Who's Watching the Watchers?





Mr. Beinin is Professor of Middle East History at Stanford University and is named on the Campus Watch website. He is currently serving as President of the Middle East Studies Association (MESA)of North America, which does not necessarily endorse the views expressed here.

As the drumbeat for a preemptive war against Iraq grows louder, neo-conservative think tanks and their fellow travelers have deputized themselves to police what may be said about the Middle East. Through defamation and innuendo, they hope to undermine the legitimacy of those who question if a war with Iraq is prudent, necessary, and morally justified. Universities, which thrive on lively debate and diversity of opinion, have been especially targeted for supervision.

In March, former Secretary of Education and Drug Czar William Bennett, who poses as the Martha Stewart of public morality, launched Americans for Victory over Terrorism. AVOT, a project of Empower America, aims to "take to task those who blame America first and who do not understand - or who are unwilling to defend - our fundamental principles." On March 10 Bennett published a full page open letter as an ad in the New York Times describing the external and internal threats to the United States. The external threat comprises "radical Islamists and others." The internal threat consists of "those who are attempting to use this opportunity to promulgate their agenda of 'blame America first.'"

Who are those sinister internal enemies? According to AVOT they include former President Jimmy Carter because he criticized George Bush's "axis of evil" concept as "overly simplistic" and "counter-productive". Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Cleveland) makes the list for accusing President Bush of "canceling in effect the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eight Amendments" to the Constitution and calling the war on terrorism "the patriot games, the lying games, the war games of an unelected president." Others AVOT deems dangerous threats include Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D- Los Angeles), Robert Kuttner, editor of American Prospect, and Lewis Lapham, editor of Harper's Magazine.

Another effort to police dissent is focused on those who teach Middle East studies on college campuses. Middle East Forum, a think tank run by Daniel Pipes and supportive of the Israeli right wing, has established a Campus Watch website. After failing in his own pursuit of an academic career, Pipes has evidently decided to take revenge on the scholarly community that rejected him.

Campus Watch seeks to "monitor and gather information on professors who fan the flames of disinformation, incitement, and ignorance." Campus Watch does not care to ask whether scholars who study the Middle East might actually know something that would lead them to think that the world is not simply divided between the forces of good (us) and the forces of evil (them). Instead, it has compiled dossiers on professors and universities that do not meet its standard of uncritical support for the policies of George Bush and Ariel Sharon.

Campus Watch alleges that Middle East scholars "seem generally to dislike their own country and think even less of American allies abroad. They portray U.S. policy in an unfriendly light and disparage allies." Apparently Campus Watch is able to penetrate the psyches of scholars whose opinions it does not sanction. Some Americans - Thomas Jefferson, for example - naively believed that dissent and debate are an integral part of the democratic process and essential to the formation of educated citizens. Campus watch apparently believes this tedious process allows too much room for unapproved thinking to emerge.

Campus Watch notes that "Middle East studies in the United States has become the preserve of Middle Eastern Arabs, who have brought their views with them. Membership in the Middle East Studies Association (MESA), the main scholarly association, is now 50 percent of Middle Eastern origin." Some Americans have foolishly believed that all U.S. citizens have equal rights regardless of their country of origin and that pointing to peoples' country of origin to discredit them is a form of racism. This too, is outmoded thinking according to Campus Watch. But imagine the uproar that would be created by the suggestion that because Daniel Pipes is Jewish he may be more loyal to Israel than to the United States.

The activities of AVOT and Campus Watch recall the era of Senator Joseph McCarthy, when Hollywood actors and writers, trade union leaders, liberal politicians, and university faculty members were branded as un-American communist sympathizers. McCarthy and his followers succeeded in narrowing the range of American political debate and cultural expression and depriving many innocent people of their careers and livelihoods. Tenured faculty members do not generally risk losing their jobs. But graduate students and untenured faculty are likely to feel intimidated, especially if university administrations do not firmly resist pressures from the likes of Campus Watch.

The day before the Campus Watch web site went up, Harvard University President Lawrence Summers addressed a student convocation and equated criticism of Israeli policies with anti-Semitism. He was responding to a call by 600 Harvard and MIT faculty, staff, and students to divest university funds from companies that do business in Israel as a protest against Israel's continuing occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and East Jerusalem. Similar efforts have been launched at some forty campuses. Given Harvard's leading status in American academia, Summers's sloppy thinking and smear tactics are a very bad omen.

By contrast, the administration of the University of North Carolina fully supported the faculty members who organized a reading program proposed for all incoming freshmen. The new students were to read and discuss a translation and interpretation of the early verses of the Qur'an, Approaching the Qur'an: The Early Revelations by Haverford Professor Michael Sells. That decision was assailed by a Christian right group as a violation of separation of church and state. Daniel Pipes jumped on the bandwagon, assailing the university for obscuring the violent character of Islam. It became one of the first institutions featured on Campus Watch. Nonetheless, the reading and discussion program went forward.

These efforts to stifle public debate about U.S. Middle East policy and criticism of Israel are being promoted by a network of neo-conservative true believers with strong links to the Israeli far right. They are enthusiastic supporters of the Bush administration's hands off approach to Ariel Sharon's suppression of the Palestinian uprising and aggressive proponents of a preemptive U.S. strike against Iraq.

AVOT is funded primarily by Lawrence Kadish, chairman of the Republican Jewish Coalition. He has long tried to build links between the Republican Party and American Jews. AVOT's senior advisors include former CIA director James Woolsey and Reagan-era Pentagon official Frank Gaffney. Woolsey is also on the board of the Jewish Institute for National Security, an ultra-hawkish pro-Israel group, as were Vice President Dick Cheney, Under Secretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton, and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith before they assumed their current positions. Gaffney heads the Center for Security Policy, which is closely linked to the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA).

Richard Perle, another member of the JINSA board and one of the strongest proponents of a preemptive war against Iraq, is chair of the Defense Policy Board, which advises the Pentagon. Soon after the September 11 attacks the Defense Policy Board convened a two-day seminar. The consensus of those attending was that removing Saddam Hussein from power should be an objective in the U.S. war on terrorism despite the lack of any evidence linking Iraq to the attacks or to al-Qaeda.

The Defense Policy Board then sent James Woolsey to London to gather evidence linking Iraq to the terrorist attacks. He announced that a member of al-Qaeda met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague. Evidence that the meeting occurred or that it had anything to do with the September 11 attack is questionable.
On September 20 Perle, Gaffney, Bennett, and several other Defense Policy Board members sent an open letter to President Bush. "Even if evidence does not link Iraq directly to the [September 11] attack, any strategy aiming at the eradication of terrorism and its sponsors must include a determined effort to remove Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq," they wrote. "Failure to undertake such an effort will constitute an early and perhaps decisive surrender in the war on international terrorism."

The Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), the most influential pro-Israel think tank in Washington, is linked to both the Iraq war hawks and the attack on Middle East studies. Richard Perle is a member of WINEP's Board of Advisors as was Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, a leading advocate for a war on Iraq, before he joined the Bush administration. Daniel Pipes is a WINEP adjunct scholar. Last year WINEP published a lengthy screed by Martin Kramer, former director of the Dayan Center for Middle East Studies at Tel Aviv University, trashing the entire field of Middle East studies: Ivory Towers on Sand: The Failure of Middle East Studies in America. Campus Watch appears to be inspired by this book. Kramer edits the Middle East Forum's journal, Middle East Quarterly and is a WINEP visiting fellow. Although he is not directly involved in Campus Watch, he has issued a statement supporting its aims.

This cabal of jingoistic war mongers is trying to stifle public debate on the Middle East as our country is considering launching a preemptive attack on Iraq. Does that make them more patriotic than those who think that Israel must actually end its occupation of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and East Jerusalem, and not simply talk about the possibility of doing so? Are they more zealous defenders of our national security than those who believe that rushing into a war against Iraq without adequate reason could be a disaster for both the peoples of the United States and the Middle East?



