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Jan 31, 2005

Iraq's Elections: First Impressions




The elections have gone off in Iraq with few hitches. Yes, it will be easy to find some imperfections. Yes, there was violence. But the imperfections do not amount to enough to invalidate what a remarkable event this is, and the violence is far less than what the naysayers expected. In sum, this is a victory for the Iraqi people.

As a consequence, this is a victory for the Bush administration. This puts many liberals in a tough position, of course. It also points out to the problems inherent with much of the anti-war left (and that fringe anti-war right): Once we were actually at war, it was difficult to glean precisely what they wanted. I have more than my share of qualms with how the administration handled Iraq. On the merits, based on the case the administration made we ought not to have gone in to Iraq. (By which I mean, had the administration not been in such haste to go to war that it rushed in with bad intelligence and worse evidence, plus more than a hint of demagoguery, the Congress more than likely would not have given the blank check that it wrote to President Bush). We know that now. Those who claim to have known that then, however, are being honest neither with themselves nor with those to whom they claim to have had such foresight. I made a tentative liberal case for this war (which I may post in the coming days, just to see where I was right, where I was wrong, and where I was full of it). I thought it was mismanaged from the outset. But once we were in, I argued consistently that to leave, to abandon the Iraqi people, would be a catastrophic mistake.

So today Iraqis went to the polls and voted. In and of itself this was a huge victory. It reminded me most, at least on the surface, of the 1994 elections in South Africa inasmuch as people lined up to engage in the baseline activity of democracy that had been denied them for so long. This should not be seen as the end or culmination of anything, however. In its efforts to play to the cameras, and perhaps to present a warped version of reality, the administration has declared “Mission Accomplished” before with the inconvenient fact of the mission not having been accomplished.

The administration will now face an especially difficult challenge in the weeks and months to come – from both left and right, there will be substantial pressure to withdraw our troops, personnel, materiel, and, to be crass, money, from Iraq. From the left will be the same old cries of imperialism (cultural and otherwise), of warmongering, and all of the other nefarious deeds to which the left has ascribed the administration, some of which may have even have had kernels of truth. But now the administration will also face another wing of opposition – this will come from the right flank. The Republican Party in recent years has managed to be militant without being especially internationalist. What I mean by this is that among the so-called neo-conservatives, the exercise of American power has become in and of itself both a means and an ends. For the Rumsfelds and Cheneys and Wolfowitzes this has meant that planning to engage in war with Iraq has come a lot more naturally than solving humanitarian crises in Africa. The administration has proven a lot more adept at striving for democracy in the Middle East than it has at keeping its promises in Africa. (Democracy in the Middle East is a goal with which I am wholly sympathetic even if I have serious doubts about their strategy. Nonetheless, while I know I’ll draw fire from my liberal friends and colleagues for this, let me make it clear: Liberal democracy is not only good, but in the long run it should be seen as a necessary goal; Liberals who value human rights have to understand that human rights will only flower in the fertile soil of democracies that liberalism once embraced and still should.) For many conservatives, then, there will be some demand to pack up and leave Iraq. There will be a lot of hand wringing about a budget that up until now the Republicans have either ignored or actively poo-pooed. I suspect that the foreign policy realists will become more vital to or at least influential within the party and the administration will have a difficult time exercising its larger visions in the region.

I could be wrong. I quite possibly will be. But with Bush fast on his way to becoming a lame duck, and with internecine struggles already threatening to make governing, even with a more solid Congress than he had over the past four years, more difficult for President Bush, do not be surprised if the much ballyhooed Neocon ascension proves to be short lived. Iraq will be a testing ground. We need to remain engaged in the form of military, economic, and infrastructural support because if Iraq fails, we will have failed. We got ourselves into Iraq. We did a good thing by getting rid of Saddam, even if we did that good thing poorly. But now the actual hard work begins. An election is not the culmination of policy. It is also not the beginning of it. Instead, the elections should best be seen as a key midpoint of our larger vision. Leaving the Iraqis to their own devices as quickly as possible will protect neither the human rights that the left so cherishes nor the stability and security that the right claims as its main interest. For those of us who are somewhat hawkish liberals, we must be clear that it is in everyone’s interest for America’s sometimes uncomfortable engagement in the Middle East to continue.



