsidized by the Ministry for Culture in Belgium."

Besides, it is not uncommon in Denmark to see satirical drawings of religious icons (including Jesus), politicians, royalties or the like.

Katrine - 2/7/2006

That is an absolutely horrible rumour. Serves to show how corrupt this whole thing is, really.

Mikkel Pind - 2/7/2006

Not that I would pretend to know the profet that much, but I know that Islamic scriptures describes how the profet slept with under age girls. That must be the basis for what she is saying. And the reason why she thinks that it is a bad influence to whorship a person that did this... Is this a wrong intrepretation? Anyone?

West - 2/7/2006

Try this american scholar, Nasim Zehra, adjunct professor at School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS), Johns Hopkins University, Washington DC.

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&;section=0&article=77407&d=7&m=2&y=2006

Well its freedom of speech - but it surely sounds stupid! When will arab intellectuals start demanding change from within their corrupt societies?

Helene - 2/7/2006

Offense or no offense - you are killing because of a cartoon! Think about it, if you have the power of free thought - this must be the all time low of your religion! I'm sorry to witness it, because what can come after this?
You have no respect anywhere but within your own downtrotten and supressed comunities... The world just shook its head in disbelief...

Totally unreal!

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/7/2006

Sorry Hasan,
But I'm sure you know better that saying this... You said:
"How can a sane mind juxtapose two different things. We muslims (just like jews) dont like alcohol and pork (jeff jacoby knows better) we dont stop others eating it or drinking vine."
No Hasan but the difference to the HINDU is that the cow you are eating is holy to them.... you know HOLY like your dear muhammed is holy for you.... thats a BIG diffence...So actually the Hindu's could be very angry about you and me eating there holy animal. But you see its onbly holy to them....not to you and me....so its ok we eat cows both you and me...
And you see, your muhammed is only holy to you not to me...so its you who can not draw him, not me, I can draw him all I want, unless offcause you will stop eating cows... (/sarkasm off)

Dane - 2/7/2006

Stop the lies and get real - this is propaganda of the worst kind! Theres no need for this kind of arab intellectual breakdown!

You lack the period of enlightenment - thats why your societies are so backward - nothing can be questioned! Thats why we are succesful in the west - we question everything, even prophets and genocides - and we will keep doing it; the muslims that wants to stay in western society better get used to it or move somewhere else! Its that simple: we want to build tolerate societies with room for everybody - but theres no more room for religious extremism!

Bus - 2/7/2006

"Not every muslim is a terrorist, but most terrorist is muslims"

Dont go closing your eyes: there is no excuse for the reaction in the arab world - would it only be about the cartoons. Its not about a clash of civilization - its the radicals stiring up the snakes in the middle east, and "governments" letting steam out, appeasing the islamists: We must fight islamism with every mean possible - they are no better than the nazis.
If not the moderate muslims of islam comes forth, this will surely be the end (in some way or the other) for their religion - because it IS extremely violent deeds that are being laid out as true islam! The west must embrace the moderates and fight the radicals! Its the total lack of denounciation to all the Bin Laden types, that makes it impossible to distinguish the religion with the terror - the arab world is to blame; they let their religion being hijacked!

I'm not saying that people aren't allowed to be offended - I'm saying that they cant be allowed to take an entire nation (or several nations) hostage about what the free press is doing (we have the courts to deal with that!)
And they can't be allowed to take governments hostage - its savagery, and we are not going to tolerate it! Never! There will be war before that - but hopefully the people who lost control of any decent anger here, will wake up before they torch the last bit of respect for their religion in the west! The arab world is to blame - not a stupid cartoon - get real!

Go read this - this is why we are not caving in:

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/categorie/46044

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/7/2006

Dear Hasan,
I agree with you, there are many lost souls in every religion.
But by the way, you says that one should not blame all catholics if one catolic commits a crime.
Do you then think its ok to hold a whole country responsable for some drawings in one newspapers?? I sure you can see your own argument hits you.

And once more about the real problem with your religion: its reputation, I know that not all muslims are terrorist, but - and I'm sorry to say - most terrorist are muslims.... and the rest of the muslims in the world simply are spending all too many hours on explaining that its some how is fair those terrorist blow up themselves to kill innocent people, and that we have to understand them... thats among a lot of other thing is what gives your religion a bad reputation.

Hasan - 2/7/2006

To add to the comments of my friend Kenneth..Islam forbids all illegal relationships between men and women in that it understands the needs of humans and has allowed more than one marriage. Christianity also disallows and illegal relationship or extra-marital affairs. Islam has also made it binding upon muslims to refrain from alcohol as it has often resulted in crimes of incest, rape and disgrace...there is no "moon god" in islam this may be a greek or indian custom. We have only one god like the christians have. Our islamic calendars do work on moon sightings...the rape ratio is the least in muslim countries and amongst mulims. Most muslims are living in britain and till now i havent seen any such report of rape crimes against muslims(alhamdolillah (all praise to god)). Hope this helps in understanding muslims.

hasan - 2/7/2006

ISLAM AND TERRORISM

BY

DR. ZAKIR NAIK

MUSLIMS ARE FUNDAMENTALISTS AND TERRORISTS

Question:

Why are most of the Muslims fundamentalists and terrorists?

Answer:

This question is often hurled at Muslims, either directly or indirectly, during any discussion on religion or world affairs. Muslim stereotypes are perpetuated in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam and Muslims. In fact, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims. A case in point is the anti-Muslim campaign in the American media following the Oklahoma bomb blast, where the press was quick to declare a ‘Middle Eastern conspiracy’ behind the attack. The culprit was later identified as a soldier from the American Armed Forces.

Let us analyze this allegation of ‘fundamentalism’ and ‘terrorism’:

1. Definition of the word ‘fundamentalist’

A fundamentalist is a person who follows and adheres to the fundamentals of the doctrine or theory he is following. For a person to be a good doctor, he should know, follow, and practise the fundamentals of medicine. In other words, he should be a fundamentalist in the field of medicine. For a person to be a good mathematician, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of mathematics. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of mathematics. For a person to be a good scientist, he should know, follow and practise the fundamentals of science. He should be a fundamentalist in the field of science.

2. Not all ‘fundamentalists’ are the same

One cannot paint all fundamentalists with the same brush. One cannot categorize all fundamentalists as either good or bad. Such a categorization of any fund amentalist will depend upon the field or activity in which he is a fundamentalist. A fundamentalist robber or thief causes harm to society and is therefore undesirable. A fundamentalist doctor, on the other hand, benefits society and earns much respect.

3. I am proud to be a Muslim fundamentalist

I am a fundamentalist Muslim who, by the grace of Allah, knows, follows and strives to practise the fundamentals of Islam. A true Muslim does not shy away from being a fundamentalist. I am proud to be a fundamentalist Muslim because, I know that the fundamentals of Islam are beneficial to humanity and the whole world. There is not a single fundamental of Islam that causes harm or is against the interests of the human race as a whole. Many people harbour misconceptions about Islam and consider several teachings of Islam to be unfair or improper. This is due to insufficient and incorrect knowledge of Islam. If one critically analyzes the teachings of Islam with an open mind, one cannot escape the fact that Islam is full of benefits both at the individual and collective levels.

4. Dictionary meaning of the word ‘fundamentalist’

According to Webster’s dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ was a movement in American Protestanism that arose in the earlier part of the 20th century. It was a reaction to modernism, and stressed the infallibility of the Bible, not only in matters of faith and morals but also as a literal historical record. It stressed on belief in the Bible as the literal word of God. Thus fundamentalism was a word initially used for a group of Christians who believed that the Bible was the verbatim word of God without any errors and mistakes.

According to the Oxford dictionary ‘fundamentalism’ means ‘strict maintenance of ancient or fundamental doctrines of any religion, especially Islam’.

Today the moment a person uses the word fundamentalist he thinks of a Muslim who is a terrorist.

5. Every Muslim should be a terrorist

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.

6. Different labels given to the same individual for the same action, i.e. ‘terrorist’ and ‘patriot’

Before India achieved independence from British rule, some freedom fighters of India who did not subscribe to non-violence were labeled as terrorists by the British government. The same individuals have been lauded by Indians for the same activities and hailed as ‘patriots’. Thus two different labels have been given to the same people for the same set of actions. One is calling him a terrorist while the other is calling him a patriot. Those who believed that Britain had a right to rule over India called these people terrorists, while those who were of the view that Britain had no right to rule India called them patriots and freedom fighters.

It is therefore important that before a person is judged, he is given a fair hearing. Both sides of the argument should be heard, the situation should be analyzed, and the reason and the intention of the person should be taken into account, and then the person can be judged accordingly.

7. Islam means peace

Islam is derived from the word ‘salaam’ which means peace. It is a religion of peace whose fundamentals teach its followers to maintain and promote peace throughout the world.

Thus every Muslim should be a fundamentalist i.e. he should follow the fundamentals of the Religion of Peace: Islam. He should be a terrorist only towards the antisocial elements in order to promote peace and justice in the society.

WAS ISLAM SPREAD BY THE SWORD?

Question:

How can Islam be called the religion of peace when it was spread by the sword?

Answer:

It is a common complaint among some non-Muslims that Islam would not have millions of adherents all over the world, if it had not been spread by the use of force. The following points will make it clear, that far from being spread by the sword, it was the inherent force of truth, reason and logic that was responsible for the rapid spread of Islam.

1. Islam means peace.

Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt).

2. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace.

Each and every human being in this world is not in favour of maintaining peace and harmony. There are many, who would disrupt it for their own vested interests. Sometimes force has to be used to maintain peace. It is precisely for this reason that we have the police who use force against criminals and anti-social elements to maintain peace in the country. Islam promotes peace. At the same time, Islam exhorts it followers to fight where there is oppression. The fight against oppression may, at times, require the use of force. In Islam force can only be used to promote peace and justice.

3. Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book ’Islam at the cross road’ (Page 8):

’History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.’

4. Muslims ruled Spain for 800 years.

Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers.

5. 14 million Arabs are Coptic Christians.

Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

6. More than 80% non-Muslims in India.

The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword.

7. Indonesia and Malaysia.

Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, ’Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?’

8. East Coast of Africa.

Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, ’Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?’

9. Thomas Carlyle.

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book ’Heroes and Hero worship’, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: ’The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.’

10. No compulsion in religion.

With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur’an says in the following verse:

’Let there be no compulsion in religion:
Truth stands out clear from error’
[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

11. Sword of the Intellect.

It is the sword of intellect. The sword that conquers the hearts and minds of people. The Qur’an says in Surah Nahl, chapter 16 verse 125:

’Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching;
and argue with them in ways that are
best and most gracious.’
[Al-Qur’an 16:125]

12. Increase in the world religions from 1934 to 1984.

An article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986, gave the statistics of the increase of percentage of the major religions of the world in half a century from 1934 to 1984. This article also appeared in ‘The Plain Truth’ magazine. At the top was Islam, which increased by 235%, and Christianity had increased only by 47%. May one ask, which war took place in this century which converted millions of people to Islam?

13. Islam is the fastest growing religion in America and Europe.

Today the fastest growing religion in America is Islam. The fastest growing religion in Europe in Islam. Which sword is forcing people in the West to accept Islam in such large numbers?

hasan - 2/7/2006

"...Cant you se that you are in rage about a cartoon that implies that your religion is violent - and then you react like this!..."

Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book ’Islam at the cross road’ (Page 8):

’History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.’

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Thomas Carlyle:

The famous historian, Thomas Carlyle, in his book ’Heroes and Hero worship’, refers to this misconception about the spread of Islam: ’The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword? Every new opinion, at its starting is precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone. There it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.’

hasan - 2/7/2006

Jeff Jacoby is another extremist jew who blabbers for the "Boston Globe". In his recent attempt he has written an article called "We are all Danes now" in it he tries to give an example of cow slaughtering and how it causes pain to Hindus but they never retaliate and muslims have retorted to simple cartoons....

How can a sane mind juxtapose two different things. We muslims (just like jews) dont like alcohol and pork (jeff jacoby knows better) we dont stop others eating it or drinking vine. That would have been a saner comparison; but since the article is meant to demonize muslims just like the cartoons jacoby goes on and on without opening his eyes.

"more than a decade ago, a film called The Last Temptation of Christ showed Jesus making love to a woman. In Paris, someone set fire to the cinema showing the movie, killing a young man. " (Robert Fisk)

Proud to be an Infidel - 2/7/2006

*sigh*

Why do some people insist on not using their brain (or indeed tools as simple as Google)?

Say there our arabic 'friend' (note how I automatically assume you are arab) undertake a little research into "deniers". Believe it or not, in spite of the dearth of evidence corroborating this horific event, there are still some (not in jail) who dispute various aspects. For starters, consider this link:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/genocide/deniers_07.shtml

To my mind, disputing the holocaust is like calling the world flat. Hurt feelings notwithstanding, I'd feel pretty foolish making the contention.

For fun, try this: Submit an opinion piece to your local muslim newspaper denying the 'holocaust' wrought on India during the repeated muslim campaigns there.

Be sure to write and tell us all about your experience!

hasan - 2/7/2006

"Muhammed established his religion via Plunder (see Google: plunder history) and demanded some, what Westerners would consider, goofy rules to be followed."

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Opinion of historian De Lacy O’Leary.

The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O’Leary in the book ’Islam at the cross road’ (Page 8):

’History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated.’

Hasan - 2/7/2006

Nice comments...i was listening to a danish ambassador's comments they were somewhat similar...

If you murder my son will i go on murdering you...if a con escapes prison will the police go and capture his family. Likewise; if some lost souls adopt the wrong path would you be treating the entire muslim race as wrongfull; if that is the case then for every crime committed by a catholic all catholics would be put to task; if a christian commits a crime will i go on blaming christ. Why? What did he do to deserve this. In the same way you cannot put blame of a handfull wrongdoers to entire muslim community or even Prophet Muhammad.. There are lost souls in every religion and in every nook and corner of this world.

hasan - 2/7/2006

Robert Fisk: This Isn't Islam Versus Secularism
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We can exercise our own hypocrisy over religious feelings. I happen to remember, more than a decade ago, a film called The Last Temptation of Christ.

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By: Robert Fisk

So now it's cartoons of the Prophet Mohamed with a bomb-shaped turban. Ambassadors are withdrawn from Denmark, Gulf nations clear their shelves of Danish produce, Gaza gunmen threaten the European Union. In Denmark, Fleming Rose, the "culture" editor of the pip-squeak newspaper which published these silly cartoons - last September, for heaven's sake - announces that we are witnessing a "clash of civilizations" between secular Western democracies and Islamic societies. This does prove, I suppose, that Danish journalists follow in the tradition of Hans Christian Anderson. Oh lordy, lordy. What we're witnessing is the childishness of civilizations.

So let's start off with the Department of Home Truths. This is not an issue of secularism versus Islam. For Muslims, the Prophet is the man who received divine words directly from God. We see our prophets as faintly historical figures, at odds with our high-tech human rights, almost caricatures of themselves. The fact is that Muslims live their religion. We do not. They have kept their faith through innumerable historical vicissitudes. We have lost our faith ever since Matthew Arnold wrote about the sea's "long, withdrawing roar". That's why we talk about "the West versus Islam" rather than "Christians versus Islam" - because there aren't an awful lot of Christians left in Europe. There is no way we can get round this by setting up all the other world religions and asking why we are not allowed to make fun of Mohamed.

Besides, we can exercise our own hypocrisy over religious feelings. I happen to remember how, more than a decade ago, a film called The Last Temptation of Christ showed Jesus making love to a woman. In Paris, someone set fire to the cinema showing the movie, killing a young man. I also happen to remember a US university which invited me to give a lecture three years ago. I did. It was entitled "September 11, 2001: ask who did it but, for God's sake, don't ask why". When I arrived, I found that the university had deleted the phrase "for God's sake" because "we didn't want to offend certain sensibilities". Ah-ha, so we have "sensibilities" too.

In other words, while we claim that Muslims must be good secularists when it comes to free speech - or cheap cartoons - we can worry about adherents to our own precious religion just as much. I also enjoyed the pompous claims of European statesmen that they cannot control free speech or newspapers. This is also nonsense. Had that cartoon of the Prophet shown instead a chief rabbi with a bomb-shaped hat, we would have had "anti-Semitism" screamed into our ears - and rightly so - just as we often hear the Israelis complain about anti-Semitic cartoons in Egyptian newspapers.

Furthermore, in some European nations - France is one, Germany and Austria are among the others - it is forbidden by law to deny acts of genocide. In France, for example, it is illegal to say that the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Holocaust did not happen. So it is, in fact, impermissable to make certain statements in European nations. I'm still uncertain whether these laws attain their objectives; however much you may prescribe Holocaust denial, anti-Semites will always try to find a way round. We can hardly exercise our political restraints to prevent Holocaust deniers and then start screaming about secularism when we find that Muslims object to our provocative and insulting image of the Prophet.
For many Muslims, the "Islamic" reaction to this affair is an embarrassment. There is good reason to believe that Muslims would like to see some element of reform introduced to their religion. If this cartoon had advanced the cause of those who want to debate this issue, no-one would have minded. But it was clearly intended to be provocative. It was so outrageous that it only caused reaction.

And this is not a great time to heat up the old Samuel Huntingdon garbage about a "clash of civilizations". Iran now has a clerical government again. So, to all intents and purposes, does Iraq (which was not supposed to end up with a democratically elected clerical administration, but that's what happens when you topple dictators). In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood won 20 per cent of the seats in the recent parliamentary elections. Now we have Hamas in charge of "Palestine". There's a message here, isn't there? That America's policies - "regime change" in the Middle East - are not achieving their ends. These millions of voters were preferring Islam to the corrupt regimes which we imposed on them.

For the Danish cartoon to be dumped on top of this fire is dangerous indeed. In any event, it's not about whether the Prophet should be pictured. The Koran does not forbid images of the Prophet even though millions of Muslims do. The problem is that these cartoons portrayed Mohamed as a bin Laden-type image of violence. They portrayed Islam as a violent religion. It is not. Or do we want to make it so?
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Source: The Independent

Rick (Dane) - 2/7/2006

How much is a ton in $? :D

Well, I guess you are not about to wire them to my own account, but if you would really like to use them on yourself, I would recommend B&O for starters. A tv, some speakers etc., perhaps their mobilephone (aprox 1400$ for the mobilephone). B&O used to have a store on Rodeo Drive, not sure if it is still there.

Secondly I would recommend danish design furnitures, which you would find almost all over the US and Canada.

And finally you could spend some money on danish design clothes, but hard to get in the US, primarily exported to the nordic region, germany and italy etc. But I am sure they could ship as well :D

If you would rather help and at the same time make some more money, you could buy danish shares or even envite or help danish companies into the american market.

Good luck! And thanks for the support.

Slater - 2/7/2006

That's a great idea. Let's boycott international violence ;)

Bus - 2/7/2006

The ones that are really going to be sorry - is the muslim world, when they realize that they just torched a lot of their support for their causes (like the palestinian).

If theres anything positive in this - it must be that so many countries after this, have a zero tolerance for islamism and radical imams preaching hate: we are going to isolate it and extinguish it - slowly and painfully - Islam HAS to become a peaceful religion; not only, as it is now, in its own deluted selfunderstanding!

Slater - 2/7/2006

We wouldn't dream of it. That would hurt the wrong people.

And what do you mean IF it's true? Of course it is :P

Slater - 2/7/2006

I didn't say that they were Austrian BECAUSE of the name. But they ARE supposedly Austrian, not Danish. According to several encyclopaedia I've read, Danish pastry was brought to Denmark by Viennese bakers.

If you have anything valid to disprove this, show me. If not, stop being a jackass.

Gary - 2/7/2006

Quote: "thats clearly just your opinion and you are all ignorant"

Yes Cassie, we are all ignorant because we refuse to be brain washed by religious fanatics.

Gary - 2/7/2006

Quote: "I'll have you know, had you really got it from the Holy Quran you would have realised that 9:5 merely talks about how Allah is forgiving (after all, we are only human)and that one should observe prayer."

My ignorance? OK, but I will not call you ignorant, as I understand the "brain-washed" society you come from. Do you deny that this passage is from your Holy Quran?

"...fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."

Yes, if all of us convert to Islam, you will be merciful to us and accept us as equals. Even Bin Laden offered that olive branch.

Another Dane - 2/7/2006

I am sorry too, but for different things.

I am sorry that so many western contries were so slow to announce their support of Jyllands Posten. I am sorry that some companies posted "we are not danish" adds in Arabian media. I am sorry that islamic people are so introllrant.

Quote:
"HINDUS CONSIDER it sacrilegious to eat meat from cows, so when a Danish supermarket ran a sale on beef and veal last fall, Hindus everywhere reacted with outrage. India recalled its ambassador to Copenhagen, and Danish flags were burned in Calcutta, Bombay, and Delhi. A Hindu mob in Sri Lanka severely beat two employees of a Danish-owned firm, and demonstrators in Nepal chanted: ''War on Denmark! Death to Denmark!"In many places, shops selling Dansk china or Lego toys were attacked by rioters, and two Danish embassies were firebombed.

It didn't happen, of course."

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/02/05/we_are_all_danes_now/

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Patrick Henry: "Give me liberty, or give me death."

Serge von Hoch - 2/7/2006

" Palestinian" "regugees" problem is a tragedy?
So, maybe Arab states should gave them citizenship? Israel did it for million real Jewish refugees from Arab countries.

Gary - 2/7/2006

Quote: "You have been manipulated into believing what you have heard and read rather than finding out the facts. Propaganda has really had an impact on you, and you carry on falling for it. Ha!!!"

And my dear, I know where YOUR information comes from also. Of course your Imams are the ONLY ones authorized to interpret your writings:

"While dealing and/or refuting Christian missionaries, Muslims must refuse to accept the so-called Tabarî and Ibn Ishaq’s quotes and/or reference since it is always from the BIASED English translation done by a non-Muslim (mainly Orientalist or a zealot Christian missionary). Thereafter, Muslims must demand a complete and accurate quote from Tabari’s and/or Ibn Ishaq’s books directly, provided they are in harmony with the teachings of Islaam found in Glorious Qur'an, Sunnah (including authentic Ahadeeth صحيح احاديث. This rule must be used and/or applied on all others quotes and/or references used by anti-Islaam forces as well."

Watch out for those Christian zealots!

Gary - 2/7/2006

Quote: "That being said, we can talk about who occupied the lands in antiquity all we want; in fact, I do think your facts about the Hellenic origins of Palestinians is correct.

But using antiquity and religious history as the foundation for the way today's maps are drawn are as specious and problematic for Israel's case as they are for Philistines/Palestinians. The basis for Israel, Zionism, is steeped more in politics than it is in religion."

I respect your comments, not that I agree with all of them though. It is nice to discuss this with an educated person. Thanks.

Gary - 2/7/2006

Quote: "shit they should fuck the dutch up some more..."

Your ignorance is only outweighed by your filthy mouth.

Gary - 2/7/2006

Quote: "funny!! your idea of the 'quran' are stupid quotes by a stupid guy called tabari!!!"

Stupid guy? The Ta’rikh is the oldest, most trusted, and comprehensive history of Islam’s formation and Muhammad’s example, called Sunnah. It was compiled by Tabari. His History of al-Tabari is formatted like the Bible. It begins with Islamic creation and ends with the acts of Muhammad’s companions. Tabari also composed Islam’s most revered Ta’fir, or commentary, on the Qur’an. He was the dogma’s first scholar. His history serves to explain Allah’s Recital and Muhammad’s Sunnah by way of his compilation’s Hadith.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/7/2006

I am so sorry you feel that way!

Do you really want a mob of fanatics thousands of miles away to tell you how to live your life?

Look at how much your country gives to those fanatics so they can improve their lives:

http://www.undp.org/mdg/donorcountryreports.html

http://www.undp.org/mdg/donorcountryreports.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donations_for_victims_of_the_2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/7/2006

Not only the U.S. but Canada, Australia, all of Europe, and any nation that cherishes freedom.

What Muslims don't realize is how much credibility and support they have lost in the last two weeks. I feel sad for moderates who can’t do a thing, because they can truly be killed by the fanatics. We heard about the brave Jordanian editors who published the cartoons asking people to look at them and to be logical. They were fired, and arrested. Jordan’s king is wiser than that, but he is under huge pressure from the fanatics.

There is a saying in Arabic that goes: “ra7ema allaho emre’en 3arafa qadr nafseh”
Loosely translated: “God loves the one who know his limitations”. In other words, be reasonable with what you try to accomplish.

They think losing 1.1% of a rich country's GDP will make it go down on its knees? Well, I have news for them; Denmark might see a boost to its GDP in 2006 if they keep pissing us off. Danish stuff never tasted better before ;-)

Sune Jensen - 2/7/2006

I am SO sorry about what JP has done to Denmarks reputation in the Muslim countries in economical matter and freedom of speech (F.O.S) and tolerance of religions. I am now afraid what som maniac should do in Copenhagen. There are we going ? Are the Muslims the winners ??

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/7/2006

Major companies? Hmmmmm, this is thirld world, Raj. No Major companies. Just oil, and more oil.

If it's true that Denmark is a big donnor to the Muslim world, I think it just makes sense to suspend those donations, and direct them to those who lost their jobs as a result of the boycott. And NO, I don't think anyone expects them to be nice, and turn the other cheek.

hilmi - 2/7/2006

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/fasting/tajuddin/fast_75.html

Here is a meaning of the 8:12 if you have time to read.

- 2/7/2006

I am not quite sure you can boycott while all world tied up to oil resources.Russia is one of the resource and globalism not want to get into Russia market becuase of western/US do not want to powerfull Russia.Even Russia pumps oil, China can easily buy out whatever you or any other country buys from middle east.I do not think you can come up with boycotting oil.I am muslim and there is no solution on oil because all the money from oil making by multinational companies which based in US,England and Holland.These companies do not care politics,religion or any other value.If technology can not come up with any other resource, we all dependent on oil.And boycotting the oil makes this problem beyond your borders and it will get more conflict than now.Only way that i see is opening dialog which considering Danish PM to muslim world and trying(not ignoring as he did at the first place) your basics and finding the way for future not happen again if we want to have a peace in communities.

2AR - 2/6/2006

Don't give in to racist-terrorists
and boycott all muslim countries products ...oh - that's right - the greatest products are oil and international violence

2AR - 2/6/2006

Don't give in to racist-terrorists
and boycott all muslim countries products ...oh - that's right - the greatest products are oil and international violence

Raj - 2/6/2006

I'm troubled by the hypocrisy of the media and the conservatives, when it comes to wanton provocation of this rabid, primitive cult. A mainstream publication wouldn't publish an ugly anti-semitic or anti-hindu or anti-scientology cartoon, so why insult the nutters unnecessarily? The only way to de-fang this murderous cult is to liberate and empower the women of Islam.

Arab-moslems are in a league of their own, when it comes to murderous outbursts, as 1400 years of their history has proved. Only the Germans even come close ;)

Anyway, the priority now is that the countries that are boycotting noble, generous, little Denmark (top donor nation in the world, as a percentage of its GDP...ironically, a lot of it going to the moslem world) need to be boycotted here in America. Can you guys create a list of whos doing the boycotting and what the major companies are in those countries?

Wendy - 2/6/2006

Can someone give me a complete list of Danish products that I can buy? I have a ton of money I made in oil stocks and don't want the sand monkey flag burners to get another penny of it.

Andrey - 2/6/2006

Don't worry, Muslims never win! They did not win single war since 16th Century. They typically resort to killig civilians. They spread hatred and cause trouble, that's their war.

Not to say I don't need their troubles either.

Andrey - 2/6/2006

"Lebanon is not a terror-supporting country. Lebanon is %40 Christian, and was 70% Christian 30 years ago."

This is another interestinf fact. Why it was 70% christians and now 30%? Because "peace-loving" muslims killed great #s of Christians in Leanon. This happend in 20th Century - our time.

Andrey - 2/6/2006

"i want to assure that most the Muslims saw the offended pictures and others could not bear viewing others.."

I wonder where did they see the pictures? Do they read Danish Newspapers?

"U will regret what u have written in the DOOMSDAY"

Besides, your EMail is great demonstration of Muslim approach - you do not like what I said and youresort to threats. Not to the discussion, the dialog but to the threats. Is it what you prophet tought you? Shame on both your prophet, you and the likes.

Gary - 2/6/2006

Quote: "stop buying mid-east oil - see how long the radical racsists last"

You raise a good point here. I have heard that the second largest oil reserves are in Russia. Why don't we see more Russian oil on the market?

Gary - 2/6/2006

The mood here is, "Buy more products from Denmark". In fact, send us more products so we can support you more. Again I say, God bless Denmark!!!

Gary - 2/6/2006

Quote: " Man, is your economy going to fall! "

Not gonna happen. Here in America we will buy all the Danish products we can get our hands on. In fact, I'm going out tonight to look for more Danish products. God bless Denmark!!!

Ahmed - 2/6/2006

You said it Laila " guests should behave as guests" or something like that AD YOU HAD IT ALL WRONG; as this might be the source of your problems as I guess you are talking about "Danish " people with middle eastern origins. As long as you do not intergrate them and look only at them as "guests" you clearly have shown to what category you belong, and why you are "tired of them"...

Shame

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/6/2006

Thanks for giving me a few more years to live, Moon. I was worried you were going to make me regret my words now by beheading me.

And thanks for confirming that your loyalty is to your religion first.

Gary - 2/6/2006

Quote: " i do not know how daring u r in talking about muslims and Imams!!"

Well, I for one am not afraid of you or any others of Islamic violent nature. The nature of Islam is in your books, and it is not necessary to go beyond that.

Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/6/2006

All self respecting societies will restrain themselves from mocking people they tortured or killed in the past. That applies to the holocaust in Germany, and the black/white racism in the USA.

That is due to the "guilt" factor, not because they do not believe in freedom of speech.

That said, if the topic came up for a debate, they CAN participate. The choice was made by the people themselves to restrain themselves. Here, today, we have a religion based thousands of miles away trying to tell the world what it can and can’t do.

Morocco - 2/6/2006

This is what radicals on both side want exactely draw us into this battle over apples and carrots, and prejudices .
If you are to compare the reaction of Christians and Jews to similar drawings on their prophets please concentrate your efforts on analyzing the reaction of the people who practice fervently and especially the radicals among them (such as the killer of the Israeli late prime minister Itsaak Rabin, or the US CHRISTIAN Radical who bombed the FBI building in Oklahoma)...
Of course if your intention is only to argument in one sense without taking time to filtrate your prejudices, it would only lead to dreadful conclusions ....
Shame...

Gary - 2/6/2006

Quote: "We do not need ur appology, nor anything else from u or ur country. with our boycotting, ur country will not survive long.. And u will see latter!!!"

I doubt this very much. We in America support Denmark and we will buy Danish products until our homes are stuffed with them. God bless Denmark!!!

- 2/6/2006

could u show us the draxings of moses posted by the Saudis, I more than doubt it as we muslims believe in him as a prophet and jesus too and we certainly would not allow ourselves this direspectful act.

- 2/6/2006

Hey, for your info FRANCE -a democratic country i suppose- DOES NOT ALLOW MUSLIM WOMEN TO WEAR THEIR VEIL IN SCHOOL (so many are not attending any more). I live in Morocco and we have many churches around the major cities where christians live and the Cross is even omnipresent in the architecture itself...So please don't ignite the fire, try to search for peace and teh right info instead...

Gary - 2/6/2006

Quote: " i am here to ask u to read books written by MUSLIMS in order to reach what is Islam and who is the Mohammad.."

OK, let's start with the Koran:

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 47:4 “So, when you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle, smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah took down the People of the Scripture Book (Jews). He cast terror into their hearts. Some you slew, and some you made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, giving you a land which you had not traversed before.”

Qur’an 5:51 “Believers, take not Jews and Christians for your friends. They are but friends and protectors to each other.”

Qur’an 8:67 “It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land.”

Last but not least:

Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.” Ishaq:465 “When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us.”

Mick - 2/6/2006

Its not the case in denmark - I think germany has pretty tight laws!

Maybe its a problem with the wide perception of free speech in denmark (we have to put up with Hisb'ut Tahrir death threats and Neo-nazi idiots) - but in the end, we know who's the fool; and thats better than keeping something under pressure, that might explode (as you see in political correct Sweden)

- 2/6/2006

Let's try this expermient: one of you guys or a "free" journalist writes an article stating that he/she doubts there was really something such as holocaust suffered by the Jewish people and that the figures of the jewish killed were inflated...and lets us see the result od such an assumption (or free speech)--->not only will you be harrassed by many parties but also put to JAIL...
I do not believe the figures were inflated , but my point is there are boudaries between free speech and the respect of others' historical memories, beliefs, and religions...it just happens that a person who would assume that on HOLOCAUST will be jailed...and the disrespectful Cartoonist won't be blamed under the pretext of FREEDOM OF SPEECH....

Thank you so much for the list of Danish products, I will spread it around for Boycott.

- 2/6/2006

Well, this is par-for-the-course for these "peaceful" muslims. Say, or do something that offends their delicate sensibilities, and it's off with your heads. Is violence the only way these morons are capable of expressing themselves? If so, most of the West is more than able to speak to them in terms that they can understand. I say, if these f-ing piss ants want to dance, then let's dance. I'm tired of trying to understand them. They are totally and completely incapable of living in a civilised society.

Rick (Dane) - 2/6/2006

We do not get FOX in DK.

Besides the european stations we get CNN, no CBS, ABC, NBC or FOX or HBO for that matter :D

Bus - 2/6/2006

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/categorie/46044

Mick - 2/6/2006

Watched it on their internet-video - I guess his treason (and his fellow imams), is pretty public by now!

the truth - 2/6/2006

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Dane - 2/6/2006

Ok - what I meant was to isolate the radicals. I think figthing fire with fire, will surely remove Laban (the traitor) and the others - but we are civilized, so they should be isolated and kept under survaillance!

And ok - if a storeowner is stupid enough to boycot danish goods - well let him be boycotted!

Peace!

gomets - 2/6/2006

Going backwards:

"Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass."

You make it sound like that 0.1% holds as much significance to Arabs as the other 99.9%. But that 0.1% contains, among other things, Jerusalem, the third holiest city in Islam because, incidentally, of its role in Muhammad's life. Of course, not all Arabs are Muslim, but the ones with political power in the region are, and for them the land of Israel holds as much significance as it does for the other two Abrahamic faiths. For Palestinians, not all of whom are Muslim, it may also have religious significance, but it may also matter to them simply because it is their homeland.

That being said, we can talk about who occupied the lands in antiquity all we want; in fact, I do think your facts about the Hellenic origins of Palestinians is correct.

But using antiquity and religious history as the foundation for the way today's maps are drawn are as specious and problematic for Israel's case as they are for Philistines/Palestinians. The basis for Israel, Zionism, is steeped more in politics than it is in religion.

From this article (http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/journal/9012_corrigan.asp),

“For religious Jews the restoration of Zion could only be brought about by divine intervention; human attempts to reestablish Israel were heretical.”

In other words, no Jew is out waving biblical-era property records in order to stake his claim to Israel. The main basis for those claims going that far back would have to be based on religious dogma. But it is hard to argue that today's state of Israel is the rightful destiny of the adherents of Judaism who lived there in antiquity when some of today’s most observant Jews argue that it is against divine prophecy, i.e. not how it is supposed to be.
That leaves as the only other arguments for Israel’s existence political ones, ones of this century’s creation: that European powers felt guilty about how they had treated Jews over the centuries; that they felt guilty about Holocaust; that Europeans, perhaps, felt that Jews could not ever adjust to living within European society; and that America and Britain had powerful Jewish lobbies. Palestinians (or whoever may have been living in Palestine) back in the day were made to pay the price for other people’s mistakes, oversight, and indifference.

Lastly, the Qur'an says what it says. But be careful of quoting verses out of context just because they sound like they suit your needs. This is the same thing crazed jihadists do to back up their claims. Much of the Qur’an’s revelations were meant as responses to situations on the ground at the time. I think a more accurate translation of 5:78 is

“Those of the Children of Israel who went astray [La’analladhina kafuru min bunnee Isra’eela – kafuru is ‘who went astray’ and min is ‘from, from among’] were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they rebelled and used to transgress.”

This quote does nothing to illustrate “who took that land away from the Jews, and the manner in which it was done”; it says that David and Jesus admonished Jews (or, alternatively, the descendants of Israel [Jacob]) because they apparently disobeyed God’s laws repeatedly. Your second quote from Tabari (a historian, NOT Qur’an, for the uninitiated) is similarly neither-here-nor-there, talking about the Jews living near Medina. Your third quote similarly talks about the Qurayza, one of three major Jewish tribes living in the Hejaz at the time of Muhammad. Remember, Muhammad is talking relative blasphemy in a society populated by heathen Arab tribes and monotheistic Jewish ones. Both would have been out to squash him and his followers, ruthlessly if necessary, just like the Jewish rabbis and Romans who were threatened by Jesus' message. Gruesome and violent and lamentable time that it was, it was a time of war.

There is a lot said about Jews in the Qur’an, but a lot of it relates to the Jews of the time of Muhammad, who happened to apparently be the major roadblocks against Islam’s nascent spread; some of it relates to how they, along with Christians, were recipients of the same messages (Taurat and Injeel) who refused to heed them or leave them unchanged. For one verse that warns to not befriend them (probably because, at the time, they were hostile and full of ridicule), there is one telling Muhammad’s followers to be patient with them or allowing them to marry one another.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/6/2006

Who in their right mind watches CNN anymore? Have you heard of FOX News?

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/6/2006

Dane,
I am not labeling all Muslims as extremists by any means. I am arguing that the minority that supports hurting Denmark is who we should boycott.

Our disagreement stems from your hope that extremists can change and become civilized without a reason. I don’t think that tolerance is doing it for them. They know very well the grace and tolerance of the Danish people, as that is the reason they left their countries and moved to Denmark.

The imam abu laban was kicked out of several Muslim countries because of his extremist views:

http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/06/nrrebro-clams-up-on-gang-shootings.html#c111783750464430703

Dane - 2/6/2006

I think the discussion here is against blaming US, and saying thanks for your support! Right? Or did I just turn arab!?

;-)

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/6/2006

I respectfully disagree. Those people are trying to hurt Denmark which at this time is being targeted by one fifth of the world because of it's stance.

Boycotting is a symbolic act to show support of a certain ideology. The Danish products boycott is meant to force the brave Danes to apologize for practicing a most basic right, and that ideology should not be allowed to win.

If they live among non-Muslims, I don't expect them to agree with us, but I will not accept their attempts to hurt us either. That's where I draw the line.

Dane - 2/6/2006

Well you stupid radical: we are not going to set our world ablaze - we are going to expect the moderate muslims of our societies to turn their back on the radical imams (in big numbers), and then there will be a real place for an european version of Islam that respects freedom of speech and womens rights: This has already cost us too much not to react wisely: I think the moderate islami revolution CAN start in denmark; if we are clever not to judge an entire community on the actions of a few dark imams. These imams have no more place in our society after their untolerable lies about denmark to the crazies of the middle east - we are going to escort them to the airport! They REALLY stabbed denmark in the back...

Slater - 2/6/2006

Yeah... after condemning us all to hell for weeks.

Slater - 2/6/2006

No, I'm dead serious. NEVER seen them or heard of them. And now I find out the whole world knows us for them?

Damn. I should probably be embarrassed.

Mohammad Moussa - 2/6/2006

Boycott muslim businesses is only fair. To blame an entire country for what one independent newspaper publishes is absurd.

Chirstians/freedom fighters you need to fight fire with fire not turn the other cheek

Dane - 2/6/2006

Maybe this is where we show our civilized mind - turning the other cheek, and reach out to our fellow, the moderate muslim, to slowly and painstakingly put an end to this radical imam-madness! We must defeat these inhuman religious idiots with our intellect, patience and good will!

Lets gather for this double effort to make the world better!

Gary - 2/6/2006

Quote: "MUSLIM FRIENDS IN THE WORLD PLEASE BOYCOTT THE DANISH PRODUCTS."

Were you born ignorant or did it develop over time? The next time a Muslim person performs an offensive act of violence anywhere in the world, we will simply hold back the millions of dollars that the west provides developing Islamic countries.

M.T. - 2/6/2006

Well sorry Clinton - we used to think the world of you... but you know, that was just TO appeasing (you could at least had taken a double stand defending freedom of speech): who's paying you know? I know that scandinavians wont!

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/6/2006

Any business owned by a muslim who supports the boycott in any European or American city should be boycott. If you know of one, post the name and address here. Put the country and city in the subject.

jack - 2/6/2006

don't you see Maha, that the West will never lad you destroy a ally.
You are diging you own grave.

Jakob - 2/6/2006

Hypocrisy on CNN

CNN wont show these silly cartoons, but they just showed fare worse Arabic cartoons.
Really or full anti-Semitic cartoons.
Whose pocket are they in…Do the Arabic nations really generate so much money…They do show many commercials from Saudi Arabia, Dubai etc.

Dane - 2/6/2006

"Unconditional support", and the prime ministers handling of the situation (trying to get in dialogue with the angry mob), is deemed excellent!

That just turned my evening a little bit less gloomy!

Gary - 2/6/2006

I hope you don't seriously blame America ! That'snot much better than what the muslims are doing. Americans are behind the Danes no matter we support you !!!

Moon - 2/6/2006

Dear Andrey and Ensan
i am a muslim and i do not know how daring u r in talking about muslims and Imams!!
i want to assure that most the Muslims saw the offended pictures and others could not bear viewing others..
ALSO i want toassure u again that we are not following only what the Imams are saying bUT our Creator, The Prophet (PBUH) and the Holy Book..
Ensan or free human ! believe me our loyality is for Allah then for the Prophet then for our country..etc.

U will regret what u have written in the DOOMSDAY

hilmi - 2/6/2006

Terrorists are terrorists. There are Moslem, Jewish, Christian terrorists and terrorists from other groups. In the 60s the Red Brigade from Italy wreaked terror. Incredible terror was also perpetrated by the German terror group Bader-Meinhoff. In Northern Ireland we had the IRA and other paramilitary groups using terror as a political weapon.

Terrorists in Corsica harassed the French; in Spain we still have terror from the Basques; in South America, we have the Shining Path in Peru and of course the governments of Argentina, Chile and others which perpetrated terror against their own citizens. It is therefore wrong to use the activities of a few people to tag Islam with terrorism.

Jihad has been misunderstood. In fact there are two types of Jihad. The first which can be called the High Jihad imposes self-discipline on the faithful and the other, is for defensive purposes. You can declare Jihad to defend yourself. What some groups do is to consider themselves as being under attack and then declare Jihad as a self-defence mechanism.

Some of these groups loosely define Jihad as, "we are under attack politically, economically, culturally and militarily" and for which reason they have to defend themselves. It is a perception. Much of the Jihad is very self-centred. Let me make it clear that suicide bombers are purely political and anti-Islamic. Why? Because Islam pays a great deal of attention to the human body and indeed every living thing.

Islam demands that you take care of your body. You must not do anything to hurt your body. You must be healthy to contribute to society, for this reason, suicide is forbidden in Islam. Suicide bombers are emotional and the martyrdom they seek is political. They think that by committing suicide, they become martyrs, but in reality, Islam forbids suicide.

This is Islam and the press and people of EU want to see only extremes.

- 2/6/2006

we can't speek about liberty and freedom of the media
your freedom finishes when the liberty of others begins

hilmi - 2/6/2006

“When the LORD your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the LORD your God delivers them before you and you defeat them, then you shall utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them and show no favor to them. (Deutronomy 7:1-2)

“When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you… Only in the cities of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you shall not leave alive anything that breathes (Deuteronomy 20:10-17)

Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)

“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence. (Luke 19:26-27)

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Matthew 10:34-35)

Also there are much worst in judism.

Patti - 2/6/2006

I will make a big effort to buy Danish products. Have already bought TONS of Legos! We live in a Southern California beach town and have Trader Joe's and Bristol Farms ... will go there today and start shopping for Danish products. Take care of yourselves ... these people are crazed with hatred and are very dangerous.

Maha - 2/6/2006

We do not need ur appology, nor anything else from u or ur country. with our boycotting, ur country will not survive long.. And u will see latter!!!
We are one Arabic Nation that is able to stand by itself.. Our strong faith in Allah and our love for the prophet peace be upon him will unite us against U !!

Ren - 2/6/2006

I am also happy our government backed you up. As you know Americans are made up of people from all over the world, when we see a country like Denmark or Germany or France or the UK having trouble many of us feel the need to respond. You're family it is that simple.

faith - 2/6/2006

O brothers.. I am another Muslim girl. i want from all of u to read books (real books) about Islam to know what is Islam,, WHo is Allah,, And WHo is the Noble Prophet..
i am not here to fight u for what the newspaper has drawn but i am here to ask u to read books written by MUSLIMS in order to reach what is Islam and who is the Mohammad.. All of u are overshadowed about the reality..
it is a message from a sis to all mankind (do NOT judge before having a full knowledge) >>> then u will judge reasonably
PLEASE
MAY ALLAH LEAD U TO THE TRUTH

Gary - 2/6/2006

Quote: "Again Islam is peacefull religion..."

"Peaceful religion"?

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

hilmi - 2/6/2006

Ok little history.