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sam keller - 11/5/2003

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Knowing Hebrew is a joke, only valued by those ignorant of translation ... Yiddish is the equivalent of Ebonics
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It is my assertion that the first Church and Christians were Arabs
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Who has deceived would be Christians into vile hate against Arabs? What did Christ himself have to say about Arabs... at the bottom of this web page.
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They were first called Christians at Antioch.. and of course THEY were Arabs
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The Galatians were among the first Christians who existed at the time of Christ
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About 300 years before the first middle Europeans became Christians the Damascus Syria Christians / Church existed
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Egyptian Christians, How many years did Christ live in Egypt before returning to Israel
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The Ephesians Christians were Turks
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Why Muslims n Christians waste their time and how all can benefit. Contains some nasty language
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You think I just say all of this because I am an Arab? I guess I have to
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Genealogy of Joseph is given, not Christ
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Jesus King of the Jews? What did Christ say about that?
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Jesus descendant of David. That is not what Christ said.
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One of the apostles of Christ was a Canaanite?
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False Jew Intro
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Real 'Jews' comparing faces
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How could you hate a Jew, when they were not Jews in the first place?
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Where were the Israelites scattered. Anthropology and the flight of Refugees
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Faces of Euro frauds
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Racism against Jews, Oh yeah what race would that be?
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From Africa to America. Not evolution, mixed breeding.
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Scriptures proving some Israelites were white, in a pigs eye
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Europeans vs. Non Europeans
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How you know they couldn't be Israelites
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How many Arab / Negro faces did you see in WW2 films?
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The natives of Windover
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DNA proof of being an Israelite descendant, the Y Chromosome. The farce of proving one is a descendant of the Israelites by genetics.
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There are diseases exclusive to Jews proving they are descendants of the Israelites. What is a Jewish disease?
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Type written records, family tree data bases are a joke
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The chain can not be broken, not one broken link
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Western Europeans vs. Chinese
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Jews by mother, then Jews could not exist
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Jews by father, how many of your grandpas aren't grandpas at all
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Success of Jews prove they are descendants of Israelites.. giggle
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No one becomes a Jew through adoption
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Becoming a Jew through circumcision of the heart.. tee hee
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Spiritual, Grafted, Adoption, Messianic .. silly stuff about becoming a Jew
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Ruth the Moabite, never converted to Judaism nor was she allowed in the congregation
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Jews are descendants of Judah farce
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I am *PART Jewish. Who but an idiot says or believes such stupid things. They can't be part Jew and they are not the descendants of the Israelites
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European cult playing Israelites
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The false Jew cult tells us the Israelite descendant descendants just started mixing in the last century. The cult exposed by their own scriptures.
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The cult calling themselves Jews are only a racist cult of Europeans who are descendants of the Babelites
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What is the difference between 'Jews' and / Christian Identity
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Breeding is like spreading VD
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Goofy Tracks his family tree
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You can track all Israelites to their roots in the scriptures. All of them were descendants of the native Arabs of the middle east. Here is a comparison.
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Jews of Yemen are not the ancestors of these pretend Jews of Europe
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No such things as Ethiopian Jews exist
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Everyone who pretends to follow Judaism is the anti christs
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By the scriptures, anthropology, archeology what we can prove. If you have had an anthropology class in college, read this think about it then sit back and giggle.
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SUCKING UP TO HITLER'S NEPHEW n the Inspector general
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Israelites were a pot luck of Arabs and a pinch of Africans
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Egyptian vs. pretend Jews
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How Arabs n Africans migrated to Europe and fell into a bucket of white paint
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Jews n Arabs are cousins ... NOT
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BABELITES VS MIDDLE EAST NATIVES
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KHAZARS N SEPHARDIC JEWS, not descendants of the Israelites, just European converts
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Family trees - How many grandparents have you had
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Those who call themselves Jews are like the little mongrel who thought he was a great Dane
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Anthropology study of the Bounty that proves the cult of pretend Jews are brainwashed Lemmings or liars
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Anthropology pattern of families
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Blonds were not native to China or any place on earth except Europe
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Anthropology study of sculls to reconstruct the faces of people proves the cult of Europeans are not the descendants of the Israelites. If you have had an anthropology course, check this one out
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Me an European vs. Arab. All Israelites were a mix of the people of the middle east so what is wrong with this picture of those calling themselves Jews?
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MOUSEKETEERS n JEWS, Israelites and Jews were NOT the same thing.
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Family trees shared heritage. The bald face lies you can expose in the cult of false Jews. Simply see if you can get them to reply to these questions in a public form.
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Why you can't tell a 'Jew' from other Europeans
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Anne Franke n family, a pot luck of Europeans
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The Nazis couldn't catch 'Jews' with forged papers, because they were Europeans, not natives of the middle east.
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If you are Christ then you are Abraham's seed Galat 3-28. That excludes everyone who professes to follow Judaism.
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If you work with figures and have a logical mind, calculate the number of Israelites that exist and what their population rate was.
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Aryans not white, Europeans not Aryans. The ancestors of the Iranians / Gypsies hung out with the Israelites and bred with them.
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Living in Europe .. breeding with Europeans does not mutate all descendants of the middle east into white face Europeans
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Gypsies from the middle east and "Jews" who are supposed to be from the middle east.. why the "Jews" all look like the rest of the Europeans?
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Being a small % of the population and 2000 years does not turn all your descendants into milk face Europeans
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Ever look at all the "Jews" in the Nazi prison camps.. especially when they are naked.. all have the colors of Casper the ghost.
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Being brown or black does not mean your ancestors were Israelites BUT if all of your family members, generation after generation look like the rest of the Europeans, your ancestors are not from outside of Europe
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Family pick the 'Jews' out from the rest of the Europeans and the Arabs
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How Arabs and Africans migrated into Europe, fell into a flower barrel and all came out white Anglo Saxons
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Anti Semite farce
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Isaac was a Canaanite, Moses was an Egyptian. Nationality defined .
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The flood was world wide. E every living person is from Noah's sons
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Abraham, Isaac and everyone on earth until Jacob had his first son, was a gentile. God too is a gentile !
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The Israelites were a composite of Canaanites
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Most Hebrews were non Israelite
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Chaldeans ancestors of today's Iraqis and Abraham
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Asher son of Israel
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The multitude of the descendants of the Israelites are the Arabs. Today I suppose most descendants of the Israelites are Muslims who have lost track of their heritage of the Israelites
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Hagar the real Cinderella story
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Ishmael father of Arabs. Ishmael was only the father of the Ishmaelites. A multitude of Israelites too were descendants of Ishmael
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Ammon / Ammoites
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Jordanians or Moabites ancestors of the Israelites
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Philistines ancestors of the Israelites
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Concubines another reason Israelites are descendants of Arabs
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Midianites were the breeding stock of Arab wives of the Israelites
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Levites, priest and Moses, just descendants of Arabs
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Tribe of Judah a pot of Arabs
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Samson & The tribe of Dan
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Joseph coat of many colors .. Egyptian descendants
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Benjamites a pot of Arabs
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32,000 SAUDI MOTHERS OF THE ISRAELITES IN 1440 BC
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Amalekites and Edomites are the descendants of Isaac and Abraham
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Adultery you can't tell who the father of any Israelite or other Arab is
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The tribe of Simeon out of the womb of a Canaanite mother
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Tribal membership, liars and loop holes
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Arabs are the Seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob
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What is an Israelite... musical bs
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Where is Arabia and what is an Arab? Why do they need to use musical definitions?
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Who were the Arabs of the 'Arab Israeli war'
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Jephthah (mighty Israelite fighter) descendent of Chaldeans / Iraqis
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Ibzan Judge of Israel who sent his 30 daughters packing and imports 30 Arab spouses
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Pirathonite, sect of the Amalekites who lived in the city of Pirathon.
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Jabeshgileadites Arab families murdered so the Benjamites could take daughters
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Shiloh Dancing girls kidnapped for wives
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King David, from a pot luck of Arabs
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AHIMELECH, Hittite priest of the Israelites
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Zionist nor Zionism is in the scriptures. There is no such thing except a cult of Europeans who make fools out of ignorant Christians.
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Solomon, Moabite, Hittite to Ammonite
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Naamah an Ammonitess Mother n grandmother of Israelite kings
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Gilead and the Gileadites, came from a pot luck of Arabs
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The pattern of the flight of refugees. Most descendants of the Israelites are probably Muslims who have lost their identity IF the bible is true.
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Josy Thalman - 10/4/2003

Biblycally speaking God gave the 'Judean"-JEWS who are of Israel proper this Land. - But since Isr. is not gathered yet, false Jews (80% Ashkenazim - whos ancestors converted to the Jewish faith back in 740 AD, called then (Japhetic) Huns, who comprised of seven tribes, the 6th the Khazars now Askenazim - have usurped and pretend to be the inheritors.
But In Ex.12:48-49 God made a concession that "foreigners"who wish to adapt to Jewish law and live within it's borders - should be welcomed.
Again since the whole Isr./Jewish polity ceased IN the land and scattered,---the assumed return of the 'Jews' in 1948 and prior
is NOT yet the prophesied return of the tribes, incl. the true Jews. Hardly anyone knows who the true Jews are but maybe they themselves.
The Palestinian who lived there for centuries now should have a right to share the space with the anyway false/Zionist Jews, but as mankind is, wrongly informed and fanatical at times - and certainly the Palestinian are neither without fault,... it won't
work until the Lord Jesus Christ returns for ALL to see. Josy


Ammar - 4/17/2003

Mr. Beinin, thank you for your comments regarding the current state of McCarthism against academicians who speak from knowledge of history and not for political motives. Good luck.


Freda Saul - 3/6/2003

He isn't. He wants Israel to commit suicide. He hates Israel, and wants it gone.


RustyShackleford - 1/8/2003

Haha yeah exactly plus Beinin seems to miss the fact that Pipes' academic credentials are far superior to his and he lectures at the University of Pennsylvania - hardly a school that hires 'failed" academics.


Dustin Stein - 1/8/2003

A rather interesting article from Beinin on free speech. The university he teaches at just disinvited Daniel Pipes to come and present. Is Beinin scared of being embarrassed in front of his acolytes? Is he simply obstructing free speech? I am not really sure, but I do know that Pipes waives his speaking fee to come to Stanford and he was still rebuked. I wonder who is stifling free speech?


Mike Nargizian - 10/12/2002

A recent study found 85% of Ivy Professors classify themselves as liberal or democrats while 5% classified themselves as conservatives. That doesn't even begin to tabulate the fact that most (Not documented yet) MEast professors are along the lines of Edward Said, Khalidi, Chomsky etc..

On an issue as debatable as this, why are almost all professors along 1 LINE? The fact that a Pipes or Kramer or someone of their ilk has a hard time getting hired let alone getting a Department Chair is RIDICULOUS!! Clarence Thomas stands a better chance of getting Edward Kennedy's Yay vote.

COLLEGES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE MULTITHEISM and expose people to a broad range of opinions and viewpoints. THAT THESE LEFTISTS AND THEIR MONOPOLY OF HATE AMERICA, HATE ISRAEL, EVERYTHING IS WESTERN IMPERIALISM, etc.. and ISLAMIC Terrorism is just a fantasy - IS NOW BEING EXPOSED IS LOooooong overdue.

Whatever it takes to break the monopoly I say. They are not going to tomorrow institute an Affirmative Action to even out the Professorship so parents and America should know what they are "brainwashing" into their students for $30,000/yr WITHOUT ANY CHALLENGE OR DEBATE ON CAMPUSE.

Their BS accusations of McCarthyism - when that's exactly what they are practice a smothering Dictatorship on ideology, WILL NOT FLY post 9/11. PEOPLE ARE NOW PAYING ATTENTION.

Much thanks to Daniel Pipes whom they go out of their way to insult and belittle. SO WHO'S SMOTHERING THE DEBATE AGAIN??

Mike Nargizian


Orson Olson - 10/7/2002

Yeah, Lloyd. I'm OUTRAGED. After Iraq...
(I know goes the thinking, but I think Ralph
Peters has the better bet--work on Islam's
periphery first).

--Orson


Mike Nargizian - 10/6/2002

Subject: reaction to Beinin article
Posted By: Murray A. Rubinstein
Date Posted: October 3, 2002, 1:55 PM
As an American jew with close ties to family in israel--family that helped build the state since it was the Palestinian mandate--and as an academician who teaches in a hightly diverse urban East Coast college and attempts to be "objective," I feel torn. I belive in debate and in freedom of speach but also have seen the ugly spectre of anti-semitism at close hand even in "liberal New York. And I do want Israel to survive but not as an imperialistic state that recreates an Ancient Israel at all costs. Israel was a social experiment that has been hijacked by the ultra religious extremists whom Sharon courts. If we need to the devil here is name is Sharon. Ararfat is at best a bungling and inept demon.


That "Inept Demon" is not so inept when it comes to doing what he does best, terrorize and play the pity welfare queen, and don't forget steal billions and manipulate. Arafat with the help of the real DEMONS the Saudis and Iranian Mullahs refused the Camp David and Taba offers. They are the real MENIACHAL DEVILS pulling the strings.

My friend is Israeli and the left of the left!! and he hates Sharon but says until the Arabs accept Israel and the Terrorism from all groups including the PA, Fatah, Al Asqu thugs, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PFLP, HEZBULLA, AL QUEDA are defeated it doesn't matter WHO THE HELL IS THE LEADER OF ISRAEL.

You'd think listening to the leftist media that Sharon's been the leader for years and years. ITS ALSO FACT THAT THE INTIFADA WAS:

1) Not Spontaneous, but set in motion right after Camp David and there is mounting proof even months before that.

2) It didn't start due to Sharon walking on the Mount or did you hear in a Church or in the Mosque whatever story it is today?? Barghouti even said he cleared it with them first and they just used it as the firing off point.

3) Arafat's own people wanted him to take the White House deal in January of 2001 and couldn't believe he turned it down. See Dennis Ross's interviews and statements.

THUS, NOW WE HEAR EVERYTHING IS SHARON'S FAULT AND THAT EITHER ARAFAT'S ONLY A BUNGLING DEMON OR "NOT THAT BAD"

Funny, he was able to pull of the Munich Olympics in 72, the Achille Lauro, Airplane Hijackings........
A "BUNGLING" DEMON huh????????

Mike


Mike Nargizian - 10/6/2002

Subject: RE: Pipes and fascism
Posted By: Zack Morris
Date Posted: October 5, 2002, 4:22 PM
I too support Campus Watch! I can see that fascism is alive and well in America, and I encourage them to keep up the good work! Before too long we will not have any freedoms left. Academia is arguably one of the few places that still has some semblance of freedom of expression and critical thought, though through the fine work of Pipes an others, we will finally put an end to such unnecessary evils. Thanks to their efforts, group thought and ignorance will prevail. Stalin, Mussolini, and Ashcroft applaud their fine work. Operation TIPS will spy on the average American in the street and Campus watch will spy on college professors. This however, is simply not enough; we need to also spy on the American family from the inside. I propose that we begin recruiting kids from summer camps across the country, and they can supply complete intelligence dossiers to Pipes and Ashcroft. We will call them “ Youth for right-wing fascist America.”


First A LOT of Conservatives don't support Ashcroft's program, Cal Thomas, George Will, Joseph Farah to name but a few.

Second, with all due respect the problem at colleges however, is that they are TOTALLY DOMINATED by a far leftist "School of thought" regarding all issues, domestic and foreign policy. Colleges should be rounding not monotheistic!

For example, regarding issues like Abortion, Affirmative Action and a few others I am toward the liberal side. However, I don't demonize the opposite view and there ARE GOOD POINTS to the other side. if you don't think so then you're just pushing an agenda and not thinking.

I was always taught or picked up through the media and college that the Republicans that were just Pro Business and were so because they were all the evil top hats. I was also brainwashed that Jesses Jackson was a Good Guy, in the image of MLK. THAT'S CALLED ONE SIDED BRAINWASHING. MY EYES OPENED UP A LOT ABOUT MANY DIFFERENT THINGS. Fiscal policy and theories on taxation make sense. You can't just say that higher taxes are good for the country. You can't just say we need universal Health Care. There are complicated issues to deal with and think through. However, if only hear one side how the hell would you know????

YOU CAN SCREAM Fascism till your blue in the face but here is a FACT:
85% OF COLLEGE PROFESSORS at IVY LEAGUES in a recent study stated they considered themselves LEFTISTS and 5% considered themselves Conservatives. If you don't think that creates a climate of One Sides Agenda Brainwashing you're being Closed Minded! With those odds if you don't think you have to tow certain left wing lines to get tenure or get hired or get Department Chairs etc.. YOU'RE NUTS!!

It has to change and post 9/11 the difference is not fascism but the fact that now people in this country are paying attention to the fact they're paying 30,000/yr for their kids to be indoctrinated not educated. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE!!

Was it fascism to make a Biased Program called AFFIRMATIVE ACTION?? IS IT FASCISM THAT A PRO LIFE JUDGE CAN NOT GET APPOINTED TO THE BENCH?? I am Pro Choice but its still Fascism any way you cut it. Its not they are Nazis or KKK they have a viewpoint that has rational to it.

The Monopoly Pipes is going against does not being challenged or exposed regardless of his methods. Pipes is a hard line right winger I'll admit. However, he's also brilliant and knowledgeable and has point of view that deserves a voice, as well as Bernard Lewis, Gingrich, Weinberger etc... etc.. Does Pipes have an understanding of the Middle East?? Are his positions on it valid or not?? Can you be sure?? Unless you listen to his perspective you can't make an educated decision or siphen out the valid points you may agree with to form a more rounded overall perspective.

THAT'S WHY THE MONOPOLY HAS TO BE BROKEN. BLACKS NOT BEING ABLE TO VOTE IN JIM CROW SOUTH WAS BULL AND THE FAR LEFT SITUATION AT MOST SCHOOLS IS BULL. If this is the only way to break the Monopoly FOR NOW then so be it.

Mike Nargizian

IF YOU DISAGREE WITHOUT BEING HYPERBOLIC LET ME KNOW.


Zack Morris - 10/5/2002

I too support Campus Watch! I can see that fascism is alive and well in America, and I encourage them to keep up the good work! Before too long we will not have any freedoms left. Academia is arguably one of the few places that still has some semblance of freedom of expression and critical thought, though through the fine work of Pipes an others, we will finally put an end to such unnecessary evils. Thanks to their efforts, group thought and ignorance will prevail. Stalin, Mussolini, and Ashcroft applaud their fine work. Operation TIPS will spy on the average American in the street and Campus watch will spy on college professors. This however, is simply not enough; we need to also spy on the American family from the inside. I propose that we begin recruiting kids from summer camps across the country, and they can supply complete intelligence dossiers to Pipes and Ashcroft. We will call them “ Youth for right-wing fascist America.”


jess lewis - 10/5/2002

God ,Dear God , when will mankind realise the imporntance of Brotherhood . (Bliss & Blessing's )


Mike Nargizian - 10/5/2002

Subject: RE: Free Speech is Not Censorship
Posted By: AlexK
Date Posted: October 5, 2002, 2:10 AM
Mike Nargizian: Your name indicates you have an Armenian background. Are you aware that your heroes Bernard Lewis and Daniel Pipes have said things about the Armenian genocide which Armenian scholars regard as apologism for Turkey? Bernard Lewis was even convicted in French court for the "denial of the Armenian genocide" and fined one franc. Lewis has strenuously denied that the Armenians were the victims of a deliberate extermination campaign by the Turks and has also argued that the Armenians cannot be called innocent victims in the events of 1915. Daniel Pipes has favourably reviewed a book by Justin McCarthy called "Death and Exile", one of whose arguments is that the Armenian genocide was actually a mutual war of extermination between Turks and Armenians with Turks suffering just as much as the Armenians.


You're correct about the name. They're not the only ones who have stated that. Many scholars have stated that they think the circumstances were not what once thought. I'm not sure myself but I doubt Lewis has it in for the Armenians or just likes the Turks.

Mike


AlexK - 10/5/2002

Mike Nargizian: Your name indicates you have an Armenian background. Are you aware that your heroes Bernard Lewis and Daniel Pipes have said things about the Armenian genocide which Armenian scholars regard as apologism for Turkey? Bernard Lewis was even convicted in French court for the "denial of the Armenian genocide" and fined one franc. Lewis has strenuously denied that the Armenians were the victims of a deliberate extermination campaign by the Turks and has also argued that the Armenians cannot be called innocent victims in the events of 1915. Daniel Pipes has favourably reviewed a book by Justin McCarthy called "Death and Exile", one of whose arguments is that the Armenian genocide was actually a mutual war of extermination between Turks and Armenians with Turks suffering just as much as the Armenians.



Mike Nargizian - 10/5/2002

Subject: Free Speech is Not Censorship
Posted By: Hal Goldman
Date Posted: October 4, 2002, 1:03 PM
Criticizing people for their positions is not censorship. It's free speech and a vital part of academic debate. The fact that Mr. Beinin claims that it should not be permitted simply proves the point of Messrs. Kramer and Pipes. Middle eastern studies is populated by intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots who do not believe in open debate. It is they who rely on repression, not Kramer and Pipes. When you publish foolish material or are compromised by your own bigotry, you cannot expect a free pass simply because you are a college professor.


EXACTLY. THERE IS NO OPEN DEBATE ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AT A TIME IT IS MOST SORELY NEEDED.

It is just an Oppressive Monopolistic Suppressive Oligarchy that doesn't want to be questioned in anyway or have any light shone on them, their views, their suppression of open debate or aversion to admitting Conservative Professors into their Private Elitist Monopoly.

POST 9/11 THAT'S TOUGH SHIT.

Was exposing Al Arian in Florida censorship?? Should people know he has direct ties to Terrorist Organizations and speaks out for the death of Israel. I'd say its at least relevant wouldn't you?? Meanwhile, he wasn't even fired. They'd rather hire him than a Bernard Lewis, Pipes, Kramer or Gingrich.

RIDICULOUS!!