Terrorists are terrorists. There are Moslem, Jewish, Christian terrorists and terrorists from other groups. In the 60s the Red Brigade from Italy wreaked terror. Incredible terror was also perpetrated by the German terror group Bader-Meinhoff. In Northern Ireland we had the IRA and other paramilitary groups using terror as a political weapon.

Terrorists in Corsica harassed the French; in Spain we still have terror from the Basques; in South America, we have the Shining Path in Peru and of course the governments of Argentina, Chile and others which perpetrated terror against their own citizens. It is therefore wrong to use the activities of a few people to tag Islam with terrorism.

Jihad has been misunderstood. In fact there are two types of Jihad. The first which can be called the High Jihad imposes self-discipline on the faithful and the other, is for defensive purposes. You can declare Jihad to defend yourself. What some groups do is to consider themselves as being under attack and then declare Jihad as a self-defence mechanism.

Some of these groups loosely define Jihad as, "we are under attack politically, economically, culturally and militarily" and for which reason they have to defend themselves. It is a perception. Much of the Jihad is very self-centred. Let me make it clear that suicide bombers are purely political and anti-Islamic. Why? Because Islam pays a great deal of attention to the human body and indeed every living thing.

Islam demands that you take care of your body. You must not do anything to hurt your body. You must be healthy to contribute to society, for this reason, suicide is forbidden in Islam. Suicide bombers are emotional and the martyrdom they seek is political. They think that by committing suicide, they become martyrs, but in reality, Islam forbids suicide.

- 2/6/2006

I hope it will clear your mind(big expectation but i am doing as a explain my religion.Besides i can come up alot of words from Bible and Torah as like Mr.Gary.)

Terrorists are terrorists. There are Moslem, Jewish, Christian terrorists and terrorists from other groups. In the 60s the Red Brigade from Italy wreaked terror. Incredible terror was also perpetrated by the German terror group Bader-Meinhoff. In Northern Ireland we had the IRA and other paramilitary groups using terror as a political weapon.

Terrorists in Corsica harassed the French; in Spain we still have terror from the Basques; in South America, we have the Shining Path in Peru and of course the governments of Argentina, Chile and others which perpetrated terror against their own citizens. It is therefore wrong to use the activities of a few people to tag Islam with terrorism.

Jihad has been misunderstood. In fact there are two types of Jihad. The first which can be called the High Jihad imposes self-discipline on the faithful and the other, is for defensive purposes. You can declare Jihad to defend yourself. What some groups do is to consider themselves as being under attack and then declare Jihad as a self-defence mechanism.

Some of these groups loosely define Jihad as, "we are under attack politically, economically, culturally and militarily" and for which reason they have to defend themselves. It is a perception. Much of the Jihad is very self-centred. Let me make it clear that suicide bombers are purely political and anti-Islamic. Why? Because Islam pays a great deal of attention to the human body and indeed every living thing.

Islam demands that you take care of your body. You must not do anything to hurt your body. You must be healthy to contribute to society, for this reason, suicide is forbidden in Islam. Suicide bombers are emotional and the martyrdom they seek is political. They think that by committing suicide, they become martyrs, but in reality, Islam forbids suicide.

Dane - 2/6/2006

Well right now I'm really proud of being one of the US' oldest allied: Your government just backed us up 100% - a little late, but it feels good!

Helene - 2/6/2006

I think danish candy is great:
http://toms.dk/1

You should try to get hold of danish liqourize - very special treat: Try the "Tyrkisk Peber" (Turkish Pepper - strong), or the "Blue Jeans" (Sweeter and sexier)

hilmi - 2/6/2006

Is there any foreigners harmed yet? I do not see any.Only muslim people who wants to protests got killed so far by police forces cause of trying to protect foreigners.I am so sad to see and hearing people killed because of simply real apology did not go thru.You are just looking minor part of Islam.There are billons muslim living around the world.Do you think if all muslims be violent, what it would be? So do not take just a minor part of my religion .Again Islam is peacefull religion, muslims need a respect from EU nothing more or less than christians or jews.You dont care about Islam but you can stand for cartoons.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1703501,00.html

I hope you will enjoy while you are reading.Even i am moderate, that is really piss me off.

John - 2/6/2006

Slater, hopefully you're not Danish with that comment. Do you also believe the Spanish steps in Rome are Spanish?
-They are called bread from Vienna in honor of the Austrian refugee children who were adopted in Denmark during and after WW2.

Nick In Ohio - 2/6/2006

God bless the Danes. Today, we are all Danes.

Islam wants you dead or enslaved. Never forget that.

Muslems considers it honorable to lie to and deceive infidels. Never forget that.

Mohammed was a charlatan who made his fortune first by marrying a rich older woman and then by terrorizing passing caravans. Never forget that.

Mohammed called himself a prophet but he never healed the sick, aided the poor, brought back the dead, performed any miracles or even kept his word. Never forget that.

Mohammed called himself a prophet but he couldn't even read or write. What kind of prophet is functionally illiterate? Never forget that.

The Middle East is sewer of violence, ignorance and poverty because of Islam. Never forget that.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/6/2006

Nooo, nooo, nooo, please please, please Muslims, have mercy on the poor Danes... hehehehe

They just happen to be one of the world's top economies, and have all of Europe, the U.S, Canada, Australia and the rest of the "civilized world" behind them.

Get a life, oh and get off the internet. It was invented by the evil Infidels :-)

Steven R Alvarado - 2/6/2006

Bought $50 of Danish cheese over the weekend. Nuff said.

dutchie - 2/6/2006

Hyvaa iltaa,

Suomi in general is also not very foreigner friendly.

moi moi

dutchie - 2/6/2006

You should be happy that your flag is so widely available in that region. You still are very popular after that '92' victory in Ullevi.

Although yesterday they were burning a Swiss ;) flag.

cassie - 2/6/2006

funny!! your idea of the 'quran' are stupid quotes by a stupid guy called tabari!!!

Zahra - 2/6/2006

Reagrding Gary's answer to the quote: "Where in the Qu'ran does it say to enslave women?"

Firstly I would like to point out that your attempt to throw down the teachings of Islam has funnily enough been unsuccessful. It would be nice for you to in future get your facts straight when trying to prove a point, especially where ignorance is concerned. Tabari, infact has little or nothing to do with the real teachings of Islam, let alone the Holy Quran!!! Tabari was actually a person who assumed he knew of the teachings and rulings of Islam, and so concocted whatever he could in order to portray Islam in a negative light; someone who I am sure you can relate very well to!! As for your other so called 'quote from the quran,' I'll have you know, had you really got it from the Holy Quran you would have realised that 9:5 merely talks about how Allah is forgiving (after all, we are only human)and that one should observe prayer. I can understand that it is clear you have very little valuable knowledge where Islam is concerned, and that you have therefore visited a website (that I too found)from where you've managed to copy and paste the utter rubbish posted on there. I am a Muslim girl growing up in a Muslim society, and I can honestly say that I am not oppressed nor does my religion state that Muslim women should be treated in this manner either. It makes me laugh to think how you are the ones who are oppressed. You have been manipulated into believing what you have heard and read rather than finding out the facts. Propaganda has really had an impact on you, and you carry on falling for it. Ha!!!

Dutchie - 2/6/2006

Could you please stop buying our products as well.

We don't want crazy fundamentalistic tossers to use our good brands.

Eventually you will die of starvation because you produce nothing decent yourselves ;).

- Philips
- Heineken/Buckler
- Shell
- Numico/Nutricia Milupa (babyfood)
- Bavaria Malt- beer
- Omo Washing powder
- Pepsodent/Prodent tootpaste
- GB/Langnese/Ola icecream
- Dumeco halal meat
- Rexona
- Becel butter
- Campina milk products
- Axe
- Salt from Akzo
- Chemicals from Akzo
- Lipton tea products
- Vaseline
- Tomatoes and other fresh food products

Ren - 2/6/2006

blame the USA....well that is a new one. The USA gets blamed for everything, if it rains too much in some countries they blame it on the United States. If a person has a bad hair day they blame it on the USA... Get a life.

hilmi - 2/6/2006

Yes i am not part of the boycott.I do also not approved to harm any people or unbeliever to because of newspaper wrongdoing.I do also not approving any Eurape press reprinting.

Any action both side just showing us to why two culture can not be side to side.Nobody is not doing anyting to bring peace to world.

I just want to drop one more thing in the log.And of course i wrote a letter to newspaper to this news real.If it is real also i want to full apology from them.

“Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.

In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.

Zieler received an email back from the paper’s Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: “I don’t think Jyllands-Posten’s readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them.”
The illustrator told the Norwegian daily Dagbladet, which saw the email: “I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy.”

“I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny.”

He said that he felt Jyllands-Posten rated the feelings of its Christian readers higher than that of its Muslim readers.”

Robert M Xiques - 2/6/2006

We must not allow ourselves to be intimidated by those who are infatuated with fear, violence, and death.

Lisbeth - 2/6/2006

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2006/02/05/we_are_all_danes_now/?p1=MEWell_Pos1

Pretty good article... Go read it

hilmi - 2/6/2006

“Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.

In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.

Zieler received an email back from the paper’s Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: “I don’t think Jyllands-Posten’s readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them.”
The illustrator told the Norwegian daily Dagbladet, which saw the email: “I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy.”

“I showed them to a few pastors and they thought they were funny.”

He said that he felt Jyllands-Posten rated the feelings of its Christian readers higher than that of its Muslim readers.”

It is a very interesting news dont you think! And congrats to Denmark to fast culture change!In a 3 years they earned their free speech.

We want to full apology from newspaper also.

Infidelity - 2/6/2006

Here's just one link, but a Web search ought to reveal more:

http://www.buydanish.dk/index.php/list-of-danish-brands/

Thomas - 2/6/2006

That is a good idea.

The freedom-paper #1 is Jyllands-Posten
www.jp.dk

But sometimes it is better to write to one of the leftist ones like
www.politiken.dk

Thomas - 2/6/2006

You are right, it is probably now or never for freedom as we have known it. The Islamic fascism is on the move!
-
You say there aren't many Danish products in Taiwan (?) - will contact Chamber of Commerce in Denmark.
Please make sure you ASK for danish products ...! So the demand will lead to supply.

Infidelity - 2/6/2006

In advance of inspecting this link, let me guess. Somewhere the interviewee adopts the stance (loosely paraphrased):

"The U.S. said/did this for that country, then said/did the opposite for this other country! HYPOCRISY!!!"

People (lay-people particularly) are frequently guilty of this misbegotten thinking. It's called "personification".

At the risk of stating the obvious - Nations are not people; governments are not personalities. A country can no more be "hypocritical" than a person can be parliamentary. International relations are NOT akin to interpersonal relations. How that is so, is far beyond the scope of this message.

An even more egregious over-simplification is that where the impossibly complex interactions of the natural universe are distilled down to silly personifications called god, allah and the like.

We all know how that story goes, don't we!

Pomerol - 2/6/2006

All the danish newspapers accept mails in english. All danes speak english - so it really doesn't matter which one you address.

www.jyllandsposten.dk
www.politiken.dk
www.berlingske.dk
www.eb.dk
www.bt.dk

steve - 2/6/2006

I've bought my Carlsberg beer and Danish cheese but I want to do more. Does anyone know of a Danish newspaper that accepts e-mails in English so we can let them know that we Americans will support them in spirit as well as supporting them with our dollars?

BMC - 2/6/2006

That seems fitting. The entire arab world has been boycotting civilization itself for a few centuries now, as I recall.

GI - 2/6/2006

I'm saying, that muslims are playing the blame game, instead of looking at their really fucked-up backyard!

Anat - 2/6/2006

Thanks, Frederik,
I see the map has been corrected.
By the way, the initial oversight on behalf of Arla did not affect my support for Denmark including buying Lupark butter.

Slater - 2/6/2006

Perhaps he means that the muslim world wanted to punish the US for the wars, but they are too strong, so they were looking for a substitute to punish in stead... and the Danish drawings came very conveniently.

Jean-Yves - 2/6/2006

As much as I like to support Danish products, nearly all of them contain animal products like eggs, cheese and milk. Since I don't drink alcohol, I can't buy Danish beer or wine. Can anyone suggest if there are Danish foods that I can purchase without going against my vegan beliefs. Thank you

- 2/6/2006

I don't get this either. No brainwashing has been going on in Denmark. What's your point???

GI - 2/6/2006

Ok - they brainwashed you into thinking you could take over the world - or whats your point!?

Dane - 2/6/2006

Sorry little hater: its only 1.1% of the danish states total income, and theres enogh good people around buying danish cheese - you dont mean nothing: but if you began using the thing between your ear, maybe you could mean something to us again - but right now I laugh at your stupidity and intolerance, and cry for the good people down there, having to live with the barbarism of your failed world!

hasan - 2/6/2006

If you ( )did'nt publish those 2 (more disgusting)cartoons then who did. First you publish the cartoons when u see no reaction from muslims you add 2 more to create a stir. Then more jumpy and re-print the same untill a reaction was accomplished. If Jyllands Posten (from the link provided by Pomerol) didnt post them then who did. I know for a fact that the most despicable cartoons created the most reaction had they not been there muslims would have ignored them as they have been doing for decades. I see them everyday, b4 this i used to think denmark and holland are neutral countries and i wanted to visit them someday but now its better not to go there; i dont want to go to a country full of hatred for muslims.

Not - 2/6/2006

stop buying mid-east oil - see how long the radical racsists last

U.A. - 2/6/2006

of course this is all due to USA's policies and GW Bush's actions

- 2/6/2006

Go to Hell-We'll Boycott no matter what! We have our own producers and therefore we are in no need of your goods and services. Boycotting is something the Danes NEVER expected would happen but it HAS and it is spreading like wild fire! Man, is your economy going to fall!

Søren - 2/6/2006

"Everybody can start their own newspaper and print whatever they like -regardless if anybody being offended."
True, and even the Muslims print papers here in Denmark, with hateful cartoon drawings messages against Christians and Jews, and have done so for many years, without any violent reaction against them.

Free man - 2/6/2006

The problem here partner, is that YOU NEED THE WEST, we can get along without you, as soon as we fix the oil-problem (within the next 5-10 years)
So if you want isolationism - you've got it: you and the crazy radical imams, the hundreds of groups beheading people, your surpressed women, your backward economy, Bin Laden whom you cant find in your heart to condemn, and so on (I could go on for days!)

If you want to be alone with the religious fuck-ups who wants a religious untouchable person to run your countries - say hello to; no free speach, sumaric killings, torture, beheadings, surpression - and dont come knocking on our door! You stabbed us in the back before - and we dont forget!

J. - 2/6/2006

Why the hell should a whole country apologize for what one single privately owned newspaper is printing?
The government, the Danish companies and the people has nothing to do with these cartoons. But you just don't seem to get the concept of newspapers not controlled by the government. The Danish government do not authorize newspapers in any way. Everybody can start their own newspaper and print whatever they like -regardless if anybody being offended. That's the way things work in Denmark -get used to it! If you think you have a case -go to the courts and they will decide if the law has been broken. If every single group has its own demands of what you can bring in the media, then we cannot discuss anything. Somebody from some group will always be offended -it happens every day in a democracy. A good believer(regardless of religion), who is strong enough in themselvles and his/her belief, will either protest in a legal and peaceful way, or ignore it and walk away.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/6/2006

To all muslims
Don't you see that your religion got a problem??
When a newspaper askes some cartoonist to draw Muhammed (and that was all they were asked, they were not told to twist the drawings in any directions) most of the cartoonist thinks on terrorism and the rights for woman to be free??
Don't you see the problem? the problem is not the drawings, there have been drawings of Muhammed for 100's of years, and still are in the muslim countries (and on museums all arround europe), the reasons for you feeling offended is what the drawings shows!!
But if that offend you, the "selling" and the "marketing" of your religion havn't been that good, because when we hear the name of your religion (in this perspective your "Brand") we only think of death and terror, crazy muslims killing there daughters for being in love with the wrong guy and so on and so on.
So as I see it your religion got a problem showing its so peacefull as you claim it is.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/6/2006

Dear Faith,
Don't you see that your religion got a problem??
When an newspaper askes some cartoonist to draw Muhammed (and that was all they were asked, they were not told to twist the drawings in any directions) most of the cartoonist thinks on terrorism and the rights for woman to be free??
Don't you see the problem? the problem is not the drawings, there have been drawings of Muhammed for 100's of years, and still are in the muslim countries (and on museums all arround europe), the reasons for you fealing offended is what the drawings shows!!
But if that offend you, the "selling" and the "marketing" of your religion havn't been that good, because when we hear the name of your religion (in this perspective your "Brand") we only think of death and terror, crazy muslims killing there daughters for being in love with the wrong guy and so on and so on.
So as I see it your religion got a problem showing its so peacefull as you claim it is.

faith - 2/6/2006

the cartoons that were given by Gross are real. they depict the reality and the real charcter and intentions of these people. u have to notice also that we did not distort the pictures of a divine figures, but of common people (they are not mentioned in Holy Bokks or in anything else except in the history of killing, murdering and exploiting innocent people..
Please i recommend u not to compare our Noble Prophet to these people next time
ok
thanx

- 2/6/2006

Thanks for this nice statement to the danish people. You sure sound like a nice guy.....

faith - 2/6/2006

i am a muslim and i would like to confirm u that "we DO NOT need ur pampered cows" and we will continue boycotting ur products for ever.. AN appology is not enough for what u did??

Bud - 2/6/2006

www.dvd2dvd.org/alandershowitzinterview.wmv

akine - 2/6/2006

LoL , poor dansky started a begging campaign, well good luck but no more Tuborg and Carlsberg for me, btw i never tried your sissy cheeses in Turkey, i wish i could say this for the drinks...

From now on EFES PILSENER, covers my alcoholic dumb brain:)

Have a good day beggers

Bry - 2/5/2006

All they have is their oil. Cut off your import of oil and they will wither...

From http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com

Prices of dairy products rise

The prices of dairy products, especially milk powder and evaporated milk made in countries such as New Zealand, Australia, Netherlands and certain GCC states has risen slightly by 50 dirhams to one riyal, enquiries in the local market revealed.

The increase, it was learnt, was caused by the withdrawal of Danish-made products from shelves of such stores following caricatures insulting to Muslims were printed by certain sections of the media in that country.

While store owners and managers were not available for comment, shoppers over the weekend, said, a 400gm can of a popular brand of milk powder from the Netherlands earlier was available for only QR9.50 while the price had now risen in some retail outlets to QR 10.50.

In case of milk powder manufactured in New Zealand, smaller tins had become dearer by half a riyal though the cost of larger containers remained at about QR38 for 2.25kgs.

Market sources however ruled out the cost of the commodity soaring higher in wake of Danish made products being barred, stating, the Dutch and New Zealand brands were of comparable quality and similarly priced while being available in abundance locally.

Some shoppers however claimed that ghee or clarified butter — a popular ingredient in recipes of the Indian subcontinent — was in short supply after a high-demand brand, Lurpak from Denmark, went off shelves.

Suppliers from the GCC and India, they pointed out, had apparently been unable to cater to the huge demand from households at the beginning of the month.

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Now if they will only boycott all the countries they import from, then they'll really be in deep sh*t.

Dane - 2/5/2006

The really sad thing is, that several of the imams, from the danish muslim coalition that have been spreading hate in denmark and the middle east, are here on a contemporary visa: one is here because his wife is sick and can get free treatment in denmark... How can this person do this to the nation that helps him?
I have no words anymore for my contempt towards these radical imams!
I think every moderate muslim in denmark should denounce them before the danes explode in rage! They are dragging you down - dont you understand this?

Hink - 2/5/2006

This is actually true facts, what people wont do..

Hink - 2/5/2006

Wow how commercialized...

KJ - 2/5/2006

Thanks from Denmark :)

keith*dk - 2/5/2006

Dear citizens of USA,

DENMARK needs your support more than ever, in this battle for the freedom of speech, one of the groundpillars of democracy.

We need it officially, we need it in your press, - and why ? - because Denmark and many other european countries have been way too lazy around taking care of the serious threat from Islamic fundamentalist within our own borders. We are so friendly - many europeans really think that the islamic will settle with the normal western standards - if we just keep welcoming them with open arms and patience.

THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!. Koranschools are teaching them not to adjust, not to adopt any part of western culture -- but to live by the Koran. Very often - they get the education, FREE - payed by taxpayers money in the name of integration !!

We have very hostile IMAM's preaching against the country they live in - many attacks from 2nd generation immigrants ( mainly from muslim countries )and right now - a very hostile situation with islamic free states ( IRAN; SYRIA; LEBANON;+ + + + )mainly caused by people living in our OWN country - traveling around in the ME region spreading lies, creating a situation out of control.

France was in the beginning of this year hit by riots in + 30 cities over several days - muslim orgs was behind that.
UK has had several instances of riotting in different cities - and by the way have a very hostile muslim environment within their borders.

YES - europeans have been lazy not taking care of the situation with the many islamic fundamentalists within our borders BUT this is not something that only will affect Denmark and european countries.
The freedom of Speech MUST NOT lie under for these fundamentalists.

Embassies are right now being burned down with support from both government and religious comunity in these countries. People are being threatned, attacked, kidnapped in the name of ISLAM.

WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS BATTLE THAT THE FREE WORLD CANNOT AFFORD TO LOOSE.

Sune Jensen - 2/5/2006

Danish consulate in Istanbul, Turkey may be the next target of moslem anger

Sune Jensen - 2/5/2006

Angry demonstratrors has set the Danish General Consulate in Beirut on fire
About 20.000 demonstrators tried to take over the consulate

Jacob H - 2/5/2006

Another Danish embassy is now on fire! This is completely unacceptable! How can you have any kind of meaningful dialog, if any dialog at all, with these people?

Jacob H
A Dane.

Marc - 2/5/2006

Muslims attacked hotdog salesman in Copenhagen Friday night.
The salesman was attacked by two Muslims with baseball bats because, as they said, he sold unclean meat.
Saturday fifty Muslims raided a train north of Copenhagen during an anti-Denmark demonstration.
Muslims in UK ask to kill Danes during demonstration in London Saturday.
I guess that we have found the missing link. Muslims can’t be humans.

dane - 2/5/2006

Thank you, brother!

A Peacefull Dane - 2/5/2006

We are sorry, giving you housing and support.

We are sorry, giving you a addiction.

We are sorry, giving you financial support.

We are sorry, sending help to your country.

We are sorry; you have all the right to be a Muslim in our Christian country.

We are sorry, not claiming revenge, for burning down our Embassy in Syria.

We are sorry, not running around with explosives, when someone hurts us.

We are sorry, not doing what your religion tells us to do.

But we will never say we are sorry, when we speak freely, like our Laws allow us to.

That apology you will never get.

Sune Jensen - 2/5/2006

Some crazy manic from a moslem country and with long range nuclear weapon with a distancecode to Copenhagen City - 25 % of population dies. Same as in the Cold War - USSR / USA.

Jacob H - 2/5/2006

Read this article from a muslim commentator from Egypt:

http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2006/01/a_mountain_out.php

She's actually looked into things, and describes the situation very accurately. Information on the Danish situation is very precise and correct. Read and support her.

Jacob H.
A Dane.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/5/2006

More on the issue:
http://islamonline.net/English/News/2005-11/18/article02.shtml
http://islamonline.net/English/News/2006-02/04/article04.shtml

I wanted to quote these two paragraphs from the second link:

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"Danish authorities have made clear that burning the Qur’an is a criminal offence whose perpetrator could face four months in prison," prominent Muslim leader Abdel Rahman Abu Laban told IOL, adding that Muslim youths were heading in droves to the rally site to prevent extremists from burning their holy book.

"All hell will break loose, if those extremists burn the Qur’an," Raed Halil, the head of the European Committee for Defending Prophet Muhammad, told IslamOnline.net over the phone from the Danish capital Copenhagen.

Anat - 2/5/2006

Frederik,
Can your father perhaps explain what happened to Israel in Arla's map of the Middle East, on Arla website, here:
http://www.arlafoods.com/APPL/HJ/HJ202COM/HJ202D01.NSF/O/0780173D7668B29BC125710A0056B1E6

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/5/2006

I found the following story (details about abu laban and the trip) on this blog:

http://martijn.religionresearch.org/

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The organisation Islamic Society in Denmark toured the Middle-East to create awareness about the cartoons, bringing 3 additional images, which HAD NEVER been published in any media source. Evidently, the originals were not offensive enough for the trip so they had to add these three. The first of the three additional pictures, which are of poor quality, shows Muhammad as a pedophile demon. The second shows Muhammed with a pig snout. The third depicts a praying Muslim being raped by a dog.

BBC World also aired a story showing one of the three non-published images, on 2006-01-30, and wrongly claimed it had been published in Jyllands-Posten.

On the tour, the group claimed to represent 21 different Muslim organisations in Denmark, although many of these groups have disclaimed any connection.

Akhmad Akkari, spokesman of the Danish Muslim organisations which organised the tour, explained that the three drawings had been added to “give an insight in how hateful the atmosphere in Denmark is towards Muslims.”

Akkari claimed he does not know the origin of the three pictures. He said they had been sent anonymously to Danish Muslims. However, when Ekstra Bladet asked if it could talk to these Muslims, Akkari refused to reveal their identity. These images had however never been published in Jyllands-Posten.

The society also allegedly exaggerated its membership, claiming to represent all of Denmark’s 200,000 Muslims, when the actual number of adherents is believed to be fewer than 15,000. [30]. 500-1000 people attend their Friday prayer gathering each week[31].

Imam Ahmad Abu Ladan is involved in an international group of Muslims who are known for supporting the anti-Western Islamist struggle of the school of global Jihad.

Imam Ahmad Abu Ladan also tried to block the re-election of the right-wing government in Denmark in the previous election.

Imam Ahmad Abu Laban, the leader of the organisation stated in Al Jazeera that Muslims should boycott Denmark, despite giving contradictory assurances to Western media. Ahmad Abu Laban, previously declared unwelcome in several Arab states, was one of the front figures on the tour [citation needed].

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said of Muslims criticising the country in the Arab territories: “I am speechless that those people, whom we have given the right to live in Denmark and where they freely have chosen to stay, are now touring Arab countries and inciting antipathy towards Denmark and the Danish people”[33].

Further misinformation spread among Arab Muslims include claims that Jyllands-Posten is a government-owned newspaper (it is privately owned) - spokesman for the Danish delegation Muhammed al Samha, and delegation member Ahmed al-Harbi said in the Egyptian newspaper al-Ahram: “Jyllands-Posten, a newspaper belonging to the ruling Danish party - an extreme right-wing party - [was] publishing drawings and sketches of the prophet Muhammad.”

Muslim from USA - 2/5/2006

As a Muslim I have the right to be offended by the drawings but that does not give me the privilege to rob others from their freedom of expression or speech and worst yet pass threats. What you hear and see in Middle east is the minorty. You hardly see or hear wnat the majority thinks. The muslim leaders has taken this issue and manipulated for their political gain. They have successful stirred hatre in Islamic world towards the western world. I admire the western goverment (countries like Denmark, USA and other open minded countries) for their commitment in standing for freedom of speech even it could cause economical instability. I am not saying that we ought to go and insult other religions but I do strongly disagree what the leaders of the Muslim countries are doing. If the drawing is created by the leaders of the respective countries, it would be justifiable that the Muslim leaders to voice their disagreement (not by violents). As a Muslim whose parents ran away from our motherland due to tryant government, I hope this event would be a wake call to the Muslim leaders that you cannot control the world. You may do what you want in your own countries but not to others. Let there be freedom to my fellow brothers and sisters in my former country to able to express their freedom of speech(again not on disgracing my religion but rather their opinion on many issues where now there could be prisoned or punished for.) To my Muslim brothers, give these women the freedom, they are your mothers, wives and sisters. I will not boycott Danish product just because a stupidity of a newspaper. The good people of Dane don't deserve to be threaten or punished. I am truly ashamed of the small minority Muslim and the leaders who using this agenda for their gain. Don't let these fools stain your faith on the good majority Muslim who are not into violents and yet trapped in countries where they have no choice either to follow the tyrants way or to die. May one day we all live in peace. May the Muslims, Christians, Indus, Buddhas and Jews walk together in same street holding hands in the name of love.

Anat - 2/5/2006

Do people realize that Arla brought this on themselves? Just look at their business map in the Middle East -- with the strange size of Lebanon at the expense of guess who.

Here is the map from their website:
http://www.arlafoods.com/APPL/HJ/HJ202COM/HJ202D01.NSF/O/0780173D7668B29BC125710A0056B1E6

Proud Dane - 2/5/2006

It seems most people forgot that we already exp. terror bombs here in Denmark - back in 1985' against Israeli and US. Targets - The Synagogue and Northwest Orient (Airline Company) and EL-AL was attacked by Palestinians belonging to Islamic Jihad - were captured in 1989 :-)
http://www.dr.dk/nyheder/htm/baggrund/tema2001/Terrorisme%20og%20terrorister/194.htm#1985

So YES we are proud to purchase Israeli products!!!

We have a long tradition in DK to se caricatures and satire in our humour, cartoon and performances - "Revy" in Danish, where annual events are portrayed. The caricature drawing was published as a consequence of internal self-censorship. A Danish writer Kaare Bluitgens couldn't get his children’s book illustrated, because of fear (after the Theo Van Gogh murder and general opinion) so 40 cartoonists were asked to draw Mohammed as THEY saw him - 12 sent in drawing, and all were published.

As Danish we are able to see that the Mohammed in the "PR-Stunt" drawing is actually The Jyllands-Postens cultural editor, and the stick man drawing in his hand the "Mohammed portrait", in the line up, one of the people portrayed is a female leader of a Rightwing Party "Dansk Folkeparti"

To night our embassy in Damascus Syria was burned down, along with the Swedish and Norwegian - and the French was attacked as well.

In the spirit of Voltaire I will be the first to acknowledge and defend anyone who has an opinion different from my own - so argue, debate and discuss till you drop -

My personal line is drawn at death treats against the writers, bomb threats against the paper and Attacks on private property.

At lot of untrue stories has been told during the latest week about Book burning of the Koran in Denmark - A lie forwarded by SMS - that allegedly led to the attack of our embassy in Syria.

My sympathy goes out the 2 brave editors in France and Jordan - and were the first to be "burned at the stakes" in the ongoing battle of free press and freedom of speech

Remember that action unfortunately screams louder than intellectual debate.

American Soldier - 2/5/2006

I certainly don't condone insulting people's religion, but nobody should be threatening anybody with death or kidnapping (or setting fire to embassies) over some drawings on a paper; just ridiculous. People complain that we in the west don't understand Muslims. Perhaps that's true, but having lived in Iraq for 10 months, I can tell you that they sure as hell don't understand us, either.

I don't know any Danes personally, but as a fellow western democracy, you all fully deserve America's support against the forces of Islamic intolerance and hatred.

So, tomorrow, before the Superbowl, I will go out and do my best to find a case of Tuborg or Carlsberg. And, as I drink it, I will say a silent toast to Denmark and to freedom of speech, and then I will say a prayer to my God for the safety of those artists who drew the cartoons!

Dane in the Middle East - 2/5/2006

Hear..what are they doing in the west anyway.. they seem to hate it so much there... GO HOME !!

- 2/5/2006

yep, bought 120 bottles of Carlsberg today for a party:-)
I'm ashamed of Putin (rusian president) reaction on this issue (like "you shouldn't touch feelings of believers").
Of course we have a lot of muslims in our country, and all this issues with chechens and such, but after all we should remember that russians is the root of the Russia, still the main nationality here and that we are orthodox christians.
All this Political Correctness here is always again russians - it's ok to have mosques in Moscow, it's ok to prohibit Christian lessons in schools not to offend muslim immigrants and so on. Ordinary people tired of that, thats why there are a lot of horrible nationalistic parties and groups.

Dane in the Middle East - 2/4/2006

God man, Ensan.. I hope someone will do.. I would myself but unfortunately dont have a clue.. I will, however, be able to contribute with lots and lots of information on the Middle East if needed.. have lived here for donkeys years and have experienced all sorts of stuff in this twisted place.. so let me know..

Dane in the Middle East - 2/4/2006

The neanderthals in the Middle East have excelled again..this time by burning down 4 embassies in Damaskus (with the police watching passively by the way). A few danes drew a few stupid cartoons and this is what is has come to ? I hope that more people across the world will now see the true face of Islam. We cant do much about the muslims in the Middle East as that is their area and they can do what they want, but we will have to ask all the Muslims residing in the West; What side are you on ? Anyone beleiving in an Islamic world order have the freedom to go back to whereever they came from !!

Dane in the Middle East - 2/4/2006

Hear hear to that also... we always hear that the majority of Muslims are peaceful.. but who really knows, because they dont ever voice their opinion. The truth is that this silent majority will, at the end of the day, do what they are told to do by their Iman.. such is Islam.. a system designed to keep the masses under control and to serve the few..
Shame - I know a lot of Muslims who are nice people.. I even have colleagues who are now boycotting everything Danish.. Why ? Because they were told to do so at the Friday prayer !!! They dont even know why !!!

Dane in the Middle East - 2/4/2006

Hear Hear.. these guys are doing my head in...If they want Islamic rule, why dont they just go an live in an Islamic country ? Simple !!!

Dane in the Middle East - 2/4/2006

to Russian girl,
I fully support you.. In my eyes, Russians are on our side of the fence. on the other side you have all the nutters in the Middle East, Al Qaida, the Chechen Rebels and heaps of other groups, who, if it hat not been for their hatred of anything non-islamic, they would probably be fighting eachother. So Russians, we are on your side.. are you on ours ?

Amp - 2/4/2006

The great irony of this boycott on Denmark is that it is blowing up in the faces of its authors. Indeed, it may turn out to be one of the bigger economic booms in recent history as all things Danish become fashionable. The taste of free speech is fast becoming Havarti cheese chased with a cold Carlsberg. Ahh! (Already household names in the U.S.)

As for me, I'm rethinking a trip planned to Bangkok and Delhi for this summer. Copenhagen seems like a nice, relaxing alternative following the bar exam.

To all the Danes worried about the boycott, keep in mind:

"GDP in all the Arab countries stood at $531.2 billion in 1999- less than a single
European country; Spain, ($595.5 billion)." (Source: www.globalcomplexity.org/AHDR.htm )

I think your newfound patrons with economies easily intro the trillions will more than compensate!

A dane in the Middle East - 2/4/2006

I heard Rumours that Imam Abu Laban (who started all this) has in the past been deported from the UAE and been jailed in Egypt for taking part in anti-government activities. He was the one who travelled around the Middle East, spreading misinformation about how muslims are treated in the Denmark. He off course went to the homes of the Rent-a-Crowd, West Bank and Gaza, where people will rally against just about everything.. Abu Laban is the man..and yes, he will be investigated, but if I was him, I would probably disappear from Denmark soon... I know a lot of very angry danes, so would very much like to talk to him once this has cooled down...

A dane in Middle East - 2/4/2006

To Ensan, yes I heard that too and it made me laugh big time.... but I actually agree with him.. that is what they should do. Then we dont have the to deal with the Middle East anymore and everybody can get on with their lives.. If these guys wants to live in the Middle Age, be my guest, but I dont want them trying to convince everybody else to do the same too...I am getting sick and tired of that..so my suggestiong is: Westerners in the West - Muslims in the Middle East and then we build a wall between us and everybody does their own thing.... And no, I am ignorant and racist.. I have spent a lot of time in the Middle East (as well as in a lot of other non-western places), have friends from all races and religions and like all sorts of input from other cultures.. I have just had enough of the winging hypocrats in the Middle East.

Amp - 2/4/2006

I'm disgusted too -- regardless of what the U.S. press is willing or unwilling to do, you'll scarcely find an American not deeply incensed by this utter disregard for quite possibly the most important freedom in a liberal democratic society.

This is no time to be bashful -- as Benjamin Franklin cautioned, "Those who sacrifice
essential liberty for temporary safety are not deserving of either liberty or safety."

russian girl - 2/4/2006

Hell, you should think first before supporting Chechen warlords who behead our soldiers!

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "Maybe the time has come to CUT THE OIL OFF."

So, go ahead and cut it off. That will be the final incentive for us to get off dependency on ME oil. Then you guys can bathe in the stuff for all we care!

russian girl - 2/4/2006

>starting with the middle ages (the crusades..)
I'm filled up by Crusades thing. What about initial islamic conquest all over Africa, Southern Europe and Asia?
What about Bizantine empire, Serbia and such?

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "Hirsi is an anti-Islam bigot.

She has on record called Mohammed a tyrant pedophile."

Maybe she knows something which you don't.

Amp - 2/4/2006

Quick review of the facts:

"GDP in all the Arab countries stood at $531.2 billion in 1999- less than a single European country; Spain, ($595.5 billion)." (See http://www.globalcomplexity.org/AHDR.htm)

The U.S. GDP is well over 10 trillion -- speaking as an American citizen as far as I can tell the pulse in America is: buy Danish.

Whose economy do you think is f#$%d?

- 2/4/2006

Have you tried to take Bible or Crucifix with you into Saudi Arabia? Just try or read about Philippines sentenced because of this!
Have you read Palestinian and other arabian or iranian newspaper? Saw some articles about Jews, West, Russia or Christianity?
It's the double standard! We think that people should be tolerant, muslims think that we are weak!

Amp - 2/4/2006

Bottom line: more moderate Muslims need to step forward and indicate some kind of disdain for the radicals who are largely painting the picture of Islam in the public forum.

When you stand by idly and say nothing, your silence is seen as acceptance.

We need to start learning how to get along or it's going to be an ugly century for everyone.

Amp - 2/4/2006

Before you recriminate the Danish for their perceived transgressions, why not take a look at the TEXTBOOKS used in schools by some Muslim societies:

Textbooks in the Middle East
by Diane Ravitch
October 5, 2005
printable pdf

When governments take responsibility for publishing school textbooks, such books invariably reflect what the leaders of that society want children to believe. Nowhere is this issue more crucial than in the Middle East, where national and religious passions are a constant threat to world peace. In 1998, the Center for Monitoring the Impact of Peace (CMIP) was established to review the content of school textbooks in the region and to examine whether the books were encouraging the attitudes of mutual tolerance necessary for future peace between Israel and its Arab neighbors.

CMIP has reviewed textbooks prepared by the governments of Israel, the Palestinian Authority, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt. Its criteria for analysis are twofold: First, do the texts present the images of other peoples and religions as equals or are they shown in a prejudiced way? Second, do the textbooks foster peace? CMIP also employs criteria developed by UNESCO, including, Do the textbooks include accurate data? Are illustrations, maps, and graphs accurate and up to date? Are the achievements of others recognized? Are political disputes presented objectively? Are ideals of freedom, dignity, and fraternity advocated?

CMIP found that the Israeli textbooks actively promote education for reconciliation, tolerance, and peace. They present Islam in a "positive light," with factual explanations of its doctrines. They describe the Palestinian cause as a national movement. They do not promote hatred or violence toward Arabs. Literature books for Israeli students include selections by Palestinian and other Arab authors. Some textbooks were so evenhanded that Israeli critics accused the Ministry of Education of endorsing "self-hatred."

The textbooks published by Saudi Arabia, Syria, Egypt, and the Palestinian Authority, however, use negative stereotypes to portray Jews. Their maps of the region do not include any mention of Israel; its territory is usually described as "Palestine." The Arab textbooks present Jews as treacherous usurpers throughout history, with no rightful claim to nationhood. They describe the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion as an authentic historical document.

The Saudi textbooks, analyzed in 2003, expressed hostility and prejudice against not only Jews but Christians and the West. The texts teach that Islam is the only true religion and that Jews and Christians are infidels. The Western world is depicted as the source of the misfortunes of the Muslim world, from the Crusades to imperialism to the establishment of Israel. Present-day Western cultural and intellectual influence, including Western democracy, is treated as pernicious. Saudi students are taught that the West is a decaying society that is on its way to extinction because of its lack of spirituality, as well as the prevalence of such things as adultery, sodomy, suicide, and alcoholism. The texts reject terrorism but warmly praise war, jihad, and martyrdom.

If a lasting peace depends not just on "charters and covenants" but on "the hearts and minds of the people," as John F. Kennedy said, then the attitudes taught by the state to its young people are no less important than the words uttered by diplomats. The reports of CMIP can be found at www.edume.org.

Think about that before you go crazy over a couple of trite political cartoons!!

In the meantime, this American will be proactively seeking out Danish products.

kim (dane) - 2/4/2006

when all have calmed down if it ever will, then they will look at if the iman has spoken with two tongues so to speak. in case some of the imans who was on the ME tour has no danish citizenship they will most likely be thrown out of the country and refused to enter again

kim (dane) - 2/4/2006

yes and no. the turban toon was one of them. but out of nowhere they attached some looking like a pig and one raping a child i think it was.
and the iman told them that he represents 200.000 muslims in denmark and all was very angry and upset. the problem is that there is only 5 to 10.000 muslims in denmark

kim (dane) - 2/4/2006

Infidelity - 2/4/2006

Take a moment to read this straightforward article ...

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/introduction.htm

... then smile knowingly.

8)

pst314 - 2/4/2006

"...this freedom must be limited and we must not insult others..."

Then you support removing from the Koran everything that Jews and Christians find offensive? Then you action to force an end to the slanders against Jews and Christians which Muslims speak every day in, in their mosques and elsewhere? And the similar and worse evils they speak against Hindus and Buddhist and followers of other religions? Then you support forcing an end to Muslim oppression and killing of non-Muslims and dissident Muslims?

Infidelity - 2/4/2006

These comix depicting mahamed (correct spelling be upon him) were published in 2001 - but curiously the arab/muslim world did not explode.

"Believe it or else!"

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

I might have misspoken. According to this article, the turban cartoon was one of the original 12:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,,1702538,00.html

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "our GREAT PROPHET MUHAMMED had said "we must not harm others and others must not harm us" so if you really want freedom post this comment and read it."

And what else did your GREAT Prophet say:

"Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound ourselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”

Qur’an 60:5 “We reject you. Hostility and hate have come between us forever, unless you believe in Allah only.’”

Qur’an 48:13 “If any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a Blazing Fire for them!”

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "Now IT IS WAR on danish proprety"

To the extremists, it's been a war for centuries:

"Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound ourselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

I would like to offer my time to translate a page or more of English text to Arabic. This will be for a site that can help those who lost their jobs due to the boycott. We will not leave you. You are only on the front lines, but we are right behind you and will stay there as long as it takes to win this fight to stop Islam from forcing the world to live according to its sick ideology.

Infidelity - 2/4/2006

In yer face mohammed (correct spelling be upon him).

http://www.faithfreedom.org/comics/comics.htm

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

As you all know, an Imam, and a group of Muslims took the 12 picture from JP and some other ones (that include the one with Mohammad's turnban with a bomb) and traveled around the Muslim world to get them to pressure Denmark to apologize. He bluntly lied to them about the extra drawings. I don't speak Danish, so please take this to Danish speaking message boards, and tell people that they need to sue him for lying and causing this conflict.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

CNN is a left wing news source. If you don't watch them often, you will not see that. They are against Bush, and since Bush and all American conservatives would be in support of your right to freedom of speech, they will not side by you.

McRTUR - 2/4/2006

West should stand up on this issue. Since when Muslim cenzorship have infected our freedom of speech? There is no need for appology. We are free and we never give up our freedom including our freedom of speech.

Send all Muslims where they belong- to their own country. Clean our free land ASAP.
McArtur

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

It was funny to hear one of the leading Muslim clergymen (qaradawi) yesterday tell thousands of angry (as they always are) extremists that they don't need the west, but the west needs them.

He also told them that anger is a "farida" which is something like requirement.

He finally told them that they don't need the oil money, and can go back to the simple life eating dates and drinking yogurt.

I support him in his last statement, and would love to know how many Muslims will actually take him up on the offer :-)

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "Count me out. I have lost al my respect to the Islam...!"

You and thousands of others since 9-11 and 7-7:

"Ishaq:208 “When Allah gave permission to his Apostle to fight, the second Aqaba contained conditions involving war which were not in the first act of submission. Now we bound ourselves to war against all mankind for Allah and His Apostle. He promised us a reward in Paradise for faithful service. We pledged ourselves to war in complete obedience to Muhammad no matter how evil the circumstances.”

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

Fox News carried all the cartoons on regular basis, and it has a strong position in support of your freedom of speech. Fox News is the most watched TV station in this country because it represents the conservative viewpoint while giving the left wing a chance to argue their position as well. Can someone who lives in the U.S. start a new thread with the title "Danish products in the US" so we can buy those?

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

The protests in Syria were also meant to make Syria look good in the Arab and Muslim world. Syria is on the verge of being turned to the UN Security Council, and its leaders are suspected of killing the ex Lebanese prime minister Hariri. Bottom line, they have a lot of pressure on them, so they are trying to gain some respect by acting as heroes. This way they get a lot of support from the fundamentalist Muslims in Syria and around the world. Little they know that all these extremists can do is burn flags, and kill a few innocent people.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

The protests in Syria were meant to make Syria look good in the Arab and Muslim world. Syria is on the verge of being turned to the security council, and its leaders are suspected of killing the ex Lebanese prime miniter Hariri. Bottom line, they have a lot of pressure on them, so they are trying to gain some respect by acting as heroes. This way they get a lot of support from the fundemntalist Muslims in Syria and around the world. Little they know that all these extreemists can do is burn flags, and kill a few innocent people.