Mike


Mike Nargizian - 10/5/2002

Subject: Free Speech is Not Censorship
Posted By: Hal Goldman
Date Posted: October 4, 2002, 1:03 PM
Criticizing people for their positions is not censorship. It's free speech and a vital part of academic debate. The fact that Mr. Beinin claims that it should not be permitted simply proves the point of Messrs. Kramer and Pipes. Middle eastern studies is populated by intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots who do not believe in open debate. It is they who rely on repression, not Kramer and Pipes. When you publish foolish material or are compromised by your own bigotry, you cannot expect a free pass simply because you are a college professor.


EXACTLY. THERE IS NO OPEN DEBATE ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES AT A TIME IT IS MOST SORELY NEEDED.

It is just an Oppressive Monopolistic Suppressive Oligarchy that doesn't want to be questioned in anyway or have any light shone on them, their views, their suppression of open debate or aversion to admitting Conservative Professors into their Private Elitist Monopoly.

POST 9/11 THAT'S TOUGH SHIT.

Was exposing Al Arian in Florida censorship?? Should people know he has direct ties to Terrorist Organizations and speaks out for the death of Israel. I'd say its at least relevant wouldn't you?? Meanwhile, he wasn't even fired. They'd rather hire him than a Bernard Lewis, Pipes, Kramer or Gingrich.

RIDICULOUS!!

Mike


Mike Nargizian - 10/5/2002

Subject: RE: reaction to Beinin article
Posted By: Joseph
Date Posted: October 4, 2002, 6:57 PM
Murray points out very eloquently what is happening to us here in this country over the situation in Israel/Palestine. Religious fanatics are in control of both the U.S. Govornment and the Israeli Govornment.


Religious fanatics. Come on you're being a bit of a melodramatic fanatic yourself. Further, 8 years of Clinton and pacifism worked out real well wouldn't you say? Arafat broke EVERY TENET not just some EVERY TENET of Oslo. The religious fanatics or just plain fanatics are more on the PLO/Hamas/Islamic Jihad/Fatah/Hezbullah. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE even the left wing Israelis did 2 years ago.

Bush is a born again Christian. Sharon is a Zionist who is also a thug.

Yeah, we'd be better off with an atheist?? I'm a zionist so is Barak what the hell does that shit mean?? Sharon is also part of a Coalition Democracy with a rabid Left Wing critical press. His inner cabinet is him, Peres and Ben Elezer. Extreme left wing and moderate left wing and Sharon. Now you want to compare that to Fatah and Al Asqua?? THUGS.

This combination is seriously damaging the social justice movement in the U.S. Somehow we must (though I resent having to do so) involve ourselves in stopping the crazed violence there so that we as Americans can get to work on serious problems here in this country.
Crazed Violence.......... You mean like 9/11 in case you weren't there. Or like the 93 WTC or Khobar Towers??
Or the rising Islamo Fascism here and around the world?
Social Justice movement. What the hell is that?? You mean like our completely porous open borders, the only country in the world with such??

I have long been reluctant to be critical of Israel because too often anti-Jewish kooks would start mumbling away about the elders of Zion, Jewish bankers etc. Unfortunately now what I see as well is American Jews who I once stood in solidarity with clamming up and siding with the worst elements of the Israeli people...Netanyahu, Sharon etc.
"There must be some way outa here"


Right so you were supportive of Barak then, a moderate? He supports war in Iraq, he supports most of Sharon's steps, he agrees Arafat was most to blame, he agrees he was suckered, as well as the rest of the predominately left wing Israeli society.
WORST ELEMENTS.... So you must be speaking about most Israelis then I assume.


Joseph - 10/4/2002

Murray points out very eloquently what is happening to us here in this country over the situation in Israel/Palestine. Religious fanatics are in control of both the U.S. Govornment and the Israeli Govornment. Bush is a born again Christian. Sharon is a Zionist who is also a thug. This combination is seriously damaging the social justice movement in the U.S. Somehow we must (though I resent having to do so) involve ourselves in stopping the crazed violence there so that we as Americans can get to work on serious problems here in this country. I have long been reluctant to be critical of Israel because too often anti-Jewish kooks would start mumbling away about the elders of Zion, Jewish bankers etc. Unfortunately now what I see as well is American Jews who I once stood in solidarity with clamming up and siding with the worst elements of the Israeli people...Netanyahu, Sharon etc.

"There must be some way outa here"


Mike Nargizian - 10/4/2002

Subject: RE: So many unanswered questions
Posted By: Sandra
Date Posted: October 3, 2002, 2:55 PM
Do you see the professors targeted by Pipes organizing a website "monitoring" pro-Israel right-wing profs or "experts" and asking students to "report" on them?


Ummmmmm.. There are practically NONE!!!! THAT'S THE FREEKIN POINT@!!! Unless you consider Fouad Ajami, a Lebanese Muslim highly crticial of the Arabic MEast and supportive of Israel? Are you guys going to monitor him?

What is the PURPOSE of a site dedicated to "keeping an eye on" profs who don't line up on Pipes' meter of being "acceptable" teachers of history or some other social science? What is the purpose of maintaining such a list??

The method sucks. But since there ARE NO CONSERVATIVE ALTERNATE VIEWS IN THE PROFESSORSHIP there is no other outlet to report the AGGREGIOUS BIG BROTHER Brainwashing Oppressive Oligarchy at Schools. Post 9/11 people are not going to put with this shit anymore. If there was open debate at campuses with Conservative scholars able to debate professors like Khalidi or Said at campus this site would dissappear!! INSTEAD OF TAKE OFF WHICH IT IS!!

We have seen how people like Pipes and Emerson target individuals and organizations freely with the broad, undefined label of having "terrorist links."

Proving my point. Emerson can not even say anything about professor with direct ties, like Al Arian who Oreilly exposed for his ties on TV and let people decide, or criticize groups linked to the Holy Land Foundation. CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'S RACIST CORRECT??? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING??? So you're saying all Arabs are tied to Terrorist Groups that others not tied to it shouldn't be horrified, like Sheik Khabanni WHO IS IRONICALLY IS EXCLUDED FROM ALL CAMPUSES AND "MODERATE" Muslim organizations for his "radical" views, like being critical of American Islam which is dominated by the Wahabists, who he says is not TRUE ISLAM. IS THAT RACIST TOO??? GIVE HIM A CALL. He's only 1 of the most decorated Sheiks in the world!

Pipes and Emerson are constantly on TV. They are the face of "Middle East experts" to a majority of the American public that watches TV, listens to the radio, etc. The profs who dare to have a different view from them are never, ever on TV. They NEVER get called for their opinions on Hardball, etc.

SANDRA YOU ARE INSURING YOU HAVE ---- ** 0 ** ---- CREDIBILITY. THERE ARE SO MANY PLO REPS, MUSLIM ORG REPS AND THE LIKE ON TV ALL THE TIME!! And Pipes and Emerson are not the face, how about Casper Weinberger, Newt Gingrich, Joseph Farah (Lebanese Syrian), Fouad Ajami (Lebanese Muslim Scholar), all supportive of Israel and highly critical of the PLO and Muslim Groups linked to Terror. They're all RACIST??

So fine -- let's exchange. I'll take at least EQUAL presence on TV/radio of Edward Said, Rashid Khalidi, Juan Cole, Joel Benin and you can take EQUAL academic presence of the Pipes and Emersons.

YOU ARE SO IGNORANT ITS SAD. Anyone can see how little rational you possess.
Hussein Ibish, Sara Entantawe, Abdel Rahman, James Zogby etc.. are all over the place.
How about NPR, CBS, NBC, CNN, and ABC, National Geographic WHICH ARE ALL LEFT WING DOMINATED PURVIEWS. NPR IS SO DOMINATED PRO PALESTINIAN THEY'VE DONE 3 MONTH STUDIES THAT DOCUMENT IT WITHOUT REFUTE. HANNITY AND OREILLY ARE BIAS BUT THEY GIVE EQUAL TIME AT LEAST TO BOTH SIDES. NPR CLAIMS UNBIASEDNESS which is a complete joke.

What is amazing is how much people like you and Pipes whine, whine, whine, WHINE about how terribly oppressed you all are because you're all somehow silenced in academia. You never offer any specific details about just how such Zionist profs are "silenced" and marginalized in academia. When was the last time a Zionist prof was fired from his job?

HERE YOU GO PUT DOWN YOUR "Talking Points: Zionism is Evil" Handbook and open your mind.
frontpagemag.com

Exerpt from one article:

Here's an example of what the professors highlighted on the website:

'Dossiers: ALAM, M. Shahid. Shahid Alam is Professor of Economics at Northeastern University, Boston. His current research interests include: corruption, growth, global economic history and imperialism. He has published two books, Governments and Markets in Economic Development Strategies (Praeger: 1989) and Poverty from the Wealth of Nations (Macmillan: 1999).

Here's an excerpt from this rabid, anti-Semite:
"But this has been the particular burden of Zionists as they conceived their plan for a colonial-settler state in Palestine, as they went about executing this plan on the backs of imperialists powers-with wars, massacres and ethnic cleansing-and, later, as they have persisted in their plans to dispossess the Palestinians of the last fragments of their rights and legacy whose Canaanite roots were more ancient than Isaiah, Ezekiel, David and Moses."

Is there any wonder then why anti-Israel, anti-West is all the rage at even our most elite universities? You see, there is no hateful counterpart amongst the Jews in America. No Jewish professors (or others) are excoriating Arabs as "ragheads." And so through repetition of the "Big Lie," with no defense in academia, you have the final and total Manchurian Candidate indoctrination of our students. Some of the universities profiled on the website are, to name a few: UC Berkeley, Stanford, and San Francisco State. The Bay Area seems to have a lion's share of America-haters. How does the San Francisco Chronicle write up this story in today's paper? You guessed it--with a sympathetic portrayal of the beleaguered professors. There are no fewer than quotes from three critics of the website, all from academia, of course.

What Pipes doesn't like is the fact that academia is the ONLY, ONLY place in the entire country where his ideology is actually challenged. Pipes dominates the TV circuit, he's quoted by the country's top newspapers. His point of view is EVERYWHERE, ubiquitous and dominant. Apparently, that is not enough for either him or you. You have to DOMINATE every single sector of the country before you can be happy.