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "Islam is a religion using hate and fear in everything they do - or am I wrong? Is there any moderate muslims out there, who wil denounce this shitty misuse of their religion?
Come on - step forward, before the whole world sees you as simple terrorists!"

You will find your answer in their Koran:

"Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

joe - 2/4/2006

wasting life ??? normal thinking people dont beleive that there is 72 virgins waiting for you when you die,,why ruin some girls life by raping them,,,wait til you die and then do the virgins

Infidelity - 2/4/2006

But there's no such thing as allah.

Such a shame to think that whole peoples waste their lives in deference to such fictions.

Oh well.

Marcus - 2/4/2006

The current generation of europeans, and westerners in general, is very cowardly. This is the only reason why the cartoons were not published in US newspapers for example. This is the reason why when you search in a US search engine for the cartoons, you cannot find them anywhere. This is the reason why Television media has not published the cartoons. They feed you lies, and tell you that they are being "sensitive," when they have a history of being very offensive to all other religions around the world, and especially christianity. I give credit to the Danish publishers. Fight for your values and for your souls you cowards. Stop selling them for a barrel of oil, or surrendering them to threats of islamic terrorism.

Rasmus - 2/4/2006

For thow of you who dont speak danish

This i a email recepit you get when ordering food online.

"We have registred your order, and this is now sent to the restaurant.

You order from just-eat.dk is monitored(supervised) by: Mohammed" ...

muuuuhamed - 2/4/2006

Vi har registreret din bestilling, denne er nu sendt ud til restaurationen.

Din bestilling er fra Just-Eat.dk overvåget af: Mohammed

Skulle du have ændringer til din bestilling bedes du kontakte Hvidovre Pizza Bar på telefon 36771719 hurtigst muligt.

Skulle der være uoverensstemmelser af nogen art imellem dig og Hvidovre Pizza Bar vil vi meget gerne informeres herom. Du kan enten bruge dette link: support eller ringe til os på 70208590.
Du kan påregne et tilbagesvar på mail i løbet af ca. 5-10 min. i tidsrummet (09.00-22.00) - I enkelte tilfælde kan der dog gå lidt kortere eller længere !

Frederik Treue - 2/4/2006

FYI, Syria is a dictatorship no less controlled by intelligence services than DDR used to be. As several danish, leading politicians noted, the demonstrations would not have happened without a go-ahead from the syrian intelligence services. However, they aren't letting the people demonstrate because they hate Denmark (in particular), they are doing it to turn the muslim extremists atention away from them, and onto whatever else - we're just unlucky to be "else" this time, but 2 years ago it was the US embassy that got torched. It's how most ME governments work, but syria is a particulary bad case.

hyt - 2/4/2006

Sorry - this is Hans Magnus Enzensberger in danish (you must find an english translation somewhere - I'll look: we need intellectuals to level the problem - here's one

www.information.dk/InfWebsite/FremvisningPHP/Common/Information.php?pShow=Webavis/WAvVis.php&;pWAvVis=1254

Eddie - 2/4/2006

I think we are americans have to STOP
playing with democrasy games, by supporting regimes like china or saudy arabia and get closer to europe. BUY DANISH!!!

The Dane - 2/4/2006

You're totally wrong...

Same newspaper showed a drawing with Ariel Sharon as a killer in Palestine...

/Check your background info before the outburst....

gnyfhans - 2/4/2006

... and the austrians call them "Kopenhagener"!

Pomerol - 2/4/2006

"I dont know what to do, but I'll defend my society no matter what cost!"

Be cool. After all the ME isn't a threat to Europe. Right now we are all trying to communicate with the muslims. That is what democrats do - communicate. We speak our minds - and that is the most powerful weapon ever "invented". So keep on speaking...

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "I can't believe Bush isn't standing up for Denmark, when we need you the most. This man goes on and on about democracy and freedom, but where is he now when a good old friend is in trouble, defending one of the cornerstones of democracy?"

Don't worry, the American people are behind you. Bush is a politician caught between a rock and a hard place. Most everyone I know here is scrambling around from store to store trying to find more Danish products to buy. God bless Denmark!!!

Pomerol - 2/4/2006

"So, I'm sure you believe an apology should be in order?"

No I don't believe an apology is in order. I rather die speaking my mind than live fearing to speak!

dane - 2/4/2006

Listen all you good people - this is a serious situation; the ambassador of denmark asked Syria for help hours before the attack and burndown of the danish embassy - so did the norwegian... no help arrived, and the sole blame for this incident is on the syrian government!
They wanted this to happen!

As I write this, I'm in total disbelief, how the anger of the entire muslim world can be directed solely at the peaceloving scandinavian people - I have no words, but to ask for help: We are in deep distress, and the world needs firm action from western leaders before this,very soon, is escalated into state of war!

Please everybody - search your soul, and take action to PEACEFULLY demonstrate your anger!
If this is about the entire muslim world trying to get the scandinavians to their knees apologizing for some papers cartoons - we say: its not gonna happen! You had your appology from the newspaper!

I fell SO offended that all my understanding for the muslim anger upon these drawings totally disappear - I dont know what to do, but I'll defend my society no matter what cost!
Please don't test the will of a free people - we are trying to make sense to an surrealistic crowd of agressors, letting their years of anger and supression punish some small countries in scandinavia. Its devastating - especially for the moderate muslims here. who has much respect... but soon, not anymore!

This is much more than buying danish products - this is about the right to be free - nothing less!

CommonSense - 2/4/2006

see Islam, history

CommonSense - 2/4/2006

Conclusion: Muslim’s tacitly allow all the acts of terrorism against the West. They have extreme aggression, however, for a westerner, non-muslim degrading their Saint in caricatures. Currently, the Muslim word is lacking in a true understanding of tolerance and freedom of speech as it exists in a free country.

The next question would be to ask “What” in these two different cultures accounts for such a difference.

My opinion: Americans are not known to be gentle people, but the Muslim world has them beat by a mile. Muhammed established his religion via Plunder (see Google: plunder history) and demanded some, what Westerners would consider, goofy rules to be followed. At the time, however, these rules were brilliant as a war strategy. Like Bismark, Muhammed knew power and expansion comes through conquering and taking what is currently not yours.

After initial Plunder success in Arabia, who did he conquer next? His idea: any land and its people that do not subscribe to his religion will be converted or killed. These “outside” people were known as Infidels. His expansion and power strategy of "converstion without faith" policy via threats and acts of violence worked. In doing so he created a religion bound for eternal conflict on "religious" grounds. which assured Muhammed that his empire would expand outward through the usual means of violence long after he was gone.

Excellent Site:
http://www.geocities.com/hwitmyer/page47.html

Slater - 2/4/2006

Danish pastry isn't Danish. We call that "wienerbrød" in Denmark, meaning "Vienna bread".

George - 2/4/2006

I'll quit grolsch. Carlsberg for me now until this clears. I'll head out for a few crates..

By the way, whoever invented Danish pastries is a genius!

CommonSense - 2/4/2006

Generally I agree with your statement. I would also add that Jack Straw would be most democratic if he were to support the fundamental right of freedom of press/expression unstead of the fundamental lack of the right to criticize your own religion as a Muslim.

CommonSense - 2/4/2006

No, that is called pacifism, which in itself, unlike Islam, is inherently evil.

So, I'm sure you believe an apology should be in order?

AnotherDane AnotherDane - 2/4/2006

I want to thank you all for the support to Danes and Denmark, and want to add that it's not funny to be a Dane these days. However, I think it's time to talk back for the burning embassies etc. Enough is enough. Freedom of speech is the way out of ignorance, which muslims could learn from.

I will send my customers your way and have linked from my website. You supportive guys and gals are great!

- 2/4/2006

I'm not sure how much access I would have to cheese and beef ect, but legos I can do My boy loves them as it is.
As we are now bombing and exterminating terrorists all over the world on a daily basis I think its obvious where the majority of our sympathies lie - With our European cousins, and not some bearded religous fanatics preaching anti western hateful dogma.
As far as muslims accepting any $$ they can, your right, and it mearly exposes yet again what a band of utter hypocrites they are, bascially incompatable with the rest of humanity.

madkent - 2/4/2006

Not to worry..the west will manage somehow as we actually have quite a lot of oil + some new technologies on the way. Cutting off the oil would, however, be suicide for the Arabs.. they will be back in the , desert, living in tents and riding camels..
So be my guest. CUT OFF THE FUCKING OIL !!! THEN WE DONT HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT PIT CALLED THE MIDDLE EAST AGAIN.. EVER !!!

madkent - 2/4/2006

Swastikas are illegal in Denmark, in fact in most of europe. why ? Well, it was the symbol of Nazi Germany - they lost the war and as it normally happens, the winning side sets the agenda. Swastika and any Nazi related movement was banned, so there you go. I Denmark any organization supporting violence is illegal - a lot of danes these days would argue, why is islam legal ? All they seem to do is support and instigate violence... so next step will be to ban islam in Denmark..

madkent - 2/4/2006

yeah.. i like that one too.. Women are not allowed to ride a car or even a bicycle in Saudi.. how funny is that !!!!

madkent - 2/4/2006

I have seen swastikas in Dubai, UAE.. and ask any Indian or Filipino working in Saudi if there is racism in Saudi.. my friend.. the Sauds are some of the biggest racists EVER !! Act like little kings and treat other people like s..t

and yes, there are nice people in the middle east in eg. Oman and most of Egypt.. just for everybody's info..

Benny - 2/4/2006

how low can you go

Pomerol - 2/4/2006

"We already apoligized for offending muslim people"

Well as a Dane I have absolutely nothing to apologies. The muslims are the ones who should apologies to the people of freedom. It sure is good to see that a large number of the danish muslims do not approve of the insanity being committed by their so-called brothers of Islam. They told the Imams to speak for themselves - and only for themselves. That's the way. Keep it up.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

The people of the whole world are behind you. You are not tiny. You might tiny in size but we honor your brave stance to respect your freedom of speech which translates to everyone's freedom of speech.

kim (dane) - 2/4/2006

as a dane I am just asking for some respect that goes our way too from the muslim countries. burning our flag (there is a reason why there is a cross in it, as denmark is a christian country) is disrespecting danish values. We already apoligized for offending muslim people. burning down our embassy in syria, why isn´t the police protecting it as demostrations in syria is only allowe don the behalf of their government. threatning danish people as a whole for something that a privately owned newspaper has done is very wrong in my opinion. show some respect for other cultures/religion than your own.

Jochem - 2/4/2006

From holland

- 2/4/2006

I might have been a little over the edge when I wrote that! Sorry! Don't think you are and idiot! I just don't think you can compare these things!

Pomerol - 2/4/2006

I do not want to contribute to hatred in the name of democracy. I will die for my rights. But in the meanwhile I will as a true democrat practice non-violent combat.

Bob - 2/4/2006

Still: Shame on you - take a stand and condemn these "people" hijacking your religion - or face isolation!
Its simple: if you dont agree with these terrorists - you have to denounce them!

Pomerol - 2/4/2006

Well I hope we will show the muslims the true face of democracy. We should not fight back with guns. We most only use the most powerful weapon of them all. Our right to speak freely!

Pomerol - 2/4/2006

I believe that's this is the way you see Islam. And forethat I respect you. We are citizens of the world. We have to come together. Islam as a religion is not evil, but some people are unfortunately using Islam to justify their inhuman acts. You have to show the European people your respect also. I'm a democrat and you can't take my rights away from me. I will never allow that.

Sune Jensen - 2/4/2006

In the building are also the Swedish and Chilish embassy

Limey - 2/4/2006

England has NO freedom for the press!
Jack Straws one-sided attack on the drawings, also suggests that the english government cannot speak freely because of fear of riots: He's trying to control anger instead of biasing the problem neutrally - its a shame!

Sune Jensen - 2/4/2006

Now IT IS WAR on danish proprety

Peter from Denmark - 2/4/2006

Exactly... so what is the OP talking about?

Knud Toft - 2/4/2006

Hopefully it's not a war that's on the way.
Hopefully it's just a reaction from people that hasn't been well-enough informed.

DK - 2/4/2006

Well - his followers just torched a danish embassy: you know - all your words doesn't change one single action from muslims... and there are hundreds these years: shame on you!

Dane - 2/4/2006

I guess this is war...

Heba - 2/4/2006

Iam a Muslim girl and I want to say that Islam was the first Religion to emphasize the freedom of openion and our GREAT PROPHET MUHHAMED was always seeking for others openion in every matter of life but this freedom must be limited and we must not insult others so what about prophets who are the most noble creatures in the world and we MUSLIMS cannot insult other prophets beacause we believe in them all and our rule in freedom as our GREAT PROPHET MUHAMMED had said "we must not harm others and others must not harm us" so if you really want freedom post this comment and read it.

Sune Jensen - 2/4/2006

Danish embassy in Syria burnt down after protesters stormt the building !!!!

Ren - 2/4/2006

Denmark will also have more and more North Americans buying Danish goods as a means of support for their great country. Americans buying more Danish products has just begun, it will continue to grow in strength as the word gets out.

Scandinavian - 2/4/2006

The Jordanian newspaper editor, who printed the cartoons togehter with an article, asking the question, if these drawings did more harm to islam than videos of terrorist severing peoples heads - have been arrested.

No more needs to be said!

Dan - 2/4/2006

Robert Fisk: Don't be fooled, this isn't an issue of Islam versus secularism
'The Koran does not forbid images of the Prophet but millions of Muslims do'
Published: 04 February 2006
So now it's cartoons of the Prophet Mohamed with a bomb-shaped turban. Ambassadors are withdrawn from Denmark, Gulf nations clear their shelves of Danish produce, Gaza gunmen threaten the European Union. In Denmark, Fleming Rose, the "culture" editor of the pip-squeak newspaper which published these silly cartoons - last September, for heaven's sake - announces that we are witnessing a "clash of civilisations" between secular Western democracies and Islamic societies. This does prove, I suppose, that Danish journalists follow in the tradition of Hans Christian Anderson. Oh lordy, lordy. What we're witnessing is the childishness of civilisations.

So let's start off with the Department of Home Truths. This is not an issue of secularism versus Islam. For Muslims, the Prophet is the man who received divine words directly from God. We see our prophets as faintly historical figures, at odds with our high-tech human rights, almost cariacatures of themselves. The fact is that Muslims live their religion. We do not. They have kept their faith through innumerable historical vicissitudes. We have lost our faith ever since Matthew Arnold wrote about the sea's "long, withdrawing roar". That's why we talk about "the West versus Islam" rather than "Christians versus Islam" - because there aren't an awful lot of Christians left in Europe. There is no way we can get round this by setting up all the other world religions and asking why we are not allowed to make fun of Mohamed.........(read the rest of the article in The Independent)

- 2/4/2006

You do realize that we can finance this boycott ourselves. We could take away the hundreds of millions of dollars we are giving in support to undeveloped muslim countries. But you know what - We wouldn't dream of it. We are freedomsfighters! And we will keep on helping you educate your children for many years to come. Hopefully they will be wiser and more peacefull than their fathers....

Berry - 2/4/2006

Check it out - you don't have to understand german:

www.islamisten.tk

- 2/4/2006

Count me out. I have lost al my respect to the Islam...!

Ben - 2/4/2006

This is the worst PR for the muslim world since their freedomfighter Bin Laden killed thousands of innocents - who can respect this way of dealing with anger?!

Bono - 2/4/2006

The world is taking a lesson in muslim hypocrasy and double standards - so much respect has been lost towards your religion!

Thank you for pointing it out to us - I'm sure you'll feel that you've lost huge support during the last week!

- 2/4/2006

Well they are doing some image repair in the ME. At the same time don't forget that religion still is a big thing in US. Our freedoms goes far and beyond the ones in The States (I know - I have lived there for a couple of years). And it's really not that hard to understand, since Europe is the cradle of Democracy. We were the ones who invented this concept - and I guess we as the Bigbrothers in this matter should be the ones to protect it.

Teacher - 2/4/2006

hello denmark! nice lesson u took eh!
enjoy and never mess with Islam because you will lose sooner or later... no to danish food looool... i liked ur butter but thank you, no need for it now, i enjoy the american food and love the american people and love america who believes in freedom of speech BUT respects the Islamic symbols not like u pale crazy and silly danish. BY THE WAY...not all danish are bad and i got at least 7 danish mates, 5 of them disagreed but the others agreed on the cartoons but they are still my friends.

- 2/4/2006

"But where are the US government in this crisis? They have condamned the drawings on TV -but no help for Denmark for standing up for basic human rights??"

Well they are doing some image repair in the ME. At the same time don't forget that religion still is a big thing in US. Our freedoms goes far and beyond the ones in The States (I know - I have lived there for a couple of years). And it's really not that hard to understand, since Europe is the cradle of Democracy. We were the ones who invented this concept - and I guess we as the Bigbrothers in this matter should be the ones to protect it.

- 2/4/2006

No one is caving in...

D K - 2/4/2006

Visit the freedom fighting daily:
www.jp.dk
Bravepaper! Lodge your support, ask your fellow contrymen to Buy Danish!

Peter from Denmark - 2/4/2006

I agree with Slater. Wise words at the end btw.

Peter from Denmark - 2/4/2006

Nobody is caving in. Our PM has said all he can, and the newspaper has already apoligized for offending muslims. There will be no caving in.

I too miss a sense of solidarity in more european countries. They don't have to re-publish the cartoons, as that would be an unnecessary provocation and would only incite further rage towards Denmark. All they should do IMO, is to write an article expressing their support to freedom of speech, but of course they should also emphasize that with freedom of speech you should also have a sense of responsibility.

And about the burning of the Koran. That's just a nasty rumour. Just yesterday there was a rumour that a Koran burning would take place, but it turned out to be false. It is also illegal to burn the Koran or the Bible in Denmark, so don't worry. Even the right-wing groups in our country wouldn't do that, they also consider flag burning to be wrong and "non-danish", so don't worry.

Peter from Denmark - 2/4/2006

What? Where? When?... who's caving in? Our PM hasn't and won't ever apoligize, so who's caving in I ask again?

frigidmagi from the USA - 2/4/2006

Muslims are emotionally tortured huh? To bad my compassion is filled up by the Coptic victums of Muslim riots (literally beat to death for not being muslim) and the Pakistan women who are subjected to forced marriage and rape. Has for everyone who claims you could never get away with showing Jesus or Moses like that... Have you never seen an espode of South Park? Did the Pope call for the death of the creators of South Park? How about the artist who took a statue of Mary and covered it with Shit? He got a fucking government grant from the US federal government. Wow, such a rule of terror those Christians have there.

Now if the muslims want to boycott Danish goods, I say let them knock themselves out. However I think Ham, cheese and beer sounds like one hell of a good meal.

I say there is no damn reason why a Danish newspaper should have to quake in terror over Saudi public opinion, just like Saudi papers shouldn't and don't worry about US public opinion now do they? Freedom of speech does mean you will get offended sooner or later. Islam does not have a right to any special privilage or protection over Hinduism, Buddahism, Christianity or Judaism.

Peter from Denmark - 2/4/2006

Actually we won't. We have one of the strongest economies in Europe and we're one of the richest countries in the world. Of a total export of about 450 billion danish kr, we export for about... hmm I'd recon at most 15 billion kr. to muslim countries in the world. This won't hurt our economy at all, especially since we have a surplus of 80 billion danish kr. last year alone. We'll cope just fine amigo.

Slater - 2/4/2006

That's disgusting... and exactly the reason why we CANNOT cave in!

If we let them win this one, they'll know they have the power to change us, and does anyone really think they won't do it again, the next time something isn't exactly as they want it?

On another note. This is from the article:

"The government of Denmark also claimed it had no power over the newspaper. But we know that is not true."

That's the most biased newsarticle I've ever seen. Not to mention downright lying.

It should be clear to anyone that the muslim world has no interest in calming this situation. They welcome the chance to flex their muscles a bit at the West.

Thomas - 2/4/2006

Yes!
And I am chocked at the western world
not standing by a tiny (but very brave) nation of just 5 million, when our freedom is at stake.
Muslims want to terrorize its own people and the rest of us.
Thanks to Judith for starting the
movement: BUY DANISH !

Slater - 2/4/2006

Not according to this poll.
Where'd you see that?

- 2/4/2006

Just to set the record straight.

After piss christ came out the fundied (christian taliban) boycotted the museum, got the funding for the artist cut off, and tried to get the funding for the entire endowment for the arts cut off. They failed to end that program but they did suceed in reducing it.

Also to be fair piss christ is not the right analogy. The right analogy would be depicting christ giving head to a black man.

I don't think anybody will argue that these cartoons were made to purposfully offend and insult muslims. They worked, the muslims took the bait. Congratulations.

Try it with the jews next time and see what happens. My guess is that you won't be allowed to do it. It might be intersting to try though just to see if free speech in denmark extends far enough to insult the jews in the same way.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

Here is a shorter link:
http://ILoveDenmark.notlong.com

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

I saw this just now on the Guardian's web site:

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The dispute spread to London for the first time. More than 500 people, led by the extremist group al-Ghuraba, formerly al-Mujahiroun, marched to the Danish embassy in Knightsbridge carrying banners calling on Muslims to "massacre" those who insult Islam and chanting: "Britain, you will pay, 7/7 on its way."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1702104,00.html

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Freedom of speech stops when one threatens others with physical harm. How do you allow this to happen Brits?

If you haven't heard of them before, watch this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/progs/05/hardtalk/choudary08aug.ram

Wondering - 2/4/2006

In Sudan thousands demonstrated against denmark, calling: "attack, attack, attack, bin Laden."

I think that bomb in Muhammads turban is covering the subject of Islamic hostility very well!

Peacelover - 2/4/2006

Godd morning to you all - heres some headlines to think about (while you ponder why muslims react so fiercely in connection with terror!?):

Along with the daily deaththreats from palestinians and the fatwas against danish people from the dark imams; the british muslims are now demanding "the heads" of the cartoonists before they will back down. Today, an internetsite often used by terrorists, published a video with some of the cartoonist at the end of a riffle-aim.

Well - I think that cartoon just hit the problem right on the spot: Islam is a religion using hate and fear in everything they do - or am I wrong? Is there any moderate muslims out there, who wil denounce this shitty misuse of their religion?
Come on - step forward, before the whole world sees you as simple terrorists!

- 2/4/2006

We do not want to burn the Qor’an. We Danes respect the moderat muslims of Denmark. And their views on this matter looks a lot like your own. Thank you for you statement. You are a friend. You are welcome in Denmark. We do try to do what ever is in our power to contribute to peace. And it is not dangerous being a muslim in Denmark. Muslims have nothing to fear in Scandinavia.

Bud - 2/4/2006

See for yourself:

www.myblog.de/politicallyincorrect

I can have no respect at the double standards that is present in almost everything the muslim society have said!

Gary - 2/4/2006

Quote: "the jewish claim in palestine is so weak, dont degrade yourself to believing zionist propaganda."

Zionist propoganda? The material I quoted is from the Muslim holy books. As for you, where did you learn history? The Palestinians historically have been wondering nomads rejected by other Arab nations, until the re-establishment of the Jewish state of course.

In ancient times, this land was occupied by the Philistines. They were NOT Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection with Arabia or Arabs. They were made up of migrant "Sea Peoples" who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it "Palastina".

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

Jacob H - 2/4/2006

First of all thank you for the support of the American people.
But where are the US government in this crisis? They have condamned the drawings on TV -but no help for Denmark for standing up for basic human rights??
We are one of USA's oldest allies (since WWII), we have stood side by side with the US in Iraque (1st and 2nd Golf war), in Afghanistan and in the war against terror in general. I can't believe Bush isn't standing up for Denmark, when we need you the most. This man goes on and on about democracy and freedom, but where is he now when a good old friend is in trouble, defending one of the cornerstones of democracy?

This goes for the rest of the EU countries as well. Only local newspapers in a few other countries has helped defend the freedom of speech. Governments hide behind one single announcement from the EU, and hope this is enough for them not to get further involved.
If there's anything to be offended by it's this!

I don't give a shit about the boycutt of Danish products in the Middle East -we have a strong economy, we can easily survive. I'm much more concerned about the death threats, the possible terror attacks, the flag burning, the well being of Danish citizens as well as other westerners. But most of all I'm concerned about the pressure put on us to ban our rights for free speech.

Thanks a lot for everybody supporting this campaign -it's much appreciated.
Jacob H.
A Dane.

Jacob H. - 2/4/2006

Holly - 2/4/2006

Dominion Post og The Press joins the rest of the free world press and print the cartoons....

SAM - 2/4/2006

THESE CARTOON ARE NOT A CASE OF FREEDOME IT IS REALLY A CRIME AGAINST CIVILIZATION OR MODERN SOCIETY . FREEDOM DOEST NOT MEANS SOMEONE SAY OR ACT ANYTHING AGAINST ANYONE. IF ANY NEWSPAPER IN EUROPE BEGAN TO DO THESE LIKE UGLY GAME AGAINST JUDAISM
WHAT WILL HAPPEND? THINK... AND ALL OF MY MUSLIM FRIENDS IN THE WORLD PLEASE BOYCOTT THE DANISH PRODUCTS.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

Three days after 9/11 I got an email from a Muslim friend (it was forwarded all over the Muslim world). The email claimed that 5000 Jews did not go to work on 9/11 because they knew about the attacks from the Israeli Mossad. You know why such outrageous idea is even imaginable to Muslims? It took me 4 years to figure it out. They truly believe that such thing is possible because Islam dominates their life more than his the human nature of caring about the well being of innocent neighbors that are not Muslim.

Slater, you have not lived among Muslims, but I did as I used to be one. They will tell you one thing in your face, but will stab you in the back in a blink of an eye. Keep your guard up! I am not saying all Muslims are extremist, but a lot of them will tell you what you want to hear. Put them in an Islamic country, and their sensibility will not be needed anymore.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

Danes, I am from the so called Arab world, and I want to say that you are fair free people. You should stand tall and be proud as the rest of the world is proud of you and other Europeans that stood behind you as honorable people should do. Your cause is just so do not let all this noise phase you.

Muslims have every right to be offended, but they have no right to tell anyone what they can and can not print in local newspapers. I have been telling them for days on Arabic message boards: "Respect is earned by good example, not forced by terror and threats". Be careful of the extremist Muslims living among you. They are like cancer. They have no loyalty to the country that employs them, and protects their rights. If you study the facts, they are the ones who started the whole misunderstanding by taking the cartoons that were published, along with others (that were more offending to the Muslims) and spread them around the Arab world. I suggest you sue them for spreading lies and for the financial losses you are suffering.

You can find drawings of Mohammad all over one of the most Islamic countries: IRAN.

While living in the Arab world, I saw hundreds of cartoons that depict westerners as animals and monsters published in mainstream newspapers. I was brainwashed to hate Israel and the west and my blood would boil when the word “Jew” or “Israel” was mentioned.

Don't burn the Qor’an. You are better than that. I keep referring to Muslims as "them" because I used to be one. Now my eyes are open to this cult that spreads by terror and fear. My family will kill me in cold blood if they knew. Many people do not believe in Islam, but even the thought of leaving Islam while still living in the Arab or Muslim world is scary. Islam is weak because it relies on fear. Many Muslims are good people, and genuinely believe in a moderate religion that is simply there to empower them to become better human beings, but from my experience, they are not the majority.

If you forget everything I am telling you, just remember the spreading cancer among you. You ignore it, and it will kill you. It has been killing my country for the last 1400 years. They like to call it Islamohpobia, but it really is Extrermophobia.

Ensan 7orr (free human) - 2/4/2006

Thomas - 2/4/2006

Where are all you good people of europe - where are your governments - where are EU?

This battle WILL be won by religious extremist - and our world will never be the same, when denmark caves in to this untolerable threat to its citizens: just imagine what will happen next, when this shows as an arab succes, fighting free speach!

We are in utter schock in denmark: The paper has appologized, our prime minister has denounced the drawings on a personal level, but still the deaththreats keep coming...

Where are you people? Where is solidarity? Is it not your world that is at stake here???

Andrei - 2/4/2006

For the record, I'm an atheist. Therefore, my belief is that there is no god. But I do believe in one thing though: FREEDOM. I believe in freedom to live my life as I ee fit, freedom to pursue happiness, freedom not to be afraid of saying what I have to say because a bunch of thugs can be offended.

Quote:"Consequently, Danish (and other European) papers will refrain from doing so, lest they fall foul of the law and offend Jewish religion sensitivities."

Actually, laws banning anti-semitic behaviour have more to do with the discrimination against Jewish people, regardles of their religion. It doesn't matter if you are an ateist Jew or an ortodox one, the law is clear agains discrimination based on somebody's nationality. And there are laws banning ANY kind of discrimination based on sex, nationality, religion, etc. Arabs are not discriminated exactly because we have such laws.

What most of the muslims on this forum forget is that this was not a case of discrimination. The Danish newspaper published a caricature that happened to be about Mohamad. Similarly, there are shit loads of caricatures of JC, Budha, Vishnu and most other gods.

What happens is that muslims are the first to cry discrimination when it comes to their sensibilities.

Now, let me ask a question for all you anti-freedom of speech people: Is it discrimination when you call for destruction of the State of Israel and death for the "infidels" just because they're not muslims?

And let's not forget the "religion of peace":

Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

- 2/4/2006

using your arguemen indian muslims should sometime come back and occupy saudi arabia. religion is not a race. if i convert to judaism or marry a jewish wife it doesnt give me the right to replace palestinian natives. arab ancestors always lived in palestine even before the eighty years moses and his people came to palestine. the jewish claim in palestine is so weak, dont degrade yourself to believing zionist propaganda.

M.T. - 2/4/2006

Well -its not working, but search after the headline:
"The Power of the Muslim and Arab Worlds"

M.T. - 2/4/2006

www.arabnews.com/?page=7&;section=0&article=77236&d=3&m=2&y=2006

M.T. - 2/4/2006

What you should do, is put pressure on your government, asking them NOT to use this unfortunate insident to serve its own cause in the middle east, but to help one of its oldest and truest allies.
So should The EU - this is simply a disgrace!!!
The religious extremist are winning - I dare not think about our world after denmark caves in!

Read this intolerable fascism:
www.arabnews.com/?page=7&;section=0&article=77236&d=3&m=2&y=2006

Infidelity - 2/4/2006

Whoops!! Big correction. Should be:

"No rational, obviously un-bigoted human being would ever seriously attempt to CONTEST THAT THE FIRST TWO POINTS ARE reasonable/factual/incontestible/whatever-you-like. That's why they're not published."

I attribute this basic lapse of binary logic to the confounded Danish beer I was drinking this evening! Go Danes!!

Infidelity - 2/4/2006

"TOP RIGHT: "THIS IS ANTISEMITISM"
TOP LEFT: "THIS IS RACISM"
BOTTOM: AND THIS.. ISS FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

Too funny!

A children's show here in this part of the world used to feature something accompanied by the musical refrain: "One of these things is not like the other ..." The challenge posed to the juvenile viewer being discernment of which of a set of three members was qualitatively unlike the other two. Can you guess which one MKE?

I'll give you some time ........... (waiting)

OK, times up.

Note if you will the following three demonstrable facts (my inference above is not that you are a child, as surely you've the where-with-all to research the points I now cite without anyone holding your hand, or wiping your chin):

1) Skin colour (or indeed any cosmetic physical feature) exhibits no correlation with level of intelligence or, if we may be so imprecise, basic value/integrity as a human being.

2) The *INDUSTRIAL SCALE EXTERMINATION OF HUMAN LIFE* perpetrated by the Nazis (incidentally only a proportion of which consumed lives of the jewish faith) compares in no serious fashion, quantitatively, or qualitatively with *ANYTHING* ever perpetrated by adherents to zionism (as abhorrent as admittedly they are).

~ mohammed (correct spelling be upon him) is but the latest in a long, long, long, long series of self-appointed, or collectively deified exponents of varied fantasical human belief systems, denoting divine guidance, blah, blah, blah ... The historical variations on this theme are far beyond the scope of this missive. But between you and I, MKE, only yours is the true religion (*wink*).

Just in case the point is still lost on you, note what distinguishes the first two bullets from the third. No rational, obviously un-bigoted human being would ever seriously attempt to pass the first two points off as reasonable/factual/incontestible/whatever-you-like. That's why they're not published. The third point however, well ... heheheh ... that's what makes you mono-theists so fun to pick on!

- 2/3/2006

<<when your freedom cross other people's rights then it is ATTACK>>

There is no "right" not to be offended. You clearly don't have any idea what rights or freedoms are. Which doesn't surprise me.

Frank Goth - 2/3/2006

As an American, I can only say that I support and defend the great people of Denmark 100%!

My Grandfather was killed in WWII fighting the very type of fascists you are now facing, once again, so I have a special fondness for the people who supported the U.S. during that war, and afterwards.

Although we may have different ideas and thoughts, but as a free people, we should be able to express them without fear of attack!

May God Bless Denmark, Her Majesty, Margrethe II Queen of Denmark, and "Gud hjælp, Folkets kærlighed, Danmarks styrke"

Marcus - 2/3/2006

Yes to Freedom!!! Yes to Denmark!!! I cannot believe the West has got itself into this insane position by letting so many democracy-hating people come to live. This MUST stop! It MUST be reversed. We have become weak and gullible in the West. We must stand up to Islamic bullies and tell them NO NO NO!!!

pst314 - 2/3/2006

"He lived long ago and did not insult any in person or in general to deserve this personal attack!"

Really? Wrong. He said many evil things, and he committed many murders. But that gets us to the heart of the matter. According to mainstream, traditional Muslim law and custom, which is indeed supported by the Koran, we are not allowed to disagree with Muslims. Muslims can say anything they want about us and our religions, but we are not allowed to voice our disagreements--on pain of death. All that talk about Islam being a religion of peace and tolerance is just so much hot air.

pst314 - 2/3/2006

Oh, and by the way, Hasan, Muslims have expressed their hateful opinions to my face, too. Hypocritical barbarians.

pst314 - 2/3/2006

And then there is the way Muslims promulgate such defamations as the Blood Libel and the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." On multiple occasions, month-long dramatizations of this have been broadcast on Muslim TV, and to large enthusiastic audiences.

It's time for Muslims to stop behaving like barbarians. And it's time for any Muslim who claims to be civilized to take a stand against these evil lies.

Until that happens, Muslims deserve only laughter and derision when they complain about a few cartoons.

Infidelity - 2/3/2006

OK, lemme be the first to guess this trivia question ... hmmm (thinking).

Is the punishment DEATH!?

Excuse my irreverance, but I couldn't help but notice you use the term "prophet" in the plural. You mean there's more than one? And they preach the same message!? Really, Buddha and Mohammed talk the same talk?

Just how many gods are there anyway? (I've recently lost count).

- 2/3/2006

<<Oh yeah, we are SO silly not to conform to other people's laws.>>

Not only that, but Denmark opposed the ridiculous Software Patents in the EU! I'm seriously starting to consider moving there. :-)

- 2/3/2006

<<Why give the Militants credence in what they claimed about the west?>>

Why give them credence in what WE say about them? Namely, that they are a bunch of muderous slimeballs? Muslims obviously don't REALLY believe in Allah. If they did, they wouldn't insist on taking vengeance on his behalf--they would simply trust Allah to do it himself.

- 2/3/2006

<<Do you think Islam approves depictions of Christ(Hz.Isa) and Moses(Hz.Musa)?>>

I don't care what Islam approves and disapproves. What I care about is that disapproval translates into calls for death. If you believe Allah is offended by drawings of somebody, and if you believe Allah is truly almighty God, then surely you believe that Allah can take revenge without your help. And yet, we hear calls for attacks on Denmark and Europe coming from *ALL OVER* the Middle East.

I'm sure there are Muslims who don't agree with this. You sound like one yourself. But you have to admit that you are in the minority. I'd be frightened to see what would happen to you if you wandered into Mecca and told everyone that it was wrong to attack Denmark. There wouldn't be enough of your body left to feed to the birds once the mob got done with you.

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "Where in the Qu'ran does it say to enslave women?"

Is this close enough?:

Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.” Ishaq:465 “When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us.”

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Adriana - 2/3/2006

I'm an American, and after hearing about all this controversy, I went directly to my International Farmers Market and bought a chunk of yummy Danish Havarti, and a case of Danish Beer (Elephant by Carlsberg) in support of our Danish friends, and their BALLS in defending their freedom of the press. The Muslim boycot is nothing when put against the purchasing dollar of the American public. Their boycott will have little to no effect on the Dane's GNP.

This Havarti is fabulous, and I would put it against my favorite french cheese any day.. For best results, enjoy it at or near room temperature. (Only cream cheese should be eaten straight out of the refrigerator.) It will become one of our staples.

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "and the whole israel thing. i mean israel is a very very horrible thing, and in my opinion (i'm entitled an opinion here, right?) israel is a huge historical error. but we can pretty much do nothing after the fact, right?"

Dude, you need to study history a bit and learn who actually occupied that holy land in the early times. And you might, if you read YOUR teachings, learn who took that land away from the Jews, and the manner in which it was done:

Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.”

Tabari VIII:38 “The Messenger of Allah commanded that all of the Jewish men and boys who had reached puberty should be beheaded. Then the Prophet divided the wealth, wives, and children of the Banu Qurayza Jews among the Muslims.” Ishaq:465 “When their wrists were bound with cords, the Apostle was a sea of generosity to us.”

Infidelity - 2/3/2006

I haven't read the entirety of this thread, but what you say holds merit.

What I think strikes people exposed to popular media however (no less guilty of egregious misrepresentation than its arab counterpart) is the seeming "disproportionate" extremism associated with islam. It goes without saying that every belief system hosts its body of extremists; what strikes people is the comparative excess connected with islam.

Western media shortcomings notwithstanding, there is scant evidence showing that other major religions produce the same frequency, fervency, "quality" and quantity of extremism arising in the name of the faith (excepting perhaps sikhs and hindus). Again we know the perpetrators pervert the message, that's not the point. The natural question is what about islam particularly, renders it prone to extremism in proportions so heinous and pervasive. This links to your appeal about "understanding" it.

As much as is possible please try to excuse my cynical tone. I view all monotheisms the same; whether Christian, Jew, or Muslim, you're all the same blight upon mankind. Just my opinion mind you. ;-)

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "just like America has duped the entire world into believing Muslims are bad..And what happened in the end?.."

You tell us, what happened? And when did America say that Muslims are "bad"? Even George Bush said that Islam is an "honorable religion".

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "The same way it isn't fair to say that prophet mohammed promoted terroism just because a few extremists acted in a terrible way."

YOUR writings speak for themselves:

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.”

Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

E - 2/3/2006

babe, it's the other way around.. 89% support it :)

E - 2/3/2006

Indeed, Jews would not threaten to kill or burn down flags, but do you know why? B/c it would have never taken anyone in the world 4 months to apologize to them.. I'm guessing the apology would have been publicized the very next day in that case. And the shocking thing is: The Muslim population is considerabley larger than the Jewish population. What a revelation!

And btw, up till now Denmark has lost more than $2 billion... in about, what, less than a week? I think that's a shame, all of it caused by a dumb news editor.

ka rim - 2/3/2006

Hirsi is an anti-Islam bigot.

She has on record called Mohammed a tyrant pedophile.

Infidelity - 2/3/2006

Not mentioned so far as I can see ... there's also some nice brews from the "Faxe Brewery". I'm sipping a Faxe Premium right now.

Gad, Faxe even has a brew with 10% alcohol content !!! *hic*

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "why wouldn't Muslims not have the "freedom" to call a boycott."

You do have the freedom to call a boycott, but what sense does it make to boycott a company selling useful products to your country when they had nothing to do with the cartoons?

Quote: "..learn your facts you dumb fuck.."

You resort to name-calling? A good sign that you are not confident with your position. I also suggest you learn some facts about your own "peaceful" religion:

Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 “The Jews were made to come down, and Allah’s Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina, and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men.”

Infidelity - 2/3/2006

Further to my question above, were these the names of individuals beheaded and the like, for insulting you-know-who?

Ka’ab ibn Ashraf
Abu Raafi’
Khalid bin Sufyaan
Al-Asmaa bintu Marwaan
Al-Aswad al-Ansi

Infidelity - 2/3/2006

"He lived long ago and did not insult any in person or in general to deserve this personal attack!"

The irony of this remark is sickening, lest I've been grossly misinformed. Please confirm otherwise, but does the Quran (spelling) not cite numerous instances of individuals that having insulted the Prophet were subsequently killed for their "transgression"!?

Infidelity - 2/3/2006

... religious sensitivities, here's a little joke to curdle your blood.

Q) Why do Sunnis kill Shia and Shia kill Sunnis? (they actually do)

A) So they'll both still have somebody to hate once all the infidels are killed off!

8D

... and while we're on that subject, why do they kill each other anyway? Is it over who holds the most peaceful interpretation of the quran?

Danish Male - 2/3/2006

We are exporters of oil and advanced windtechnology - and we'll even throw in some ham and cheese to keep you happy!

The sooner we are independent from the hypocrite nations of the middle east - the better!

Tired Of Stupid Hipocrasy - 2/3/2006

Why havent you been boycotting other nations goods before - I guess its easier for the Saudi's to wage war on 5 million, than facing the states - am I right?
Soon we dont need your oil (denmark is an exporter - jsut for your knowledge), and your societies will fall behind, and the only muslims worth talking about are living in the western world in peace with the rest of us!
Your religion is in the way of your development - thats just so easy to see!
Stay hot down there, torture some people, surpress some women... If you want respect - change your stupid ways!

M.T. - 2/3/2006

Your spelling is doomed, partner!

BuyDanish - 2/3/2006

Thanks!
Please remember Denmark is only 5 million people, you can easily "make our day" by buying Danish stuff.
As a matter of principle, US papers and magazines should be urged to show the cartoons to express solidarity for our values; and at the same time the readers can judge for themselves what a deathly sin it was!
And note, NO Islamic country has ever refused our taxpayers money, - why is it not offensive to receive aid from the infidel ? Can a believer explain that phenomena.

Bill - 2/3/2006

Well, thats interesting.
It seems that everyone is intollerant. How many people in America distribute child porn? Maybe, 1 in 100,000.
And how many people in the Middle East are suicide bombers or Al Queda supporters? I think it is safe to say that the number is 1 in 100,000.
And yet you characterize America as a nation full of the 1 in 100,000th person, but are mad because someone has made a cartoon depicting Mohammed the way that 1 in 100,000 Muslims use him, which is as a reason for war, death, and murder. For the suicide bombers killing Muslims and non-muslims alike, and for the 9/11 bombers, the Muslim God was used for the purposes of violence by those bombers. You should be more offended by the Muslims that discrace the Islaamic image in this violent way than by the people who voice their negative opinion of the way in which some Muslim's use their religion.
Tensions between the Muslim world and the Western world seem to be building all the time. Both sides need to become tolerant of the others viewpoints, not oppressive. The media on both sides is turning the other side into a monster. I know several Middle East born Muslims, and they are all good people. Please put pressure on your governments to stop the violence, not the cartoons. The western world is a free speech society, and criticizes everything and everyone from time to time, not just the Islaamic world.

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "you people distrbute
child porn god damn you and your
igonrant minds..."

Now there is some real loving words. And the prophet said:

"Qur’an 5:78 “Curses were pronounced on the unbelievers, the Children of Israel who rejected Islam, by the tongues of David and of Jesus because they disobeyed and rebelled.”

Bill - 2/3/2006

Well, now that would be sad. Please don't cut off our oil. Everyone seems to think that if oil goes up to $300 a barrel, we will still be using gasoline in our automobiles. I am a power systems engineer, and I hate to tell you, but alternative forms of fuel will be much cheaper than gasoline once oil crosses the $100 a barrel mark.
In some midwest states we already have Ethanol 85 - 85% ethanol fuel. Hate to say it but the OIL CUT OFF won't affect us for very long.
We can also make fuel cells from sunflower oil. I am pretty sure there aren't many sunflowers growing in the Middle East. Actually, I think there is quite a bit of farmland in America, and in Europe, and Russia.
It does seem that the Middle East dictators do not do a very good job of sharing the oil wealth, though, so most of the Middle Eastern citizens will not be affected by the OIL CUT OFFS you are proposing.
The free world is a world of creation and innovation, not a world of oppression. Good luck with your oil cut offs.

Aleksander - 2/3/2006

This outrage has in context nothing to do with the cartoons from the Danish newpaper. Muhammad has been painted hundreds of times in different ways.
It's "easy" to hate Denmark and boycott Danish products.
It's "easy" to bomb your self in Denmark.
It's "easy" to have a constructive dialogue, without paintings of Mohammad and burning flags

Gary - 2/3/2006

It really goes back as far as the Koran. Bin Laden wasn't kidding when he said he was simply following the words of the prophet:

Qur’an 5:86 “Those who reject Islam and are disbelievers, denying our Signs and Revelations — they shall be the owners of the Hell Fire.”

Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Slater - 2/3/2006

Oh yeah, we are SO silly not to conform to other people's laws. No really, I'm so ashamed of my country. If only we had been smarter, we would have known to do anything Islamists ask us to. Because that is the right thing to do.

Oh shut up or say something useful.

- 2/3/2006

Democracy was born in Europe. And I think it will be in Europe the democracy will prevail or be torn to pieces.

- 2/3/2006

We are on of the richest countries in the world. We will overcome. Peace to you too...