You are such a hyperbolic irrational baby. Pipe's view, Gingrich's view, Weinberger's view, Kissinger's view, Oreilly's view, BERNARD LEWIS'S VIEW, are all VACANT FROM COLLEGE CAMPUSES. IF THEY WERE THERE THERE WOULD BE --- OPEN DEBATE on College Campuses instead of an Oligarchy Monopoly of Brainwashing Monotheism there.
That's not education that's 1 sided brainwashing.
Exactly what an education is supposed to NOT BE.

Mike


Mike Nargizian - 10/4/2002

Posted By: Sandra
Date Posted: October 2, 2002, 4:59 PM
As opposed to what Pipes wants and his ilk want -- the silencing and intimidation of critics of Israel? That's the sort of "open debate" you want?


No Pipes and his ilk Horowitz frontpagemag.com want is Schools that are not leftist domintated to the point of Big Brother Brainwashing. Edward Said and his ilk dominate every school. Whether its the Middle East, domestic issues, history of America etc.. ONLY 1 VIEW is presented at colleges. Conservative professors can't get tenure or hired often, can't ascend to Dept. heads, conservative students must tow the line of the professor without disagreeing to maintain a high GPA etc..

WHERE THE HELL IS THE OPEN DEBATE AT CAMPUSES?? ITS NON-EXISTENT!! PIPES SHOULD BE BEGGED TO GET A PROFESSORSHIP, INSTEAD HE'S A PARIAH BECAUSE HE HAS A "CONSERVATIVE" OUTLOOK ON THE MIDDLE EAST.

Emerson, who is very careful and rational and not incendiary or racist. I'VE SEEN HIS VIDEO AND READ HIS BOOK. Is called an Islamophobe for years yet he stated EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON 5 YEARS PRIOR TO 9/11 AND NOBODY LISTENED AND HE WAS OSTRACIZED BEYOND BELIEF BY PROFESSORS AND "Moderate" American Muslim Groups many of whom were charities sending money to Hamas and Al Queda.

THUS, WHO IS SILENCING WHO? YOU ARE INTELLECTUALLY DISHONEST KEEP READING YOUR HANDBOOK "TALKING POINTS ON HOW ZIONISM IS EVIL"

http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz092302.asp

Mike


Joel N - 10/4/2002

I don't agree with some of the characterizations of Said here, but that's another issue. One thing that should be stated though is that Said's non-presence on the major news networks is by his own choice. He repeatedly declines to appear on any of the major commercial network programs and has stated on many occasions his unwillingness to become another talking head. Fine--that's his choice and its understandable, but you should not blame his lack of face time on some sort of major media blackout. He has appeared on NPR with some regularity and on C-Span when he has a new book out. The same is true of Chomsky, Finkelstein (who has appeared on Hizbollah's network, which might give you some idea where he stands), etc. All hold the american commercial news media in explicit contempt and have essentially boycotted themselves from its presence. That said Hussein Ibish, Ali Abuminah, James Zogby, Steven Jensen, and many other pro-Palestinian commentators appear on the major news media programs on a regular basis (including Hardball) sometimes in direct debate with Pipes.

Have you even watched the Donahue show or does that somehow not qualify? Whining about being exluded from the media does not make it true. The fact that the ideas you espouse are irrelevant to most Americans has more to do with the quality of the ideas themselves than any imagined media blackout.

I don't agree with Pipes on most topics but your characterizations of him are specious in the extreme. It doesn't help your arguement to engage in lurid fantasies of concentration camps and ethnic cleansing and quoting Justin Raimondo as an expert on anything is an obscenity. What's next, Mike Ruppert?


Hal Goldman - 10/4/2002

Criticizing people for their positions is not censorship. It's free speech and a vital part of academic debate. The fact that Mr. Beinin claims that it should not be permitted simply proves the point of Messrs. Kramer and Pipes. Middle eastern studies is populated by intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots who do not believe in open debate. It is they who rely on repression, not Kramer and Pipes. When you publish foolish material or are compromised by your own bigotry, you cannot expect a free pass simply because you are a college professor.


Alec Lloyd - 10/4/2002

A Jew cannot live in Saudi Arabia and practice his faith. It is illegal.

Where's your outrage?


Mike Nargizian - 10/4/2002

Here is the link to Amin Al-Mahdi's opinion on Camp David and the Intifada. He is an Egyptian "Peace Activist" and writer. Perhaps, Sandra can put down her "Zionism is Evil" handbook and read this for a second. Considering she cites it verbatim.

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP42202

Mike


Mike Nargizian - 10/4/2002

The pro-Israel protesters behaved outrageously, shouting obscene insults and racist epithets that is typical of right-wing Zionists. Or what about the death threats, physical and verbal abuse that pro-Israel demonstrators hurled at a small group of Jews at that pro-Israel Nuremburg rally in D.C. in the spring? All they did was put up a banner with the word "Jews for Peace" -- that's it.

WAS IT LIKE THE HILLEL meeting at BERKELEY WHERE THE JEWS HAD TO CALL THE POLICE, because they feared for their life if they left the building from the Arab mob oustide? How about the "Pro Free Speech" mob at Concordia that forced that speech to be cancelled. I recall Ashwari receiving protests but her speech going off without incident. By the way the next week a Jew was beaten at Concordia on campus by the leader of the Muslim group, which btw just recently agreed to remove Holocaust "denial" information from its website. He was bloodied and beaten and Jews on campus as in Euirope are afraid to wear Stars of David or walk alone.

As to your comments about the Palestinian "insistence on an unconditional Right of Return" -- first of all, you are thoroughly incorrect. The Palestinian leadership went quite far (and angered many of their constituents) in proposing language that limited the right of return to a small number of refugees and "a just compensation" for the massive rampage of looting and theft of people's businesses, farms, property, possessions that occurred in 1947-48.

Israel has settled thousands of claims by the way for refugees. However, not one of the Sephardic Jews run out of town have gotten a dime let alone the ones who were killed trying to get out of Syria or hung in downtown squares in Baghdad.
A Beirut report stated 68% of the Arabs left before a shot was fired in 1948 FACT!!

(Israelis really believe this myth that the Oslo accords broke down on this one point -- Palestinian instransigence and all that. They never seem to remember what happened at Taba).

The whole "Spontaneous" Intifada was planned before Camp David and set in motion directly afterwards. WOULD YOU LIKE THE QUOTES from the PLO officals including Barghouti, not to mention the documents the Israelis "forged" from the Muquata that show the Iranians and Iraqis sent millions for the "Spontaneous" Intifada in the beginning of 2000. Also, coincidental how most Arafat's capos families all left prior to Camp David for lofty condos in Europe. How about Amin Al-Mahdi the Egyptian writer's take on Camp David and the Intifada? Special Dispatch Series - No. 422

How anyone can condone this lawless, violent theft of people's property, farms, homes, businesses (including possessions like jewelry) simply on the basis that the owners were not Jews is beyond me. It's indicative of the total moral bankruptcy and hypocrisy of Zionism.

Wow are you speaking of the Sephards?? I thought you were for a second the family heirlooms going back thousands of years. Oh maybe its just coincidental that the entire MIDDLE EAST is practically Judenrein outside of Israel and there are 1 Million Arabs in Israel and East Jerusalem for that matter that don't envy being under any Arab state's control. You know of Zohair Hamdan and the 12,000 signatures of East Jerusalem Arabs during Camp David. You want to know what he thinks of Arafat and the Arab states?

And it never ceases to amaze me how Zionist Jews can condemn Palestinians for wanting to return to their homeland as if it's some obnoxious, unjust, extremist desire on their part. The entire Zionist movement rests on "the eternal and absolute right of return" of the Jewish people to their supposed ancestral homeland -- a return of people who'd been away from their homeland for thousands of years.

No what's abhorrible is that they rounded fellow Arabs up who may have only moved 10 miles into Jordan and Lebanon and kept them like destitue cattle in camps where they cannot become citizens, own land, participate in the economy, can't hold certain jobs, and can't leave for 54 years. That is called psychotic obssessed hatred beyond belief. They are treated worse by Arabs than any Jews. Would you like the quotes from the leaders of Syria and Jordan in the 50's and 60's stating it is abonable what they are doing to the Arabs of Palestine and how they are mainly responsible for them in the first place?

Over 100 million refugees including 750,000 dispossessed Sephardic Jews from Baghdad, Damascus, Beirut, Jerusalem, Alexandria, etc.. were assimilated in Israel, the US and France. Only those 600,000 Arabs from Palestine, a large chunk of whom were there less than 5 years (Special UN Resolution) have been kept virtual prisoners, as mere pawns to be kicked around by their Arab "Brethren" who see them as dirt and have abused their "cause" innumerable times over the years.

People who considered themselves superior to the people of the region, and considered Arabs to be subhuman savages.

Are you speaking of how the Arabs think of the "Palestinians" or how the Israelis do? The Arabs treat them as worthless guineau pigs who live in closed off ghettos, denied citizenship, movement and jobs. They serve only 1 purpose and nobody wants them now. The Arabs created this anathema all by themselves but its everyone else's fault though!! Always is.

-OR- Perhaps, you are speaking of the way the Muslims treat the Dhimmis. Maybe some Sephardim who could describe the treatment they received in Iraq and Syria particularly. The vast amount of civil rights they endured and the amount who died trying to leave. Pehaps you could take a trip to South America and speak to the Arab Christians who fled post Oslo from Bethlehem, Beit Jalla and Ramalla from the benevolent treatment they received from the PLO who is Christenreing Bethlehem and Beit Jalla. Funny, I don't think the Israeli Arabs or East Jerusalem Arabs find leaving to other Arab states very appealing, rather than living under their brutal, arrogant evil "Zionist" overlords. AMAZING!!

You have an exploited population of foreign workers from poor Asian workers who can never earn full rights because they are not Jews.