Marcos - 2/3/2006

lol...u danish are silly, you will get ur economy f$#%#@

Mads A from Denmark - 2/3/2006

Thanks, everybody - nice to see that we danes don't stand alone and thank you for boycotting the boycot :-) It has probably been mentioned before, but maybe some of the muslim countries (like Saudi arabia) should take a look at their own country first and recognize the womens right to vote, THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH, recognize the state of Israel etc. before burning the danish flag! Just my humple opinion!

Heidi H - 2/3/2006

Danke für Deine Stützung. Gut dass auch so viele andere Europäer in Bezug auf dieser Sache äussern. Ich glaube, dass die Mehrheit der Dänen sich nicht einschüchtern lassen wollen.

Slater - 2/3/2006

I'm not at all surprised.

Of course the western newsmedia have exaggerated the matter. It's in their best interest to keep this thing going as well.

And once again: Do NOT boycott the muslims in response! It mostly hurts the innocents in this matter, and makes us as bad as them.

Thomas Doubter - 2/3/2006

Shame on US and UK medias for NOT showing absolute solidarity with this tiny, brave nation (Denmark) fighting
all alone for OUR freedom. They are part of the US lead coalition, member of EU and NATO, but receive NO support in a difficult time.
Nowadays it’s respectable to show
beheadings by Islamists of innocent hostages, but it is a deathly sin to make a straight line in a paper and name it Mohammed. Can anybody imagine a newspaper ever printing anything called Mohammed in the future ? They have won! Islamic fascism on the rise.

Bill - 2/3/2006

The cartoon deserves death?
Thats an interesting point of view.
However, you are looking at this from one point of view only. In order to be a tolerant person, you must have the ability to see things from not only your point of view but also from another person's point of view.
In Islaamic societies, it is not acceptable to draw a carricature of Mohammed. The artists who drew these carricatures probably did not know that. They were asked to create a cartoon, and displayed their feelings on paper. In one case, an artist displayed his feelings that people were committing suicide bombings in the name of Mohammed.
Now, the artist could say "I didn't mean to offend anyone". But the truth is, the artist really isn't that tolerant of the other side here either. He believes that he is free to express his feelings and that is what he feels. He probably doesn't really care if he has offended anyone. Obviously he would care that people are potentially being harmed because of his work, but I am sure he would not want to take his work back. To him, he probably made fun of America when America attacked Saddam Huessien's regime. He probably made fun of the pope when it was published that he was an "ex-nazi". And now he has made fun of Muslims who kill in the name of Mohammed. That is what the cartoon artist does. He expresses his opinions through cartoons.
On the other side, people who want to kill the cartoon artists, or people who would boycott all the goods from a nation that bases its foundation on freedom of speech (I am sure that the Danish newspapers attack their own government much more that they attack all Muslim issues combined) are not tolerant either.
Now, is tolerance as I have defined it always a good idea? No. I don't think that it is. In some cases there are 2 sides to a story and one of them definitely does not add up. For example, I would be hard pressed to find a valid argument that validated the Nazi's actions in world war II.
However, in this issue, look at the other guy, and try to imagine what you would think if you were him. If you cannot do this, I would say that you are just not tolerant. Good luck with your one sided closed minded life. If you can, then lets put this thing behind us and move on. Those who back freedom of speech can gain understanding that Muslims are much more sensitive about their religious beliefs than the Western world. Those who are severely offended by the carricatures can gain an understanding of what free speech is and hopefully understand that a cartoon in a newspaper is just one person saying what they feel, not a declaration of war by a country.

Cap P - 2/3/2006

Some of you simply don’t understand freedom. I Denmark the press is totally free. Nobody controls and tells the press what to write or mean. When a newspaper in Denmark prints something someone believes offending, they can try the newspaper at the courts, for e.g. racism etc. But again the courts are independent of the government. In Denmark we use the court to find out if someone have broken the law.

The newspaper that brought the cartoons has apologized for the drawings. The Danish government cannot apologize, since it has nothing to do with the drawings.

I have noticed that some European newspapers are supporting the Danish newspaper by brining the cartoons. But I have also noticed how the US has handled this situation. It actually seems that the newspapers in the US is controlled or at least told what to do by the US government. I actually thought that this is what the US and Danish soldiers were fighting for down in Iraq, - freedom. But maybe freedom is different in the US, maybe it means easier to control. Yes I’m disappointed by the US government, but glad for the buy Danish initiative.

When extremists are on the streets in Denmark, the moderate citizens demonstrate against the extremists. But where are the moderate Muslims?

When a Dane says mutual respect, it means that I will respect your way of living if you respect mine. If a newspaper apologizes for bringing some cartoons, why don’t the Muslim respect that this has nothing to do with Danes in general.

But in Denmark, if you threaten to kill someone, you will properly end up in prison. But I guess that the will run out of room in the Muslim world.

M.T. - 2/3/2006

check out poll on www.aljazeera.com about the boycot: It says almost 3/4 of voters doesn't back the boycott on danish products.

Is there still hope out there?!

dfgh - 2/3/2006

No need to heroize Jyllands Posten like that: they didn't know that they would offend so many people - now they appologized - lets move on!

gut - 2/3/2006

Nobodys attacking Mohammad - but it can be seen that way if you cut away everything else than your religion - try to understand it now - the danes are not devilish racist, man!

Diane Stafford - 2/3/2006

I strongly support the Danish people and their products.I most definitely will buy anything I can find that comes from Denmark.
GO DENMARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Javed - 2/3/2006

Dear Pat Conlin,
Muslim are not allowed to depict any prophet (yes Jesus Christ included), and Budha too in a cartoon or anyother form. The punishment for depicting them is the same as depicting Mohammed.

Marino (US) - 2/3/2006

Off the top of my head, instances in which Jesus/Moses/God have been depicted in satire in the U.S.:
-Popular late-night talk show host Conan O'Brien , doing a comedy sketch on proposed new university athletics mascots, included "hung-over God," which was exactly what it sounds like: God lying in bed with a headache popping fistfuls of advil.
-The animated sitcom "The Simpsons" has depicted God on numerous occasions, including God in a vision to Homer telling him it was ok to watch football on Sundays instead of going to Church, and Homer asking God in heaven to undo the rapture.
-"Family Guy," another animated comedy, has depicted Jesus on numerous occasions, including an appearance as a gun-toting action hero in "The Passion of the Christ 2."
-The sketch comedy program "Mad TV" has depicted Moses in the style of salacious recording artist Prince in a skit, which includes Prince/Moses using his divine influence to part the legs of a woman.
I realize that it is not the same, as the rules of Judaism and Christianity are not nearly as strict in terms of what can and cannot be depicted. I realize that there is outrage in the Islamic world that must be met with understanding and efforts to bridge a very obvious gap in communication. But does anyone else find irony in the fact that some those mortally offended by depictions of Mohammad as violent are responding with threats of violence?

Bob - 2/3/2006

We have had artists dip a crucifix in urine and throw cow dung all over a statue of the Virgin Mary.
Saudi slime crushed the rosary of a nun when she flew into the country on layover. they also shredded her bible, which is similar to desecration of the koran. Remember the muslims throwing a childish temper tantrum over the Guantanemo Bay Koran desecration? How is that any different?
Muslims do a lot more than merely mock Christians. In Indonesia, the worlds most populous muslim nation, 3 girls were recently murdered for being Christian, a market that sold pork for Christians who were buying for the New Year celebration was bombed, and some teachers were arrested for trying to convert Muslims. In Pakistan Christians were expelled from their homes to make room for muslim victims of the earthquake. In Egypt, coptic Christians are often tricked into converting and women are taken from their families and the churches are burned. Churches bombed in Iraq. The Church of the Nativity was turned into a fort for Palestinian muslim madmen to fire at Israeli troops and most of the Christians with longstanding histories in that area have fled because of the muslims. Raping of women in Australia. Bombing markets in the Philippines. Is it really necessary to go on?

... and muslims are threatening to kill Europeans over a few cartoons? When is it going to stop? How far is this going to have to go because I don't see the west captitulating on the free speech issue? Grow some skin.

DenmarkX - 2/3/2006

http://denmarkx.blogspot.com/

In an effort to support Denmark in its fight for free speech, a 'Buy Danish' global campaign has been started!

As most know, the muslim world is boycotting Danish products because a Danish newspaper has printed carricatures of Mohammed.
Muslims have responded by burning flags, terrorizing people, boycutting products, death threats and other extreme measures, proving the very thing the cartoons were illustrating in the first place.

Denmark has been steadfast in defending free speech, but as a small country, Denmark is also very vulnerable to boycuts to its products.

How can I help? Buy Danish products!

- Carlsberg & Tuborg Beer
- Lego's (Mindstorms for instance!)
- A lot of bacon and meat products are Danish
- Cheese such as Havarti and Feta are often Danish
- Lurpak butter (The best butter you will ever have too!)
- Bang & Olufsen HiFi (Maybe pricy for most of us)

You can find all danish export products / companies here:
http://www.danishexporters.dk

Also read up on all of this on Wikipedia :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons

If you want to see the offending artwork, look at :
http://mohammed-cartoons.blogspot.com/

And take your next vacation to Copenhagen, see Tivoli and the little Mermaid. While you are there, pick up a copy of Jyllands Posten - bravest little newspaper in the world.

Even if you hate forwarded mail as much as everyone else, please consider sending this email to close friends and keep free speech alive.

Next time you are shopping, vote for free speech!

Jesse - 2/3/2006

Considering that the only thing that seperates mid east oil exporting nations from other wretched 3rd world nations such as Somalia IS OIL and only OIL, I highly doubt if the sheiks would shoot themselves in the kneecaps to prove some ill defined religous point.
When its all said and done, them sons of bitches are every bit as greedy and materialistic as anyone in the west, if not more so.

William - 2/3/2006

hi folks

Imagine the islamic countries without the inventions that followed the work of people who kept looking for facts, despite constant threats and killings by the medieveal Christian Church. They would be happily unaware of electricity, magnetism,the laws of gravity and ....colour tv, another 500 years into the future. Unaware of the unmoral, evil people surrounding them....

Have fun out there !

Slater - 2/3/2006

Aw, for crying out loud!

Do NOT stoop to their level by boycotting them. Not all muslims are supporting this overreaction.

An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind. We need to be the "adults" here.

Slater - 2/3/2006

Why? I know a lot of Danish muslims, and none of them support this insane reaction from the muslim countries.

Perhaps a few Danish muslims do support it, but that's no reason to get mad at the 90% good and sensible Danish muslims. That would be stooping their level.

Slater - 2/3/2006

"I ask can you dare accuse the Jews of Israel of murder and masacre of the palestanians? I think not."

Of course we dare. And we have. But that's a totally different discussion, and not really relevant to this situation. I very much doubt any jews would burn the Danish flag and go about beating Danes in the streets if we told them they were treating the palestinians a bit too rough.

Will - 2/3/2006

I think you have a valid point, why attack Mohammed?
However, you are looking at this from one point of view only. In order to be a tolerant person, you must have the ability to see things from not only your point of view but also from another person's point of view.
In Islaamic societies, it is not acceptable to draw a carricature of Mohammed. The artists who drew these carricatures probably did not know that. They were asked to create a cartoon, and displayed their feelings on paper. In one case, an artist displayed his feelings that people were committing suicide bombings in the name of Mohammed.
Now, the artist could say "I didn't mean to offend anyone". But the truth is, the artist really isn't that tolerant of the other side here either. He believes that he is free to express his feelings and that is what he feels. He probably doesn't really care if he has offended anyone. Obviously he would care that people are potentially being harmed because of his work, but I am sure he would not want to take his work back. To him, he probably made fun of America when America attacked Saddam Huessien's regime. He probably made fun of the pope when it was published that he was an "ex-nazi". And now he has made fun of Muslims who kill in the name of Mohammed. That is what the cartoon artist does. He expresses his opinions through cartoons.
On the other side, people who want to kill the cartoon artists, or people who would boycott all the goods from a nation that bases its foundation on freedom of speech (I am sure that the Danish newspapers attack their own government much more that they attack all Muslim issues combined) are not tolerant either.
Now, is tolerance as I have defined it always a good idea? No. I don't think that it is. In some cases there are 2 sides to a story and one of them definitely does not add up. For example, I would be hard pressed to find a valid argument that validated the Nazi's actions in world war II.
However, in this issue, look at the other guy, and try to imagine what you would think if you were him. If you cannot do this, I would say that you are just not tolerant. Good luck with your one sided closed minded life. If you can, then lets put this thing behind us and move on. Those who back freedom of speech can gain understanding that Muslims are much more sensitive about their religious beliefs than the Western world. Those who are severely offended by the carricatures can gain an understanding of what free speech is and hopefully understand that a cartoon in a newspaper is just one person saying what they feel, not a declaration of war by a country.

mohammed from Jordan - 2/3/2006

Shame on you and youe people and people who support your kind of people personally i beleive in mohammed and jesus and mosaus and all
the prophets in my suggestion you are
going in the wrong direction oh but
i forgot that you people distrbute
child porn god damn you and your
igonrant minds god created the mind
to balance between right and wrong
i guess that you people have an upside down brain attached to your heads

Pat Conlin - 2/3/2006

I'm an American and I just bought a case of Danish candy and I will continue to buy Danish, one of the problem with the Muslim world is that they don't have a sense of humor. I am sure they have cartoons about Christ and Budha.

Dianne Starkins - 2/3/2006

Hmmmmm...I can't think of anything else they export besides terrorism.

Where are the craven US press? Creeping dhimmitude has taken over the State Department which finds the cartoons offensive. Not even lip service for freedom of the press.

I'm disgusted.

Philip - 2/3/2006

*sigh* Please read up one what is actually going on, before you start yelling. You obviously have no idea why the pictures were made, published, and how this debate started.

- 2/3/2006

I think the Danes should start deporting all the muslims from the country, can't wait to see what happens then. Send them back to where they came from and they would never be able to open their mouths, love how they take advantage in countries other than their own.

Haitham Hamed - 2/3/2006

Why give the Militants credence in what they claimed about the west?
why Insult Someone (profit Mohammed) who has been in the forefront of tolerance.
He lived long ago and did not insult any in person or in general to deserve this personal attack!
Why attack him? It could have been well justified to show Bin laden wearing the Turban with the bomb. No one would have complained.
I ask can you dare accuse the Jews of Israel of murder and masacre of the palestanians? I think not.
You know very well the wrath of Judia.............

Christer - 2/3/2006

What other then oil is there that I can boycott from the muslim countries?

Scandinavian - 2/3/2006

"Alsalam alykom (peace upon you)"

If you really mean this - take action over the hudlums of Palestine; burning our flag (the cross!), beating our citizens, threatening to kill the rest in the middle east, and to bomb freely in our cities - stop your crazy imams escalating this conflict - behave like a human, and tell the world that you dont support these actions by your fellow believers!

Or shut up (with the morality talk, at least)!

ka rim - 2/3/2006

absolutely not.

I didn't hear it, I read it.

The Danish paper even consulted with few experts and some of them warned them that it would be highly offensive...but they made the decision to publish it.

Here is the article:

http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&;alt=&trh=20060202&hn=29334

Professor Tim Jensen, a prominent Danish theologian, said the caricatures should not be published, warning the newspaper “It will offend Muslims and only cause pointless provocation.” A lecturer at South Denmark University, Mr. Jensen summarized his answer to Zaman regarding the Jyllands Posten newspaper: “Surely, Denmark has freedom of press, but pictures of the Prophet Mohammed have never existed throughout history. Any picture or caricature to be published will offend Muslims deeply. It would be provocation in a climate where Islam and Muslims are already in the limelight. It’s like pouring gas on the fire.”

Another point Professor Jensen, a leading expert on religious history and the author of ‘Religion Guide’ to Islam, Christianity, and Judaism, noted is the depiction of the Prophet Mohammed as a terrorist. “In a climate where Islam is associated with terrorism, depicting the Prophet Mohammed with a bomb on his head is both offensive and insulting” said Jensen, underlining the involved caricatures go beyond normal caricatures or pictures. Jensen added he requested the newspaper evaluate thoroughly its responsibilities and avoid any publications that would rupture up Denmark’s relationship with Muslims.

- 2/3/2006

Death threats from who?

Peter from Denmark - 2/3/2006

You know what... most danes don't really react to the boycott, they react to the death threats. We have a tradition here in Denmark to boycott too, like when France tested their nukes, we boycottet their wine. So we accept and respect their choice to boycott us Danes, we don't understand why they would boycott a whole nation for what one newspaper did... but meh.

We don't like the death threats though, but we don't mind the boycott especially since it's not gonna hurt our economy very much.

Kenneth - 2/3/2006

It wasn't Denmark who started this whole mess, it was a NEWSPAPER! And by all means let them boycott us, but what about the death threats, EH?!? Any comments on that?!

So, if I understand you correctly, because a danish newspaper started it all, then that means the angry muslims can do whatever they like? Don't you think it's hypocritical to demand an apology for the muhammed cartoons after having burned the danish flag and threatened the lives of innocent danish people?

- 2/3/2006

Where in the Qu'ran does it say to enslave women? And muslims aren't the only ones who kill innocent people..Take a look at the American jail systems and the amount of serial killers the just kill all innocent people..You have no clue what islam is about, Do not base the religion on Extremists such as the Taliban..that does not even make up 2% of what muslims believe..Seriously grow up out of this "enslavement, terrorist" bullshit and actually understand the religion with an open mind instead of some bullshit opinions you got off some hate website

Pomerol - 2/3/2006

"Have you ever seen a muslim disgracing Christ, Virgin Mary or Moses??????????"

Yes I have. Muslims are burning the Danish Flag in Gaza. Take a close look at the Flag. What do you think the white cross stands for - yep you guessed right - it stands for Christianity.

"Would u be willing to print cartoons disgracing jesus, mary, and moses..."

It has already been done. In denmark for instance by a Danish artist showing Jesus with an erected penis.
I actually fund it to be quite funny.

"Nonetheless, i feel that only love and caring can remove differences amongst us."

That I do agree upon...

Use your mind - 2/3/2006

Ha you people are so stupid, Comments by people like Kenneth and Kent..how are you guys so ignorant as to base all muslims on one single stereotype..You take a few cases of terrorism and of a few terrorists who made the stupid decision to attack the trade center and all of a sudden base an entire religion on it?..If we are going to base a nation of people because of actions a few of them ahd committed then I guess this is fair game too...Since there are so many peadofiles, rapists, killers who are caucasian and christians, well then I guess Jesus like to play with young boys too didn't he? Oh wait thats not fair is it? The same way it isn't fair to say that prophet mohammed promoted terroism just because a few extremists acted in a terrible way. Oh but wait a minute, lets not forget that you guys have a few terrosists too..Does the oklahoma bomber ring a bell? (He just happened to be a white terrorist).

You people are blinded by ignorance..since when is the muslim religion based on enslaving women, and killing children..How come you christians aren't looked at in the same way, you have rapists everyday killing kids, but I guess that doesn't apply to you right?

History is repeating itself people..The Germans duped their entire nation into believing that Jews were bad as an excuse to take over Europe, just like America has duped the entire world into believing Muslims are bad..And what happened in the end?..

Hasan - 2/3/2006

even European Union member countries including France and Germany have passed laws making the denial or minimization of the Holocaust a crime.

Germany's parliament passed legislation in 1985, making it a crime to deny the extermination of the Jews. In 1994, the law was tightened. Now, anyone who publicly endorses, denies or plays down the genocide against the Jews faces a maximum penalty of five years in jail and no less than the imposition of a fine.

The cartoon stint is part of the world wide terrorism started against the Muslim community after 9/11. Have you ever seen a muslim disgracing Christ, Virgin Mary or Moses?????????? Why? Because its in our religion to give respect to both and respect other religions. Why dont you see such cartoons of Christ or Moses we can be more creative than your western cartoonist who depicted Prophet Muhammad. I believe that such cartoons are the figment of a defeated mind and lost souls. Muslims should exercise restrain and patience... the intention of such cartoons remain to aid in creating another wave of crusades. Another point worth mentioning is that Muslims have never done any harm to Christians, infact they consider the Christians to be closest to them even then we have seen crusades and media wars against Muslims...Nonetheless, i feel that only love and caring can remove differences amongst us. Would u be willing to print cartoons disgracing jesus, mary, and moses...

LOL - 2/3/2006

Dave you are a media monkey..You are all talking about "freedom" for all, and yet at the same time you are blaming muslims for stating their "free" right of boycotting Danish products..remember with freedom comes equality..

Just a question to you all anyways..If America was to publish a cartoon basically humiliating all danish or europeans (and not in a joke or some type of funny humor but something truely demeaning), would you all still be talking about freedom? Because if freedom is the case than how come we are so against KKK memebers burning crosses, and showing pictures of dirty "niggers" or "big nosed" jews all in the media and in the public..Isn't that freedom of speech, or wait does that spread hatred? Then again so does taking a religions icon and strapping him with bombs..

Fact is if America or any country for that matter was to put a picture in their major news papers that truely would offend Danish or European people would you all be stating you freedom of speech?
No I doubt the majority of you will, you would most likely do exactly what the muslims did and boycott American products.. Quit being such fucking hypocrits..

Pomerol - 2/3/2006

"POWER TO THE PEOPLE"

If you knew the history behind that specific sentence you would in fact support democracy.....

Pomerol - 2/3/2006

It's a fact that the West is superior to the Arab World. You can cut of the Oil. But in the end everyone knows who will loss that battle. If the Arabs don't want to be kicked back into the desert again - they really gotta get with the program. We are living in the 21th century. Don't think the Arab Sheiks don't know this. They are well aware of their dependence on Western know-how and technologies. Peace mate....

- 2/3/2006

I do not understand Why you guys get upset?I could not get it.CNN has to join the wrongdoing?The reason is not a simple enough!

Hey, you know you can boycott it to not to watch.It is nice to see sometimes responsible press in the western.I ll go ahead and turn the channel to CNN.

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THE NEO-FASCIST WARMONGERING Republicans on this site. Don't forget that It is the same people who, despite being modernized, would support the DEATH PENALITY, ie STATE SPONSORED POISONING OF CONVICTS, MOST OF WHOM ARE POOR BLACK PEOPLE."

Really? And what do you support?

Qur’an 8:12 “I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

- 2/3/2006

accidently? I do not quite sure it happened accidently.The newspaper discussed the matter before it published.That accident can be happen all the time.

What amaze me, i do have some spare time to go internet and read forums.I could not counted how many people hated(again it was a free speech issue and right now discussion takes over muslims practices which misleaded information by press,political or any other waY) from Islam or muslim people.You can not put all the muslim in a bag and sealed as a terrorist.

What free speech are we talking about here? The law says thou shalt not utilize or publish anti-semitic language or imagery. Consequently, Danish (and other European) papers will refrain from doing so, lest they fall foul of the law and offend Jewish religion sensitivities. The law does not say: thou shalt not offend muslims or use imagery that may be deeply offensive to them. So Danish papers will not refrain from doing so, in fact they will go out of their way to offend Muslims both in Denmark and around the world, in the name of "free speech." And the Norwegians? Well, they just decided to follow the Danes down perdition lane, all in the name of holy hypocrisy, so a Norwegian paper also published the offending cartoons. The statement about "confronting radical Islam" was in fact made by the Norwegian editor of a newspaper that is described as a "Norwegian Christian Paper." And now that other European papers and Magazines have also followed suit, if there was any doubt that this affair is one of anti-Muslim bias, it was swept away by the statements of the Editor in Chief of Die Welt, the German magazine, who declared that the right to publish the cartoons was "at the very core of our culture" and that Europeans cannot "stop using our journalistic right of freedom of expression within legal boundaries." It's the "legal boundaries" qualifier that gives the game away: there are no legal boundaries in Europe protecting Muslims from the same ignominies that the law protects Jews from.I respect Jewish sensitivities when it comes to the Jewish holocaust, not because the law says so, but because it's the right thing to do.

And EU definitly needs to put consideration to issue a law for other religions.Because Muslims deserve nothing more nor less than for Christians,Jewish or any other religion in the world.

Dave Malfleur - 2/3/2006

In addition to buying Danish wherever possible, I would also advocate for my countrymen in England boycotting as far as possible anything produced by a Muslim country and lobbying for the immeditate termination of any further immigration by Muslims into Great Britain except on the most compelling of compassionate grounds. Enough is enough.

Sasha - 2/3/2006

i never really bought danish products, but now that this issue came up, i am gonna help danish people and defend FREE SPEECH and buy anythign danish when i can.

Gary - 2/3/2006

Quote: "I do not mind to person tell me Islam is violent or any other bad points which pumped by political, press or any other way."

It's in your Sira (biography), Ta’rikh (history), Hadith (report), and Qur’an. We don't need to get information about Islam from the press. Your Books speak for themselves, as does history.

Bono - 2/3/2006

Well denmark is an exporter of oil - and we would surely do anything to help our fellow americans with their oil... as for you: you would have nothing to export, other than your intolerable hatred - so please go ahead; I dont think there is a marcet for your no. 2 exportarticle anywhere else than your poor opressed countries! And you could always eat the sand!

Viva freedom of speach!

ka rim - 2/3/2006

How about when the Arabs cut the OIL faucets OFF...

This protest is truly popular (governments have basically no role in it), watch for what you wish for..

THe Muslims have endured insults and demonizations of all kind since 9-11 including a full scale invasion that has killed over 100,000 people in Iraq in front of their eyes on their TV sets.

Maybe the average folk just had enough.

Maybe the time has come to CUT THE OIL OFF.

Let's see what the TRUCK and SUV polluting and driving redneck would do when a gallon of gas becomes 20 dollars.

WHen Iran said it would hold a "holocaust conference", no Arab nation offered to do the same in "solidarity" when the entire West condemned it.

THE PEOPLE HAVE FINALLY SPOKEN.

POWER TO THE PEOPLE.

TO THE GOOD PEOPLE OF DENMARK, SAYING SORRY DOES NOT HURT.

PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THE NEO-FASCIST WARMONGERING Republicans on this site.

Don't forget that It is the same people who, despite being modernized, would support the DEATH PENALITY, ie STATE SPONSORED POISONING OF CONVICTS, MOST OF WHOM ARE POOR BLACK PEOPLE.

John - 2/3/2006

I actually started boycotting all danish products last week because I was disgusted with Denmark. I cant believe how irresponsilbe the government and people of Denmark are. If you dont respect people then dont expect them to buy your shit! as simple as that. I sympathesize with muslims all around the world for being emotionally tortured and for going through so much humilation every day in the "FREE" world.

ka rim - 2/3/2006

John - 2/3/2006

Well , because Denmark started this whole problem. thats why muslims are boycotting Denmark! and the opposite is not happening because muslims made no mistake. Denmark was the one to offend

Pomerol - 2/3/2006

Perhaps you should read my post again. I never said the Western Media is uncut...
But It sure isn't as censored as in the ME....

Jon Tuck - 2/3/2006

As a matter of psychological profile, Muslim males are perfect examples of the Character-Disordered personality type. The thug's go around killing, murdering and terrorizing innocent men,women and children. Then, automatically, with no effort, their meager conscience goes BLANK... Then, there was never a more innocent group. So when some wayward Cartoonist, with a REAL Conscience, meanderes over a very wayward
sandal or two, - is that a PIG one hears oinking and squealing.... ???

MKE - arab muslim - 2/3/2006

can i live without lurpak butter?

i too am an arab, and i find this whole issue ridiculous.

please excuse arabs, most of the boycotters are passionate about something they dont really understand. only a few real hate spreaders did what they did intentionally.

Paul - 2/3/2006

http://buydanish.home.comcast.net/
or
http://home.comcast.net/~buydanish
Send me your links and we will tell everyone how to end the Danish Boycott. buydanish@comcast.net. The site is ugly but it's late.

Ignorance is Bliss - 2/3/2006

Do I promote the burning of the Danish flag?: NO

Do I promote the cartoons put in the news papers?: NO

How could you guys possibly promote these kind of actions and disrespect a religion..I see that some people here are saying that sure search the internet for pictures offending christianity or the jewish faith..but the internet and television shows that innocently poke fun at religion are by far a different case than what happened..Quit saying "check the internet there are tons of things making fun of jesus"..then again on the internet you can find pictures of women sucking off a horse..Imagine if a new paper like the LA Times, or the New York post put up a picture that disrespects the christian faith..
Plus if you people are so intent on freedom of speech than quit being so hypocritical, if the danish cartoonists have the "freedom" to draw those pictures, than why wouldn't Muslims not have the "freedom" to call a boycott.

And for the individual who thought that he would put that website about the religion of peace..learn your facts you dumb fuck..The media has pointed to absolute extremists..Enslave our women? Where does that happen..Go to Lebanon, Beruit, Dubai, Egypt..Enlsavement happening there? I think not..We support terroism? The only people who support terroism are muslim extremists, and do not be such a dumb fuck as to generalize all muslims as those people.. Thats like me going to the leader of the KKK and asking him what he thinks about blacks and jews than coming to the conclusion that ALL christians or whites believe that blacks should be burned at the stake, and women should spend their lives in kitchens. You people are so ignorant and do not even realize how close muslim religion is with both Christianity and Judism. Muslims recognize both Jesus christ and Moses as prophets, we recognize Mary Magdaline and the three wise men..and we believe in the exact same god as you do, Allah is not a different god than the one you believe, what you have to understand that our beliefs are different, not our god. You people should really learn what islam is from people other than the broadcasters at CNN and igrnorant websites that you've posted up. And do not get the idea that I promote any type of terromism, or I believe in suicide bombings keep in mind that people who do support that are EXTREMISTS..And how could you people even talk shit about a religion when the Catholic faith has priests molesting little boys? Yeah you might want to take that in consideration, you have people who are suppose to be one of the highest powers in your religion touching young boys and you have the nerve to talk about any other religion? And as far as the media that makes fun of Jesus and Moses..somebody show me a news paper that actually has a picture of either one of those two profits were they are protrayed in disrespect(im not posing this as a challenge im just interested to see). And to end this note, A picture of prophet Mohammed carying bombs because theres a selected bunch of muslim extremists that promote that stuff, is like posting a picture of Jesus having sex with a little boy just because a few selected priests have chosen to molest boys.

Knowledge is power, if you want to get facts, take it from both sides not just one.

MKE - arab muslim - 2/3/2006

as i was saying,

the simple dream solution only realizes if:
1- israel gives back the arab muslim land in accordance with international law (which btw is like 30% the land of historical palestine, instead of just taking the whole thing.. and playing the victum and bitching about a few pathetic suicide bombers. i mean people.. the mussad? 2nd best intelligence can stop a handful of men from blowing themselves up?).

2- the western media stops painting that horrible picture of arabs. i mean i personally never met a man with a beard.. at last not in the past couple of months. i have a girlfriend, i drink (in moderation) and can reasonably speak a second language. why is it assumed that most people are just ignorant pigs with a great amount of hate?

3- the media here should stop showing the west as a force meant to crush islam (although it doesnt do it as severely as the western media demonizes arab muslims).

one final remark:

i really doubt this mosa guy is an arab. maybe i'm wrong. maybe he's just a sick islamophobist

MKE - arab muslim - 2/3/2006

the danish PM shouldnt've apologized anyways. the boycott will end soon.

just one final comment: if anybody made fun of any group of people Andrey Kazankov mentioned(Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, Heaven's Gaters, Scientologists, vegans, fetishists, teetotallers, New Agers, circus freaks, and blonds) (btw, lol;)) including the, no body would complain. if somebody draws a cartoon portraying jews as cheap stingy people with big noses and misproportioned hairy bodies THEN the newspaper, and probably denmark will be in trouble.

its the only thing i feel uneasy about in this whole debate.

finally the following cartoon explains the dominant arab point of view with great clarity:

http://www.mahjoob.com/en/archives/view.php?cartoonid=1713

THE TITLE READS "DANISH PRODUCTS"
TOP RIGHT: "THIS IS ANTISEMITISM"
TOP LEFT: "THIS IS RACISM"
BOTTOM: AND THIS.. ISS FREEDOM OF SPEECH

MKE - 2/3/2006

hey there,

i myself am an arab muslim. i dont believe that this mosa guy is not an arab, otherwise why whould he put his full address just to prove that?

any anti-arab dipshit can pretend that they can't write in legibile english and destroy our image in the west in the same manner our media (well, some of it) tries to portray the cartoon "issue" as an evil danish plot to destroy muslims.

my sympathies "mr. mosa"

CommonSense - 2/3/2006

If the Muslims decide to boycott all the countries that have printed the muhammed caricatures then at least we will get to see if they could get by without us.

Thoughts?

MKE - 2/3/2006

hello there,

i myself am a muslim arab. and i do not intend to boycott danish products.. the cheeses are too good.

i personally dont care whether or not someone halfway around the world drew a picture mocking a man i happen to admire, who, mind you, lived 1400 yrs ago..

the fact of the matter is that most arabs never saw the pictures. the media just got excited about the whole issue and for a reason portrayed that the danes make fun of muslims in their daily newspapers. the prophet is a very reverred man here. muslims are so sensitive to western hostilities (this incident doesnt qualify as one btw) because the west wronged them and screwed with the middle east throughout history. starting with the middle ages (the crusades..) and the whole israel thing. i mean israel is a very very horrible thing, and in my opinion (i'm entitled an opinion here, right?) israel is a huge historical error. but we can pretty much do nothing after the fact, right?

i sincerely believe that the problems with the west, including terrorism, anti-americanism, and anti-europeanism all depend on (continued)..

kim (dane) - 2/2/2006

Yes good idea. Maybe set it up in danish first and then if other want to contribute make an english version. hmm have to get a hold on all the firms then.

just reading up on local news. another dairy firm had to fire 17% of their workforce. Apparently is seems like it is mostly dairy firms who struggles so far. maybe due to short lifecyclus products.

Denmark is a net exporter of energy including oil. so we are independt from them in that area. could be. let´s hope it will ease out, but it seems the treats in denmark becomes more and more severe. the newspaper already been evacuated a few times due to bomb threats. and more than 200 danish web sites been cracked due to the toons.

Gman - 2/2/2006

Carlsberg from here on out.

Jesse - 2/2/2006

Ye stout hearted Danes - Know that islamic fascism WILL NOT prevail over Western values. EVER !
We in the USA, your racial cousins, support you 100% in thought, words and action.

CommonSense - 2/2/2006

You should really get out the message. It would be nice to get an easy site to donate to these workers. People just want some place to put there political anger in the form of money.

As for the Islamic World, we should boycott them. Ha. Oil fixes that. But there are other things. I think?

Kristina - 2/2/2006

Go to http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/freespeech1 to sign a petition in support of Denmark.

Kristina - 2/2/2006

Go to http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/freespeech1
to sign a petition supporting Denmark.

Gary - 2/2/2006

Right, blame the US for all the violence against the Muslim world. And you are angry for the people who were killed? I am angry for the Jews that your prophet killed; "And Muhammad said, Kill every Jew" in the Sira, Ta’rikh and Hadith. I am angry for 3,000 innocent civilians targeted on September 11th. I am angry about Hamas targeting civilians with suicide bombers. I can go on with other examples if you wish. Call Democracy “disgusting” if you wish, and continue living in your backwards, barbaric existence.

CommonSense - 2/2/2006

I am most certainly for the publications of these images(www.muhammedcaricatures.com), but are your serious about the dark ages?
The freedoms of speech we enjoy now developed well after the end of the dark ages.

Technically

Javed - 2/2/2006

I won't, I am already overweight and all they have is fatty food. cookies, cheese or whatever they make

CommonSense - 2/2/2006

Current thought: Burning the Irish Flag(with kick ass cross): semi-equivalent of the portraying of Muhammed's images/caricatures. (www.muhammedcaricatures.com)

Question?: Is it a Double Standard for the Dane in the earlier blog to be very angry and Religious-like for his Country, but then criticize Muslims over their response to the recent portrayals of Muhammed. (see blog #75297),.

My Opinion: Technically: True and False, depending on your primary definition of what the “standard” is, which of course in this case is the response to offenses against their respective religion that is not acceptable.

Technically

Idea#1 Any angry response that creates either verbal or physical aggression(refer to exp. above) is considered the standard in the U.S. Therefore our young mate was in the strict definition(our strict definition) expressing a double standard.

vs.

Idea#2 Forget slapping your enemy, aggressive responses to our way of life, which THIS time involves the Sunday Funnies, are part of the daily life of the Muslim world=Islamic/Arab/Middle Eastern THINKING They have done harm to America/United States/Western World over their EXTREME Religious Zealotry which turns into Aggression against the world in the form of Suicide Bombers, , etc, against the exact same response, technically, for the burning of the Irish Flag=Christianities Cross

Logically: Obviously Religion plays a much, much bigger role in Muslim lives and how they ACT, and these actions for reason’s unknown don’t seem to get the Islamic world too mad. It appears their “standard” allows these attacks, etc. For statistics see Google on middle eastern polls.

Conclusion: Muslim’s tacitly allow all the acts of terrorism against the West. They have extreme aggression, however, for a westerner, non-muslim degrading their Saint in caricatures (www.muhammedcaricatures.com). Currently, the Muslim word is lacking in a true understanding of tolerance and freedom of speech

The next question would be to ask “What” in these two different cultures accounts for such a difference.

My opinion: Americans are not known to be gentle people, but the Muslim world has them beat by a mile. Muhammed established his religion via Plunder (see Google: Plunder history) and demanded some, what Westerners would consider, goofy rules to be followed. At the time, however, these rules were brilliant as a war strategy. Like Bismark, Muhammed knew power and expansion comes through conquering and taking what is currently not yours. After initial Plunder success in Arabia, who did he conquer next? His idea: any land and its people that do not subscribe to his religion will be converted or killed. These “outside” people were known as Infidels. His expansion and power strategy worked, creating a religion to his goals, therefore assuring a continued push to expand outward for his people through the usual means of violence.
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Comments?

Javed - 2/2/2006

In the West its called "Bondage". Isn't it?

Javed - 2/2/2006

[Comment removed: Violation of HNN Standards]
For the other part.

I was not planning to boycott, but after reading your response I do not think there is any way around it.

they don't assimilate, do not share our values,....... its going in that direction buddy.

Jacob (dane) - 2/2/2006

Javed, [Comment Edited: Violation of HNN Standards]

And to the people in USA, and everywhere, who supports Denmark, thanks! And belive me there are no way we are saying "sorry" just to sell a bit more cheese! Beside our economy can easily survive!

They can boycutt us all they want! In worst case we'll just fucking eat it ourself...

Muslims, If you don't like the drawings don't look at them...

BMC - 2/2/2006

Who would'a guessed it - that every Arab wakes in the morning to reach for their dark roast coffee and Danish morning news. Not me at any rate.

You nailed it Michelle. They don't have to read our cartoons any more than we have to read their prophets.

I find the notion of "Buycott" a compelling one and will recommend all my Canadian friends buy arab-boycotted Danish goods of their choosing. The guy beside me at work is a big cheese fan for instance.

Michael from Toronto

p.s.

If you want a good laugh sometime, do some concerted research into the absolute nonsense that passes for riguor and integrity in popular arab media. Start with MEMRI.org - if that Website is still up.

Inger Soto - 2/2/2006

Anyone know where one can buy Danish beer in AZ? I havent had Danish beer in 9 years :(

kim (dane) - 2/2/2006

Northern Jutland In Denmark
is already "hit" by the boycot
The region was struggling already as of big ship buildings firms closed down last year.
The boycot have made it nesserary for diary firm to shut down today and 100 is fired. about 400 more to come very soon if boycot is not cancelled. a est. of a total of 13.000 jobs is in play so yes it does hit hard especially in the northern region. but the danes still are flexible and will adjust and luckily do have friendly minded countries to help. So soon we will be independent from the trade with the countries who boycotted us

Andrey - 2/2/2006

I am not interested to do anti-semitic caricatures, besides there is plenty of it in Islamic Press. Meanwhile I work on sketches to support my ideas. If we consciously try to repel presence of Muslim influences, I hope we do something good to ourselves and those who will come after us. Life is given for fun not for hatred.

Soto - 2/2/2006

I wouldnt use Havarti for the Nachos LOL But maybe you are able to find another Danish cheese.

Gary - 2/2/2006

I was also expecting an idiotic statement like this to surface. Israel is NOT the one conducting the suicide bombings of civilians. If it wasn't for Hamas and other extremists, Palestine would probably have achieved statehood by now.

Soto - 2/2/2006

in reply to:
Re: Buy Danish (#75648)
by Lotzon (Dane) on February 1, 2006 at 6:11 AM

There is a huge difference in being offended when someone burns your flag and spewing out death threats when you see your prophet depicted in a newspaper.

Of course I would be offended if I saw something in a newspaper making fun of my God, country, flag, etc. But I dont go scream "death to all muslims". The rational thing to do it to just close the news paper, burn it, or what ever you like. It is NOT rational to say "Death to all Danish" or boycotting Danish product, or even getting into a political fight about this.

Well, I guess this is why so many muslims are called fanatics or extremists!

Javed - 2/2/2006

If Danish are so much for freedom then they should support their demonstrations, they are exercising their freedom. Boycott is also a part of freedom of speech. They will be better of without all that fat anyway. America is great example of freedom better than Danish, but in case people here cannot remember Comedy Central had to cancel the "Bloody Mary" episode due to its offensive nature to Catholics (as well to me). I agree with the others in that I would like to see a cartoon about Jewish in that paper probably next week.
History is repeating itself again in Europe "Muslims are now the new Jews to Europe."
I do not see anything positive coming out of it.

kim (dane) - 2/2/2006

Sorry couldn´t help it and I know you guys can take a joke. you are censored as well. ever since justin made janet jackson flash her boob, then there has been built in a 2 seconds delay in the "live" transmission just in case it would happend again so they can cut it out. lol
Furthermore I want to say thanks for all the great support from you americans. At least some people can get along even with a long distance

Jorge - 2/2/2006

I have always admired this country. Now even more! Shame on France Soir for firing the editor who published the caricatures and all the PC idiots that are destroying our Western values by submitting to these medieval zealots that are slowly bringing back the dark ages on us.
Support Denmark!

kim (dane) - 2/2/2006

some facts

I´m an ateist myself.
I´m danish
The cartoons was made due to a debate on free speech.
Two "worlds" with a very different way of thinking have colide, again.

To non Muslims

To wear and buy a T-shirt with the drawing of the muhammed with the turban bomb would in my opinion
might not be the best way to support the buy danish campaign (shirt made in Germany anyway),
even though it represents free speech and support Denmark, unless the primary reason honestly
is something else than just to provoke as you are already aware that it offends people.
Furthermore I don´t think people should make the topic a money machine, even though money is the western way to measure things,
as it might blurry the "value" of principles/issues in this case.

To muslims

I can see why the drawings would offend someone and do know that most islamic people take their religion very serious,
and maybe shouldn´t have been published.
For the reason of free speech then yes they should be republished as the cartoons is now
a symbol of free speech and showing nothing can stop the freedom of speech.

In Denmark it is the jugdes who decide what is legal or illegal according to the law. Not the government nor the Queen.
if muslims are believing it is not legal to publish then it should be tried in the danish court.

The Boycot I accept but do not respect as it is based on misleading information and other drawings that has nothing to do with
any newspapers, but purely made up. By whom I don´t know.
Individual boycot is legal to use and people own free choice of what they like to buy.
Denmark are a net exporter of energy including oil and independent from oil and can therefore setup boycot of muslim stores.

When you see some muslims blowing up the twin towers and shooting up in the air in the streets when demostrating
do you understand why one cartoonist drawed muhammed with a turban like a bomb with a lit fuse?

When the newspaper already have apologized for offending muslims (important: not apologied for publishing it) why is it that you
see people in the streets burning down the danish flag and banners with the face of our prime minister?

is it because lack of free speech that the "moderate" cannot calm down the extremists believer or is it how the muslim
countries wants the world to see them?

Why do moderates gain from treats on killing danes, as you know it will never shut down the freedom of speech.
If it is not gaining anything then why do the moderates allow the extremists to do so in the name of islam?

Why is it the Imams (spelling?) in Denmark is talking with two tongues. saying one thing to the danes and total opposite to
the leaders of muslim countries. Where I live we call it lieing. For Danes it seems like they make the issue worse instead
of helping to solve the situation. Is Imams not suppose to be some kind of a objective negotiator/informator?

as I wish the best for people then I must say,
if you live in a western country without having a western citizenship
and found out that you believe your country of origin is a better
place for you to be, then why not go back?

To both muslims and non muslims

why not treat others the way you want to be treated yourself?

why do something that has minor or no importance to you if it harms others?

When you step on someones toe accidently and already said sorry, why not forgive and let´s move on unless you hate one each other.

Andrey Kazankov - 2/2/2006

The drawings were not of bad taste, they were the continuation of the fight for freedom, that Theo Van Gogh and Salman Rushdie have payed for

Andrey Kazankov - 2/2/2006

Denmark has nothing to do with racism!
And Dansk Folkeparti is not a racist party, read their fucking program!!!

Andrey Kazankov - 2/2/2006

"But I can asure you, in saudi arabia we don't have any racism"

hahaha!
And what about your women - they don't even have the right to vote!!!