That's laughable!! There are foreign cheap labor in every country!! As if there are not foreign workers in Kuwait, Quatar and the United Arab Emirates let alone all the Mexicans dying to come to the US? Forget foreign workers rights in Kuwait or Quatar you have to be of a certain Arab family line to even vote in those "Democracies" . And how many non Sunni Muslims let alone Christians or Jews are allowed in Saudi Arabia?? Pretell?? Are you just reading from a compiled Media list on the evils of "zionism".

Yet people who still have deeds to their homes and land -- deeds hundreds of years old -- people whose connection to the land is genuine, who are OF the region, whose roots in the region are centuries old, many of whom are descendants of Jews who converted either to Christianity or Islam, who are genetically identical to Mizrahi Jews -- they have no rights at all simply because they are not Jews.

Yes and why did those Dhimmi Jews convert pretell?? Wonder why?? Left out that fact did you? Funny I recall those Sephardic Jews with deeds in Jerusalem and Hebron let alone the rest of the Middle East who haven't gotten a dime or anything back, let alone family heirlooms thousands of years old. Who is living all their homes now?? or in their Temples and neighborhoods and farms? Israel has actually settled thousands of claims not one Sephardic claim has been settled. They're happy they got out alive but now their claims don't count?

When you really begin to dissect the ludicrous hypocrisies, contradictions and sheer illogic of Zionism, you realize that it's built on a racial/religious exclusivist structure of sand.

Really. So the Zionist have less tolerance than the Arabs? We all know how well Arabs get along historically and how well they treat different sects, Christians etc.. Israel has 1 million settled Arabs who don't envy living in Jordan or any other Arab state. How many Jews live in Saudi Arabia again??
As I recall Hebron and Jerusalem was closed to the world and Jews from 48-67 but since is open to everyone?? Thus, by connective logic if Zionists are exclusionary racists would that make the Arabs?? JUST CURIOUS.

And the Israeli state is committing suicide very well, all by itself, by its adamant refusal to get the f--k out of the territoris.

As I recall they weren't there for 19 years and in fact it was Judenreined including Jerusalem and Hebron which were predominately Jewish since the 1800's and had Jews for 3000 years. However, that didn't stop the Fedayeen terrorism or the 2 Wars the Arabs brought. I think the Arab league's response to Ben Gurion post the 67 War was:
"No Peace, No Compromise and No Recognition" I think that's the exact quote.
What the Arabs want is for Israel to unilaterally withdraw like in Lebanon and then work on the rest of Israel. I think Arafat and the rest say it openly in Arabic. Husseini the Israeli left's former hero said exactly that in Kuwait in 2001.

Why make concessions negotiate and make tough compromises when you can get it anyway without giving up anything. Arafat also isn't strong enough to be Sadat nor does he want to be. Plus when you've been teaching your people for years that the Jews don't exist, are fake, The Temple Mount is a fraud, they are apes, pigs, monkeys, marauders, use the blood of Arab children, etc.. HOW THE F are your people going to except compromise and embrace peace and co-existence.
Again, read the Egyptian writer's own freekin words!! Let alone Dennis Ross's opinion.

Mike


Jeff Zazlow - 10/4/2002

At Concordia U Benjamin Netanyahu was invited by a local group to speak. Protestors, mainly Arabs, went nuts, turning over cars, violently screaming and causing mayhem. Police could not guarantee the safety of the attendees sot the event was cancelled. After the event the school banned "All speech regarding the Middle East". Somehow Hillel and the Jews were also responsible for the problems by sponsoring an event of free speech. The next week a Jewish student was beaten by the leader of the Campus Muslim organization, which only recently after protest agreed to take links to Holocaust Denial off their Web Site. He was bloodied and battered. Jews on campus do not wear Stars of David in public for fear of being persecuted or worse and many are now transfering as a result.

AT Colorado U the President invited Ms Ashwari to be the featured speaker at the anniversary of 9/11. Note, where Ms Ashwari lives they were celebrating raptuosly the day we were slaughtered in NYC and Washington. (We of course assume she wasn't smiling, she's a "moderate") There were massive written protests from civilians, students, professors, representatives etc.. A simple request to at least have an opposing speaker follow her and then have open debate and questions after WAS DENIED!! CAN'T HAVE OPEN DEBATE ON LIBERAL CAMPUSES, NOT ALLOWED. Her event still went off with no problems, other than some occassional boos and signs held up saying "We don't believe you".

NOW YOU TELL ME??? WHO IS SUPPRESSING FREE SPEECH AND DEBATE???????????????? WHO ARE THE NAZI FASCISTS?? THE OLIGARCHY AND VIOLENCE APPEARS FULLY ONE SIDED.

I may be wrong? but I DON'T THINK SAID OR BENIN PROTESTED SUCH AGGREGIOUS DENIALS OF FREE SPEECH. If so please find those articles and email them to me. GOOD LUCK Searching.

Jeff Zazlow
Virginia


Bob Greene - 10/4/2002

Well I do seem to have stirred up a hornet's nest. First things first. Many thanks to Damian for posting the Pipe's link. There is little to add to Damian Alex and Erics devestating crtiques. Sandra, whom I am sure is a sincere individual, forgot the 11th commandment: "Thou shall not take quotes out of context nor misuse ellipsis." Sandra is right that Edward Said should be on the air more offten. He makes our caes even better than Pipes can. The venon and hatred that spews forth from Said and his defenders is a sober reminder that we are in a war for the hearts and minds of the world. Is it not strange that the same people who think all conflict can be resolved by holding hands, chanting, and singing Kum Ba Ya can be so full of anger and hate. Not that there is anything wromg with anger and hate,just not all the time.


Mike Nargizian - 10/4/2002

You left out some facts such as:
Over 80% of Ivy League Professors identify as Democrats or Liberals and only 5% identify themselves as Conservatives.

The problem is that Universities are Monopoly or Oligarchy of monotheism on the Middle East and Foreign Policy. Thus, the stifling of alternate ideas and full debate in the classroom and among faculty is not taking place. The monopoly exists at Tenure hearings where every liberal would likely not approve a Conservative Scholar such as Pipes, who like him or not is immensly knowledgeable and well read. Conservatives such as these or Bernard Lewis would have as good a chance at Professorship or Tenure at Cal Berkley or an Ivy League School as a Conservative Judge would getting Ted Kennedy's Yay vote.

The Leftists and Arabists have for years launched a concerted War to dominate Campuses across the country and they have succeeded. The Ants running from the light are the Monopolites now being exposed, as the country as a whole stands polarly opposite their "radical" views and post 9/11 is paying attention to this Secret Monopoly.

Put Conservatives of somewhat equal representation at College Campuses and the Debate will be taking place on the Campus where it should be. All we hear about is Divestment Campaigns from Israel, isn't that ironic, haven't heard of any from Egypt, Zimbabwe, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan or even requesting the gov't stop funding Arafat's personal bank accounts around the world. That seems a bit one sided to me??? Maybe I'm just a radical though???? YOU DECIDE!

Mike Nargizian
New Jersey


David Nieporent - 10/4/2002

Don't forget Edward Said's little rock-throwing vacation/adventure last year.

I'll never forget Said's vicious criticism of Arafat's handling of the Oslo process. He attacked Arafat for using the process for his own gain at the expense of the Palestinian population. That's not unusual; many people have said that. But Said's criticism? That Arafat was too conciliatory towards Israel. Apparently agreeing not to murder people is a major concession.


eric v`` - 10/4/2002

Sandra et al. are so typically blind and fascistic it's truly stunning. I have no idea who this woman is, her history or anything else about her, but from what I have read here I am absolutely dumbstruck but how terrifyingly arrogant, ignorant and hateful she is. Amazing, and chilling, a truly evil individual.


John - 10/4/2002

Rant against the US and Israel as much as you want.

Just stop whining when someone like Daniel Pipes points it out.


Damian Penny - 10/3/2002

"[Israel] hears what it wants to hear and remains deaf to everything else."

Pot. Kettle. Black.

I agree that the fate of the refugees forced to leave Israel is tragic - a tragedy compounded by the Arab states' decision to let them fester in squalid "refugee camps", rather than make any effort to let them build real lives within their own territories.

But you conveniently forget almost *all* the Jews living in the Arab states were forced to leave after the creation of Israel, under very similar circumstances. (Somehow, the "genocidal" Zionists let a majority of Palestinians remain in Israel, and even let them vote and hold public office.) And they've made it very clear that they will never, ever be allowed to return, under any circumstances. The Palestinians were not "ethnically cleansed" from Israel - but the Jews *were* ethnically cleansed from Israel's neighbours. Where's your outrage?

(And don't give me some B.S. about all of the Jews voluntarily abandoning their homes for Israel, as I've heard "anti-Zionists" claim when this subject is brought up. *All* of them chose to move? It's bad enough when Israel supporters claim most of the Arabs displaced in 1948-9 did so at the urging of their fellow Arabs. It's downright *obscene* when people justify what happened to the Jews of the Middle East.)

Hundreds of thousands of people on *both* sides of the dispute were displaced after the creation of Israel. The difference is, Israel successfully managed to integrate their refugees into their new country; the Arab states made a deliberate choice to *exclude* the Palestinians from theirs, just as long as they could be used as a lightning rod for anti-Jewish hatred.


Damian Penny - 10/3/2002

Um, you *do* realize the "quote" I supposedly agree with isn't posted, right?

I notice that a lot of the other quotations you use were cribbed from a CAIR "fact sheet" about Daniel Pipes. Pipes himself has issued a point-by-point rebuttal at http://www.danielpipes.org/cair.shtml , which shows the absolutely staggering degree to which his quotes were "edited" and his arguments distorted.

You've never actually *read* anything by Pipes, have you?


Sandra - 10/3/2002

If a Jew wants to live where his ancestors once lived, there is absolutely nothing wrong in this. If a Jew wants to REMOVE the native population that has lived there for centuries because they are not the correct religion, that is racist on its face. The only strain of Zionism with any moral and political integrity is the binationalist strain. How do you "welcome" total strangers who want to remove you from your land, resorting to violence when you refuse to go? How do you "welcome" people who do things like boycott any employer who hires an Arab worker, like the Histradut did? The goal was to keep the native Arabs unemployed and dirt poor so they would go away.

European Jews who emigrated to Palestine came with typical European racist views of Arabs. Any reading of the commentaries made by early Zionist leaders shows their racism toward the Arabs. There WERE Zionist leaders who were binationalists, who believed it wrong to view the native Arabs as subhuman and illegitimate residents on their own homeland. But their attempts to humanize the Zionist movement failed.

You only parrot Israeli myths about Jews wanting peace and Arabs responding only with war. These myths have been demolished by Israeli historians for years now, so they're pretty outmoded. Israel has not once, not once tried to truly generate goodwill among its neighbors. Israelis and their pre-state leaders have always viewed themselves as superior. The Arab response to foreign invasion and forcible expulsion of an entire population was perfectly natural and would have been true of any people in the world, including Jews. Who in the world would ever agree to see their homeland divided, with over half going to a minority population?

But this is all in the past and it's useless to debate this. Israel is an established state. The notion that Israel is in any danger of destruction from its neighbors is ludicrous.

What is important is what is going on NOW. In April of this year all the Arab states, including Arafat, plus Iran, publicly offered Israel full peace, normalization and recognition. The declaration expressed hopes for full, normalized ties in commerce, etc. This is the exact same offer put forth as early as 1981. All they asked was total withdrawal from the territories. One would think that Israelis would've collectively cheered that finally, finally, finally they had received full acceptance of their existence--publicly and officially--by all their neighbors. One would expect that they would celebrate that they had finally been offered peace by all their neighbor states.

Instead, there was a deafening silence. But that is typical of Israel. To Israelis, Arabs are all natural liars. It hears what it wants to hear and remains deaf to everything else.


Alec Lloyd - 10/3/2002

Go ahead. Start your own website. You will find no criticism from me.

As for Edward Said, again, I am amazed that an known liar retains such academic status. Professor Ellis was forced to eat a sizable amount of crow merely for pumping up his personal resume. Said uses his false family history for political gain. But if he’s your poster child, set up a shrine. Just don't prohibit me from having one to my own favorite scholar.

That’s what amuses me. In the name of “free discourse,” you want less speech. I guess when no one is allowed to say anything you’ll be happy.


Sandra - 10/3/2002

Do you see the professors targeted by Pipes organizing a website "monitoring" pro-Israel right-wing profs or "experts" and asking students to "report" on them? What is the PURPOSE of a site dedicated to "keeping an eye on" profs who don't line up on Pipes' meter of being "acceptable" teachers of history or some other social science? What is the purpose of maintaining such a list?? We have seen how people like Pipes and Emerson target individuals and organizations freely with the broad, undefined label of having "terrorist links." Pipes and Emerson are constantly on TV. They are the face of "Middle East experts" to a majority of the American public that watches TV, listens to the radio, etc. The profs who dare to have a different view from them are never, ever on TV. They NEVER get called for their opinions on Hardball, etc.

So fine -- let's exchange. I'll take at least EQUAL presence on TV/radio of Edward Said, Rashid Khalidi, Juan Cole, Joel Benin and you can take EQUAL academic presence of the Pipes and Emersons.

What is amazing is how much people like you and Pipes whine, whine, whine, WHINE about how terribly oppressed you all are because you're all somehow silenced in academia. You never offer any specific details about just how such Zionist profs are "silenced" and marginalized in academia. When was the last time a Zionist prof was fired from his job?

What Pipes doesn't like is the fact that academia is the ONLY, ONLY place in the entire country where his ideology is actually challenged. Pipes dominates the TV circuit, he's quoted by the country's top newspapers. His point of view is EVERYWHERE, ubiquitous and dominant. Apparently, that is not enough for either him or you. You have to DOMINATE every single sector of the country before you can be happy.


Alec Lloyd - 10/3/2002

Fair is fair. When the Jews of the Middle East are compensated for the property they lost when all the Arabs expelled them, we can talk about Palestinian claims. Many ancient Jewish communities (including ones in the “occupied territories”) were destroyed in the 1920s and 30s, not to mention in 1948. I favor accomodation for both sides. Do you?

Why is Zionism wrong? Do explain why, for example, Bosnian Muslims are entitled to a homeland but Jews are not? Your remark about ancestry is revealing. Shall we also conduct blood tests to determine who is “Arab” enough to live in Palestine? Perhaps we should revive the old “octoroon and quadroon” standards and divide people further. Do you have any idea how racist you sound by arguing that certain immigrants have insufficient Jewish blood to be come to Israel? I hear Leni Reifenstahl is still around, maybe you two should get together and lament this dilution of the pure-blooded.

Furthermore, what claim do the Arabs have to Palestine save that they conquered it? It is the ancestral homeland of the Jews, of that there is no dispute. The Arabs could have decided to welcome the new neighbor in their midst but they decided on war. Ironically, those that stayed have the highest standard of living in region, coupled with a working democracy (in which they may vote) and a fair system of laws. The ones who left got Yasser Arafat. Who got the raw deal?

Is there anyone deluded enough to believe that when the last Jew is blown to pieces the Arab thugocracies in the Middle East will suddenly transform into multiparty democracies? Israel is imperfect, but it far exceeds the failed states surrounding it.


Alec Lloyd - 10/3/2002

Again, you’ll have to explain to me how Pipes having a web site is “stifling debate.” Is he going to beat up opposing activists? Perhaps shut down their speaking engagements? Funny how beating up Holocaust survivors doesn’t qualify as “intimidation.”

Oh wait, I forgot, only YOUR views are worthy of the professorate. Everyone else is WRONG and must never be allowed to speak.

Thanks for the clarification.


Murray A. Rubinstein - 10/3/2002

As an American jew with close ties to family in israel--family that helped build the state since it was the Palestinian mandate--and as an academician who teaches in a hightly diverse urban East Coast college and attempts to be "objective," I feel torn. I belive in debate and in freedom of speach but also have seen the ugly spectre of anti-semitism at close hand even in "liberal New York. And I do want Israel to survive but not as an imperialistic state that recreates an Ancient Israel at all costs. Israel was a social experiment that has been hijacked by the ultra religious extremists whom Sharon courts. If we need to the devil here is name is Sharon. Ararfat is at best a bungling and inept demon.

And as a student of evangelical/charismatic Christianity who knows the nature the hidden agenda that has existed since the end of the 19th century, I believe any Jew who thinks he can become an ally of that wing of protestantism is fooling himself. Those who are not "saved" are just pawns in a deadly endgame of eschatological "history." It is the end that matters--and the rapture of the saved and not anything else that drives the Christian Ultra-right--with our beloved Prested W as a member in good standing of that belief system--and that vision of end of days. Doesnt armageddon begin in the Middle East folks? Think about it.......


Brian - 10/3/2002

I am much more inclined to support Campus Watch after reading Mr. Beinin's pathetic article. The attacks against Mr. Pipes and others by him and Sandra constitute nothing more than propaganda. Mr. Pipes does support his statements with facts and figures. This article and some of the comments posted on it "recall the era of Senator Joseph McCarthy." His criticism of Summers is utterly revolting, and rather typical of the lunatic left. (By the way, I'm a Democrat who continues to move further to the Right as I read more from Beinin, Said etc...


Sandra - 10/3/2002

Then you agree with Pipes' statement:

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I assume you do. 'Nuff said.


Damian P. - 10/3/2002

Sandra, I'd like to thank you for using Justin Raimondo, a man obsessed with defending Slobodan Milosevic and hunting down phantom "Israeli spy rings", as your source. That tells us exactly where you're coming from.

Really, your attitude - that it's OK to slander Daniel Pipes with brutal personal attacks, while academics whose views are more to your liking should be free of criticism - illustrates exactly why "Campus Watch" was created in the first place. It is Daniel Pipes' CRITICS, not Mr. Pipes himself, who are seeking to stifle debate.


Sandra - 10/3/2002

Herewith some comments and commentary by and on Mr. Pipes:

Quoting from Justin Raimundo's antiwar.com site:

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Pipes is no scholar. His claims about Muslims are all general pronouncements. He offers no statistics, no research, no rigorous inquiry.

Here are some more quotes from Mr. Pipes:

"I worry very much from the Jewish point of view that the presence, and increased stature, and affluence, and enfranchisement of American Muslims...will present true dangers to American Jews."
(speaking before the convention of the American Jewish Congress, 10/21/2001)

As long as Muslims are very few in number, quiet and passive in their little worlds, away from the civilized general population, as long as they never, ever participate in the political process, that's fine with Pipes. Muslims by *their very nature* are intent on killing Jews. Wherever there are Muslims, Jews are unsafe. Like all bigots, he's terrified of the idea that Muslims will grow in number and exercise their political rights in this country. Keep them subdued, passive, controlled: that's what he wants. Anyone familiar with attitudes toward Jews not just in Germany of the 1930s but in the US in the the early part of the 20th century (when pro-Hitler sentiment was strong) will recognize this filth for what it is.

Pipes and Emerson are on their personal jihad against Muslims in this country and around the world. They smear Muslim professors and organizations without a shred of genuine proof, causing enormous damage and great pain to their victims. Pipes once said of Islam "This religion would seem to have nothing functional to offer."

Pipes also displays a racist's distaste for Muslim immigrants who "wish to import the customs of the Middle East and South Asia." (Los Angeles Times, 7/22/99) For Pipes, this sort of raw bigotry is nothing new.

In 1990, he said: "Western European societies are unprepared for the massive immigration of brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and maintaining different standards of hygiene...All immigrants bring exotic customs and attitudes, but Muslim customs are more troublesome than most." (National Review, 11/19/90)

In his superficial and insincere attempts to distinguish between "good" and "bad" Muslims, he hasn't ONCE offered any objective criteria or any standards whatsoever in understanding the difference between what he calls "integrationist" and "chauvinist" Muslims. His definition of "chauvinist" is all-encompassing. In a 1999 National Post article, Pipes wrote: "The Internet boasts hundreds of Islamist [chauvinist] sites; I doubt whether there is a single one that is traditional [integrationist] Muslim." This statement alone demonstrates his total ignorance, his intellectual laziness, his refusal to do genuine research, his total lack of true scholarly inquiry and examination.