The only racists in Denmark are those who came from the Arabic countries

Andrey Kazankov - 2/2/2006

hahaha
boycott my ass
You can't even produce your own food

Andrey Kazankov - 2/2/2006

Drawing swastika sends a signal of killing people,
drawing gods and prophets is just drawing gods and prophets.
if you get insulted - get insulted, who cares? we others (other religious groups) are being offended and insulted all the time, but accept that

Andrey Kazankov - 2/2/2006

It's not about offending or not offending religious groups. It's abput a group of people trying to keep us all as hostages telling us what we shall or shall not do. It's the same thing that happened to Theo Van Gogh and Salman Rushdie

And, like another person wrote:

Why is everyone only worried about offending Arab Muslims? Why aren't we all apologizing all over the place to offended Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, agnostics, Heaven's Gaters, Scientologists, vegans, fetishists, teetotallers, New Agers, circus freaks, and blonds?

I've read some comments about that Jews wouldn't tolerate "such thing" - what????? they tolerate all kind of stuff all the time

Gary - 2/2/2006

This is pretty much the way we feel here in the USA. Sept. 11th was a demonstration of their true nature. They can hit us again if they want, but it will only strengthen our position.

CommonSense - 2/2/2006

A skip back our pall Amour had such a great insight. "Any freedom comes with a responsibility....
You practice your rights, somewhere along the way, you have made a group of people angry, you apologize to them and life goes on!
What do you say when you step on somebody’s toe in the train “I am sorry”, you do not engage into a conversation trying to convince that person that you were not doing any wrong and that you should not apologise."

You don't quite understand the concept of free speech and expression do you. And you have had western influence? As was stated before, the concept of this freedom is likely so intangible to muslims that really just don't get it. They missed the who Enlightenment thing. They are most intolerant people I can think of. Of course we don't know how they would treat a large group of Westerners in their countries because "the infidels" wouldn't live long enough to ever find out. If Amour tries real hard she might just get it. No..probably not.

By the way, thanks for all the apologies from Muslims for, oh my Allah, the list of "insults"(euphemism) to Westerners is endlist. Hell, they won't even apologize for raising killers that kill for our dear pal muhammed.

And no I will not apologize. Isn't freedom swell.

check out muhammedcaricatures.com

Ernie Pittsley - 2/2/2006

buy danish products stand with the Danes that are expressing a freedom they nned to keep the free expression of thought.

CommonSense - 2/2/2006

Amour has such a great insight. "Any freedom comes with a responsibility, why are we being so childish about the issue of the Cartoons and the bloody apology.
You practice your rights, somewhere along the way, you have made a group of people angry, you apologize to them and life goes on!
What do you say when you step on somebody’s toe in the train “I am sorry”, you do not engage into a conversation trying to convince that person that you were not doing any wrong and that you should not apologise."

You don't quite understand the concept of free speech and expression do you. And you have had western influence? As was stated before, the concept of this freedom is likely so intangible to muslims that really just don't get it. They missed the who Enlightenment thing. They are most intolerant people I can think of. Of course we don't know how they would treat a large group of Westerners in their countries because "the infidels" wouldn't live long enough. Keep thinking, maybe you'll understand if you focus and try really hard.

By the way, thanks for all the apologies from Muslims for, oh my Allah, the list of "insults"(euphemism) to Westerners is endlist. Hell, they won't even apoligize for raising killers that kill for our dear pal muhammed.

And no I will not apoligize. Isn't freedom swell.

check out muhammedcaricatures.com

Kenneth - 2/2/2006

How insecure are you in your own beliefs, if something as trivial and insignificant as 12 cartoons in a danish newspaper can shake the very foundation of your life and make you so angry?

Stop being such an extremist. Don't worry, be happy... it's alot more fun. Trust me.

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

Here is an update....

http://www.jp.dk/indland/artikel:aiid=3532456:fid=11146:img=0/

- 2/2/2006

Do you think Islam approves depictions of Christ(Hz.Isa) and Moses(Hz.Musa)? It is not only for Prophet Muhammed(PBUH).Because we believe they are Prophet and served humanity.

- 2/2/2006

upset about small things:Nobody can define to anyone what is small and what is big.Free speech is a big thing in EU also Prophet Mohammed(PBUH) big for muslim religion.We want only respect even if you are non believer.

If you are a "moderate muslim" and feel that this is a threat to peace then you are admitting that there should be a violent response to these cartoons: I just tried to explain more hate will pump from Euro to its community and Muslim world to its citizens.Only way to having peacefull world is respect each other values and try to understand.Do not put all the people only religion boundaries.Religions makes humans better not worser.We, muslims, really tired to explain Islam is not a violent and it is forbid any muslim to kill anyone.The press and individuals are not same cause of their effects.And the press freedom even has to know what their limit is.because of there are several issued EU human courts decisons "Free Speech is not a insulting people’s religion beliefs".So the press did use its power wrong.And free speech can not over court decisions.

Fan - 2/2/2006

Actually its

http://muhammed.spreadshirt.net

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

I'm really not surprised by this insanity. It's what to expect by Muslim extremists. I don't think they understand how fare the Danes are willing to go in the name of freedom. They can send as many suicide bombers as they like. It won't chance a thing. Our freedom is not for sale. We will never be ruled by Islamists - it's that simple.

Kenneth - 2/2/2006

If the reaction from all those muslim countries in question was just a boycott and a peaceful condemnation, I would actually have some respect for them. But this Jihad crusade with the threats to kill innocent people from countries in Europe that are residing in Middle Eastern countries is just too much! And the threats to send suicide bombers to blow up innocent people in Scandinavia... WHAT THE HELL IS THE MATTER WITH YOU PEOPLE?!? This is just so insane! Wanting to kill innocent people over some cartoons... I'm speechless!

Gary - 2/2/2006

Yes, I will support prophet Muhammad tonight by eating pork and a nice slice of Danish cheese with a bottle of Tuborg beer!

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

You are absolutely right. I don't know if you are aware of it but CNN in ME isn't broadcasting the same stories as CNN in the States or in Europe. It has been like that for years. That doesn't make it right - But it's a fact. They are only operating from ME as long as they keep the Sheiks happy. I think CNN has found a good solution. We get the "uncut" newsstories. And in the ME, they get whatever is accepted by the Sheiks. As long as I get to keep my free press that's okay by me. I don't feel the need to force a free press upon the Muslims.

Slater - 2/2/2006

And you're still lying your a**e off, peter.
Stop it. You're not at all helping the cause. You're making us stoop to the level of the moslems, making up evidence.

Ren - 2/2/2006

Good point...
You are right about CNN and how they have to be cool about this but as I think you already know, this is exactly what we are talking about, the news services are being silenced.

Morten S. - 2/2/2006

As a Dane, I don't really care that they did that.

Why don't know who and/or what we are, they have been lied to and they are overreacting.

Frankly I've better things to be insulted by.

Jesper (Denmark) - 2/2/2006

You're right, it's not much...it's huge. Thank you for all your support, we love you.

God bless America
Gud bevare Danmark

Morten S. - 2/2/2006

Replying to myself...

By the way, I was not offended by the burning of our flag, why you might ask?
Well, I don't think the people who did that even knows what Denmark is. There has been so much misinformation about os, like you think we are all racists. Abu Laben a Iman from "Muslimsk trosamfund" in Denmark has been lying, first he tells the danes he'll try to calm things, then he tells the arabic news that he's prude of the boycots and the protests.

Gary - 2/2/2006

I believe the reason so many Muslims are offended by the cartoons is that without intent, they reveal the true nature of Islam. I have to wonder how many Muslims have actually read their Koran? Compare the teachings of Christ with the actions and words of the Muslim prophet (peace be upon him).

Morten S. - 2/2/2006

No, we are not racists.

If you knew Denmark, you would know that.

Do you even know why the drawings were first posted i Jylland-Posten?
Guess what it wasn´t too offend you or your faith, it was to start a debate about freedom of speech, since it have had a hard time due to a _few_ extremists who threaten and even attack anyone who criticized islam or even non-muslims reading the Quran* (Kuran in danish).

*) A university professor were attacked by a few extremist who were offended that he gave a lecture in social studies by teaching the Quran to his students.

And by the way, as a Dane I am prude that I'm not boycotting muslim stores in my country, even though muslims burned the danish flag,
Why don't you might asked? Because the muslims I meet are good people, who have done nothing too me, my friends, family and country, they DO NOT deserve to be punished from actions other people have taken.

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

Wait and see. I think they will show the Drawings - it's just a matter of time...

It has to be taking into consideration that CNN has got many offices in the ME. Their headoffice is placed in Dubai. CNN has to take it cool, if they wanna keep on operating from there.

peggy - 2/2/2006

Whatsmore, how insane is it to bow and apologize to people who would punish a whole nation for the actions of one newspaper? They have ruined a company just because its Danish. They are threatening to kidnapp and kill Danes/Eurpoeans in the Territories. There are people calling for the death of whole nations of this.

And what happened when their holy book was desecrated? Not half as much as they are willing to do over some friggin cartoons of their founder. And you would rather that these people be appeased??

Scandinavian - 2/2/2006

Jihad Momani (of the Jordanian newspaper "al-Shihan") and
Jacques Lefranc (of the french newspaper "France Soir")
Have been fired for their printing of the drawings: They have personally paid the price for free speach, and have our deepest respect!

How can we support them - is there a petition or something, where our voices can be heard?!

Ren - 2/2/2006

I noticed that also. It is clear that they are afraid of the backlash. So much for free speech in the press.

peggy - 2/2/2006

Wrong! Spoken like a true dhimmi scared into submission. Better to suffer a loss as free people than to live in safety as slaves. The only people here who have lost are those that have already traded their freedom for security.

Slater - 2/2/2006

What did I miss? I'm Danish, and I've never heard of these butter cookies.
Where can you get them?

boe - 2/2/2006

Arla is literally extinct in the middle east by now!

Their loss!
Its a small price to pay for freedom of speach... lets see how we handle the first suicide bomber in our metro-system...

Slater - 2/2/2006

Nah, but we SHOULD be allowed to do what OUR laws tell us we can do. It is simply impossible to conform to every wish of every religion on the planet - so why should the moslems be more important than anyone else, and why should they have any say over Denmark?

peggy - 2/2/2006

Surprise! Cowards at CNN "choose" not to print the cartoons out of respect for islam.

peggy - 2/2/2006

I was just in Albertson's yesterday looking to buy some Havarti (which I luuuuuuv and havent had in a long time) and I was delighted to see that they carry Havarti cheese made by Arla! We can support Denmark and also one of the very companies which have been hit hardest by the boycott. Buy Danish! Buy Arla!

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

JP isn't a nazi nor fascist paper.
I think your headline only shows your own ignorance. But to answer you question. Jp will never cave in. And Jp do not hate Muslims. They have already made this crystal clear several times.

http://www.jp.dk/english_news/

Robin Bather - 2/2/2006

Oh dear, a boycott of British goods.
Just when I was going to enjoy some Branston Pickle with my Danish blue cheese and then follow up with my Bassett's Licorice Allsorts.
No French wine either.
Life is becoming sad.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

I have read his blog, its great!! he is a true moderate muslim, so show him all your support, an Egypt supporting us, its great.And its true he is funny to read too.

Robin Bather - 2/2/2006

How come whenever there are any criticisms of Israel (and there are many reasons to do so)there is a huge roar of "Anti semitism"?
Islamic reaction against the Danes and the Jewish tactic are deplorable, both being attacks against free speech.

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

The israeli / palestinian conflict is a tough one to judge. And I think both parts have contributed to their wars. Thanks you for supporting Denmark. Peace, love and happiness.

False Prophet - 2/2/2006

Muhammed is a false prophet and full of craaaaaap. Kutos to the Danes for Free speech.

Robin Bather - 2/2/2006

There is a valid point brought up by more than one poster here.
How come whenever there are any criticisms about Israel (and there are many reasons to do so), there is a huge roar of "Anti semitism" from the Jews?
This tactic is as deplorable as the Islamic reaction, both being attacks free speech.

Robin Bather - 2/2/2006

I live in Mexico.
This afternoon I think I will go to Sam's Club and buy some Danish cheese and Danish beer to enjoy this evening.
I would never ever buy anything Israeli because of their inhuman acts against the Palestinian people.

tommy - 2/2/2006

<<Yeah sure you all do! Now I have a full picture. your just dogs fot isreal. I'm proud to say that I'm Muslim, and I believe in God and his Prophit Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him.
and I ask god -Allah- to destroy all your plans, and use them to destroy yourselfs. Aamen
Muhammad M. Mosa Soliman
Egyptian Muslim>>

Seems like Muslims around the world wish to destroy all who are infidels.

Good luck with your 72 virgins.

tommy - 2/2/2006

The rest of us will make up for the Danish products muslims do not buy.

You say the danes are threatening world peace with these cartoons. Think seriously about this. If you are a "moderate muslim" and feel that this is a threat to peace then you are admitting that there should be a violent response to these cartoons.

I did not like the cartoons. But the raction of the muslim world to them is way out of proportion.

We have seen many examples of depictions of Christ and Moses in a less than complimentary light. No one from these faiths thought they were a threat to world peace.

And they love their god as much as you do.

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

Thank you for supporting Denmark. Try some Tuborg - probably the best beer in town. Cheers

tommy - 2/2/2006

Jews and Chrisitans would be pissed...and I dont blame muslims for not liking the toons.

But Jews and christians would probably. criticize the cartoonist and leave it at that.

They wouldnt be burning things down and demanding that the perps be "punished" as those in the arab world have demanded. there would be no large scale firing of guns in the street, or threats to burn the newspaper down.

thomas - 2/2/2006

Tommy from Toronto here.... The Islamists have been trying to do to tiny Israel for years the same they are doing to Denmark now.

I have posted a link to your site at "Politics, the Bully Pulpit" message board where thousads will see and read it.

Good luck, but I have to run out now to buy a case of Tuborg.

M.T. - 2/2/2006

Check out this dude - he has started his own "boycot, the boycot" - Blog, from Egypt. He's funny!

http://egyptiansandmonkey.blogspot.com/2006/02/lets-boycott-boycott.html

Nasir - 2/2/2006

Can Jellands-Posten stand for its principles or going to cave in??
Can JP draw a swastika on its frontpage? and a big one FOR its principles.
Please hit it below and see if jellands-posten hates muslims or not?
Please ask the newspaper if it was mistaken in the past??
click the site and win a free Danish blog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten

Nasir - 2/2/2006

If we flood the Web with anti-islamic (anti-semitic. Can you??? JP was pro nazi and pro fascist. Can they draw a big swasitka on the front page?? or on any page??) caricatures will it help the cause? Will it help the cause if we organize cultural ... wanted to write resistance. Not the resistance but cultual attack aiming to push the thugs back, back all the way to the crib, hopefully.

M.T. - 2/2/2006

This download just contains racist material - and its not even clever: so don't waste your time here!

Jamison - 2/2/2006

Michael,

You have twice now ignored what I think the thrust of Dan's argument is. Yes, there are numerous examples of unfavourable caricatures of Jesus & Moses, both in print and film.

But I think he was more alluding (since he said it twice) that you get a newspaper to publish twelve cartoons about Jews or Israelis, which portray them in strongly negative or stereotypical manners. Do it all in the name of free speech. But just wait and see the reaction from Israelis, their governments, and all their groups & supporters throughout the West.

However, shouldn't a newspaper be free to do so, without then being accused of encouraging anti-semitism?

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

It really doesn't come as a surprise that he was fired taking into consideration that the owner of the newspaper was franco-egyptian. I do find the drawing in "France Soir" quite funny. But the one published in "Le Monde" today was even better. It really was a piece of art..
I guess I like French humor - it really makes me smile..

M.T. - 2/2/2006

The darkened imams of the official muslim society in denmark - has waged a war on denmark. They have been lying about the situation in denmark, they have been lying to the danish people and to the press in the middle east!
Everybody in denmark are in utter schock, about how these few people have destroyed confidence between immigrants and danes - and its primarily about control over the muslim society in denmark! (This case was solvable within our borders!)
Its so unbelieveable, that I cant find words for the contempt I feel for these sorry sorry people!

But I will not let my anger control me - I will embrace the moderate muslims of denmark; and tell them to show allegiance to this country by denouncing their crazy imams - and we will work this unbelievable crisis through... but there is no more room for crazy radical imams here: you have to go somewhere with your devilish talk and your war-waging! It is time to take a stand against this unbelievable sad sad version of human eksistence called islamism (not islam, but islamism; as explained by Mehdi Mozaffari elsewhere on this site)

We will not tolerate you (and your medieval use of Islam) anymore!

qwerty - 2/2/2006

You have lost your cause: most of the world are standing back in disbelief!

You can't demand respect - you earn it... and you just lost it to an accountable number of westeners, because of your unacceptable reaction. Islam, as you practice it, cannot be called the religion of peace - is it so hard to understand that you are becoming isolated?!

Nasir - 2/2/2006

No sir we are not allowed to make fun of our religion. US and its allies bombed Afganistan, Iraq, and Libya, Lebanon, Sudan, Somalia killing hundreds of thousands. We are angry for the people whom were killed, but not as much as satiring our prophet. I am sorry to tell you that it hurts us a lot more than bombing and killing. I know it is difficult for you to understand it because we are of different cultures. Killing or mocking Osama is not so big deal for many muslims, but mocking our prophet is a big deal and bring hatred between me and you. Democracy is something vague to me because I never experienced it. It is something I dream to live it one day in my country which I never left. But if democracy means to hurt the feelings of others so much, then (very sorry) I don't want it. You people make democracy disgusting to me even before I taste it. I lost many things for freedom and democracy. But I am not willing to accept anyone to mock my prophet. Can't you understand simply that these cartoons hurt me a lot. Can't you understand that these catoons is like a sword in my heart?? You are very sensitive and intelligent people Please consider my feelings.
Does democracy mean to hurt or slander other religions??
At last, Jyllands-Posten was a pro naze in the past. The paper praised Fascism and Nazi parties in the 20 and the 30th SO I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU AND FOR THE PAPER. "CAN THE PAPER DRAW A BIG SWASTIKA ON ITS FRONT PAGE?"
Nasir a muslim who never hurts or slanders other religions.

- 2/2/2006

Dear Muhammad Mosa

What do you think is worst?
1)isulting someone
2)execute someone who insults you

If my answer was not 1., I would have to execute whatever inteligence you may have.

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

Just to let you know. Now you can't eat english foods either. BBC has just shown the drawings as well...
If you like I can keep on updating the list in order for you to serve the Prophet. Please let me know if you are interested...

Kenneth - 2/2/2006

To Lotzon...

Excuse me, although that there are danes who feel offended by the burning of the danish flag, their reaction is nowhere near as extreme as the muslims who boycott Denmark. No one in Denmark is boycotting the muslim countries because of the flag burning, not one dane has threatened the lives of any muslim. While most danes don't approve of the flag burning, we accept that they are allowed to do it... if only the muslims would accept our own rights aswell.

jorn, denmark - 2/2/2006

who cares for a boycot from undeveloped moslem countries!

jorn, denmark - 2/2/2006

thanks Dane- and never can a people perish that dont want to!

jorn, denmark - 2/2/2006

thats the spirit adrian- we will never surrender to intolerance- let it be in the disguise of communism, nazism, islam or whatever!

Claus - 2/2/2006

Actually one of the cartoons are comming as a T-shirt and as other marchandise. A german firm has been reported as willing to reproduce one of the drawings.?

Kenneth - 2/2/2006

It is a small minority that commits these acts. Yes this mufti has radical views, but DO NOT generalize. The vast majority of muslims do NOT rape, steal, kill or commit other crimes. And the majority of danes know this. This guy don't represent the opinions of the danes.

New Yorker - 2/2/2006

To any Danes reading this - Please know that you have many supporters and friends in faraway places. We are with you all the way. Denmark may be a small country, but your fearless commitment to freedom of expression makes you giants in the world.

I'll be serving Carlsberg beer and Havarti cheese at my Superbowl party this weekend, and my next vacation trip will be to Copenhagen. It's not much, I know, but if enough of us think 'Buy Danish' we can make a real difference.

Denmark stands for freedom so I am proud to stand with Denmark. I encourage others to vote with their wallets and do the same.

- 2/2/2006

To Bader...

You mean rumour right? Well I can tell you that that is not true. The Queen hasn't said anything like that! She is not even allowed to say anything political, since she's representing the people and therefore is not allowed to have a specific political view, as that would split the danish people. She is VERY liked, because of the fact that she's impartial... she has a 90% support from the population.

So please spread the word that this rumour is most definitely false.

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

I wonder what you are having for Dinner tonight. Since several papers across Europe re-printed the drawings yesterday (and more will follow). Are you gonna stop eating - I really don't think that's a good idear. It's not healthy! Make friends, Not enemies...

Jan - 2/2/2006

I haven't read the Khoran, but I know this much, that you - and I do mean YOU - are not allowed to make images/paintings/drawings/ikons of Allah/God/Jehova/the Divine - but can you show me were it said that it's prohibited to do so with Mohammed ? or Moses, Jesus, Ghandi, for that sake?

Qwerty Uiop - 2/2/2006

Suits me.

The more the boycotting countries display their own stupidity, the less anyone can say in their defense.

Oh, correction...
I naturally meant "anyone in the free world can say in their defense", seeing as you can't actually say anything that isn't preapproved by your governments and theocrats.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

Hi, and a BIG smile to you too.

Are you going boycott all the countries who got a newspaper printing the drawings??

Qwerty Uiop - 2/2/2006

Oh for the love of God.
Don't you know a troll wen you see one?

Qwerty Uiop - 2/2/2006

Nota Bene.
If anyone was in doubt, we have our own moonbat problem in Denmark.

Enjoying the danish mistake - 2/2/2006

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/editorial/2006/February/editorial_February4.xml&;section=editorial&subsection=editorial

Qwerty Uiop - 2/2/2006

Well "Bo".

That's probably because the comments from JP about islam also being subject to critical discussion only read like that in your imagination.

Or is it because you never read any of it, but simply repeat what your chief-ideologist told you they said?

We can only wonder...

Qwerty Uiop - 2/2/2006

Anyone ever notice how people that want to abolish the most fundamental civil rights always call their opponents "fascists"?

Discussing relevant problems is not fascist, Jukka. Repressing all discussion of non-PC issues *is*.

Time to wake up Jukka, and notice that swastika tatooed in the middle of your forehead.

Angry Dane - 2/2/2006

Well, read this(in danish):
http://www.noedhjaelp.dk/sider_paa_hjemmesiden/i_danmark/nyheder/94_aarig_giver_million_til_jordskaelvsramte

Vi give millions in aid to pakistan, now they burn Anders Fogh dolls in the streets.
My english sucks, but i need to say this anyway.
Hvad fanden bilder de utaknemmelige sataner sig ind? Vi samler ind gang på gang for at hjælpe andre, lige meget om det er muslimer eller ej.
Hvad er takken, trusler på livet.
Aldrig mere giver jeg så meget som 1 kr. til de bæster.
Fy for helvede siger jeg bare.

theprophet - 2/2/2006

http://www.spread-it.com/dl.php?id=94d579fa1491704a2d6036fba3ca1f483089d70b

Jan - 2/2/2006

Bo - 2/2/2006

OK, the Support Denmark is now a link on the front page of the company web site now, AND on the foreign Relations page of the Dominion of British West Florida (a micronation that my company hosts).

DUTCH VIKING - 2/2/2006

The biggest racist are all those muslims who attack Danish people just because they are Danish

its a fact that most hate crimes come from muslims, even in Denmark

and btw, YOU CAN'T BE RACIST AGAINST A RELIGION, ITS A RELIGION NOT A RACE

Dutch Viking - 2/2/2006

in Copenhagen, Islamic mufti and scholar, Shahid Mehdi created uproar when – like his peer in Australia – he stated that women who did not wear a headscarf were asking to be raped.

NO WONDER WE SPIT ON THE ISLAM, THEY SAY DANISH WOMAN CAN BE RAPED BECAUSE THEY DO NOT BOW DOWN FOR THERE MOONGOD

for the whole article see:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/009563.php

and even more:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html

Most rapes in Europe and Scandinavia are caused by muslim scum !!!

kick them out!!!

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

Dear Pomerol,

Yes I too have seen this...its crazy...and I agree with you.. the moderat muslims have to do something and the imam's starting all this have to stop it before its too late.

Henning - 2/2/2006

A Jordan Newspaper has today printed 4 of the Muhammad Drawings, stating that "Muslim group cutting heads of foreignors, is a bigger problem to Islam"... More to come.....

Pomerol - 2/2/2006

Where does it stop? Religious extremists are having the time of their lives

http://alghurabaa.co.uk/

I think it is about time for moderat Muslims to take a stands. We have to come together and unite despite of different believes.

Jan - 2/2/2006

France Soir and Germany's Die Welt are among the leading papers to reprint the cartoons, which first appeared in Denmark last September.

The Senior editor of Le Soir in France, has been fired by the owner of the newspaper, a French/Egyptien...

I hope the frensh subscribers do their job ! Freedom of press dosn't mean a thing to the owner of "Le Soir"

A lie, when retold will allways be a lie! You've posted this lie elsewhere in this forum and don't bother us anymore. To everybody else; use your sound sence of jugment, 'cause this would have made headlines in a splitsecond, if true...

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

Friend from Texas - 2/2/2006

Here is a partial list of Danish products (not all may
be available in your place of residence...the really
obvious ones are at the bottom of the list):

NOTE: Almost all food items are exported by ARLA FOODS
or an ARLA FOODS local subsidiary...will be listed in
the product description.

1. Butter
-YORKSHIRE BUTTER
-ANCHOR
-LURPAK

2. Milk/Cream
-CRAVENDALE PURFILTRE®
-LACTOFREE
-HINT OF CRAVENDALE
-ANCHOR Real Dairy Cream

3. Cheese
-DISCOVER..
-ROSENBORG
-ANCHOR cheese

4. Beer
-CARLSBERG

5. Cookies
-ROYAL DANSK BUTTER COOKIES
-KJELDSEN BUTTER COOKIES
-pretty much almost any brand of butter cookies,
really.

6. A whole range of other consumer goods (UK folks can
buy it online):

http://www.danish-deli-food.com/English/Shop/shop.asp

7. Electronic Goods:

http://www.bang-olufsen.com

Thanks in advance for supporting a free society
against those that seek to curtail freedom.

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

Dear Hilmi,

Its your free choise not to by danish products..but stop being upset about small things like some funny drawings ...
GET OVER IT ALL MUSLIMS! YOU'RE NOT SO GOD DAMN SPECIAL AS YOU ARE TOLD

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

Thanks Adrian for your support

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

Thanks Dane for your support, and I agree with you:

Dear Muslims: GET OVER IT! YOU'RE NOT A SPECIAL CASE

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

wow thats an answer.....

Henrik Hornstrup - 2/2/2006

Dear Bader,

I was "extremely offended" (your words) by the attack on World Trade center, did I hear you or any arab appologize on behalfe of the attackers?? Arab leaders said shame on the attackers but they did not appologize anything, and they shouldn't!! what were they to blame about some terrorists sick minds?? So thats ok with me..
Now all muslims says our prime minister should appologize on behalfe of denmark!!! for offending you, give me a break...denmark havn't offending anyone, a newspaper has, but not denmark. Some muslims meant that our Queen should appologize on behalfe of denmark, we are still laughing...

The newspaper had said sorry if some one was offending by the drawings, it was not meant that way, its was part of an ongoing debate in denmark about freedom of speech.
So now you got your "I'm sorry" from the "offender", end of story...Go out living your live again, by some danish butter....

And stop being so god damn marture, its not that ohhh so hard being muslim so we all have to feel sorry for you all the time.

mm - 2/2/2006

look you say were disrespectful

and we burn flags of countries

but Israel kill 10 kids a day in palestine but still repects muslims and arabs right they want to make peace with us but still its ok to kill kids

Dane - 2/2/2006

Greek-American living in San Diego. I stand with Denmark. I support freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It's time the Muslim community stopped smuggly believing in its own superiority and that is is off-limits to criticsm. They forget that the world is represented by a multitude of various religions and cultures, 75% of whom do not believe in Islam. My ultimate response: GET OVER IT! YOU'RE NOT A SPECIAL CASE

I will buy as many Danish products as I can.

adsasd - 2/2/2006

you son of abitch

lair

maa - 2/2/2006

i know that in europe you can't even ask questions about jews history

but making fun of muslim religion is alright

- 2/2/2006

Learn more about your so called "religion of peace"
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Strange definition of peace when you call for the destruction of Israel, death for "infidels", enslave your women, blow-up cities and innocent civilians and spread hatred in your mosques. And BTW, you can preach your "peace" exactly because freedom of speach is a basic human right respected in the Western world.

Islam is going to be respected and recognized as a true religion of peace when all muslims are going to condemn the terrorist atacks and when your religion is going to learn how to tolerate other people's believes, or lack of.

Muslims come to Western countries to find a better life, they suck the system dry and then they preach us about how immoral we are.

Piss-off!

Gary - 2/2/2006

Oh really... A religion of peace? Read the Koran and learn about "the prophet", and his ways of "peace" towards the Jews.

Gary - 2/2/2006

I think I'll get some T-Shirts made up that say: "Danish and Proud of It!!!"

Hilmi - 2/2/2006

I do not mind to person tell me Islam is violent or any other bad points which pumped by political, press or any other way.My job is correct the views if there is any misunderstanding.You can think whatever you want on Islam or our prophet.But you and press are not a same actor plays in the community.One of the major job of the press is provide community peace and this power may not be use fairly or responsibly.Free speech does not mean journalist can make a cartoon cost of world peace.There were ways to put your expressions more respectfully which the press did not follow one basic common sense rule.There were no respect to my religion and yes i am upset about those drawings.

Hatred world is growing on both side and only way avoid keep to communication ways and understand each other.It is benefit for human beings.I am not blaming Danish government to not apology of one of the newspaper to wrongdoing.But also understand muslim feelings to not buy dannish products.

allison - 2/2/2006

Buy Danish and Visit Danish! If you get to Southern California there's a town founded by Danes and other Scandinavians called Solvang just north of Santa Barbara that is worth the trip.

hilmi - 2/2/2006

I am Turkish-Muslim who lives in United States for several years.And you are wrong on your statement.Moderates are everywhere and does not approve any wrongdoings by terrorist.We do not call them as a muslim and Islam is a religion forbid us to kill anyone.explain ourselves might be not well recieved from EU but i would ask have you all people tried to understand who we are. You think is it fare to put all muslims in a basket and sealed as a terrorist?Big majority in the muslim world is not approve to kill anyone.Anyone wants to check it, I am sure you can find a lot of comments.

"Free Speech".Lets talk about that.I do not mind to person tell me Islam is violent or any other bad points which pumped by political, press or any other way.My job is correct the views if there is any misunderstanding.You can think whatever you want on Islam or our prophet.But you and press are not a same actor plays in the community.One of the major job of the press is provide community peace and this power may not be use fairly or responsibly.Free speech does not mean journalist can make a cartoon cost of world peace.There were ways to put your expressions more respectfully which the press did not follow one basic common sense rule.There were no respect to my religion and yes i am upset about those drawings.

Hatred world is growing on both side and only way avoid keep to communication ways and understand each other.It is benefit for human beings.I am not blaming Danish government to not apology of one of the newspaper to wrongdoing.But also understand muslim feelings to not buy dannish products.

Andrey - 2/1/2006

Question:

If we flood the Web with anti-islamic caricatures will it help the cause? Will it help the cause if we organize cultural ... wanted to write resistance. Not the resistance but cultual attack aiming to push the thugs back, back all the way to the crib, hopefully.

Ross - 2/1/2006

I read a while back that Egypt has a tv show where some Muslim guy tells you the proper way to beat your wife. How about some apologies for that?

adrian - 2/1/2006

Went down to the store and bought a dozen tonight. Good beer!

km - 2/1/2006

stuff the muslims with the camels they rode in on!
I'm going out a buy a case of DAK hams!

DK - 2/1/2006

This made me laugh! In the middle of this kinda scary event going on, it's good with a laugh... :D

Don't let them win this new war! War, war, war is all they want..

DK - 2/1/2006

Sounds great! Enough delicious cheese for some time ;)

It seems like these people who lead this boycott is nothing but rebellions who try to find pathetic reasons to make a conflict between the western countries and the middle east. I see alot of talking about danish racists, but who's the real racists? For me it's obvious. They try to destroy our way of living and way of thinking. They obviously don't like us and show us by threatening, suicide bombing and killing innocent people instead of a dialogue. It's brainwashing of 3rd degree... And those poor people of their own nationality, who has nothing to do with their way of thinking, is pulled indirectly into this.

They do nothing good for this world. My opinion, and can't be changed. If you disagree with my it's just Fine! :)

Gary - 2/1/2006

Anyone deceived into thinking that Islam is a peaceful religion needs to read the Koran. Full of surprises!

adrian - 2/1/2006

I couldn't give a rat's rear end whether you're offended or not. I personally find the treatment of women in Islamic societies offensive. When you end that, then we'll talk more.

Amour - 2/1/2006

No I won't , I will buy whatever pleases me.

Guys I am a European who is also a Muslim and I work in the Middle East now, before you curse the hell out of me, read my opinion first. I am never interested to ask people about their religion or ethnic origins. Who gives a shit about that, if you are a good and civilized person it does not matter even if you have invented your own religion, and if you are a bad person, growing a beard and going to the mosque, or hanging a cross in your neck will not necessarily make you better, it will just feed the hunger of stupid people who judge by appearance. A good person in my opinion is one who helps others in the society. I have studied in a Catholic school and have read the Quran as well as the bible, I have also enjoyed the wisdom of the teachings of Buddha, everything in life can be experienced in moderation but unfortunately we are only magnifying the extremes.

This space is starting the look like a war zone, why are we all being uptight?
Jyllands-Posten has the right to do what it wants , people have the right to be angry , and I have the right to eat to refuse to eat Lurpack and Puk , deal with Maersk or not as much as everyone else has their own rights.
Any freedom comes with a responsibility, why are we being so childish about the issue of the Cartoons and the bloody apology.
You practice your rights, somewhere along the way, you have made a group of people angry, you apologize to them and life goes on!
What do you say when you step on somebody’s toe in the train “I am sorry”, you do not engage into a conversation trying to convince that person that you were not doing any wrong and that you should not apologise.

Nobody should oppose freedom of speech, that is a fundamental of our culture as well as all the other freedoms like freedom of choice etc… but we have got to realize that our world is NOT linear, don’t become like George W. when he said “you are either with us or against us”, life isn’t simply black and white, I am in favor of freedom of speech but I am also in favor of decency and reconciliation.
Who said that Islam as a religion is by nature against freedom? Do you take Bin laden or Taliban as the only example? – “again the classical case of the media concentrating on extremes” OK, Hitler was a Nazi but did he not do any good for Germany at all?

Adam, Abraham, Joseph, Moses, Jesus and Mohammad are people like us but they had a message to convey and a hope that our life would be better if we follow their lead.
But we still have the choice to follow or not to follow it is as simple as that.

Q.Were the Cartoons offensive to Muslims of the world?
A.Yes they were
Q. Was I personally offended?
A. Yes I was
Why ? Because it just showed a great deal of intolerance towards Muslims in a racist way and proved that Jyllands-Posten editors encouraged a stereotype.
What do I want: a simple answer to this question: “Do you think that offending millions of people for no apparent reason is commendable or wise?” even if some of the cartoons are funny, I would not have published them as a matter of courtesy to others. We all should care about one another, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Hindus etc….
I was also offended by some extreme reactions like burning the Danish flag and threatening Danes in the Middle East, this is not the answer, we need to talk and understand each other’s point of view, and we do not need to convince each other, just understand!

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Syria and all other countries have the right to choose what they would like to import and stock in their local markets, why are we being stupid about this too? If I own a super market and the people in my area stopped buying a certain product, I will not stock it anymore, without giving a shit about why people stopped buying it! Boycott or no boycott.
Didn’t Demark boycott French wines before? Again it is the right of choice!

Harris - 2/1/2006

Isn't it interesting that "moderate" muslims are never heard voicing disapproval of shouts to kill jews, or infidel christians. They were decidedly mute about the Madrid bombings, the London subway massacres abd the World Trade Center horror. Yet, they are ready to condemn, burn and even order the killings of cartoonists. Hooray for islam.

Gary - 2/1/2006

I support "Buy Danish" and I will go out tonight and begin by buying all the Danish groceries I can find.

Lasse Ørberg (DK) - 2/1/2006

According to the law of the flag, to burn og bury the flag is the only dignified way to destroy the flag.
Danes pay allmost 50% taxes.
70-85% of all danes wote at ellections
The danish state not secular, but christitan protestant.
You have to pay Tv-licence to watch tv, ca 300 $ a year.
Denmark has free education, plus a ca 700 $ monthly goverment grand.
Denmark has universaal health care.
The age of concent and leagal drinking age is 15.
Danes drink A LOT, many start as young as 13.
A drivers licence costs ca 1500$.
1 gallon of gaz costs ca 6$.
The goverment tax on a new car is 180%.
Minimal wage is ca 13$.
Every dane has his/her own CPR-number (central citizens registry), and it is illigal not to tell the goverment where you live.
All libaries are free.
in 2004 1,4 mil peole were member of a labour union.
The danish goverment had a 6,2 bil. surpluss on their finances in 2005.
Rumers has it that the danish shipping company Maersk Sealans has transported US troops for free.
Danes put their flag on birth day cakes, christmas trees, in thir drive way when celebrateing something, but not so much on clothes as you americans do :-)
Gay civic union and abortion is legal in Denmark.
The danish army is part professional part drafted.
Danes unwrap their christmas presents on the evening of the 24.

I am hounnered to have the people of the United states of America as allies and friends, and appriciate your enthusiastic support, when my friends and I watch super bowl this sunday, we will drink your good american beer, as to show our appreciation.

Lasse

Harris - 2/1/2006

There are not on this planet more decent, honorable, courageous and kind people than the Danes. It is pathetic to hear the abuses heaped upon them for speaking their minds.
In civilized societies when people are offended they write letters of protest to newspapers. In uncivilized societies offended people burn flags and threatn to send suicide bombers. Which kind of world do you want to live in?

adrian - 2/1/2006

A few words of support for all the Danish posters on the site from a New Zealander living in America. I'm going to go and buy myself some of your beer later. This is about even more than free speech - it's about the foundations of our cultures, which allow for dissent and plurality. Viva Denmark.

Sherwood baker - 2/1/2006

Mikkel,

we've got your back brother!

Bernt (dane) - 2/1/2006

First of all: Thank you for buying our stuff and supporting our general well-being.

I don't consider printing those drawings in the first place a particularly good idea. I also understand, that the drawings may have offended a substantial number of muslims.

I guess they shouldn't have looked at them, then. The drawings weren't supposed to be the entertainment of choice among muslims. It was ment for the readers of the paper Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten; in Danish nicknamed Morgenfascisten Jyllands-Pesten (go figure!).

It is not illegal to have bad taste here in Denmark, so there is no point in asking for legal meassures.

And as the emperor said: "The money doesn't smell". So keep up the buying Danish-thing!

Tristan - 2/1/2006

From Paris France, to confirm the publication in the "France soir" newspaper. Just know that its director has just been saked. By the franco-egyptian owner Raymond Lakah.

http://www.tsr.ch/tsr/?siteSect=200002&;sid=6432960&cKey=1138833371000

Rick (Danish) - 2/1/2006

Well if any of you really would consider to visit our great country perhaps this website would give some general idea www.visitdenmark.com
I am sure google would be able to help you even more...´

enjoy!

Ateist - 2/1/2006

Well - I dont believe in him, and as long big parts of his believers doesn't denounce Bin Laden, and help hunt for this sub-human; I think much that you say will be counted as hypocrism!
You use big words, but I see no action nowhere from the muslim world!
Excuse me, but your blind belief dosn't move me at all!
I will though, follow Voltaire saying: "I dont agree with what you are saying but I'll die defending your right to say it"
Thats much more than you'll ever give me!

Look me in the eye, and say that you don't need free speach... you know: thats what you are practioning on this very site!

Please, look inside yourself, and stop blaming the western world your own misery!

Rick (danish) - 2/1/2006

First off - thanks for all your support. The DFW-metroplex is a great area, and I know it can be hard to find Carlsberg there in the first place, but if any of your local stores are running out of Carlsberg(Tuborg - same company), perhaps you all could visit Carlsberg.com and explain the situation, I am sure they would do everything in their power to ensure a better marketshare in the US.

Good luck, and a great SuperBowl to you all!

Stefan Schmitt - 2/1/2006

I support Denmark 100%.
If the Muslims don;t like the west anymore, we can always hope they will go back to where they came from.

Greetings from Germany

- 2/1/2006

Easy come, easy goes...

This is no longer just cartoons, this is to make sure the leaders of those Dictators can keep their people undercontrol, let them rave over a few drawings, it takes away their thoughts on their own lag of freedom and right to choose a religion!

I for one am looking forward to have Turkey in the EU, it will be a victory for democracy!

Bader - 2/1/2006

We were extremely offended not only as Muslims but as humans by the cartoons that were published by the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten portraying the prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in what we believe as a stereotypical unfounded offensive imagery. Prophet Muhammad not only was a messenger, but he also embodied and exemplified universal human values that no Muslim, Christian or Jew could disagree upon. We believe that attacking the person of the prophet in such, a stereotypical generalized way, is an attack on these human values themselves. Therefore we are not only recording here our outrage as Arabs Muslims but also as Arab Christians and humans. Finally, it is not an Islamic act to counter-attack with an equally offensive response; we only have one remark to make, no Muslim will ever portray Jesus Christ in an equally insulting way, because we believe in him as a messenger who too embodied universal human values, neither will we ever offend Moses or any other messenger of God, or even a respectable great man like Ghandi for example. These great men, we believe, were rarely if ever subject to such a public offense such as that targeted at the person of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). We believe that the Jyllands-Posten newspaper has broken an unwritten code of common respect to long valued human foundations. It is unwritten, because it is a universal law, that was not imagined to be broken in such an outrageous manner, and not only do we demand an apology to the Muslim community but to the human community as a whole.

Bader - 2/1/2006

I think this is cause of a romer that says on Your queen behalf:" Muslims have no weight in the world, so we must not respect them, their boycott will be over in few weeks".

Bader - 2/1/2006

Dear Kent,
You can't just say that living in ME will show you racism.
First of all, you must know that there is alot of countries in ME & alot of people who have alot of ideas.

But I can asure you, in saudi arabia we don't have any racism. And by the way, could you tell me where you saw the Nazi symbols, cause i never say them.

I am PROUD TO BE SAUDI.

Thor - 2/1/2006

I'd encourage you to visit Denmark. My travels were limited to Gilleleje and Copenhagen and a short trip to Helsinor. It seems that most Danes speak English and they are very warm and welcoming to Americans. It is a beautiful country with beautiful people. If you have any questions please ask.

Thor - 2/1/2006

I had some Tuborg when I was in Copenhagen last year and enjoyed it very much. I've always a little leary of buying foreign beer because of the freshness factor. I just went to my local liquor store and purchased a 6 pack of Carlsberg and a 4 pack (each can has 500ml) of Tubor Gold - it is EXCELLENT and tastes very fresh.

I will definately be buying more Tuborg Gold cans in the future.

SKOL

- 2/1/2006

You have no right to tell us how to live our lives you fucking moron. Go back to your caves and stop spreading your terrorism.

Bader - 2/1/2006

Dear Erik,
I share you the view about insulting you, but, can you really blame them? One of your newspapers insulted the most sacred person to us.
I respect & love Mohammad ( Peace be Upon him ) more than my mother & my father.

Just to let you know, there havn't been any burning to your flags in my country Saudi Arabia.

I am PROUD TO BE SAUDI ..

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Adrian from Denmark - 2/1/2006

Sure we do....why shouldn't we???

The only I come in mind of that connects to such question is that many years ago (10 or more) there were some attempts from a little group to make some kind of boycot, but it never turned real as far as I know of.

Mikkel Pind - 2/1/2006

That's why she was given the honour of the "freedom award" by the leading party forming the government in Denmark. She was appointed in 2004 but was not able to recieve it before November 2005.
Kudos for selecting her and kudos to her for her currage!

Link to a danish newspaper: http://politiken.dk/VisArtikel.sasp?PageID=408878

Baba O'Riley - 2/1/2006

I was planning a trip to Scotland this summer, but I'm considering Denmark instead.

I have to confess that my knowledge of this proud nation is minimal at best, but I intend to correct this.

Americans need to firmly support their allies.

Baba O'Riley - 2/1/2006

We're with you in Texas!!!

Like Mac above, I want to assure you that you've got friends in the Lone Star State.

There's a lot of anti-Islamofascist sentiment here.

Baba O'Riley - 2/1/2006

It's all over the U.S. "blogosphere". Virtually every weblog that I visit is addressing it.

As I posted on another reply, I can't even find any more Danish beer at my local beer store! They're sold out, and I can't help but believe it's due to the "Buy Danish" campaign. They've always had Carlsberg beer before today.

Khalid From Saudi - 2/1/2006

We were considering Denmark one of the most peaceful people in the world ... and one of the countries that respect all religions . but what was published in Jyllands-Posten in 30-9-2005 is non acceptable by any Muslim all over the world .. and it has no relation with freedom of opinion !!!
We were deeply shocked seeing a Danish newspaper (Jyllands Posten ) offending almost 1 billion Muslims around the world by publishing a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed seen as a terrorist carrying bombs on his head! This is not just offending Muslims, it is also offending the whole world, since Prophets of God are messengers of peace that came to spread peace and good well to all people this includes as well: Prophet Moses, Prophet Jesus, Prophet Noah, Prophet Abraham.. etc.

Baba O'Riley - 2/1/2006

Explain to me how opposition to anti-Islamofascism is racist? If the "moderate Islam majority" were even mildly vocal in their opposition to the acts of their fanatic brethren, there would be no anti-Islamic backlash in Denmark or any other Western nation.

But when we continually witness videotaped beheadings, car bombings, and the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent women and children (including Mustlims) how are we to come to any other conclusion than that this is a cultural/religious war? Especially when such acts are NEVER condemned by the "moderates"?

DK - 2/1/2006

It simply just seems like the ones supporting this boycot ain't very bright. Every post you see where people seems to support it, you see like 2 lines of BS and no arguments.

not feedom - 2/1/2006

Support prophet mohammed
don't buy danish products
when your freedom cross other people's rights then it is ATTACK

Baba O'Riley - 2/1/2006

Just to clarify, I bought the last three six packs at my usual beer store. I don't mean to imply that other stores in the Dallas area are sold out.

It could just be that I live in a highly anti-Islamofascist area.

Baba O'Riley - 2/1/2006

There appears to be a Danish beer crisis developing in the Dallas, Texas area. I just purchased the last three six packs of Carlsberg, and Tuborg was already sold out.

I asked the cashier if he had seen an increase in sales of Danish beer in recent days, and he said that it's selling faster than he's ever seen. He couldn't reassure me that more would be in stock before the Super Bowl.

I would strongly encourage others to buy Danish beer sooner rather than later if you want some for the game.

jack - 2/1/2006

Source>:http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4670370.stm
Muhammad cartoon row intensifies

Some of the cartoons depict the Prophet Muhammad as a terrorist
Newspapers across Europe have reprinted caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad to show support for a Danish paper whose cartoons have sparked Muslim outrage.
Seven publications in France, Germany, the Netherlands, Italy and Spain all carried some of the drawings.

Their release in Denmark has led to protests in Arab nations, diplomatic sanctions and death threats.

Islamic tradition bans depictions of the Prophet, but media watchdogs defend press freedom to publish the images.

Reporters Without Borders said the reaction in the Arab world "betrays a lack of understanding" of press freedom as "an essential accomplishment of democracy."

'Spiting Muslims'

France Soir and Germany's Die Welt are among the leading papers to reprint the cartoons, which first appeared in Denmark last September.

The caricatures include drawings of Muhammad wearing a headdress shaped like a bomb, while another shows him saying that paradise was running short of virgins for suicide bombers.

In Berlin, Die Welt argued there was a right to blaspheme in the West, and asked whether Islam was capable of coping with satire.

"The protests from Muslims would be taken more seriously if they were less hypocritical," it wrote in an editorial.

La Stampa in Italy, El Periodico in Spain and Dutch paper Volkskrank also carried some of the drawings, while France Soir reprinted the full set.

It did so to show "religious dogma" had no place in a secular society, the paper said.

European Muslims spoke out against the pictures.

The president of the French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM), Dalil Boubakeur, described France Soir's move as an act of "real provocation towards the millions of Muslims living in France".

In Germany, the vice-chairman of the central council of Muslims said Muslims would be deeply offended.

"It was done not to defend freedom of the press, but to spite the Muslims," Mohammad Aman Hobohm said.

Sanctions

Correspondents say the European papers' actions have widened a dispute which has grown very serious for Denmark.

The publication last September in Jyllands-Posten has provoked diplomatic sanctions and threats from Islamic militants across the Muslim world.

Foreign Minister Per Stig Moeller has postponed a trip to Africa because of the dispute.

Thousands of Palestinians protested against Denmark this week, and Arab ministers called on it to punish Jyllands-Posten.

Syria and Saudi Arabia have recalled their ambassadors to Denmark, while Libya said it was closing its embassy in Copenhagen and Iraq summoned the Danish envoy to condemn the cartoons.

The Danish-Swedish dairy giant Arla Foods says its sales in the Middle East have plummeted to zero as a result of the row, which sparked a boycott of Danish products across the region.

The offices of Jyllands-Posten had to be evacuated on Tuesday because of a bomb threat.

The paper had apologised a day earlier for causing offence to Muslims, although it maintained it was legal under Danish law to print them.

Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen welcomed the paper's apology, but defended the freedom of the press.

TF - 2/1/2006

It amazes me how the muslim world has reacted to this...

Denmark sends millions of aid $ to the Palestinian people -> they burn the flag and posters of the Danish prime minister...

Denmark helped liberate Kuwait back in the early 90's when Iraq occupied the country...

Denmark helped Tjechnian (spelling?) rebels (fundamental muslims, might I add) have a conference in Copenhagen in spite of Russian protests...

AND THIS IS THE THANKS WE GET?????

Baba O'Riley - 2/1/2006

I've talked to many of my beer-drinking friends here in Dallas, and they've all agreed to buy Danish beer for the game. Each one is also going to call others and ask them to do the same.

I'm starting to smell VICTORY! (OK, maybe just a small sniff)

Lauren Johnson - 2/1/2006

I've also been to Denmark and it is a great place!

I urge to all to buy Danish products to support that wonderful nation in its pursuit for freedom.

LJ

Pomerol - 2/1/2006

"I ask god -Allah- to destroy all your plans, and use them to destroy yourselfs."

It sure doesn't look like the Prophet comes with peace judging by your views. I do believe in my heart your people have more to offer than hatred and the like. I can only understand your point of view based on the misinformation about the west you are being victims of in Egypt and many other Muslim countries. But since your have the ability the read and write eniglish I suggest you start using it to get more information based on non-Muslim sources.

Andrei - 2/1/2006

Support democracy and freedom, show the Buy Danish Campaign corner banner on your site.

http://www.oprea.org/blog/archives/2006/02/buy_danish_camp.cfm

Benny Denmark - 2/1/2006

Oh my,,,this is a good way to put it,,way to go

Andrei - 2/1/2006

Support democracy and freedom, show the Buy Danish Campaign corner banner on your site.

http://www.oprea.org/blog/archives/2006/02/buy_danish_camp.cfm

Steve Adams - 2/1/2006

There's a nice variation I like that goes like this: "You may not agree with what I have to say, but I'll defend to your death my right to say it."

Viking - 2/1/2006

And for my Super Bowl there will be a lot of good beer from the America

- 2/1/2006

Ahhh, how surprising! This supposed demonstration turned out to be a false rumour. Not one person showed up at the city council of Copenhagen, not one.

kent - 2/1/2006

So the Danes are racists ? Try living in the Middle East as a European and I will show you racism.. The Arab´s are always right (no matter how wrong they are) and workers here are treated like slaves because they are considered inferior to the locals. Arabs are the worst Racists I have every come across.. the funny thing is that some of them even display Nazi symbols as a sign of anti-semitism.. funny, cause I think Arabs were next on Hitlers list after he was done with the Jews and the Slavs.. anyway, got a bit carried away here.. just dont buy Danish then.. your custom will not be missed...

Kent - 2/1/2006

Cowards..I dont get you Mohammed. We stand up for what we beleive in and you call us cowards... Do you want to hear something really funny ? Islam is a peacefull religion ! My a..e it is. What is peacefull about hijacking planes and flying them into buildings or blowing up trains and busses full of innocent civilians, what about Saddam Hussein using nervegas to wipe out Kurdish Villagers..or his troops rolling into kuwait, looting the country and raping their women.. or Iran/Iraq, both Muslim countries, shooting at eachother for over 10 years (i think with a million deaths)..what is peaceful about that.. no.. Islam it not peaceful and there will always be war in the middle east.. the sooner we can invent an alternative to oil the better..then we can send all muslims back to the middle east and see how they get on.. my guess.. not very well, because apparently every disagreement has to be settled through violence it would appear..

Kingdom DK - 2/1/2006

Dear Charlotte.

I would like to send you a "get well soon-card". But I don´t have your adress. In the meantime I hope your doctor have found the right balance for your medication.

Kingdom DK - 2/1/2006

When my grandchildren finds out that it was cartoons that set of World War 3 into motion, they´ll properbly laugh their pants of....This is the worse propogandastunt the world have ever seen. It´s embaressing. Please send your children to school instead of burning of flags...It´s insulting to every living intelligence on the planet.

Mol - 2/1/2006

Buy stocks in danish windmill industry - They are market leaders, and now they have Bush's word behind a growing market:

www.vestas.dk

Greg - 2/1/2006

Freedom of speech is far more important than some percieved "freedom to not be offended".

If this freedom is lost, others will follow.

http://www.cafepress.com/catscape.46353582

Lars - 2/1/2006

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/da.html#People

facts etc.

jorn, denmark - 2/1/2006

Now the drawings are shown all over Europe, and all freedom- loving people should stand up against moslem tyranny- shame on Bill Clinton!

Nicole NY - 2/1/2006

Wow! Some of you Danes are really afraid and heart goes out to you. You have no idea how many Americans are supporting you right now. We are all lining up to buy your products and we are looking to have these cartoons printed in American newspapers.

To the Danish citizen who is afraid of the Muslims in school---stay strong. I have a good feeling that the tide against muslim bullies is going to turn.

To the muslims who take offense to these cartoons---get over it. you are now living in a country who practices free speech and if that offends---too bad. If you can't handle it---please feel free to move back to your oppressive and backwards country where you will feel more at home. Western Society is waking up to you and your twisted ways.

Long live freedom of speech and long live the Danes!

Pomerol - 2/1/2006

Hirsi Ali surely is a darling. How fare a you willing to go in the fight for freedom and democracy. I believe Hirsi Ali shows us the way. She should be an inspiration to all of us.

http://ayaanhirsiali.web-log.nl/categorie/46044

http://www.balder.org/articles/Theo-van-Gogh-Film.php

Michelle the American - 2/1/2006

Stay strong Steen J. Alot of people feel as you do. I don't know how to feel about Muslims but I do know that the moderate Muslims need to take charge against the extremists among them.

Michelle the American - 2/1/2006

I support the Danes and the right to free speech. If the Muslims find the cartoons offensive...don't look at them. If Muslims can't integrate to Western societies....leave. If the Muslims threaten those practicing free speech...have them arrested and deported permanently.

I personally want to buy some t-shirts depicting these cartoons. It's my right to wear them and if it offends the over sensitized Muslims....I don't give a shit. My right to free speech trumps the Muslims make believe right to not be offended. Go Danes!

Anders Vedel - 2/1/2006

From a Dane living in New Orleans.

Thank you for all your support.

Gud bevare Danmark and God bless the US of A

??? - 2/1/2006

Shut the hell up muhammad. it is you who the coward. Time to get these cartoons on some teeshirts.

Kasper Sørensen - 2/1/2006

Thanks, i just replaced the french wine with one from california..

Keep up the good work..

If every U.S. citizen in average bought danish goods for the amount of 20 us $.. Then it would absobe the muslim damage done to us..

- 2/1/2006

You are wrong! It is you who haven't read it through. Jyllands Posten are apoligizing for having hurt the feelings of millions of muslims, but it is true that they haven't apoligized for the printing of the cartoons.

Thor - 2/1/2006

We visited Denmark because the business I work for is half owned by a Danish company. We were enchanted with everything about the country. For anyone considering traveling to DK -- DON'T HESITATE! We were worried about the fact that we did not speak Danish - however, almost everyone speaks English and they welcome American dollars.

While in Copenhagen we observed elegant looking people riding their nondescript and modest bicycles, carrying baskets of flowers, or small children. We also noticed that most of the taxis were either Mercedes Saabs or Audis. I talked to one taxi driver who spoke perfect English and asked him why English was so commonly spoken in Denmark. He remarked that Danish people in general do, and always have, maintained strong positive feelings towards Americans. He said that if I was traveling in France or Germany it would of course be different.

We look forward to going back to Denmark MANY more times in the future.

Kenneth - 2/1/2006

Hi Muhammed.
I think you have got the story and the issue wrong. I, personally, is sad that you feel offended by these cartoons. There are some things i would like to make clear to you: First of all it it forbidden for a muslim to draw a picture of a living thing, especially the Prophet. But since Im´m not a muslim that cannot go for me. Am i right? So I can draw whatever i want. Second, the muslim community demands legal steps to be taken against the newspaper. It has already been done, but there was no case. It is not illigal to make fun, or make satiric cartoons in that little country. If you are so offended by the cartoons, and I especially think of the one where the Prophets turba is shaped like a bomb, you maybe should condsider why any person would like to draw the Prophet like that. I guess he´s referring to some muslims habit of blowing up killing innocent people. If you say that you are offended by the cartoons I will say, that I was deeply offended by arab and muslim terrorists slamming two airplaines into World Trade Center.

Simon DK - 2/1/2006

Just want to say thanks to all of those who're supporting Denmark via the "Buy Danish" campaign.
Make sure everyone knows about it - it's the best weapon we have against the fundamentalists, that wants to control our freedom of speech.
Also thanks for the support from european newspapers, that're are bringing the Muhammed drawings.

Mikkel Pind - 2/1/2006

FOX news is nothing but a tabloid channel. They are not trying to be impartial which I find really absurd. They even brag about it. I find it more to be a propaganda channel than an information channel.
Despite that it is good that they have mentioned this case, even though I can see their truh intention (christian war crusade ;)

Jeff - 2/1/2006

An artist in the U.S. created the so-called work of art, "Piss Christ" and nobody called for the murder of the artists. Were Christians outraged? Of course they were. However, we recognized the value of the freedom of speech, "It makes it easier to spot the idiots."

Christian (US) - 2/1/2006

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Ren - 2/1/2006

FOX news had a story on this but the other networks have not covered this story. Here in United States FOX usually covers "real" stories much better than the rest,

Ren - 2/1/2006

It is good to see FRANCE, ICELAND and GERMANY are publishing these. DENMARK and these 3 great countries are showing the world that they will not be silenced by terrorists. push it in their faces.

Eva Lindvig - 2/1/2006

You wrote me

Heidi Helleskov - 2/1/2006

Some people have talked about boycotting Arab products - I say no. We won't stoop to their level.

Besides - if we wanted to boykott them - which products other than oil do the countries of the ME export? And in Denmark we product more than enough oil for our own consumption. And we export various alternative energy sources too.

Heidi Helleskov - 2/1/2006

In appreciation of your support I will start looking for Indian products in Denmark. Thanks ;-)

Philip - 2/1/2006

I'm not sure THIS has been on the news in the states, but the whole debate and pictures and all that thing sure has... thats been pretty much over the world :S

Dane - 2/1/2006

What are your sources? Our exports to the Middle East are much higher, and the boycot has affected us tremendously. Arla has been forced to let go of hundreds of workers, which is scores for a country of 5 million people. And you give 794 mio. US support to what?

SUPPORT Denmark, support Arla. Buy Danish! www.supportdenmark.com

Spread the word, America!

Dane - 2/1/2006

Has this been on the news in the states? It sure has in Denmark. I am sure that if it made news in the US, the anti-boycot would escalte.
Boy, I am just so moved by all the support. The United States and Denmark are two fabulous democratic countries. We should be so, so proud.

Has anyone else linked this to other big blogs? Lets get this on a roll! Freedom!

Philip - 2/1/2006

Yes, they will be arrested for doing that. However, many people will only hear "protest about the pictures" and go there. I just want to warn people for what is really going on, in case they havent heard the whole story.

Mol - 2/1/2006

Buy stocks in danish windmill industry - They are market leaders, and now they have Bush's word behind a growing market:

www.vestas.dk

- 2/1/2006

Buy stocks in danish windmill industry - They are market leaders, and now they have Bush's word behind a growing market:

www.vestas.dk

- 2/1/2006

Well if SO many NON-Muslim citizens of the Western Democratic States are skeptical of Muslims and Islam (75% of Swedes...really?!); it is for very GOOD reason. Who, with ANY sense of rationale can say that the jihadist campaigns of Islamic fascists have not given "infidels" cause for alarm and skepticism as well as outright disgust and fear?!
Recent events throughout EU and Australia with Muslim uprisings, the election of terrorist group Hamas as the government of Palestine and the Iranian nuclear crisis (ever wonder where those WMDs from Iraq went?!), all betray the true agenda of the Islamic fascists. The call to "remove Israel from the map," is nothing less than a (hijab) veiled jihadist call to wipe out the Western Democratic States and ALL non-Muslim "infidels."
Hiding one's head in the sands of idealistic denial won't make the bad guys go away: Who can distinguish between jihadis and respectful "moderate" Muslims - do you think that they're all going to come right out and tell you what their true leanings are?! IF so, you'd do well to quickly acquaint yourself with the Koranic doctrine of al-Taqiyya. The fact is that Muslims don't generally seek to assimilate into western cultures so much as they seek to merely reap the financial benefits and religious freedoms that Western Democratic States have allowed. Islamic fascists have been abusing those rights and democratic principles so grievously that they have required drastic ammendments so as to protect non-Muslim citizens from the covert operations of the all-too prevalent terrorist sleeper cells planted within our midst. To date: NO Jewish or Christian group has so wantonly and deliberately attacked a civilian target during a non-war state with such indiscriminant disregard for human life as was witnessed in the WTC attacks of Sept. 11, 2001: The inexcusable utilization of international public airplanes as weapons to destroy massive public buildings in which all nationalities religions and creeds worked was just the manifestation of the Islamic fascists hatred of ALL "infidels"...NOT just America or Americans - this is a problem and imminent genocidal threat which faces ALL of us. So any arguments about the bloodiness and violence wrought by Christian crusaders or Jewish armies in the biblical past are wholly and completely moot - It is Islam which is in its jihadi (crusader) phase and poses the immediate and potentially devastating threat to the rest of the non-Muslim world at large. They MUST be stopped and the "moderate" Muslims MUST be held accountable and with the UTMOST scrutiny to ensure their intentions remain honorable. Surveilance keeps good people honest. This is not the time for idealistic denial - we are facing a Muslim Menace: Plain and simple... and it is high time to call it what it is and to act accordingly.

Henning - 2/1/2006

Better yet. Its a "HUMAN" right to have "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"...

Muhammad Mosa - 2/1/2006

Yeah sure you all do! Now I have a full picture. your just dogs fot isreal. I'm proud to say that I'm Muslim, and I believe in God and his Prophit Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him.
and I ask god -Allah- to destroy all your plans, and use them to destroy yourselfs. Aamen
Muhammad M. Mosa Soliman
Egyptian Muslim

Henning - 2/1/2006

Way to go Baba... Your contribution is noticed and Muhammad will turn in his grave...

Mikkel Pind - 2/1/2006

I have to correct you. Do not say it is a "holy" right, it just makes a mess of the whole point! (even though you write it in exclamation point). If anything you should write "sacred" or "constetutional" which is not necessarily connected to religion.

Muhammad Mosa - 2/1/2006

Danish, Danish, Danish.
After reading most of the comments, I realized that most of you Danish are just set of cowards. Freedom, What freedom you such people like you can talk about. Freedom of isulting others.
Besure that the boycott will cause a great damage in your economy. If it was in my hand, I would execute those who draw these cartoons.

Henning - 2/1/2006

Burning the Koran is by law illegal in Denmark.

Henning - 2/1/2006

I agree. Far out right wing politics is no good. i'll for sure stay away...

Mikkel Pind - 2/1/2006

Do not worry. A demonstration like this will not be allowed in Copenhagen. You are maiking it seem like it will happen. If individuals do, they will be arrested for disturbin the peace. End of story.

Henning - 2/1/2006

A lot of pictures has been published since the 9'th century. At www.zombietime.com, a website about free speech, you can see a lot of examples of these picures. Why can't i find any complaints about all of these pictures from the muslim countries. Strange. Please comment....!

Pomerol - 2/1/2006

"my mistake that I thought honesty was worth something nowadays."

Honesty is worth a great deal. But honesty doesn't nessecarily justify ones actions.

"People are not to speak their mind in this blog - only if it is to be less constructive and openminded."

You are free to share your opinion with all of us in this blog. I don't see how this blog has prevented your from doing just that. You do have to realize that since you are not alone, your opinion may be questioned. And so it should be in a democratic world.

Charlotte - 2/1/2006

I will answer you back with the same respect as you show me, and it will probably be the last of me in this thread.

People are not to speak their mind in this blog - only if it is to be less constructive and openminded.

I get the point - and that's just the way it is.

So I am so happy for all of the other persons presenting Danish products that it is not their own business they are promoting - my mistake that I thought honesty was worth something nowadays.

Philip - 2/1/2006

The "protest" on Rådhuspladsen today is mostly lead by a few neo nazi's. I urge everyone NOT to go there. Burning the Koran and yelling out racist comments will never do anything good.
This is NOT a protest for Freedom of Speech, it is a racist gathering, and nothing good is likely to come of it. Most likely, its only going to make things worse. Stay civil, and do not endorse religious hate.

Thank you.

charlotte - 2/1/2006

I love a good sense of humour

Bry - 2/1/2006

You will loose Muslims this insane uproar, Freedom of Speech will prevail, always!

Philip Zeplin - 2/1/2006

Definitely a good thing!

Pomerol - 2/1/2006

"I told them, the essence, that Danes are not very tolerante people."

You can't make a statement like this one based upon two comments in a discussion thread.

"The freedom of speech is very active in Denmark, but people too get violated for speaking their mind."

I have never been violated for using my democratic rights. And I don't think that violence is a huge problem in Denmark. We do try to resolve problems in a non-violent,orderly fashion.

"I am only trying to make a living of making art - am I to blame?"

I don't find it very constructive to blame you or anyone else. If someone likes to buy your art - good for you. But as I said before - I don't find your methods desirable.

Philip Zeplin - 2/1/2006

Go away, seriously. It makes me sad you want to make a profit out of this discussion and situation.
Now, if you previously only sold your pictures to Muslims, I could understand you, but I highly doubt that...

Mr M - 2/1/2006

French, Islandic and German newspapers have printed the drawings!

Lets explain to the muslim world, that this is not a provocation - but the only response western countries can make, when confronted with this sort of pressure on free press - primarily based on lies and selfpromovation from radical imams in denmark, and willfull lies from arab media such as Al Jazeera!

I think several nations (including the flag-burners), owe denmark an apology for punishing the danish people like this!
After all, the newspaper gave an apology for offended feelings (not for the printing!)

So we will see, if corrupt regimes of the muslim world, only can start fires, or if they have the reason, deacensy, and fairness to stop them again!

kip haws jackwad - 2/1/2006

Is anyone else out there getting the ultr-irony of this case of life imitating art?!?!

Philip Zeplin - 2/1/2006

Peter, you most definitely do NOT speak for me. This is a matter of freedom of speech, not religion or race. Go spew your racist blapper somewhere else, please.

(but note that Peter is allowed to say his oppinion, and we are allowed to say we dont agree).

Arnt Furunes - 2/1/2006

Right back atcha kiddo!

How can you talk at all, with so much shit in your mouth?

Clean up your language, then talk about respect. And furthermore, stop trying to scare people with your talk of death penalties.

Arnt Furunes - 2/1/2006

No it ain't.

If you took the time to read through the whole statment issued by Jyllandsposten, you'd have noticed that they never actually apologized for anything. They expressed regret that the feelings of muslims were hurt, but they did not apologize for having printed the cartoons. in fact, they repeatedly upheld that the printing was well within the ethics of free speech.

The message came in both Danish and Arabic, as well as English, so there's no excuse for not having read it through!

Charlotte - 2/1/2006

Right, I get your point. And, true, I am trying to make a profit on the situation.

I do not understand the persons replying to me in Danish, and they have not got back on my comment to them.

I told them, the essence, that Danes are not very tolerante people.

The freedom of speech is very active in Denmark, but people too get violated for speaking their mind.

I am only trying to make a living of making art - am I to blame?

Lotzon - 2/1/2006

I just read on a web site of a Danish newspaper, that a nationla French paper has decided to publish the drawings as well. This I think is a step in the right direction for free speach in Europe, and let the muslim countries know that we as Europeans stick together..

Pomerol - 2/1/2006

It would probably be best to keep this ongoing debate in english. Personally I do not like your add. You are using this political campaigne to create a potential profit for yourself. If you had linked to other young promising danish artists, I would have read your posting from a totally different point of view.

Lotzon (Dane) - 2/1/2006

well, if you read my reply, you would see that I dodn't say that I am on the muslim side, and that I think that this whole issue has been escalated way put of proportion. I DON'T think that anyone should appologise, but I really think that people should lay away their double standards.
A lot of people got offended when they saw muslims burn the danish flag, because it contains a cross, a vital dansih (read: christian) religious symbol. If we can ridicule a muslikm symbol, then they should also be allowed to do the same with a dansih one.
Also I think that personal attacks in issues like these, are way immature...but hey..thats just me

Arnt Furunes - 2/1/2006

I love the Danish people.

Thjey know how to say what they mean, and mean what they say.

Michael - 2/1/2006

Yesterday I bought koriander spice produced in Israel. I also often buy avocados produced in Israel - everybody does.

Michael - 2/1/2006

Well.. No, you go ahead yourself and find offending carricatures of Moses, Jesus or whatever. It wont be hard to find both carricatures and people offended by them without anybody raging through the streets with AK47's (or the danish equivalent M75), burning flags and threatening innocent people with beheadings. There is a new invention called a search engine - I am sure your government allows you to view whatever information you find appropriate.

Not appropriate and possibly offending = stay away or take people to the courts, where the socalled atrocity was committed.. Thats how it works in the free world.

Michael - 2/1/2006

How we would feel, if Jesus was portrayed in the same way? ...

Well, your ignorance almost blinds me. Christians, Jews and so on are often made fun of every where in the world, where there is free speech. Crucifix in a jar with Urin, popstar posing as Jesus, Jesus as a talk show host and I could go on and on and on. Grow a thicker skin if you dont like it. The cartoons are not racist and they do not promote violence agains a muslims. They are in other words legal.

And who should then decide what is acceptable? You? Should there be a muslim imam employed advising news papers what is acceptable and not offending? .. If I wasn't so polite, I would tell you to go fuck yourself.

Thomas Winther - 2/1/2006

This little family-owned Atlanta-based business only sells goods from Scandinavia. Check out their web site and let's get this Buy Danish Campaign going.

Henning - 2/1/2006

Just change name to Allah Foods....

//Sarcasm off

Viking - 2/1/2006

Thanks Philip. Nice 2 C such great support... Keep on supporting free speech...

Lotzon (Dane) - 2/1/2006

I quite agree with what Dan say. Jyllands-Posten (The paper that published the drawings) should have though an extra time about what consequences (spelling check) it might have to publish them. How would we feel (the western world), if Jesus was portraied in the way Muhammed was? In my oppinion this case has been escalated way out of porportion. Don't get me wrong, I do believe in freedom of speech, but this is getting a bit sick. How do we Danes feel, when we see muslims burn a Danish flag (the cros in the flag symbolizing our Christianity)? This should be their right as well??
Quit the double standards, please!! Jyllands-Posten shouldn't appologise, but we need to throw away our, way to familiar, Danish double standard. All rules apply for both teams....

Charlotte - 2/1/2006

Alle kan forsøge og jeg manifesterer netop retten til ytringsfrihed ved involment på en konstruktiv måde.

Det er altså forbeholdt Arla, Royal Copenhagen og LEGO at repræsentere Danmark?

I er snævertsnydede og smålige - typisk dansk hyklerisk holdning.

keith - 2/1/2006

Thank you for your support. Everybody i speak with in Denmark really embraces your support.
Denmark is a free country - we have the freedom of speech as one of our "most holy" rights!!
the true source to this mess, is the Imams in Denmark - who travelled around in the countries spreading lies all over the region!

Rune - 2/1/2006

It nice to hear from all humans who share a littel more diverse and mordern way of thinking.
But its sad that it surprising to hear a moderat way of thinking from the arab world . we need to here more than the extremist words . and ops there it is the voice of reason from Egypt . its giving a little hope for a better tomorrow

hope that a lot of muslims share your cool way of thinking , and they will speak up with a 1000 voices
then maybe we can all built a better and more tollerant world.

continue to speak your mind Hassan.

Rune - 2/1/2006

HMMMMM Nice try Greed Monkey

P F Elbech - 2/1/2006

I have never been a Bush supporter but I have to say the he is on to something when he asked the American people in his State of the Union yesterday to reduce the countrys dependency on oil. America, reduce your oil consumption and support Denmark and our figth for a free and democratic world, free of tyrants and evil people. The danish muslims who are demonising the very country and peoples who have helped them build a better life should be prosecuted for spreading false information and causing this problem in the first place.

hans - 2/1/2006

Peter, why do you need to post these lies? Post something when you know it's true. Do not make this any worse than it already is!

hans - 2/1/2006

Charlotte, få dig et liv! Der er sgu ingen der boycotter dig. Dårligt forsøg på at score penge på denne sag fra din side af er flovt for os alle

Dan - 2/1/2006

Ok Mikkel,

You start first!!

Try this against Jewes in any newspaper, then let me know the type of present they gave you.

Then I will follow you guider.

Mikkel - 2/1/2006

Sure, you can draw Moses. Or Jesus. Or God. Or Satan. Or whoever you want to draw. Actually, thats what a group of people in Saudi-Arabia did, but noone here in Denmark really cared. So go ahead, draw or write whatever you want. It's your right to do so.

Dan - 2/1/2006

Dear Ole D. (liberal *****)

Here is the clear question again:

can we practice this freedom against Jewes?? or can we draw Moses instead of their Muhammed at the same way!!

Answer me with out ....huh?

Charlotte - 2/1/2006

Hello everyone,

I should like to draw the attention to the possibility of buying Danish artistic work.

I would like to offer you a digital picture, that I have created myself.
The size will be printable to a poster at approx. 70 cm x 50 cm.

Please visit my site
http://www.brisingamen.dk/brisingamen/fotogalleri_1.htm

and write me, if you need any further information.

Thanks, charlotte

Thomas Holm - 2/1/2006

Interestingly enough, NOTHING about said attacks on TV news, radio news, internet news sites. So to be taken with a LARGE grain of salt.

JM Hanes - 1/31/2006

Your link to danishporcelain.com needs correction. A superfluous "dan" has been included at the start of the URL, which makes the address unreadable.

Bravo on buying Danish! Will do.

- 1/31/2006

Beklager, at i får den på engelsk Læs politikken i morgen. Jeg har den desværre kun på engelsk

News from the the danish front:
Tonight 2 priest from CPH was burned to death by gazoline bombs. 1 died in his home with 2 children. Bombs was thrown through the window, and the family died almost instantly. The other one was hit by bombs in his car. He died on the hospital. It was done by muslims.
PLEASE SUPORT US - WE NEED IT

peter - 1/31/2006

- 1/31/2006

Might be. Who cares. danish export to the middle east is less than 1% of bni. We give 794 mill. us in aid suport. Stop it. Let them die of hunger. Who cares?. Burning flag - and taking money from us?????`. They can die.

peter - 1/31/2006

Rosendahl. - 1/31/2006

TO FREDERIK.
YOUR FATHER MUST HAVE FORGOTTEN TO TELL YOU, THAT THE DANISH WORKERS, ALSO WOULD HAVE BEEN OUT OF WORK, IF ARLA´S STRATEGY, MOVING FACTORY´S TO
OTHER CONTRIES, WERE PRODUCING COST LESS THAN IN DENMARK. HAS BEEN A SUCCES.
SO SPARE ME FOR THE CROCODILLE TEARS.

Laila - 1/31/2006

When September 11 2001 happened ..... the muslims all over the world reminded us that not all muslims were terrorists, but aren't they now saying that all of Denmark and the Danish are bad and all muslims need to stay together and boycott all Danish goods? Double standard. They have burned MY flag and I want an apology for that and for all the times I have been insulted on the streets of Copenhagen by muslims. From now on I will boycott anything from the middle east. I’m sick and tired of them. When you are a guest in a country, you should behave as a guest and not make demands. I do.....I live in America and I am Danish.
Please e-mail all your Danish friends and family around the world and ask for their "Buy Danish" support. I did. Laila

Thomas Holm - 1/31/2006

Freedom of Expression goes both ways.

If we Danes (or rather one of our newspapers) have the right to publish twelve drawings of a religious symbol (Mohammed) that appear insulting a large part of the muslim world, then by default those muslims have the right to express themselves by burning a national symbol (the Dannebrog). It is distasteful, yes. Insulting, I don't know. Frankly, I don't care.

Thomas Holm - 1/31/2006

The whole affair is one big mch-ado-about-nothing fueled by politicians and newspapers on both sides.

Yes, Jyllands Posten was within its right under freedom of expression to publish those drawings. They should not apologize. The Danish governmnt should not apologize.

I just wished they were consistent.

When Palestinians burned the Danish flag, the Dannebrog, several politicians protested against it. Two bishops, of Viborg and of Aalborg where I live even called it blasphemous as the Christian cross s part of the flag.

All I can say about that: The Right of Freedom of Expression that we Danes hold so high in the twelve drawings also gives those Palestinians the ight to express their anger by burning the flag. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Niko - 1/31/2006

"Wow, my Fatwa is already working…."

No its his own Fatwa..It says 2 places in his comment O_o

Pomerol - 1/31/2006

You ask "Why only Islam". I say "It's not Islam". The 12 different cartoonists' of the Prophet was part of an ongoing public debate on freedom of expression. The following was published in the danish newspaper (http://www.jp.dk/english_news/)today. Please take your time to read it.

Honourable Fellow Citizens of the Muslim World
Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten is a strong proponent of democracy and freedom of religion. The newspaper respects the right of any human being to practise his or her religion. Serious misunderstandings in respect of some drawings of the Prophet Mohammed have led to much anger and, lately, also boycott of Danish goods in Muslim countries.

Please allow me to correct these misunderstandings.
On 30 September last year, Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten published 12 different cartoonists' idea of what the Prophet Mohammed might have looked like. The initiative was taken as part of an ongoing public debate on freedom of expression, a freedom much cherished in Denmark.

In our opinion, the 12 drawings were sober. They were not intended to be offensive, nor were they at variance with Danish law, but they have indisputably offended many Muslims for which we apologize.

Since then a number of offensive drawings have circulated in The Middle East which have never been published in Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten and which we would never have published, had they been offered to us. We would have refused to publish them on the grounds that they violated our ethical code.

Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten attaches importance to upholding the highest ethical standards based upon the respect of our fundamental values. It is so much more deplorable, therefore, that these drawings were presented as if they had anything to do with Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten.

Maybe because of culturally based misunderstandings, the initiative to publish the 12 drawings has been interpreted as a campaign against Muslims in Denmark and the rest of the world.

I must categorically dismiss such an interpretation. Because of the very fact that we are strong proponents of the freedom of religion and because we respect the right of any human being to practise his or her religion, offending anybody on the grounds of their religious beliefs is unthinkable to us.

That this happened was, consequently, unintentional.

As a result of the debate that has been going on about the drawings, we have met with representatives of Danish Muslims, and these meetings were held in a positive and constructive spirit. We have also sought in other ways to initiate a fruitful dialogue with Danish Muslims.

It is the wish of Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten that various ethnic groups should live in peace and harmony with each other and that the debates and disagreements which will always exist in a dynamic society should do so in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

For that reason, Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten has published many articles describing the positive aspects of integration, for example in a special supplement entitled The Contributors. It portrayed a number of Muslims who have had success in Denmark. The supplement was rewarded by the EU Commission.

Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten takes exception to symbolic acts suited to demonise specific nationalities, religions and ethnic groups.

Sincerely yours

Carsten Juste
Editor-in-Chief

LS from US - 1/31/2006

Isn't it curious that similar outrage does not erupt in the Arab world when they see beheadings of innocents splashed across their evening news?

Stay true to your values -- we'll be standing with you.

Raz R - 1/31/2006

I think you judge the Jyllands Posten too hastily. The Paper has a long proud history of bigotry toward religous minorities and haven't spared the jews. In 1938 after the Cristal Night in Germany it's readers could read the following in their editorial: "After following the jew-question in Europe in decades, one can to a certain degree understand the animosity of the Germans towards the jews" ("Når man har fulgt jøde-spørgsmålet i Europa i årtier, kan man til en vis grad forstå tyskernes animositet overfor jøderne").

Søren - 1/31/2006

Nothing would happen if the newspaper would print that, since all normal thinking people would know it was bullshit, and think nothing of it.
Just like the same people take no notice when Iran repeatedly say the same thing.

Baba O'Riley - 1/31/2006

Well, I was going to buy Texas Shiner Bock beer and good ol' Longhorn cheese for my Super Bowl nachos.

I'm switching to Carlsburg (or Tuborg if I can find it) and Havarti! Not sure how the nachos will taste, but I'll give it a try.

Maybe I'll switch permanently. With my beer consumption I could nullify the impact of the Muslim boycott single-handedly :)

MadWolf - 1/31/2006

I have only One Question for you? what if the same Newspaper
published that the ..
"Holocaust is not True, and that Hitler did nothing wrong against the Jews"
what do u think the impcat and the recation from the world
Can anyone answer me
is this FREE Speech or not .. too

SKYE - 1/31/2006

Thanks for this posting and the links to some of the more tastier Danish foods.

Raz R - 1/31/2006

Lets not forget that Denmark is the biggest exporter of (human)semen in the world. I realize Danses do travel a lot, but still they can be everywhere at once. So here is a link to the country's leading provider. They have succesfully impregnated 10.000 women in 48 countries.

Check out their web page to find a distributer in YOUR country. This way you can show you support for free speach by sporting your very own Dane!

http://www.cryos.dk/index.asp

Incidently one of there biggest markets happens to be the Middle East (Jordan, Lebanon, Morocco, Oman, Tunisia, UAE)

- 1/31/2006

To Lars...

Ahhh, I'm a moron because I'm willing to suffer the consequences (which are rather mild) by defending a constitutional and fundamental right of our society? You would rather we succumb to the pressures of fundamentalists from the Middle East and abandon our beliefs and history for something as trivial as cartoons?!

Eddie - 1/31/2006

Good Heavens....Bill Clinton is wrong about everything. Don't believe him. We like Danish people here, and of course we will support you and your industries.

sup - 1/31/2006

and Flemming:

"When you air beheadings on news channels, is taht informative or is it terror mediaed up to reach everyone in the western world ? I think the latter.."

Actually, I call it freedom of the press / speech. If the christian fundamentalists were shown beheading muslims, you can be certain people would tune in. Except the people being beheaded in the middle east are the fools going there as part of an invasion force or out of greed (contractors and engineers get massive amounts of $$$$ for working in the "hostile" environment. Don't kid yourself calling them "patriots". They're greedy bastards getting what they deserve. Just driving a truck can get you $150k USD a year)

- 1/31/2006

accualy theres something typical in the danish law, in denmark it is illigal to burn a foreign flag, but it isent illigal to burn our own flag. makes you think

Theis Molin - 1/31/2006

Below is a message I've posted elsewhere on the internet - but i keep getting rejected by Al Jazeera: I think they dont like my angle! But anyways: I'll share it with you:

"The arab world has a right to be offended by the drawings - but since they are made by a independent nonreligious newspaper, you will have to accept that other people live in a free society - able to think and act freely.
After searching arab media for this story (the cartoons), I can conclude that 3/4 of all written, is a direct lie!
How do you feel about that - your media is only telling you 1/4 of the truth, and your governments use this opertunity to appease the imams and to control their people!?
How is it to make all this happening, and know that history wil condemn your views as untrue?
I'm not saying that your feelings are untrue - I'm just saying: ultraradical imams in denmark misinformed about the case, and the arab media has twisted the story beyond recognition, while your governments use this as a political tool! How does it feel to be a liar, burning the danish flag and randomly beating up innocents?
It is truly dark middleage in the arab world - may you be forgiven for your mistakes!"

I'm neither left or right, but I have come to some kind of end with my patience about this case!
I think we should seek the "non-confrontation" line here: then we can, painstackingly slowly, begin to help Islam through a much needed age of enlightenment, so our world will not end in grim disaster!

A good day to you all!

TM

sup - 1/31/2006

So you whine when they boycott you for insulting them, but OH WAIT! *GASP*! Now they're insulting a symbol of your country! Kill all ragheads!

For that I knight you an honorary Merkin.

Henrik Hornstrup - 1/31/2006

Actually I'm sad to hear about how it is to be close to the situation on Arla, and I understand you, your father and the 100 they allready had to let off. BUT I got few things to say about it,
1) no apologize will help right now, they will just come up with new demands before stopping the boycott, this is no longer an answer about the drawings, its about seeing how long they can go...its about power.
2) The freedom of speech is so mutch an cornerstone in our democratic denmark, so we simply have to stand up for it - even if its hurts.
3) the danish export to all middle east country is less than 1 mia. dollar, its not even what we exports to Ireland! so we are not going down on this. I know this will not help you, your father or the 100 others.

Eddie - 1/31/2006

LOL I think L'anse aux Meadows was the last time that happened!!

Sup - 1/31/2006

We like our oil. For that, we can ignore the lack of human rights and whatnot. Hell, they own something like a tenth of the United States...

Ole D. (from Denmark) - 1/31/2006

Looks like a lot of people in certain muslim countries fail to understand, that here in Denmark the government cannot control the newspapers. This is probably the case in certain countries, especially the ones who demands that Fogh Rasmussen takes action against Jyllandsposten.

(btw, just saw a woman from Kuwait(I think it was Kuwait) on the news, demanding an apology from the King of Denmark....huh? That´s gonna be hard, since we don't have one.)

- 1/31/2006

/laugh... so true so true.

- 1/31/2006

he is accualy my favorite filosopher

another one also fitting

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.
-Voltaire, Essay on Tolerance

Eddie - 1/31/2006

When I was in college I was a folk-dancer, and our dance group was invited to Denmark by the DDGU. We spent 3 weeks there, travelling around living with Danish families, and the Danish people were very kind to us. Of course I will support Denmark!!!

Ole D. (from Denmark) - 1/31/2006

Actually Arla is a danish/swedish cooperation, so the losses will eventually affect both danish and swedish farmers.

Eddie - 1/31/2006

Shame on you. Elephant is fantastic. I have introduced many of my friends to it and they all love it. If I ever get back to Denmark, I will make it a point to tour the Carlsberg brewery.

- 1/31/2006

sorry forgot MIO=MILL.. I am rather tired right now, worked 12 hours today.. anyway thx alot for your support!

- 1/31/2006

One of the most.. rather anoying things is, one of the contries we danes get most "bad-response" from, is palistina, which we donate 150 Mio a year to, and remember we are a contry with only 5.5 mio people, so that isent pocket change for us. It is hard to support a people that really wants you dead...

Michael Nielsen - 1/31/2006

I concur with your aswell. Peter Nielsen, you couln't be more wrong if you tried.

Pomerol - 1/31/2006

The apology from Jyllandsposten has already been adressed to the arabic world yesterday. I do believe it is worth to stand up for our democratic principals, even though it may cost jobs in Denmark. The freedom of speech isn't for sale at any price.

Jacson - 1/31/2006

"This is a twosided conflict involving freedom of speech and the tact to use it in a senseble way"

Exactly. If Theo Van Gogh had used "freedom of speech" a little more sensibly - there would have been no need for him to have been "punished".
If Jyllands Posten was sensible, the cartoons would depict Muslims only as 100% peace loving members of the human race. Those who take such pleasure from the dismemberment of innocent men, women and children are such a minority that they should not be discussed or exposed at all (in a world where freedom of speech is used sensibly.

Ren J Brewster - 1/31/2006

You said it correctly buy supporting The Danes you support The Free World.

Michael Nielsen - 1/31/2006

That is so true :-)

And small comments like the one from "GRAVESEN MY ASS", can only make me smile a little, and become even more happy about my enlightened life here in Denmark. We sure are priviliged to see things from many different angles.

And as many others, I have a hard time seing how we just became so racist over-night. I surely haven't noticed any bad words or yells against muslims or other minorities here... So where are the hate, ignorance and intolerace? Oh yea, thats right - Its in the Middle-East!

- 1/31/2006

you are right, and I can tell you I really agree with you - every word - thanks for speaking my words

Ren J Brewster - 1/31/2006

Henrik,
I can easily support you both ways. In 1998 I took 8 Soccer (football) teams (160 players and parents) from the United States to the Koge Cup in Koge Denmark. Fax Condi was the sponsor. We had the greatest time. I have always loved your great country. I will spread the word and my friends and I will act and keep Denmark in our hearts.

Ren

Frederik - 1/31/2006

My dad works for arla and has previously headed the department of sales in the middle east. He's been working 12 hour days since this bullshit started, they stand to lose aprox. 500 million dollars, since arla is a company owned by the danish farmers, all losses wil eventualy be put uppon the already financially pressured farmers.
Two arla employees have been attacked in the middle east, and arla has had to let off 100 people.

This crap has to stop, if the US is willing to help us out through the anti boycot, and buy the 800 metric tons of milk powder that arla has no idea what their gona do with thats cool, otherwise i think it's about time someone says sorry.

- 1/31/2006

Why are you ashamed of being a dane just because one guy spews out bs? The VAST majority of danes do NOT share his beliefs, they are infact directly opposed to them! He represents an extremely small minority with extreme views... so I ask again, why in the world would you be ashamed of being a dane?!

Henrik Hornstrup - 1/31/2006

just to say I absolutly agree with Pomerol

Eddie - 1/31/2006

Hello to all my Danish friends, especially those in the DDGU. I'm sitting here drinking Carlsberg Elephant, eating Havarti and remembering the good times. We can have some fun with this--I'm telling all my friends to buy Elephant. Don't be put off by those on here who claim to be ashamed of being Danish--they're just silly. Skaal!