Pipes's goal is to convince Americans that bad American Muslims are in the majority since he claims they "run most of the Muslim institutions in the United States." (Los Angeles Times, "It Matters What Kind of Islam Prevails," 7/22/99)

Pipes goes on to write: 'all Islamists have the same ambition, which is what they call 'the Islamization of America.' By this, they mean no less than saving the US through transforming it into a Muslim country.'

As one reviewer wrote, "Where'd he find that, some pseudo-document called the Protocols of the Elders of Mecca?"

Pipes' attempts to clean up his bigotry are obvious efforts in making him look a little more respectable. At bottom, however, he and his buddy Emerson are purveyors of hate and bigotry.

It's quite interesting that you automatically equate condemnation of Pipes with alliance with religious extremists of the bin Laden types. That is a perfect demonstration of the intellectual laziness and ignorance represented by Pipes and those who defend him. You conflate opposition to Pipes with approval of bin Laden. That your mind is so incapable of distinguishing between the two pretty much says it all.



Sandra - 10/3/2002

The intimidation and threats at that demonstration occurred on both sides, I was there. The pro-Israel protesters behaved outrageously, shouting obscene insults and racist epithets that is typical of right-wing Zionists. Or what about the death threats, physical and verbal abuse that pro-Israel demonstrators hurled at a small group of Jews at that pro-Israel Nuremburg rally in D.C. in the spring? All they did was put up a banner with the word "Jews for Peace" -- that's it.

As to your comments about the Palestinian "insistence on an unconditional Right of Return" -- first of all, you are thoroughly incorrect. The Palestinian leadership went quite far (and angered many of their constituents) in proposing language that limited the right of return to a small number of refugees and "a just compensation" for the massive rampage of looting and theft of people's businesses, farms, property, possessions that occurred in 1947-48. (Israelis really believe this myth that the Oslo accords broke down on this one point -- Palestinian instransigence and all that. They never seem to remember what happened at Taba).

How anyone can condone this lawless, violent theft of people's property, farms, homes, businesses (including possessions like jewelry) simply on the basis that the owners were not Jews is beyond me. It's indicative of the total moral bankruptcy and hypocrisy of Zionism.

And it never ceases to amaze me how Zionist Jews can condemn Palestinians for wanting to return to their homeland as if it's some obnoxious, unjust, extremist desire on their part. The entire Zionist movement rests on "the eternal and absolute right of return" of the Jewish people to their supposed ancestral homeland -- a return of people who'd been away from their homeland for thousands of years. People who had absolutely no connection to or acquaintance with the land of Palestine, who had no particular interest in or respect for the region or its people. People who considered themselves superior to the people of the region, and considered Arabs to be subhuman savages.

This year a group of Peruvian indians who'd converted to Judaism settled in the territories. They have all the rights of a citizen of Israel. You have thousands of Russians in Israel who are not even Jews, or whose claim to being Jewish rests on one grandparent (maybe). All of this is perfectly legitimate for Zionists. You have an exploited population of foreign workers from poor Asian workers who can never earn full rights because they are not Jews.

Yet people who still have deeds to their homes and land -- deeds hundreds of years old -- people whose connection to the land is genuine, who are OF the region, whose roots in the region are centuries old, many of whom are descendants of Jews who converted either to Christianity or Islam, who are genetically identical to Mizrahi Jews -- they have no rights at all simply because they are not Jews.

When you really begin to dissect the ludicrous hypocrisies, contradictions and sheer illogic of Zionism, you realize that it's built on a racial/religious exclusivist structure of sand.

And the Israeli state is committing suicide very well, all by itself, by its adamant refusal to get the f--k out of the territoris.


Orson Olson - 10/3/2002

Praise that ignores the facts and eschews due criticism is empty and phony. Perhaps Mahmood Suleiman will be good enough to fill us in on what he knows?

If not,I don't care to know the tailor of the unclothed emporer.


Chris Osborne - 10/3/2002

I merely hope that Professor Beinin is also angry about the systematic intimidation of a pro-Israel rally at San Francisco State this past spring by Palestinian supporters. I concede I am not familiar with Beinin's views on a Palestinian insistence on an unconditional Right of Return--even within the pre-1967 borders of Israel--which would inevitably mean demographic suicide for the Israeli state.


Bob Greene - 10/3/2002


Your slanderous lies against Steve Emerson and Dr. Pipes can not go unchallenged. For you to say Dr. Pipies advocates that Muslims and Arabs be put into concentration camps or be deported is a Big LIE. I challenge to back up this specious assertion with one shred of evidence. Dr. Pipes, one of the nations finest Mideastern scholars, has repeatedly asserted that our enemy is NOT Islam nor is it the Arab peoples in general. Rather he argues that a small segment perhaps ten per cent of Muslims support the Islamist or Islamofascist or radial fundamentalist, whatever you prefer, position that sees the West as its implacable enemy. On his website he took a great deal of heat when he denounce the idea that Islam itself is our enemy. As to Steve Emerson, one of our nations finest investgative journalist, his brilliant work "American Jihad" has been vindiated by events of the last year. He too attacks the Islamofascist and not Islam in general.
The screwball notion that to attack the radical Islamist is the equivalent of attacking Islam in general is completely absurd and without any basis in fact or logic
It is the defenders, such as yourself, of the radical Islamists who are the true fascists and you do need to be watched You kind are a danger to America. We do not wish to silence you for you words are our best weapons , we wish to let the world at large know waht you are saying. In any open and free debate our side will win.


george beres - 10/2/2002

No one calls me an anti-Semite because I have been a defender of Semites on both sides-- Arabs and Jews. Those who describe me as anti-Judaic are properely specific-- but they are wrong. My writings have as their target one very narrow group of Jews: Zionists. They misuse their roots just as any fascist-minded leadership does anywhere in the world. Like big oil, tobacco, munitions makers and Christian fundamentalists, they use big money to bribe elected officials in the U.S. What they buy is U.S. foreign policy that supports Israel even when its behavior is militantly wrong. The tragedy is that all of these donors-- not just Zionists-- are viewed as legal under a skewed interpretation that equates the spending of money on political campaigns as the equivalent of free speech. FULL, unequivocal campaign finance reform is the only way tro resolve this cancer on democracy. In the meantime, we must be alert to the efforts of Zionists to dictate U.S. foreign policy in behalf of a foreign nation, Israel. - George Beres


Sandra - 10/2/2002

As opposed to what Pipes wants and his ilk want -- the silencing and intimidation of critics of Israel? That's the sort of "open debate" you want?


Alec Lloyd - 10/2/2002

Your post just revealed your true agenda: silencing debate. Because you disagree with Daniel Pipes, he shouldn’t even be a professor.

Once again, only YOUR definition of “appropriate” views can be fairly aired. Everything else is “racist” or “xenophobic.”

Thanks for the clarification.


Sandra - 10/2/2002

Thank you, Prof. Benin. I have been a faithful reader of the MERIP Report since I was an undergraduate in the early 1980s. It has helped me immeasurably in my travels and studies in the Middle East. I remember being so gratified to finally find a magazine that actually portrayed Arabs, Muslims and all the peoples of the Middle East as real human beings, instead of the dark subhumans promulgated by the racist claptrap foisted upon Americans by the likes of Daniel Pipes. To anyone like me with an interest in the Arab world since I was a child, it is quite shocking to grow up in this country and discover that one is supposed to despise and loathe an entire religion and an entire group of people about whom one is entirely ignorant.

That someone like Pipes (or Steve Emerson) is even taken seriously as a "scholar," as a "journalist" or "writer" in this country demonstrates the debased level of discourse on this subject. Pipes and Emerson are the equivalent of the "scholars" and "experts" who in the past promulgated the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and other innumerable tracts on so-called Jewish or African practices or "timeless traditions" that demonstrated their inferiority and evil nature. Pipes and Emerson are just as stupid and just as dangerous as those "experts" of the past. Their writings provided the rationale for so many of the horrors of the 19th and 20th centuries after all.

Daniel Pipes's deep-felt desire is for all Arabs and Muslims to be deported from the US or put into concentration camps. More than that, it is his deep-felt desire to see their population diminish considerably in its entirety all over the world. He is a purveyor of pure, unadulterated hatred and seeks to spread his hatred to others. That he is engaged in "monitoring" academics whose views he doesn't like easily demonstrates his fascist tendencies.

That Prof. Benin even has to respond to such imbecilic and extremist idiocy demonstrates how primitive the level of discourse is in this country. No scholar of Prof. Benin's merit would ever find it necessary to respond to anyone defending the Protocols of Zion.

It is, however, heartening to see that many scholars have asked to be included on Pipes' repulsive website. One wonders if, at last, more people are becoming less afraid of confronting the right-wing Zionist-dominated discourse in the US. Perhaps Pipes' website is a sign that that narrow and profoundly ignorant discourse is finally weakening its hold.


Don Reed - 10/2/2002

Of course, no one is watching the incredibly biased left-wing cabal that runs most universities. As a tenured faculty member and a registered Democrat, I'm shocked at what some of my colleagues pass off as the spirit of open debate. Prof Beinin and his ilk are even more guilty than Pipes and his ilk of stifling debate. When was the last time anyone shouted down an Arab dignitary at a public event? Get real, Beinin. The real racists are the Arabs. Have the guts to look at the evidence and tell the truth.


Mahmood Suleiman - 10/2/2002

God bless you Prof. Beinin for this excellent and patriotic response to blind prejudice and bigotry . With my very best wishes Mahmood


Orson Olson - 10/1/2002

Professor Beinin precisely misses the point: that there is no "vigorous debate" on campus anymore! Instead, like Don Quixote, he tilts his arguments at windmills and straw.

He writes: "This cabal of jingoistic war mongers is trying to stifle public debate on the Middle East...." What debate? How about a Party of Peace with few relevant arguments to answer the case of war's proponents? (If you're antiwar, I've got better one's than the Dems do.)

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