Henrik Hornsstrup - 1/31/2006

thanks for the words about our country and thanks for your support. Its great knowing you would by danish, but its even greater just knowing you are supporting us in your mind.

- 1/31/2006

Are you claiming that that's how it is in Denmark?

- 1/31/2006

Whats your problem?? whats jews got to do with it??? nothing!!!
People like you makes me ashame being danish.
You haven't understand anything of what all this is about...

Pomerol - 1/31/2006

Well Peter I can assure you that you in fact don't speak for many Danes. I do not believe your oppinion on Muslims, Multiculturalism etc. will have a positive effect in Denmark or anywhere else around the world. On the contrary! As a Dane I will always in the name of democracy try to keep an open mind towards all etnical groups, religions, governments etc.

D.D. - 1/31/2006

Today I learned that muslim rebels in Iraq have issued a Fatwa against the Danish troops who are there as Denmark’s contribution to the Coalition. This shouldn’t really surprise anyone, as the issuing of Fatwas seems to be the standard answer to anything the muslims don’t like.

In honour of this latest Fatwa I have taken it upon myself to issue a Fatwa of my own.

I hereby decree that due to my blatantly apparent moral and ethical superiority to the Islamic extremists the following orders shall be carried out.

All Danish companies shall hire muslims only to carry out the most demeaning and trivial of tasks, and only if such tasks are rewarded with a low salary.

All Danish Universities and places of higher learning shall only accept one in a hundred muslims, and let even fewer graduate.

The Danish Police and Danish Courts shall arrest and convict muslims in such a number as to make them disproportionately represented in the various crime statistics (Sometimes by a ratio so disproportionate that they will be more than 1000 times more likely to commit certain crimes than native Danes)

The Danish Population shall treat muslims with contempt wherever they encounter them, leaving them to feel isolated both socially and economically.

So let it be written, so let it be done. My every command shall be carried out.

Wow, my Fatwa is already working….

Ren J Brewster - 1/31/2006

I have been to Copenhagen and Koge and love Denmark. I wear only Ecco shoes and will now be buying Danish Beer for the Super Bowl (Go Steelers). I will search out other Danish products and eagerly buy them. I will also build an Army of other supporters and they will do the same.
you have a beautiful country and wonderful people Thanks for the memories I will be vacationing again soon in Denmark. (and spend a lot of money)

Ren
New Jersey USA

alkud - 1/31/2006

Enjoy this
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1608/muhammadandaishasmallerjpg6wp.jpg

Victor - 1/31/2006

Yes, unfortunately we have big problems in Denmark with ignorants like some of the people posting on this board.

Hey if you don't like it in Denmark, why don't you move to the US? Oh no, that's a multicultural society, how about Greenland.

People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.
And too our many Danih moslem fellow citizens, a sincere apology for the drawings that offended you. Jyllands Posten has apologized as well, so calm down and buy our butter!

Niels (Danish) - 1/31/2006

Dear American friends and allies. Thanks for all your support, help and understanding.

We will not give in to any muslims trying to change the basics of Danish laws and/or democratic principles. For years it has been and still is taboo to speak critically about Islam - both in Denmark and especially in the rest of the EU. Usually such critizism is met with anger, is toned down or is quickly related to nazi-Germany's attacks on Jews in and up to WW2. However, as everybody should clearly see now, much of the critizism is indeed placed correctly. In fact, it is the muslims who can not take critizism and it is the muslims who are non-tollerent. As Isabella Ilsø also writes (http://hnn.us/comments/75436.html), the non-tollerance from muslims is taking place on many levels. What you see in the TV is on a high diplomatic level - but everyday it takes place also on personal levels all over the EU. It is the muslim behavior that is remarkably similar to nazi-Germany where freedom of speech extends only to where the government (or religion) begins.

I hope with the encouragement of our American friends, Denmark will be the first country in the EU to rise against this serious threat to our freedom.

May God provide you all with freedom.

Victor - 1/31/2006

Yes, unfortunately we have big problems in Denmark with ignorants like Mike.

Hey if you don't like it in Denmark, why don't you move to the US? Oh no, that's a multicultural society, how about Greenland.

People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.
And too our many Danih moslem fellow citizens, a sincere apology for the drawings that offended you. Jyllands Posten has apologized as well, so calm down!

Peter Nielsen - 1/31/2006

Thank you very much for all of your support! Hopefully by now people in Denmark are wakaing up. It's time to put an end to jews and moslems backward barbaric traditions like shetchtning/halal, circumcission and imam and rabbis that preach multiculturalism.

I know I speak for many Danes, we want their cultures back where they belong!

Bill - 1/31/2006

excellent idea....it's danish beer for the big game!

Bill - 1/31/2006

Danish products are now on my shopping list for sure! I'll pick up some Tuborg Beers tonight!

Dan - 1/31/2006

Hi to you all,

As a Dani I am challenging those of us whom are mentioning that it is matter of freedom!! can we practice this freedom against Jewes?? or can we draw Moses instead of their Muhammed at the same way!!

Kasper Sørensen - 1/31/2006

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH!!!

It is just wonderfull with this "buy danish" campaign..

We owe you one old friend!

Carlsberg/Tuborg to be served at superbowl..

XezzeX (Dane) - 1/31/2006

At danelink.com choose your location and you will be presented with the availability of Danish food and more in your state

Arne - 1/31/2006

Hi all please pass this all to all on your contact list to support Denmark during tha Arab Boykot of Denmark

Hej allesammen send venligst denne mail videre til alle på jeres mail liste for at støtte Danmark under Arabisk boykot

Underneath you will find links to Danish made things ,,Buy Danish

herunder finder du links til Danske varer,,,køb Dansk..

http://www.gknewyork.um.dk/en/servicemenu/FAQ/WherecanIbuyDanishfoodproducts.htm?WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished%23top

http://www.boardgameworld.com/product3.jsp?CATEGORY1=Monopoly&;CATEGORY2=&COUNTRY=Denmark

http://www.danishpipemakers.com/buyestate.html

http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/21097.html

http://www.artdanish.dk/shop/default.asp?ProductID=282

http://www.gknewyork.um.dk/en/servicemenu/FAQ/WherecanIbuyDanishcandyfromtheweb.htm?WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished%23top

http://www.danish-retro.com/drdhowtobuyandtermsofdelivery.htm

http://hnn.us/blogs/3.html

http://hnn.us/blogs/comments/21097.html

http://www.whitecloverdairy.com/whitecloverdairy.html

http://www.danishcrown.dk/page589.asp

http://www.danishfood.net/

http://www.danish-deli-food.com/

http://www.lego.com/eng/Default.aspx

http://www.gevalia.com/Gevalia/

Søren Larsen - 1/31/2006

I agree that a big part of Europe sees Denmark as a racist country. What that big part of Europe don't know is that the very strict immigration laws exsists because the above mentioned stats are true. They are facts. And the government is despirately trying to ensure that this is not going to continue. Thus making Denmark a better place to live in fore those 90 percent moderate muslims.

The problem is that Denmark for many, many years where the country that had the highest immigration rate. And we were like "ofcourse their gonna like it here. Lets not use any energy to integrate them... welcome, heres some money"

"Dansk folkeparti" (the danish people party) are racists. Yes. In my mind that is true.

PS. The rest of europe is slowly adapting the danish imigration laws. And I don't know if that is good or bad!?

Flemming - 1/31/2006

Dear Søren

I have not in one word mentioned these moderate moslems who live and work, and came to our country to get away from rabid opression. In fact, i am sure most of them would speak our cause. I know quite a few who is already.

Yet, the issue here is the 17 arab countries who rule their subjects firmly, who deny women education, who live double standards on a daily basis ..

THe double standards are best pictured by them on a daily basis publishing demeaning opinions about western civilisation.. 250 million americans are being insulted in their papers daily, Their biggest point is speaking up against judaism, depicting defamatory cartoons against them.

Yet they have the nerve, to demand apologetic behaviour from a government who is set in office by a people who tote a law that guarantees free and unhindered speech. I have that right, and i will use it as i see fit.

If someone feels i am defaming them, they are free to go through the judicial system to try to get me penalized, but as it is my right to express myself, you can rest assured i will use it.

They have a so-called news channel who have been known by the western world as the media link to terrorist groups. If Al Quaeda wants something published, they send a video or audio tape to this specific channel, and they can be certain it will recieve airtime..

When you air beheadings on news channels, is taht informative or is it terror mediaed up to reach everyone in the western world ? I think the latter..

jimmy - 1/31/2006

www.imgshare.net

Søren Larsen - 1/31/2006

Oh dear. Flemming, how nationalistic of you to say so. -All of that world war III stuff.

Let's not lose track of all the nice moderate muslims that live and contribute to the country we live in, Denmark.

I SO agree that the muslim world is blowing these drawings out of proportions, but it is not intirely their fault. They are being misled. Foreinstance with the fake pictures that has been released. The ones that depicts Muhammed as a pig. -those pictures has never seen the day of light in Denmark!

I'm just saying: I can understand why they are pissed of, BUT: pleace calm down.

This is all making me very sad. But if there is one thing I agree a 100 percent with, it is that the prime minister should NOT appologise. That would be going against everything we stand fore. That would be like me appologising fore my neigburgh saying a svear word in church.

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Fantastic. Will link to it on my website.

http://www.Philip-Zeplin.com

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Thank you! The support is simply amazing!

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Just your support is more than expected. Thank you!

Christian - 1/31/2006

http://www.supportdenmark.com

steve - 1/31/2006

i'm waiting for "blood money". until then, i'll just have to drink your beer.

Shane Stroud - 1/31/2006

I just bought a case of Carlsberg beer, and I think I'll be checking out Bodum Cafe & Homestore here in NYC, the American flagship of the Danish kitchenware concern.

Benny Olsen - 1/31/2006

Thank you friend all over the world, for supporting Denmark

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Pff, forget Carlsberg, go Turbog! ;)
Ah, good to have some beer mentioned in here!
Again, thank you for your support.

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Hihi, this made me laugh. Fun post in a way to serious and stupid discussion!

RocketCat - 1/31/2006

Hi, im Danish. And proud of... i'll appreciate any support!!!

the muslins and imams are so touchy-feely...

WE DO NOT OWE THEM AN APOLOGY...

in Denmark we have rights!, and freedom of speech...

i hope that Denmark and the European Union will stand strong in this case!

Zesse - 1/31/2006

Thank you Hassan, it is good to know that guys like you are out there.

Kjeld - 1/31/2006

"Mange bække små gør stor å!"

Meaning something like: "Many a brook make a big river."

So, thank you!

Sariah - 1/31/2006

but I will be buying cheese and cookies on my way home from work today. Thank you Danes.

- 1/31/2006

A very informative post and a great argument at that... keep it up.

[/sarcasm]

Jordan Smith - 1/31/2006

Don't give in. Not one inch. Freedom of speech forever!

Sherwood Baker - 1/31/2006

You have my support as always. I will buy plenty of Danish products, hold firm they can't silence you or us!

Holly - 1/31/2006

sorry for the link mistake..
Just copy and paste the whole link into your browser...

Sherwood Baker - 1/31/2006

We will always support our Norse Brothers and sisters!

Holly - 1/31/2006

Here are the link to JP and the Danish government..
http://www.jp.dk/kontakt_jp/

http://denmark.dk/portal/page?_pageid=374,477789&;_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL

Rick (Danish) - 1/31/2006

Great to hear that once again we can expect some support from our long time allies, but let us hope this will not go much futher, eventhough the newspaper that printed the cartoons has just received a bombthreat at their HQ in Aarhus.

Flemming - 1/31/2006

This is actually the most significant thing that has happened since Germany surrendered. We have two quite clearly drawn out fronts, who will fight for their belief till the end. In fact, i've been wondering for quite a few years what would bring the danish spirit to rise again, and here we have it... Someone trying to stop us from using our right to express ourselves as we so please, or walk around naked in our own back yards.

They will not succeed. It's an ancient and ignorant way of life. It is actually rather symbolic, Denmark - 1000 years ago we were one of the worlds greatest nations, now we have diminished to one of europes smaller people, yet - in 30 years i am quite certain that we - the danes - will have come out of WW-III as the victorious party, in 30 years when the ignorant religious leaders have all died, when people have grown so tired of killing eachother, they realize that our philosophy is the philosophy they should have adopted when they had the chance.

Bill Clinton calls these drawings scandaleous ...... The one person in the world who should keep quiet about scandals, is the adulterous lying former US president named Clinton.

Even IF the danish parliament should feel forced to issue a statement apologizing for something individuals did, this issue has created more hatred towards islam within the danish people, than anyone could have ever imagined possible.

Maltesen - 1/31/2006

Thank you for all the support :-)

http://maltesen.wordpress.com

dansk donkey - 1/31/2006

fuck u with arla butter!!!!!

Flemming Kristensen - 1/31/2006

I'm more repulsed by the huge count of ignorant debaters trying to twist words and actual events. One like you!

Denmark is known as one of the most liberal and outspoken countries. Denmark and Holland are not afraid of discussing subjects, that other EU countries tries to avoid, purely on a basis of fear. As a result, an analysis in november showed 75% of all Swedes were skeptic towards muslims. Sweden, who claims to be the most progressive and liberal country.

I must say. So liberal that you can not find debatforums on their newspaper sites, cause that would make ordinary people heard.

Well, I can assure you not in Denmark. People are NOT judged on race, political or religious faith, but on common sense and the values they stand up for. Denmark is everything but the things you've said. As a result of the current events, moderate muslims are starting to raise their voice, instead of Imam's who's ideals are based on middleaged principles, oppression of women and disrespect of non believers.

I think it's good to end with a quote from one of the democrats we owe most and without whom, we wouldn't be able to debate today, Winston Churchill.

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last."

Lars - 1/31/2006

Tell that to the 11500 people who will lose their jobs....I don´t think they will agree. Moron

Jesper - 1/31/2006

Yes! Do like the icelandic companys and buy danish :)

water - 1/31/2006

It is your thoughts brother.. the cartoons were insulting your prophet at least you can stay calm if you don't think that boycotting is beneficial..

Peter from Denmark - 1/31/2006

To Bo..

Yes I agree that the problems of 2nd generation immigrants is partly because of social problems, like their parents being on welfare and therefore they don't have the same opportunities as families with more money. But it's not just a social problem in my view, it's also the differences in culture. And before someone screams racist... I'm most certainly not. I live in a area with lots of foreigners and I enjoy living here. But that doesn't mean I can't make an observation. The problems in their culture compared to ours is that women don't have the same rights as men; boys can do whatever they like, they don't have to do homework,, they can have danish girlfriends but girls can't have danish boyfriends, they have greater value than girls; the problematic foreigners prefer to live in isolated communities thereby creating a parallel society with no interaction with the rest of the population.

But how can we change this? I think we should clean up in those parallel societies and instead spread them over the country in nice communities, only 25% foreigners in a single community for instance. We should also have enough jobs for them and stop the prejudice in companies, so they can't just turn them down just because that person is called Hassan. The last thing should be a grand campaign of informing foreigners of their rights and tell them how it works in Denmark.

... I'll stop ranting now.

Patsy - 1/31/2006

Any idea how we can contact the newspaper and/or the Danish government to voice our support?

- 1/31/2006

In Denmark we do have laws about what you can't say, so it's not like we can say whatever we want. So if you claim someone is a thief, then you better have proof of your claim or risk going to trial if you're charged. It's another thing to state ones opinion, like saying someone is a jerk. That's a personal belief and that's allowed.

We also have a racism law and a blasphemy law, and if someone feels offended on their religion or ethnic origin, then they can take it to the courts. I consider this fair, and I certainly won't have some fundamentalists in the Middle East think they can come and change this... AT ALL!

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

It must be nice to be able to sweep away criticism as easily as that? Let us all just be yesmens that puts no questions up for fair discussion. Cause that is really what free speech is all about. Or? Jesus...

- 1/31/2006

Getting back to the topic... I laughed when I heard that the parlament of Bahrain wants an apology from the danish queen... it's just so silly! What in the world does she have to do with the cartoons published in Jyllands Posten?!

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

When JP posted the drawings, a text followed saying: 'all muslims should get used to being insulted in every way' Now JP excuses, saying 'we certainly did not hope this has offended anyone since this was never the idea'.

I'm puzzled.

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

You forget that 2nd generation immigrants can be victims of social problems, as well as all other danes.

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

I fully agree, and much danes miss out on this point walking around in their own self-sufficiency.

But do not mistake us for simple racist fools all of us. A battle is going on, and many danes are in favour of a multicultural society.

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

How about buying your coffee from Max Havelaar instead - that would generate money for someone who really neads it.

Isabella Ilsø - 1/31/2006

As a danish myself.. I want to say thank you, for your support.
To the danish people telling they're ashamed, I can't follow.
Why should the danish population be punished for things like this? I've in the last few days, seen the effect of this up close. New headlines comes in everyday, about threats and etc. An 11 year old girl is affraid to go to school because muslims give her threats... why? because she's a danish citizen!!

What makes them better than us, in this case? burning our flag, give us threats and boycott our products, because a case of fredom of speech. In the last few days, when I've been going to school, where a big part of my classmates are muslims, I have to hear of how stupid the danes are and how Denmark deserves to be teorrized. And since there's more muslims then danes in our school we can't say anything against it. All we can do is to learn back and take the threats and negative things. And all this makes me feel like a stranger and a outcast in my own country, they make me feel like they're better than us, that we're worth less.... for what?
And now I have to read that some danes are ashamed?
This is what the danes has to go through everyday, because of some drawings! It might not sound so bad, a few negative things... etc... but it's worse up close. what I go through in school everday in the moment is verbal terrorism.
And I'm tired of it, and just want this to be over.
There's no need to feel ashamed, because what they do to us, isn't better than what they think we have done!
I'm not sure, the artist of the drawings knows what he has done. He knows the muslims are angry. he knows they boycott. But does he know, what he does to the danish citizens of Denmark?
I don't feel ashamed because that's what they want ud to do. And that's what in the end, breaks us. We, the citizens of Denmark, has nothing to do with this. And therefore they shouldn't make us feel less worth.
Once again, thank you, for your support, I know it means a lot, to many of us...

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

This seems more and more ridiculous... Should we be allowed to do whatever we want in our own country, that's absurd.

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

My symphati lie with the arabs in much of the world's conflicts. In the Israel-Palestine conflict my symphati lies mainly with the Palestinians - this is not a conflict of religious likes and dislikes.

This is a twosided conflict involving freedom of speech and the tact to use it in a senseble way (which is not what Jyllands Posten have done)

Bo (danish) - 1/31/2006

Please see if you can find the time and funds to support some smaller danish brands instead of these large corporations that make billions already.

The Dane - 1/31/2006

Se them here. http://www.quickrob.com/political/muhammed_cartoons.html

matt g - 1/31/2006

This is a fascinating debate. I'm American and I support the Danes because they are a courageous people and their leader demonstrated that. I'm buying Danish

Secondly, I think it's unfair for people to criticise those who have respect for a symbol - such as the Danish flag. Symbolism is very important to many of us and I don't believe it's wrong to invest a nation's flag with the pride one has for one's nation. I find that those who are generally critical about someone's respect for their flag are generally those who find little about which to be proud.

Finally, I'm fascinated with the defensiveness of those who might have hinted at some sort of spirituality (eg: Christian). Are those who have faith considered that backward in Denmark? I think that's sad. One doesn't have to be proud of the church's history to love Jesus. As my Swedish grandfather used to tell me, "read the red" (the red type in the bible is what Jesus said. The rest is...dogma?)

Eagly - 1/31/2006

Eagly

Mackety - 1/31/2006

I will second that.
I too spent time in an israeli Kibbutz. In fact I was in a desert kibbutz right in the middle between The westbank and the gaza strip around the time when the situation down there blew up back in october 2000 and what amases me about this situation, that I find my own country Denmark in right now, is how very much it is similar to the situation of Israel in 2000. Being attacked and attacked by fascist forces, trying to stay descent while being called by the worst names possible. And then on top of all that, we apparently do not have the support of the western nations in our defence for the freedom of speech, that not only we are enjoying but all the peoples of the west. Understand that when you fail to defend Israels rights, the Islamofascists then think they can make the west bow to its will. That is what we see in Denmark now, and soon it will be your turn if you fail to defend Denmark the same way we failed to defend israel!

Baugur Group - 1/31/2006

I thougt Denmark was owned by icelandics now, so it should sound: By icelandic (made in Denmark)

Michael Thomsen - 1/31/2006

I couldn't care less if they're burning our flag - if it's the real one it made in Denmark anyway - so much for the boycot(!) - otherwise, it's not even a flag ;)

//michael

Nicolaj Kristensen - 1/31/2006

If I'm not mistaken, the Danish monarchy is the one who has the longest rule, but not the oldest. Danish monarchy is about 1100 years old, if you take Jellinge-stenene in to accord.

The oldest monarchy I recall as being the Persian monarchy, allthough it no longer exists it did stack up an impressive record of about 2500 years if I'm not misinformed.

If you meant the oldest still active monarchy, then you're right, it's the Danish monarchy :)
I do believe that her royal highness queen Margrethe the second of Denmark has done an excellent job, but I somehow wish I had been either old enough to serve her farther or young enough to serve her son - the two of them seem so alike, and going over history, we Danes are in for one of the best Kings we have ever had! :)

George - 1/31/2006

90% of all street muggings and violent attacks in Copenhagen are committed by gangs of young 2. generation immigrants.
70% of all rapes are committed by immigrants although they only make up 8-10% of the danish population.
30% of all murders are committed by immigrants.
80% of youths (age 15-25) charged with committing a violent crime is 2. gen. immigrants.
The drug market in Copenhagen is controlled by 2. gen. immigrants.
90% of all group rapes are committed by 2. gen. immigrants.
Etc etc.

These figures my friend...are facts!!!!!!! Besides...I've been spat at 4 times by 2. gen. immigrants. I've been mugged by 2. gen. immigrants and I've been called "a white N*****" on several occations....Am I racist or have I ever done anything to provoke such acts?! Nope!!! Twice a year I ring door bells to collect money for "Danish Refugee Help", lots of my friends are immigrants...and last year I worked with immigrant kids...teaching them danish...in my spare time!

Now what REALLY p****ses me of is, that 90% of all immigrants in Denmark are ordinary, kind and hard-working people, who's reputation is ruined by the remaining 10% who can best be described as sociopaths.
I have lots of muslim 2. gen. friends who are just as p***sed as I am. They all support expelling habitual criminals who does not have danish citizenship! Why in the flying spaghetti monsters name should we let 'em stay????

Denmark being a country of racists? ..pfff....Take a look at Sweden. Swedish newspapers have written a gazillion articles about how terrible politics DK have in regards to immigrants. Last year over 2000 racist attacks were reported in Sweden...In Denmark the figure was around 80. Problems does excist (Paris riots, Holland, Germany etc etc) and as far as I know the figures for crimes committed by immigrants in Sweden are comparable to those seen in Denmark. The difference is that while it's being considered politically incorrect addressing the issue, Denmark is doing something about the problem. Preventive actions are being taken (no more than 25 % immigrants in every class, housing projects, companies are being encouraged to employ immigrants etc etc), habitual criminals expelled etc etc....

Jan - 1/31/2006

This is most "saying" of the "free" arab press , I quote: "GOLF DAILY NEWS wishes...
DIRECTORS and staff of the
GDN extend their best wishes
to His Majesty King
Hamad, Prime Minister
Shaikh Khalifa bin Salman Al
Khalifa, Crown Prince and
BDF Commander-in-Chief
Shaikh Salman bin Hamad Al
Khalifa, the people of
Bahrain and the Islamic
world on the occasion of the
Islamic New Year, which officially
begins today. Today
has been declared a national
holiday and all government
ministries and establishments
will be closed."

They only write what they are allowed to, down there, don't they ?

Nicolaj Kristensen - 1/31/2006

Hahah - never thought of that twist :D

Still - the episode will take a few thousand years to evovle into a full scale war between Canada and Denmark ;D

Lise Munch - 1/31/2006

This is so incredibly cool!

The boycot has seriously hurt our economy, and since we're a small country it doesn't take a lot to shift it. Arla Foods loses 10 mil. crowns per day, and has to fire 100 Danish workers. So buy all the Danish you can! Esp. from Arla, that owns a few small dairy companies in the states. The boycot has caused us to start apologizing too much.

It is fantastic to see that you are willing to help us defend democracy. If this all works out, we can shop the fundamentalists that we will not succumb to their un-democratic ways of life. Go freedom! Buy danish!

Matt G - 1/31/2006

Carlsberg rocks, dude. I'll be drinking that for the Superbowl.

Matt - 1/31/2006

I support the Danes and will be, for example, switching my beer from Amstel Light to Carlsburg from this day fwd.

It's nice to know there's a country in Europe with the courage of their convictions.

Nicolaj Kristensen - 1/31/2006

Argh - Don't think US-people will fance an Elephant-beer ;)

(It's very strong as is best taken in, by shattering the bottle and eating the beer with a spoon :P)

Nicolaj Kristensen - 1/31/2006

http://www.solvangca.com/

A Danish "colony" in CA. They might be even better at informing people on which goods that are availiable in the US without having to import them yourselves :)

Gaijin Biker - 1/31/2006

Feel free to put this on your websites. It is a GIF that says "Buy Danish", with a Danish flag:

http://www.ridingsun.com/files/BuyDanishGif2.GIF

Nicolaj Kristensen - 1/31/2006

Just a quick inout concerning a Danish product:

"Hitman" - the videogame.

It's Danish made and you and/or your kids will love it :)

http://www.eidosinteractive.com/gss/legacy/hitman_contracts/

Steen J - 1/31/2006

Just wanted to say thanks to all the people supporting us danes now..

the Reaction in the middleeast is redicules, they complain about the drawings, while they are burning the danish flag, which also symbolise cristianity as well.. there is a reason that we have a cross in our flag..

I just dont know how to fell about the muslims right now..

Stef - 1/31/2006

It is there own home made flag. Not our flag. Get over it. They have NOT destroyed anything belonging to us.

Jan - 1/31/2006

I guess we're into the business of counterspy dissinformation!
Peaceloving danish countrymen, don't let yourself encourage by statements like this. A stupid man can require more answers, than ten wise men can answer.

- 1/31/2006

You said:
"It would have been a totally different story if a saudi channel did a show making fun of jesus , or a saudi newspaper publishing a caricature of jesus as a terrorist!"

As if I would ever care!!

Iversen - danish - 1/31/2006

I´m sincerely thankful for this great initiativ. It saved my day to hear and read that we have supporters of freedom and democracy around the world. Thank you!

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

"its about telling the rest of the world that we do not accept the pressure from the muslim world about what must be printet in Denmark"

Agreed

And again, thanks to all the US chaps out there, helping us out.

Dane - 1/31/2006

"Denmark is nazi country"...Jukka 10 years old.

Erik Andersen - 1/31/2006

Geez, I'm not pulling any Christian argument (I'm myself is 110 percent atheist). I'm just pointing out who they were insulting: the Danes, the Christian world etc.

Just to inform you, DF (Dansk Folkeparti / Danish Folkparty) is not an anti-Islamic party, nor is it a nationalistic party. People as you, just doesn't have the intelligence to figure that out. The flag burnings are not staged, it's reality, and the Muslims hate us none the less. They hate us so much, that they would burn every single non-Muslim Dane if they could ... now, that is NOT a staging!

That TV show you mention, where they claim that you are can find out your IQ by going through their test, is actually plain bullshit and brainwashing. Knowledge has nothing to do with intelligence. In their test, they had a knowledge section where you were to answer about some celebrities. The fact is, that you can still have an IQ at 150 or more, and still don’t know who Elvis is, or what John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln had in common. You had to be plain stupid to believe in that TV show. A real IQ test has nothing to do with knowledge.

The truth is, that the government could have done nothing ... no apology would be enough. The only real thing that would bring this to peace would be to change our constitution, and make it illegal to draw Mohammed the Prophet.

The economic loss for both the country and the sacked personnel in various Danish companies in the Muslim world is far more than what your brain is able to understand.

Jason2 - 1/31/2006

First of all... Life of brian, Bean or whatever shows that made fun of jesus, are done by christians (christian atheists are still christians).
It would have been a totally different story if a saudi channel did a show making fun of jesus , or a saudi newspaper publishing a caricature of jesus as a terrorist!

"You are free to do what you want , as long as its not on someone else's expense".
That means you have the right to call yourself an idiot, but you dont have the right to call others that !

If freedom of speech has no limits like you people claim, Then how come denying the holocaust in most European countries is considered a crime ?

Gaijin Biker - 1/31/2006

Hmmm... it didn't let me use HTML.

Here is the link to the banner ad:

http://www.ridingsun.com/files/BuyDanishGif2.GIF

Henrik Hornstrup - 1/31/2006

Yes no one have ever said it in any better way.

Erik Andersen - 1/31/2006

I'm not saying it should be illegal, but that I found it very insulting. Burning flags are actually indirectly attacks on the flags country, a kind of vandalism, and has not much to do with freedom of speech. If their angry with us, fine, let them curse us, but don't destroy anything physical. I'm not operating a double stander just because I'm being insulted, just like the Muslims are. I haven't said that it is acceptable to insult Muslims – so how can I be operating double standers? No, I'm not like the Muslims, I'm actually much different, most because I'm not religious. I believe in freedom for both men and women, children and adults, black and white (and yellow too, of course). So spare me for your unintelligence.

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

"Why apologize for having freedom of speech??"

Quoted just to make people read that again.

Jan - 1/31/2006

Only shows, how little they understands the true meaning of democracy !
We've got the oldest kingdom, I guess, in the world, but if we were to dislike it, we could - by means of a democratic election - be "a former Kingdom" !
Try that, with your King Feisal,or Hassan or whom ever you've got out there. You would be beheaded in a matter of seconds...
See, that is democracy!
And as stated in the previous posts, we don't need nobody to tell us what to think or to apologize for us!

Gaijin Biker - 1/31/2006

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Heidi Helleskov - 1/31/2006

Being a Dane I can only regret how this situation with the Muhammed drawings has escalated. Now the newspaper which first published the drawings has apologized and said that the intention wasn't to offend moslem citizens - I agree with that; we should not deliberately insult anyone.
However, the newspaper did not apologize for utilizing their freedom of speech - and this is the point! Freedom of speech is as sacred to us as Mohammed is to Moslems!!!
We cherish this right to an extend where we allow nazis to say that the persecution of jews during WW2 did not happen. And the extremist Moslem organization Hizb ut-Tahrir is allowed to say that they want to destroy democracy in Denmark and other even worse things.
But we will not stoop to Arab level. Thankfully there are many Arabs who are civilized, but as we have seen in the last couple of days there are also many whose intellectual capacity is somewhat limited and who can only react with violence and extremism.
We neither can nor will limit our freedom of speech.
It is encouraging to read and hear that many Americans support our effort to keep this right - thank you

Rasmus - 1/31/2006

Why are we racists? How do you know? What do you have to back up that statement? I can hear that you don't know a thing about denmark!

I personally don't know any racists, and I've lived here my entire life! There's a lot of debate about emigrants and refugees going on, and some (from both sides) tries to make that debate racist, but if you don't debate a problem you'll never get anywhere. Certainly not forward!

A lot of my closest friends are muslims and they can't recognize your description of denmark aswell...

I personally think that Jyllands-Posten were in the right, when they printed those pictures. It was not done to ridicule muslims, but as a bold statement to show how free speech really is.

Gaijin Biker - 1/31/2006

http://www.ridingsun.com/files/BuyDanishGif2.GIF

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

"I dont agree with what you are saying but I'll die defending your right to say it"
-Voltaire

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Now surely its not THAT hard to turn caps-lock off?

Now, I'm SURE your able to write more than that. So now, please, tell me exactly how Denmark suddenly became so racist? Who? Where?

Isn't it also a tad contradicting that your saying to boycot racists, and at the same time, labeling the entire danish nation as racists, and as such, has become a racist yourself?
...
You might think a little about that.

Henrik Hornstrup - 1/31/2006

For me this is not about buying danish, its about telling the rest of the world that we do not accept the pressure from the muslim world about what must be printet in Denmark

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Jason, you do realize your actually using freedom of speech to insult it... right? Please think stuff through before talking giberish. Then again, its your RIGHT to talk giberish, which is kinda the point here.
And yes, you can call my "mother a bitch" all you want, thats your right. Of course, I have the right to call yours one too. The point is you have the right to say it.

Without freedom of speech, its impossible to keep the people on a nation free, informed, and making sure a goverment cannot decieve them (or at least make it harder).

If you wish to go back and "vote for Stalin", one of the most horrible people in the world, I'm sorry, I really can't take what your saying very serious.

"I dont agree with what you are saying but I'll die defending your right to say it"
-Voltaire

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Jack, I find your comment highly insulting, and suggest you get the prime minister to apologize on your behalf and make a legislation so you can't say it ever again.
Also, please give me a flag to burn.

// sarcasm off

Rune - 1/31/2006

Dear Morten my fellow Dane
your comment on this page show how littel of the on going descution you understand
its is not a question if you like or diss like the drawings is simply a question about the right to print them (freedom of...)
if you had made an effordt to follow the disscution in our contry
you will find out
that some crime , social , and employment statistisk show
that we dont have the intergration we had hoped for.
is it wrong to diskuss our problems on the way to find an sollution.
I dont think so !
if thers been a growing concerne aboute islam then maby its because of severel murders , intorerants remarks
ect. from several persons and Muslim countries . I know this in no way represent the ordenary muslim
but its not a one side story
I hope that the ordenary muslim
could open up the discution about their Religion and the global modern world.
I my self will not give away my right to dissagre with others even in writing, drawings ect
But on the other hand I could hope that any human where abel to keep there disagrements to a civilised way. Insted it sems that some humans still isnt abel to comunicate on words.
And in that light I respekt and admirer the US. anti-boycut
on a personal note
"A BIG Thank you" to all who surport Denmark in this matter

Greatings Rune

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

This sounds like a great initiative! I hope you get some people!

Amazing how fast this has spread...

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

This was a matter of free speech from the beginning. The second they said they wanted an apology from the Danish Goverment, it became a matter of them (the imams and muslim's) trying to limit our right to freedom of speech.

"in your attempt to tell people that a right needs to be restrained, use the exact right that you are trying to restrain."

So true, and so often done its not even funny anymore.

Jan - 1/31/2006

We're many danish grassroot konsumers, that dislike ARLA, because of their "Steamroller" mentallity against smaller independant diaries; we've got so many independant producers of any trade you'd prefer...
But thanx for the support of freedom of speach !
By the way, have you heard about JYLLANDS POSTEN and several other webnewspapers i Denmark has been hacked by - who knows ?
This is outrageous...
I have heard about danish hackers, going on arab newsmedia, like Al Jasira (or what ever their name is) - and MUST say : "This is not the way, cause freedom of speech , goes both ways..."
Communication, my friends.
I respect you, you respect me ! (or else you pack your suitcase, by by!)
Anyway, thanx for your support...

Henrik Hornstrup - 1/31/2006

You are so right!

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Indeed, no one has been apologizing for the actual printing and making and publishing of the pictures. Jylands Posten has apologized for hurting people's feelings, and Fogh has said that he was sorry that they (the muslims) felt violated, but that he didn't have a say in the matter.

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

"Saying that Denmark have to change there laws"

No, saying that Denmark should start legislating and limiting free speech. Heck, its only a cornerstone in a democratic society...¨

That said, bringing the Queen into this is completely idiotic. First off, she has no political power. Second off, the goverment shouldn't be involved in this at all.

Rasmus - 1/31/2006

Thanks! Ofcourse there's many more like you! The western press just forgets to let us know, as well as the islamic press forgets to let muslims know that Denmark is not a country full of racists - It's probably one the least racist countries in Europe.

Now we just many more like you to speak up, and it'll all blow away! :)

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

You really thought that post through, huh?

Henrik Hornstrup - 1/31/2006

So true, and they allso want Denmark to guarantee it will never happen again!!! Saying that Denmark have to change there laws.

Henrik Hornstrup - 1/31/2006

In Denmark you have the right to say or write whatever you like, as long as there is no law against what you are saying. Thet means that offcause you can publish a caricature about the Holocaust.
And think about the great film "Life of Brian" one long funny caricature of Jesus, no problem in a democracy.
Or what about god old Dave Allen making a lot of fun with Jesus, no problem in a democracy. Or Mr. Bean? No problem in a democracy.

We all have to stand up for the Freedom of expression, giving up now is just sooo wrong.

Or as the The Prime Minister of Denmark, Fogh Rasmussen said:
“Freedom of expression is deeply ingrained in a society where democracy prevails.”

Jason2 - 1/31/2006

Since when did insulting someone considered as freedom of speech ?

You people dont know what you are talking about, You want to be all liberal and free but you dont know how , so you use someone else in a hopeless attempt to achieve that.

Id like to see you publish a caricature about the Holocaust , and then we'll see how your freedom of speech works!

P.S: If freedom of speech means that i can call your mother a B$#@H, Then ill go back in time and vote again for Stalin.

Knud Toft - 1/31/2006

According to the online version of the Bahrain newspaper www.gulf-daily-news.com a majority of MP's in Bahrain wants an apology from the danish queen, Queen Margrethe II

"An apology from the Danish daily newspaper Jyllands-Posten, which published the 12 cartoons last September, was too little, too late, said MPs. They said the apology should come from head of state Queen Margrethe and from the Danish government."

Now I wonder, why her majesty should do that. She has no political rights in Denmark and therefore can't do such a thing. That alone is up to the danish PM and he has, in my opinion, already done what he could, according to the danish laws.

Lars Andreasen - 1/31/2006

I must say that i was filled with joy when the danish papers today spoke of your campaign to buy danish.
You are true friends of free speech and freedom.

I hope that the muslims see that there are other things in life then religion.
And if you want respect and dialog you dont burn flags and threathen the lives of people who hasnt done anything wrong.

I hope your campaign is filled with succes.

Michael Overgård Madsen - 1/31/2006

As an ethnical danish citizen, i´d like to comment on the muslim outrage against the drawings of there prophet.

The muslim world, complain against the drawings because they, hurt there feelings ?, well what about ?the burning of the danish flag in Gaza, as a Christian i know that the white cross in our flag (Dannebrog), is an symbol of christianity so one could claim that the palestinian (No-"government"), should apologize to the worlds christian-society.

But what is this all about, i`ll say it loud and clearly - it`s the be-ginning of world war three or one might say the beginning of the War of Religion.

For far too many years, we have let fundamentalistic and radical muslims infiltrate our society`s, and giving them the room and space to, practice there systematic brainwash of illiterats and spreading false propaganda in the muslim world as an example i can refer to Imam Abu Bashar who works at the prison where i work, he has knowingly twisted the facts on his tour to the middleeast in fall 2005, where he have shown pictures or drawings of there prophet with a pigs snout and ears, but those pictures or drawings never occured on any danish media - so too all the free people with a mind of there own and society`s of the world, prepare yourselves for the war.

As a last comment, i`d like to thank all the muslim`s that practice Islam, in a way that don`t cloud there mind`s and prohibit them from thinking clearly.

Adrian - 1/31/2006

To Janus
>> The boycot now is well deserved but on false grounds.

How on earth can you say something is deserved when it is on false grounds as you admit yourself??

The drawings were stupid, but the conflict itself is based on lies and abuse.
If people were so insulted just because of the drawings, this would have happend in september and october...not now many months later.

The conflict is becasue some extreme mullas have stirred up shit, where quite a big part of it are directly lies.

Mikkel Pind - 1/31/2006

What Morten Bay fails to understand is the severity of recalling your ambassador. It is a big deal. Some of his arguments however are well based, some of the hype around is created by media, but it would be very wrong to classify this as "no big deal".

TObias - 1/31/2006

First of all thanks a lot for the support from all of you guys!!

You can buy t-shirts with the face of Muhammed here
www.spreadshirt.net

Pomerol - 1/31/2006

I also do not believe in supporting racists. As a dane I will never support any company that tries to stir up the public in relation to hatred and ignorance among its various etnical groups. I believe in the freedom of speech and that goes for you too. I believe in Denmark. I Believe in freedom. I believe in peace. I believe in you. Maybe you should start believing in me too ;-)

Mogens - 1/31/2006

Dear non-danes who read this. Janus "the peace-keeper" is at great example of how many young danes from the protected environments in colleges, universities and other safe havens in Denmark think.

These are young people who despite their young age, feel that they have swallowed the wisdom of the world. They have never experienced anything but support and protection from the danish society. Yet in order to fullfill their egocentric need for a mission in life, they turn against the very foundation that their freedom is build upon. Some would rather choose the side of Islamic extremism and supression, than to choose the side of their home nation. That´s what it has come to...

That is also why they so shamefully disrespects i.e. the american society for mostly all it stands for. You don´t want to waste your time explaining to them, that if it wasn´t for you americans, we danes would be speeking german today.

But belive me, we are many who are forever grateful for what you do, and have done for us.

Forgive the others, for they know not...

Aaangel - 1/31/2006

Personally I don't think it was a smart idea to publish those cartoons

But nevertheless this is the west and thus a country where freedom of speech is part of the constetution.
And I really didn't pay much attention to this issue, before I read that leaders of the muslim world was demanding that the newspaper and the artist be punished for their "crimes", the apology wasn't enough. And even worse, not to say even laughable, they want the EU to make a law that religous debate must be outlawed, so this doesn't happen again.
That is just not acceptable. But I guess when you don't have freedom of speech you can't see how a country that has it does work.

I find it kind of odd, that when you think about the fact, it was that exact human right a group of danish imams used when they took a trip around the middle east to promote the mohammed drawings, just before christmas (They are actually from september of last year, but nothing big happend until the trip). It really is having a double morale, when you in your attempt to tell people that a right needs to be restrained, use the exact right that you are trying to restrain.

Danish Woman - 1/31/2006

I think this debate has run off track now. I have now been called an infidel and racist and think this is time for my exit from here.

Anyway, many thanks to the U.S. for support. This debate only shows the need for clear lines between religion and government. And a respectfull tone while debating.

Kind regards.

- 1/31/2006

Actually Brian, Jyllands Posten didn't apoligize for the drawings, they apoligized for hurting the feelings of muslims. They still feel they did the right thing by releasing those drawings..

And yes, the Danish primeminister has NOT apoligized for the drawings as the OP claimed, he can't and shouldn't do that under any circumstance.

Jesper - 1/31/2006

A big thank you to all Americans. Your support is very much appreciated

Kim - Dane - 1/31/2006

'Dont throw with stones when you live in a glass house' is a widely known saying.

We made some cartoons... we make cartoons of all religions.

We havnt burned any flags.

The danish flag actually contains a cross... whats that the symbol of?
Christianity.
How many different flags has the fundamentalistic muslims been burning over the years? Is that being respectfull towards other peoples beliefs?

Is it being respectful to consider everybody who dont believe in Muhammed, but have other beliefs, as infidels?

I think the fundamental muslims have _lots_ of own house keeping to do before they start moralizing on others!

Brian Binnerup - 1/31/2006

That is incorrect - the Danish newspaper Jylland Posten apologized for the drawings

The Danish primeminister has not apologized for anything, but said that he PERSONALLY would not have done something that could have hurt other people feelings like that - he also said that he could not apologize for something that a danish newspaper prints because of the freedom of press in Denmark.

Regards,

Brian Binnerup

Jesper - 1/31/2006

A big thank you to all Americans. Your support is very much appreciated

sigga nolsoe - 1/31/2006

Please contakt TV AVISEN if you are a dane trying to make americans buy danish products. sin@dr.dk or call 35 20 45 81.

Stef - 1/31/2006

You wrote : "However, the fundamental cornerstones in democracy may never be broke dowm because of a few fundamentalists, who do not wish to adapt democracy in Denmark. But do wish to claim benefits, healthcare etc. and be a Danish citizen."
Are you talking abaout Johnny Hansen and his nazi-friends. They fit to your description"

Danish Woman - 1/31/2006

Just a note: the newspaper has not apologized for bringing the cartoons.

The apology was to the affended muslims since this was never intended. The printing of the cartoons was not apologized. And this is how it should be. Why apologize for having freedom of speech??

GRAVESEN MY ASS - 1/31/2006

BOYCOTT DANISH PRODUCTS!

DONT BUY PRODUCTS FROM RACISTS!

Jack - 1/31/2006

You are a fucking idiot.THe danes insulted Prophet Mohammed.If you actually bothered to do any research unlike us christians depicting a prophet in forbidden by Islam first of all.Also in their religion anyone who disrespects the religion on purpose and had full presence of mind is punished proportionally to the degree of disrespect. The punishment could even be death for someone who ,for example,burned down a mosque.DOnt talk shit about a topic you clearly know fuck all about.

Victor - 1/31/2006

The newspaper that printed the drawings, Jyllandsposten, AND the Danish primeminister has both apologized for the drawings. I guess your pathetic ham-eating form of protest didn't work.
It's over, nothing to see here folks...

Gilberto - 1/31/2006

Bullshit!!! Now it's time for the danes to use creative way of thinking :)

Casper - 1/31/2006

In dark times for our country, it's good to see, that we manage to stay focused and not give in to the Arab world's outragous lies of what went on in little Denmark.

It's obvious that some Arab countries found that this story could help prove to their country, that Western diplomacy and freedom of speech, is in no way something the people of the Arab world would want. Denmark is such a small country, and we pose no thread to them at all (think they forgot about humanitarian aid - both economical and by personel) and we're a perfect scapegoat for their propaganda.

In times like this - where no Arab media seems to listen to what is being said by danish politicians, international media or anyone else, but the islamic extremists - it's really great to see such initiative to support us.

Thanks a million, you guys. Oh, and Steelers will win on Super Sunday! ;-)

licensed - 1/31/2006

bUycott Danish products

Poul Petersen - 1/31/2006

This is no longer only about some cartoons in a Danish newspaper. It's about your and my freedom of speach.
The muslim world is trying to inflict censorship to the free press in Denmark. They are trying to silience the free world. Today it's about some cartoons in a Danish newspaper, tomorrow it will be about something else, in an other western country...

Denmark is a democracy, a small nation with only 5.5 million citicens. We have soldiers in both Afganistan and Iraq. Now they try to silence us by boykotting our product, burn our flag, and make death threads to our citicens aboard.

The newspaper "Jyllands-Posten" has made an apology, but our goverment will not apologise for what was shown in an independent newspaper. 80% of the Danish population support this point form our prime minister.

Support us - we need it. Today danish newspapers report that 11.200 jobs in Denmark are at stake.

Support us by buying danish made products.

By supporting the Danes in this, you show, that the free world will not subdue to censorship from the "Mullas" middeleast.

Thank you for your support....

Danish Woman - 1/31/2006

Why do you accuse Denmark for being turned to the far right? Where do you see this? The legislation in Denmark is trying to patch the many problems caused by cultural differencies, i.e. not understanding the democratic society in Denmark with freedom of speech. At the same time muslims use the same freedom of speech to critizise the Danish society for exactly that.
There is and allways will be problems in a society where several cultures have to live together. However, the fundamental cornerstones in democracy may never be broke dowm because of a few fundamentalists, who do not wish to adapt democracy in Denmark. But do wish to claim benefits, healthcare etc. and be a Danish citizen.

In my opinion there is much more to it that just saying, that the Danes are turning to far to the right. It is easy to say. The hard thing is to focus on the problems in society and figure a way to solve them.

Jan - 1/31/2006

Jukka, shame on you !
Let us Danes deal with prejudism and racism, in our democratic way; we don't need your gasolin on THEIR bonfire...

La suede - 1/31/2006

You are so right!

Danish Woman - 1/31/2006

No.

The paper has apologized for affending the muslims since this was never intended. But the paper will never apologize for having freedom of speech or having printed the cartoon. Be aware of the difference.

The prime minister has not apologized for anything... What could he ever apologize for in this matter? The paper is an independant paper and not subject to the prime ministers censorship or goodwill.

The case is definately not closed. The crisis is very sad, but the debate is important and neccessary in both Europe and Middleeast.

Danish - 1/31/2006

Hmm Yeah i would call it fighting.. Have you ever walked down central copenhagen after dark?? (Nørrebro)

WE are fighting and this is just the first battle...

Mike

Jan - 1/31/2006

I agree and I'm Danish to !
And proud of our democracy and freedom of mind !
And to the Immams and Mulahs living in Denmark: If you don't like the smell of Danish pastry or democracy, then you're free to leave ! Don't expect to visit somebody and then try to make you host an arab !

Kim - Dane - 1/31/2006

What a load of crap.
Generally danish people is in no way against muslims. Danish people are against muslims, katolics, protestants, jewes etc. who dont behave according to our laws, and who do not want to be an integrated part of our society.
Unfortunately the statitics currenly show that an unproportionally large percentage of the crimes made in Denmark is done by people of another ethnic background than danish.
We have a large population of middle east origin in Denmark. A large part of them have come to the country as refugees, often because they have different political views on things which is not accepted by their homecountry.
A small part of those muslims obviously do not like to be in Denmark, and are doing what they can to smear our nice country.
But remember, the largest part of the muslim population in Denmark live with danes, work with danes, have danish friends, speak danish without accent etc., defend denmark against attacks by participating in our defence forces etc.
The problem is not within Denmark. The problem is entirely in the fundamental thinking of people living in fundamental states.

Janus - 1/31/2006

Like the Muslim at interpretation the situation. The drawings the tip of the iceberg. Denmark is turning far right With the Danish People party, Denmark has gone through an tollerate public rasist debate. The boycot now is well deserved but on false grounds. The alliance with the US is also one of the motives. Peace does not come with segregation, despite the good intentions of americans. The only thing that help it to the the blindfolds of nationalism and ego pride and understand the whys and whos ( these qustions can easily be answerd : the Bush's!)

Janus - Dane
peace and conflict student Copenhagen

Mike - 1/31/2006

Thank you to all americans!! We need your support!! How can anyone talk against the freedom of speech? The danish goverment dont control the press And i thank GOD for that!!

Thank you friends!!

Mike

Freedomfighter - 1/31/2006

Thank you Mac!

God bless you.

-Oliver
Denmark

- 1/31/2006

You're very ignorant if you think every dane is a racist... go stand in a corner or something.

And if you don't like the immigration laws in Denmark, then mention specifically what you don't like about them (unless you are, as I suspect, ignorant), instead of spewing out baseless prejudice against a whole nation.

Jukka Paivoloinen - 1/31/2006

You are so wrong Dane! The picture people have of denmark today is not like you describe it. I lived in denmark from 1996 to 2005 and saw the changes....denmark today is not like the good old denmark as it was.

Morten B. F. - 1/31/2006

Hi, I'm Danish, and ashamed of beeing it. I find it absolutely repulsing, that you want to support Denmark the way you do. You don't know what you are dealing with. In Denmark for years now, a lot of people have encouraged to hatred against Islam and muslims. The drawings were just the ting to push it over the edge. The public debate in Denmark has been so prejustice and fulle of hatred, for so long, that a lot of pepole rather would like to see animals beeing treated well than muslims. So cut the crap, and start investegating things before you encourage a moot of hatred and violence.

Michael - 1/31/2006

Don't forget your online shopping as well. There's some great Danish software out there:

http://www.spamfighter.com
http://www.bitzipper.com
http://www.deltaspy.com
http://www.micro-sys.dk
http://www.fx.dk

jack - 1/31/2006

here is the man...
http://www.politiken.dk/images/06/01/31/0512161811449746_a30bb237.jpg

- 1/31/2006

It's not 100 million kr a day, that would equal around 36 billion kr a year which is totally not true. If all the muslim countries boycott Denmark, we will lose around 13 billion kr a year and around 11500 jobs. That would be unfortunate, but it's not a crisis. We're one of the richest countries in the world, so we'll cope just fine with this boycott and it's especially harmless if the americans and other countries buy more danish stuff.

Michael - 1/31/2006

The Danish newspaper Jyllands Posten has now apologised and the Danish PM has stated that he would never support such offensive drawings. So now all you right-wing fundementalists have to find another cause celebre to waffle on about. Good luck and good night.

A Dane - 1/31/2006

You don´t know what you talking about Jukka Paivoloinen.
As said many times before, Danes like all kinds of people, and the freedom of speech.
This is just an excuse for the Muslim world to kill more people.

Martin Henningsen - 1/31/2006

I don't know what to say, I am impressed to think that a small nation like my own (denmark) has caused all this, a boycott, buy danish campaign. It's great to see what kind of sympathy actions especially the one coming from the U.S... I really have no words to express the gratitude coming from all of us to all of you. But while this buy danish campaign is going on I will ask you to please send a kind thought to those 100 employers from Arla that are being laid off as I write this. they are some of the innocent victims of this boycott. Now that this is said I will try to come up with some ideas for you to buy even more danish. Thank you for you campaign my american friends.

Yours truly, danish citizen
Martin Henningsen

Rosendahl design - glass series, wine series etc.
Knorr foods
Jysk sengetøj - Bed linnen, pillows, beds, furniture etc.

At the moment I can't some up with much more, but i will be happy to comply with any request, bye for now :-)

Michael - 1/31/2006

Sorry if you feel like that.

Yes we have racists in our country, but the majority of danes are openminded.

I dont like the "danish people party" and the rest of the partys are as openminded as any other scandinavian country.

And I am sick and tired of being called a racist if you choose to critize anything not danish.....

Gitte Holm-Jensen - 1/31/2006

My dearest Morten, Please read you inserted comment again? Now, what is Christianity? Going to church every sunday? Would that make me a christian? Or is it living by the word of the bible? The churches were build in a time where christianity was power. hence big buildings!
What is democracy? Would our Prime minister be more democratic and doing his job if he told us what his personal preferences are. Honestly I couldn't give a damn our his personal opinion, but his rule of the country is what matters, and I like the way his has handled it! his voice is the voice of the country! i.e. politics.
"The economic loss of the boycot is greatly exaggerated in the media, so thanks for the support," You do not call 100 million Kr a day a loss? Nor peoples job a loss? Boy, you are a patriot!
Oh and by the way! Read the article about the churches duties! It may open your eyes to christianity.

Karsten Eriksen - 1/31/2006

I just want to thank you for supporting our democratic rigth tho show these silly drawings of Muhamed.
After all we are all allied in the figth against terror.

Jukka Paivoloinen - 1/31/2006

You can´t find any country in western europe that look as much like Hitlers Germany, as Denmark. People in Scandinavia is shamed over denmark and the danish people and their attitude against foreigners. Dansk Folkeparti is a modern nazist parti and denmark.

Lars Hørlyck Jensen - 1/31/2006

thanks very much United States!! this case is more than just drawings of an religous figure.. this is about our right to exercise the freedom of free speech which took us a hundred years to obtain. money and foreign markets will never force us to give up that right!! long live the worlds oldest kingdom!

Freedomfighter - 1/31/2006

"Serious misunderstandings in respect of some drawings of the Prophet Mohammed have led to much anger and, lately, also boycott of Danish goods in Muslim countries."

WHY ?
http://isaacschrodinger.typepad.com/isaacschrodinger/images/muhammed.jpg

Freedom is everything!

Lars Hørlyck Jensen - 1/31/2006

Danish Woman - 1/31/2006

Well said!

Danish Woman - 1/31/2006

It´s fantastic to read about your "buy Danish"-campain! For quite a while now we have had the feeling of standing all alone in this cartoon-issue so it´s great to feel your support! To have allies so to speak in the battle for freedom of speech. Once again: thank you from Copenhagen.

- 1/31/2006

I just wanted to correct you, when you say Fogh Rasmussen gave an apology to the arap world that's not true. He said that HE would never depict any religious sympol or person in a satirical way, whether it be Jesus, Muhammed or Buddha cause he respects religion too much to do that... but he never apoligized, which he cannot and will not do under any circumstance.

Henrik Moeller - 1/31/2006

I buy Israeli every time I get the chance. Ever since I stayed as a volunteer on kibbutz Mayaan Baruch in 1992, I have always seen Israel as a single light of civilization in the Middle Eastern darkness. The palestinian refugee problem is a tragedy, but I think it should have been taken care of in a more responsible way by the Arab states who partly caused it, by their attempt to crush the State of Israel in '48.

Erik Andersen - 1/31/2006

The Danish crisis is just as serious! Denmark is actually also in war, in case you haven’t noticed, both in Afghanistan and Iraq. Muslims are killing Americans and Israeli, but just as well Danes. We're in the exact same boat as America and Israel, most because we're sharing same opinions and thereby supporting them in their actions.

Joan - 1/31/2006

It is nice to hear that our little country isn't alone in this case .. So thanks to you all ..

Philip Zeplin - 1/31/2006

Being a Dane, I am offended and shocked at this reaction, and the direct action taken to try and take away freedom of speech, one of the most fundamental elements in a democracy.

I, and all Dane's I'm sure, thank you for your support! Please spread the word!

Peter from Denmark - 1/31/2006

Nah, you're totally exaggerating. First of all, the middle east isn't one of our main export markeds, so if all of the middle east and every muslim country boycotts Denmark it will still not affect our economy very much. So lighten up, we're not fighting for our lives. But it is most welcome that the americans want to help us.

Soeren Pedersen - 1/31/2006

Hi Lorraine

I totally agree (as do most Danes), way to sweet and sugary.

Michael - 1/31/2006

We all thank you very much for your support these days, as the muslim Overreacting in a way never seen before. Thanks

Michael Reuss - 1/31/2006

People here are shocked in disbelieve as to what we are experiencing these days. The drawings of Muhammed are innocent compared by all standards and fade entirely compared to the horrifying anti-Semitic sentiments we meet on a daily basis in Arabic media. Jyllands Posten published the drawings as a mean to test artist’s fear of touching on religious subjects – the uproar that the drawings have resulted in, justifies the experiment. If some drawings in a Danish newspaper are that repulsive, I really fail to understand why the religious leaders strive to spread the offence to the entire Muslim world. The idea seams to be: if it hurts you, bring on the pain to everyone.

Jimmy - 1/31/2006

Buy Danish, yehh sounds good.
But enyway your American show you support, would make us stronger.

Michael - 1/31/2006

12 cartoon drawings of the prophet Mohammes in a danish newspaper, made a whole muslim world go crazy - and now the muslims are boycotting denmark all over the muslim world.

It makes one wondering. Denmark has always been standing up for Islam and the muslims fight for at free Palestine. In fact PLO for many years had an office in Denmark, while most of the world condemmed them as terrorists.

Denmark has been and still are one of the great contributers of money and aid to the arab world - and yet we now can see rabiate muslims shouting 'death to Denmark and the danes' in the streets.

But we have freedom of speech in Denmark, and we will not give in for fundamentalistic pressure. The danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten and the danish primeminister Anders Fogh Rasmussen, have given the arab world an appologize for hurting their feelings, but emphezised the fact that the cartoons in no way is a violation of danish law.

Freedom of speech is important in Denmark. Therefor I (and the rest of Denmark)are very greatful for the support we now are getting from USA.

It is so important, that we in no way give in for fundamentalistic pressure. And we are willing to pay the prize. After all, the danish export to the arab world is only about 1% og the danis total danish export.

So thank you for your support USA - Your great contry has always been a close friend of ours and vice versa - and all though we sometimes differs in matters of opinion, we have one thing in commom - we are free people in a free world.

Once again thank you for your support.

martin - 1/31/2006

danich cheese i used for the topping..

thx for support

Thomas Rosenstand - 1/31/2006

Bless you all in the US! Let the free world win. I will sure remember to "buy American" whenever possible!

Morten Bay - 1/31/2006

Please. In a country where almost everyone are atheists and all churches are empty you pull the christian argument? Give me a break.

Have you ever wondered why there have only been footage of two flag burnings in four days, both of which only had a crowd of about 20-30 people, both of which most Danish TV news correspondents are calling "staged"? The first one only had a crowd of 10-15 people, and they even looked like they didn't know what they were doing. It's a far cry from the demonstrations we're used to seeing from the Middle East.

This is not such a big deal as people want it to be. Unless, of course, you live here in Denmark where all the politicians (left and right) are now spinning this to their own advantage in domestic politics - especially the government, who rely on the anti-muslim, nationalist party of Dansk Folkeparti for their votes. In a large survey made for a TV show recently - DF's voters turned out to be the people in Denmark with the lowest IQ - go figure.

The truth is that the government is playing a victim role here to their own advantage, rallying a lynch mob atmosphere in the public to secure their votes. It makes me sick.

I think the Danish government should have done what the Norwegian government did: Distance themselves from the drawings to begin with, and calling them what they are: Childish and distasteful.

No-one can take away Jyllands-Posten's right to print the drawings. It's in our constitution! Therefore, the government or the prime minister personally could easily have said "I don't like them, I think they're distasteful - but they have a right to print it". Instead, by clamming up, they have now used this "crisis" for their own internal politics.

The economic loss of the boycot is greatly exaggerated in the media, so thanks for the support, US friends, but it would be nice if you would also buy Danish stuff when there's not a so-called "crisis", simply because we make great products over here.

Kasper Andersen - 1/31/2006

I want to send my thank aswell.. We are to nations with strong bonds and it is good to know that we have friends in the U.S.A supporting us in this conflict. It is a strike against free speach all over the world.. god bless

Peter - 1/31/2006

If there are T-shirts available displaying 1 - or all - of the 12 drawings, I sure would like to by and one.

Søren - 1/31/2006

Danish beer for all ocasions. Thanks for the support, and cheers!
Elephants are best.

:-) Søren
see :
http://www.carlsberg.com/

Peter - 1/31/2006

A quick hello here from Denmark

It's great to see that there are people out here who support us.

Freedom of speech is an important cornerstone in Danish society that is now under heravy pressure from a large number of militant muslims.

Any support, like your campain, really means a lot!

Cheers!

Jes - 1/31/2006

Hey,

Thank you for supporting our country against this undemocratic behaviour.

Through this link you can find lots of danish recipes.

http://www.mindspring.com/~cborgnaes/

Best wishes
Jes

Jes - 1/31/2006

Hey,

If you want to support the Buy Danish campaign you can buy som nice stuff here

www.nordichouse.com/

The shop is located in Oakland, CA.

PS: Point to the Danish Flag (red and white)

Jes

Stef - 1/31/2006

If you want freedom of speech. You have to accept that some people are burning flags. I think You operate a double standard. If you take burning flags as an insult, you are just like the muslims. Don't speak our case..Please.

YankGirl - 1/31/2006

The Muslims probably gave Clinton a few comely "right-hand possessions" to screw in exchange for kissing their ass.

Sune Jensen - 1/31/2006

The Danish crisis is nothing. Look at Isreal and USA - they are at war. USA in Iraq and Afghanistan - so what ??? Dannebrog is the oldest flag in the world - from the crusades in Estonia

jim - 1/30/2006

at last! a viking nation to lead us!

well done sons of the sea, i shall download all the items i must buy, but damn i love your cheese!

my precious wife has untold dane porcelain disk and glass and statue and how dearly sweet it shines in american sunlight, like the light so gentle in the hand of a new born

the light of the men west it reminds you, calls you

we love ham, but dannish ham is the very very special treat, where can i get the hams my irish mother made me for easter? i cannot find them and must make due with local wire cut.

we need dak deli foods. everything sweet like candy, sour as sadness ,,, a life in a meal

i live on long island new york, sigh , and while we have deli they are all german im afraid,

tell me what stores to obtain these goods and know i can buy more than the rag heads, (need much dannish blue!)

please return by e-mail truly, really dannish recipes if u can.

i believe i see your fathers

james tweedy

Dane - 1/30/2006

Thank you so much! I think I'll drop by the Asian store down the street and buy some Singaporean food.

Erik Andersen - 1/30/2006

The most insulting thing is that they are burning our Danish flag (Dannebrog) in various Arabic countries. The cross in our flag is actually a Christian symbol - so they are actually also insulting all Christians on this planet ...

Here's a picture from Gaza in Palestine: http://www.dr.dk/NR/rdonlyres/98F8CB43-9C03-4E70-B405-863DB18AE0A1/199360/flag.jpg

I really hate people, when they are burning flags. I remember also how disgusted I was, when I saw they were burning an American flag after the terror attack at the World Trade Centres and Pentagon.

Please, I and the rest of the Danes are begging you to support us by buying Danish products and by telling as much people around you about this case.

Mr. Christensen - 1/30/2006

Hi Hassan

It is soo nice to hear this from someone from the Arab world. Sadly many danes are these days loosing belief that there exists moderate people in the Arab world, so its always nice to have our hope rebuilded.

Mr. Christensen - 1/30/2006

As the old danish saying goes (maybe a similar exists in english) : "in the time of need you will know your true friends".

Mr. Christensen - 1/30/2006

There has, as in all of Europe, been a campaign to boycutt Israeli goods here. I can only speak for myself, but whenever I am faced with the choise of goods from Israel or some Arab country (usually fruit, such as grape), I always go for the Israeli ones. But as in all democratic countries, oppinions are diverse, and I do not know how many actively boycutt Israeli goods, but I'm surely not one of them, in fact I favor them.

Martin Jensen (Denmark) - 1/30/2006

I want to thank everybody that supports us in this case. And I just want to let you know, that I would do the same for you guys. Friendly regards from Denmark, and God bless America!

Niclas - 1/30/2006

I just heard in the Danish news about your initiative. Thank you very much!

As a Dane it is quite frightening to witness the vile hatred, which has been stirred up against Denmark because of Jyllands Postens publication of 12 satirical cartoons.

I wonder how many of the thousands of Muslims, who accuse Denmark of racism and hold Danish companies hostage by supporting the boycott of Danish products, have actually seen the cartoons for themselves?

As for me - and for Danes in general - it is simply incomprehensible how these cartoons could possibly stir up such hatred.

The explanation I hold most likely is that they are reacting on hearsay, misunderstandings and blindly following the conspiracy theories which unfortunately seem to be very widespread in the Middle East.

And in this particular case it seems that a small group of fundamentalist Muslims living in Denmark (led by the association "Islamisk Trossamfund") have been fuelling the fire by making a tour through several countries in the middle east complaining of religious persecution and rampaging blasphemy supported by the Danish government - whilst sexing up the story by for instance adding some extra pictures - some of which really crude and offending like drawings depicting the prophet as a child molester or a sodomite. Drawings, which "Islamisk Trossamfund" had received from several anonymous senders, but which never had been printed – or, needless to say, ever would have been printed - in any Danish newspaper. After “Islamisk Trossamfund” visit to Egypt, suddenly there were false stories about Jyllands Posten being owned by the Danish government and the Danish government preparing a censored edition of the Koran….

Unfortunately many muslims seem to have taken the bait and reacted furiously, with the tacit or active support of their despotic regimes, who found a welcome possibility to act to as defenders of the faith and the dignity of the prophet.

Until today I had not seen the cartoons myself, so I wanted to find out what all the fuss was about. I failed to find them on any Danish website - including Jyllands Posten's home site from which they were removed long ago. Unfortunately it would seem that the threats and the blackmailing has worked insofar at all Danish media now seem to be afraid to publish them. It is all a very sad story, since the publication of the cartoons was a commentary to, and protest against, the alleged self-censorship by illustrators, which had made it impossible to find an illustrator who dared to make the drawings in a Danish children’s book by Kaare Bluitgen about Islam and the prophet. The newspaper thus asked 12 cartoonists to make a satirical drawing of the prophet. And probably the newspaper also thought it would increase the sales a bit - at least that is what two of the satirist thought. One chose to, instead of depicting Muhammad, depict the editor of Jyllands Posten with an orange in his turban (a Danish saying meaning you have come up with a good idea) - and on the orange is written "pr-stunt".

The other shows a man saying "I can't quite recognize him." during a witness-confrontation. The 7 persons in front of him seem to be Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad look-alikes, a Danish politician named Pia Kjærsgaard known for her anti-immigration opinions - and last but not least the editor of Jyllands Posten with a sign saying "Kaare pr - call for a special offer".

I just heard in the Danish news about your initiative. Thank you very much!

As a Dane it is quite frightening to witness the vile hatred, which has been stirred up against Denmark because of Jyllands Postens publication of 12 satirical cartoons.

I wonder how many of the thousands of Muslims, who accuse Denmark of racism and hold Danish companies hostage by supporting the boycott of Danish products, have actually seen the cartoons for themselves?

As for myself - and for Danes in general - it is simply incomprehensible how these cartoons could possibly stir up such hatred.

The explanation I hold most likely is that they are reacting after hearsay, misunderstandings and blindly following the conspiracy theories which unfortunately seem to be very widespread in the Middle East. And in this particular case it seems that a small group of fundamentalist Muslims living in Denmark (led by the association "Islamisk Trossamfund") have been fuelling the fire by making a tour through several countries in the middle east complaining of religious persecution and rampaging blasphemy supported by the Danish government - whilst sexing up the story by for instance adding some extra pictures - some of which were really crude and offending drawings depicting the prophet as a child molester and sodomite - which "Islamisk Trossamfund" had received from several anonymous senders, but which never had been printed - or ever would have been printed - in any Danish newspaper. And certainly not with any support from the Danish government, neither active nor tacit!

Unfortunately many Muslims seem to have taken the bait and reacted furiously, with the tacit or active support of their despotic regimes, who found a welcome possibility to act to act as defender of Islam and the dignity of the prophet.

Until today I had not seen the cartoons myself, so I wanted to find out what all the fuss was about. I failed to find them on any Danish website - including Jyllands Posten's home site from which they were removed long ago. Unfortunately it would seem that the threats and the blackmailing has worked insofar at all Danish media now seem to be afraid to publish them. It is all a very sad story, since the publication of the cartoons was a commentary to the alleged self-censorship by illustrators, which had made it impossible to find an illustrator who dared to make the drawings in a Danish children’s book by Kaare Bluitgen about Islam and the prophet. The newspaper thus asked 12 cartoonists to make a satirical drawing of the prophet. And probably the newspaper also thought it would increase the sales a bit - at least that is what two of the satirist thought: One of the drawings, instead of depicting Muhammad, they depicted the editor of Jyllands Posten, showing him with an orange in the turban (a Danish saying meaning you have come up with a good idea) - and on the orange is written "pr-stunt".

The other shows a man saying "I can't quite recognize him." during a witness-confrontation from a police investigation. The 7 persons in front of him seem to be Jesus, Buddha and Muhammad look-alikes - AND a Danish politician named Pia Kjærsgaard known for her anti-immigration opinions plus the editor of Jyllands Posten again saying "Kaare pr - call for an offer".

Now ask yourself: Is this racist hate speech, conjured with the sole purpose of hurting the feelings of a billion Muslims?

The most depressing thing about this sad story is that one satirist hit the spot: the one that depicts a cartoonist sitting in a dark room, sweating and being afraid of anyone seeing him drawing the prophet....

I am happy to see that many people - and it would seem that particularly mane live in the United States - are not intimidated by the Muslim rage and are intent on not allowing the fundamentalists decide what is allowed to say and draw in Denmark - or in the rest of the free world for that matter.

Jyllands Posten was finally forced to "apologize for insulting many Muslims", although they had no reason to do so -other than to do their part to try and end the unjustified rage and indiscriminate acts against Denmark, which dark, narrow-minded, manipulating and lying extremist forces had managed to unleash.

No Danish (or Norwegian or Swedish newspapers) to my knowledge longer dare to publish the cartoons, but I managed to find them on this Belgian newspaper. Go see them! They are actually quite funny - except the one depicting the prophet with a bomb with a lit fuse instead of a turban.
And do your part to distribute these cartoons to as many people as you can. The more these cartoons are distributed, the more people will understand that the Muslim rage is unjustified. Show the extremists that their threats are worthless, and the Muslims that they are barking up the wrong tree! They can't boycott the rest of the world....

Follow this link:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/698

But hurry! Who knows how long it will stay open?

Another Dane - 1/30/2006

Thank You, american friends, for reminding me who I owe my freedom to. We are literally fighting for our lives here!

kasper - 1/30/2006

hey Searching for US EMTs, i would like to get in touch with you or if you know someone.

Its about work

danishemt{@}gmail.com

kind regards

kasper

Robin Renitent - 1/30/2006

We support Denmark and we stand behind our friends and neighbours. For sure we buy danish products.

We started with our SOLIDARITY today, but we allways buy danish cookies, cheese and chocolade. Our heating system is made by Danfoss.

http://www.rebellog.com/text/blog/blog000.htm

http://www.rebellog.com/text/blog/979/979-13.htm

kasper - 1/30/2006

HI, here are a couple of danish shops in the bayarea.

Danish bakery
http://www.copenhagenbakery.com/

Danish bakery in:
Santa Clara:
2079 El Camino Real
Santa Clara, CA 95051
408 243 5443
http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&;tuid=10014455&ck=3793959295&tab=B2C&city=Palo+Alto&state=CA&country=us&slt=37.441898&sln=-122.141899&cs=4&stat=:pos:3:regular:regT:20:fbT:0

Scandinavian specialty food store in Oakland
http://www.nordichouse.com/

http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&;tuid=9786774&ck=834294325&tab=B2C&ycat=7766839&city=Mountain+View&state=CA&country=us&sl
German butcher, but got our special sauches "medisterpoelse" and danish pigrinhs

Heidis Deli, can buy our Darkbread and real chees
http://www.heidisdeli.com/

ScandinaviUS is a directory to celebrate Danish, Finnish, Icelandic, Norwegian & Swedish connections in the San Francisco Bay Area. For each country listed you will find links to San Francisco
http://www.scandinavius.com/commerce.htm

Northern Lights, 826 Santa Cruz Ave. , Menlo Park, CA 94025,Tel. 650.325.0313
Arts, crafts & collectibles, floedeboller(delicious cream coaded with dark chocolate), Candelights, Choolates, Books from scandinavian countries (denmark, sweden and norway)
http://yp.yahoo.com/py/ypMap.py?Pyt=Typ&;tuid=9783554&ck=4206076798&tab=B2C&city=Menlo+Park&state=CA&country=us&slt=37.453899&sln=-122.181099&cs=4&stat=:pos:0:regular:regT:1:fbT:0

ENJOY FRIENDS!

Ole L. Hansen - 1/30/2006

I buy Israeli when ever I have the chance and i support Isreal all the way

Ole L. Hansen - 1/30/2006

It should be noted that muslims from Denmark have ben traveling around the middle east to gain support against Denmark and showing drawings of the profet Muhammed portraited as a pig. These drawings is not from the danish newspaper so perhaps they are made by the muslims them self. Who knows.

A dane - 1/30/2006

I would like to tell the OP that it's so very silly to call every dane a racist, because one independent newspaper in Denmark showed some cartoons of muhammed. I'm a dane if you haven't already noticed that, and I don't approve of the cartoons showed in Jyllands-Posten. I think the newspaper should apoligize, but the Danish government can't and should NOT apoligize for what an INDEPENDENT newspaper did. And it's not up to the government to decide what a newspaper can't show, it's the courts and ONLY the courts who can. If one feels insulted because a newspaper showed pictures of muhammed, then one can file charges with violating the blasphemy law and then the COURTS will decide if this law was violated. This is how it works in Denmark... just accept it already! I mean, we accept most of your dictatorships because of your oil, now accept our democracies because we buy your oil!

jack - 1/30/2006

http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/

Dansk
Denne website viser permanent de 12 berømte danske tegninger af profeten Muhammed, der blev offentliggjort af Jyllands-Posten.

Francais
Ce site web montre en permanence les fameux 12 illustrations du prophète Muhammed, qui ont été publié par le journal Jyllands-Posten au Danemark.

Deutsch
Dieses website zeigt die berühmten zwölf Zeichnungen des Prophet Muhammed, das wurden veröffentlicht durch die dänische Zeitung Jyllands-
Posten.

Espanol
Este website demuestra los doce dibujos famosos del profeta Muhammed, de que fue publicado por el periódico danés Jyllands-Posten.

Italian
Questo website mostra le dodici illustrazioni famose del prophet Muhammed, quello è stato pubblicato dal giornale danese Jyllands-Posten.

Muhammed Drawing Webshop (In support of cartoonist)

http://www.spreadshirt.net/shop.php?sid=120266

kasper - 1/30/2006

Yes, its Danish.. just get your coffie from Gevalia

henrik - 1/30/2006

Hi Hassan

Thank you.

Most Danes are well aware that most muslems aren't total nutcases :)

Thx for the post, though :)

Kasper - 1/30/2006

And i love the US people, i have lived in US for a while, and found noting but kind and nice peoples.

We are friends and allied's

lets come togheter more

Mikkel Jensen - 1/30/2006

Thank you so much. I have just reading your article, and I´m so proud that you support us. Thank to you and USA.

I can´t express my thankness deaper than this.

Best regards and best wishes forewards from Mikkel

Henrik - 1/30/2006

Nope, us Danes are as a rule of thumb not racist.

We are well educated, higly tolerant of all kinds of weirdness and religion even though most of us have no religious belief.

But the one thing we do not like is intolerance.

And what we have seen in Danish media and public discussions and such during the last 4 months is an ongoing, hate- and spiteful, anti-Danish rhetoric from muslem leaders living in Denmark. They lie, exaggerate and spread hate against their new country, and are in every way intolerant.

So please, "Dil". Stop lying, OK?

Henrik, City of Odense, Denmark

kasper - 1/30/2006

I buy products from Israel, and not from the local muslim shop

Lasse Hillerøe Petersen - 1/30/2006

I don't buy anything from Israel, sorry. I don't buy anything from muslim countries either (not that they export much that I would want to buy anyway.)
I even boycot Arla! (I prefer to support their competition, and buy from smaller Danish dairies.)

I suppose I can quote W.C. Fields and make his words mine: I am free of all prejudice. I hate everyone equally.

-Lasse Hillerøe Petersen

kasper - 1/30/2006

yep. and if you live near SF, BayArea there are the scandinavian supermarket.. cant remember the name, but they have it all

jack - 1/30/2006

This letter is on there(JP)website:
Honourable Citizens of The Muslim World
Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten is a strong proponent of democracy and freedom of religion. The newspaper respects the right of any human being to practise his or her religion. Serious misunderstandings in respect of some drawings of the Prophet Mohammed have led to much anger and, lately, also boycott of Danish goods in Muslim countries.

Please allow me to correct these misunderstandings.
On 30 September last year, Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten published 12 different cartoonists' idea of what the Prophet Mohammed might have looked like. The initiative was taken as part of an ongoing public debate on freedom of expression, a freedom much cherished in Denmark.

In our opinion, the 12 drawings were sober. They were not intended to be offensive, nor were they at variance with Danish law, but they have indisputably offended many Muslims for which we apologize.

Since then a number of offensive drawings have circulated in The Middle East which have never been published in Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten and which we would never have published, had they been offered to us. We would have refused to publish them on the grounds that they violated our ethical code.

Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten attaches importance to upholding the highest ethical standards based upon the respect of our fundamental values. It is so much more deplorable, therefore, that these drawings were presented as if they had anything to do with Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten.

Maybe because of culturally based misunderstandings, the initiative to publish the 12 drawings has been interpreted as a campaign against Muslims in Denmark and the rest of the world.

I must categorically dismiss such an interpretation. Because of the very fact that we are strong proponents of the freedom of religion and because we respect the right of any human being to practise his or her religion, offending anybody on the grounds of their religious beliefs is unthinkable to us.

That this happened was, consequently, unintentional.

As a result of the debate that has been going on about the drawings, we have met with representatives of Danish Muslims, and these meetings were held in a positive and constructive spirit. We have also sought in other ways to initiate a fruitful dialogue with Danish Muslims.

It is the wish of Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten that various ethnic groups should live in peace and harmony with each other and that the debates and disagreements which will always exist in a dynamic society should do so in an atmosphere of mutual respect.

For that reason, Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten has published many articles describing the positive aspects of integration, for example in a special supplement entitled The Contributors. It portrayed a number of Muslims who have had success in Denmark. The supplement was rewarded by the EU Commission.

Morgenavisen Jyllands-Posten takes exception to symbolic acts suited to demonise specific nationalities, religions and ethnic groups.

Sincerely yours

Carsten Juste
Editor-in-Chief

Maggie45 - 1/30/2006

I will buy as many Danish products as I can afford. And I certainly agree with Mac's comments on Bill Clinton.

David Gillies - 1/30/2006

Here's a recipe for Macaroni Cheese Done Right. It has a cheese sauce that actually tastes of cheese, thanks to the inclusion of 100g of Danish Blue.

Janus Madsen (Danish) - 1/30/2006

There are other alternatives.

Toys; Lego
Shoes; Ecco
Hi-fi; B&O
Beer; Carlsberg and Tuborg
Medicin; Novozymes and Lundbeck
Deisgn; Georg Jensen, Royal Copenhagen, Stelton, Arne Jacobsen, Poul Henningsen, Holmegaard and Birger Christensen
Cosmetics; Ole Henriksen
Clothes; Hummel, Sand and Bruuns Bazar.
Food brands; Danish Crown, Tulip, Arla, Anthon Berg, Lurpak.
Electronics/Industries; OBH, Terma, Danfoss and Grundfoss.

This is just few of the brands there is. Besides that Greenland is a part of Denmark. So if its products from there its just as danish.

Regards...

Janus Madsen (Danish) - 1/30/2006

The thing is that the Imams inside Denmark are spredding lies about that the danes are planning mass-burn of the Coran in Copenhagen. They have lied on how many danish muslims who actually feel offended by the cartoons and even taken the wrong cartoons and made their own. Where Muhammad is shown with pig ears and noose.

First of all, the Boycutt will not do much for the danish economy. Denmark is one of the worlds richest countries. We have our own oil. And if we really want to we could boycutt the arab countries. I wonder for instance what Saudi Arabia would do when its a danish country who runs all their ports and transport most of their oil (www.maersk.com).

But we would not give away from our right to say, do or draw whatever we want. Its essential for Denmark and the Danes.

In my oppinion we should all wear the drawings and all with something danish in our hand. ;-)

Mac - 1/30/2006

Hang tough!

I wouldn't worry too much about what Bill Clinton says. He is a political huckster and says whatever will get him or his broomstick-riding wife the most air time. I would hope Rassumussen would simply look surprised and say "Bill who?"

Mac - 1/30/2006

All right - I've got my Gevalia coffee and I'm going to head right down to Danish Inspirations and buy everything in sight.

Keep speech free in Europe!

The Danes have friends in Texas and the Islamofacists have enemies...

Molo - 1/30/2006

Yes I am sorry. After looking at cartoons I have great laughs and now I am sure Muslim belief is not for me. I will as of tomorrow exchange my quaran with the bible.

Thank you for letting me know the true face of islam

David Foster - 1/30/2006

Arla is in a tough spot, but Mr Tuborgh's statement shows a lack of understanding of the whole idea of a free press.

I'll go buy Danish products, but will try to find stuff coming from a source other than Arla.

david - 1/30/2006

I agree, but you might want to keep this quote (from LGF) in deciding WHICH Danish products to buy:

"... Arla Food’s executive director urged the Danish government to take action. 'Freedom of expression is an internal Danish issue BUT this has a totally different dimension,' Peder Tuborgh said. 'This is about Denmark having offended millions of Muslims.'"

Quisling may have been Norwegian, but it sounds like Mr. Tuborgh is close to him geographically as well as morally.

ibn Sodom - 1/30/2006

Yes, please do go away...make this the last time you look at the Internet, because it has vile decadent western nudity and materialsm. The fault is not in the West, the fault is in you, that you cannot be satisfied to judge what is right for you, you want to set yourself up as an authority to judge for everyone else...you are a False Prophet, yourself.

Paperboy - 1/30/2006

Hi all.
I am a Danish National, i work for a large US company in Denmark. I just wanted to convey my thanks to you for your support, we really need it.

Everybody is turning on us now, Clinton has denounced the Danish paper and compared it to Antisemitisem.
For now the EU is behind us, but i doubt that they will stick with us.

Thanks for your support, we need it.

A greatful Dane.

Guy - 1/30/2006

sounds like a great idea to me. I'll do just that.

Rondi Adamson - 1/30/2006

Duly plugged over at my blog: http://wonkitties.blogspot.com

Moffa - 1/30/2006

I am outraged over EBay. They should not sell anything depicturing Mohammed, peace be with him:

http://cgi.ebay.com/FRAMED-SILK-PICTURE-PAINTING-MOHAMMED-PROPHET_W0QQitemZ7347439797QQcategoryZ20130QQssPageNameZWD1VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Yes, that is a picture of our prophet. That is the last time I will look at EBay.

goesh - 1/30/2006

I for one will go out of my way to buy Danish products just to spite muslims that think it is perfectly fine to oppress women yet are outraged over freedom of speech in a non-muslim nation. Women in saudi arabia for instance can't even drive or vote and they are getting bent out of shape over freedom of speech?

Brian B - 1/30/2006

And the post already mentions Tuborg. Good stuff.

Dil_420 - 1/30/2006

danish ppl r racist, I will for sure never buy danish!
and will pass this on!

Joel Rosenberg - 1/30/2006

Are we sure that Gevalia is Danish? It apparently started in Sweden, according to a reliable poster on my Livejournal.

Sherwood Baker - 1/30/2006

Hey Guys,

please don't worry, I have purchased 70 dollars worth of cheese on Saturday. I will continue to do it! The Islamic haters can go to that hot place! I support you and your freedom of speech!

ronnie schreiber - 1/30/2006

Another fine Danish audio company is Dynaudio, manufacturer of outstanding loudspeakers. They make what is arguably the best midrange driver in the world.
www.dynaudio.com

If you really want to offend the boycotters, you can put together a speaker system that uses drivers from Dynaudio of Denmark and Morel of Israel.

Anders - 1/30/2006

The drawings can be found at http://face-of-muhammed.blogspot.com/

C K Tan - 1/30/2006

...I will buy more Danish stuff (one of my fave is Tulip's Chopped Ham which goes very well with rice :-) and I will encourage my colleagues and family to do the same.

To the government and people Denmark, I hope your freedom of expression will not be silenced by these arab/muslim tyrants.

JohannaV - 1/30/2006

Thanks Hassan of Egypt! Your comment gives me hope of the Arab world.

Tank - 1/30/2006

Gee considering how quickly the LGF guys got their head around the whole anti-boycott concept for a country they generally couldn't care less about it's a wonder none of them are leading the charge to boycott Saudi Arabia which pains them every day of the week.

Is there one person here who thinks you will do something for the Danish economy that compares to what you do for the Saudi ?

Qwerty Uiop - 1/30/2006

In spite of attempts by the leftwing to get ordinary Danes to boycot Israeli products, they have failed in that endeavour.

Lorraine Paul - 1/30/2006

I was merely reading the comments and then found my name on the list!

Anyway, I know I'm probably swimming against the tide but I really dislike the danish butter biscuits. They are coated with sugar and too sweet! They are also the most dreaded of Christmas presents. When you receive one of these ubiquitous tins you know you mean less than nothing to the giver! It is the kiss of death to the relationship! Sowwy!

Lorraine Paul - 1/30/2006

hassan - 1/30/2006

I'm Egyptian and I support your BUY DANISH campaign. The stupid boycott attempts are not shared by all muslims. There are many more like me in the middle east.

Aaron - 1/29/2006

Don't forget buying Danish products also helps fund their armed forces, and in some small tiny insignificant way that could help keep those uppity Canadianers down. Hans Island is Danish!

Jagan - 1/29/2006

Apart from Non-vegetarian foodstuff from Denmark, I resolve to encourage all around me to buy the delicious Danish butter cookies for all festivalities henceforth as a mark of respect for Denmark's standing up to the Islamofacists.

This comes from India.

Kent Hopkins - 1/29/2006

Ye betcha...I see some DAK hams, cheese and such in my future.....

Thor - 1/29/2006

I and my wife visited Denmark last year and we were pleasantly suprised by the country and its friendly people. Go there and spend lots of money!

Kristina Logan - 1/29/2006

If you aren't in the habit of eating cheese for breakfast, try a cheese omelet (made with Danish cheese)-- very tasty! :-)

David Foster - 1/29/2006

It's a great idea, and I will be looking for Danish products on my next supermarket trip...however, I wish Arla Foods had managed to work a few words about freedom of speech into their press release. Understand that they're in a tough spot, but still..

vivi andersen - 1/29/2006

Thank You !

And I promise You : we will fight for our right to do as we want in our own country !

vivi andersen - 1/29/2006

We do buy products from Israel - and have don that for many years !

LeonidasOfSparta - 1/29/2006

I'm on my way to the market now-- to buy DANISH. And I will buy online too. GO DENMARK! (British Labour Salute and a raspberry to the thin-skinned, thick skulled, Islamofacist brigade.

steen - 1/29/2006

(Sure we buy Israeli goods - what would we bouy from the arab countries ? We have our own oil.)

Its no big deal - less than 10 % of our foreign trade, is with muslim countries (incl. Indonesia).

They are much more dependant on dansih proteines, machinery and medicin, than the other way around.

But thank ouy ayway, all my US friends - from Copenhagen

http://dansk-svensk.blogspot.com

Kathy K - 1/29/2006

Sorry about that - I'm so used to putting my URL in that I didn't notice it said "subject".

Any rate - I've linked this article, so my (two or three) readers will come to see what Danish things there are to buy.

Kathy K - 1/29/2006

White Clover Dairy - don't think we get that in my area. Holland farm sounds vaguely familiar, though. I'll keep an eye out for it.

I do drink beer - and I've switched to Tuborg for the duration (and I'm checking to be sure it's brewed in Denmark.)

George Murray - 1/29/2006

I am completely sympathetic witht the Danes and will buy Danish when possible but, someone might want to contact the Danes and tell them to buy Israeli...
Nu?

Björn - 1/29/2006

Watch the Super Bowl on your Bang & Olufsen television!

Great that you support a brave country.

Here are some links to Danish-American organisations etc.
http://www.euroamericans.net/danish.htm

Cheers
Björn
(Swede, though!)

- 1/29/2006

Mmm, eating my way to victory!!

Pat - 1/29/2006

Serve Danish beer at your Superbowl get together. Hey, ham and cheese sandwich sounds pretty good, too.

Ray - 1/29/2006

I like this idea in general, but Americans don't normally eat cheese for breakfast.

I'll have to check out some of those other foods listed, though.

Jimmy K - 1/28/2006

Give us some links to post on our blogs

Doug Macdonald - 1/28/2006

Great idea, Judith. And now I can drink Tuborg beer (such a hardship) and know I am also doing the right thing! I will pass this around.

Doug Macdonald

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