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Oscar Chamberlain - 2/2/2005

Is there law? I think you mean, is there international law?

Of course there are laws; there are lots of laws. But laws without remedies are hot air. The question is, do the agrieved have remedies under international law?

Here the answer is, not much. The international community has no capacity to enforce international law by arresing people unless the nation the accused resides in agrees to do it for them. This is true in fact, even if the offending nation has agreed to be part of the World Court.

The situation is vaguely analagous to the US under the Articles of Confederation. The national government had the right to make policy and enact laws in a number of areas, but it could not enforce these on its own because it did not have a judiciary. The states were obliged to obey these laws, but in the absence of effective compulsion, that obligation was moot.

Now, I truly support strengthening an international judiciary based largely upon western values. I have long opposed the tradtion of the US to stand aloof from such things, and I am particularly opposed to the Bush administration's willfully destructive attitude.

However, I don't see a big change coming--at least not within the US. That's largely because the average American has no clear stake in such an organization. That's blind and selfish (which, as you correctly note, democracies often are), but it is also true.

That does not mean people who support an international legal order should stop trying, but, it does mean that we cannot expect people in other lands to put their striving for freedom on hold until a better international order comes along.

And here we are back to Iraq. I had grave reservations about the invasion and our government's rationale for it, and I am deeply angry at the way in which we have attempted to run Iraq in the aftermath. However, as limited as they were, these elections were a moment in which a broad swath of the population could begain to push its way into the power structure. They grasped it. It may work; it may prove illusory.

What, given the current situation, would you have had the Iraqis do differently?


chris l pettit - 2/2/2005

to make DC and Thomas Friedman look silly...

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=4689

The funny thing is...i am nowhere near libertarian, as Raimondo is...I am usually not exactly supportive of his work...but he gets it right a heck of a lot of the time...even if he also is not exactly a "rule of law" guy. THis article exposes many of the absurdities that I have seen trumpeted here and actually looks a bit deeper into the quagmire instead of relying on blind faith and ideology.

CP


chris l pettit - 2/2/2005

I do not advocate a dictatorship...however, it can be proven that there is no such thing as "democracy" as we would like to think it exists. My position is largely based on my South African experience. The South African problems today are partly the fault of the ANC regime and partly the fault of the imposing of illogical ideologies on the government by the international community. THe great thing about South Africa is that the judiciary is very strong and independent, and they are obligated by an article in the Constitution to be a protectorate of human rights in the country, no matter what the "democratic" peoples decide their ideologies and belief structures want to have happen (for instance the return of the death penalty). This is the reason why the South African legal system is the most progressive in the world and will be able to be effective (it already has regarding gay rights, health care, AIDS care, right to housing. etc). The real challenge will come when the judiciary is forced to declare the government in widespread constitutional violation (probably regarding education) and will come into direct conflict with the corrupt and unjust international economic and political system that will prevent the government from taking the proper steps needed to address the problem, or will turn the South African government into a pariah like Chavez in Venezuela (this is not to compare Chavez to the ANC...I greatly prefer the ANC at the moment).

So what I advocate is a strong independent judiciary and the rule of law...a guarantee of fundamental human rights. you speak of addressing the problems...what good is addressing the problems in a way that only creates more? Have we not learned that if we do not tackle a problem at its core, and instead address it at some periphery hotspot, we only compound the problem and make it worse a great deal of the time? As I said...history will continue to repeat itself until you learn from it and address the core problems.

Singapore was only an answer to your democratic claim...I would not use it as a system of governance...but would use it as an example of a nation state with a hell of a better record and more credibility than the US has and will ever have again.

I do not discount the education of the Iraqi people...I only acknowledge the provable fact that all people of religion, political ilk, or any ideology that is based in bling faith or fundamentally flawed assumptions can be manipulated or driven by that ideology to exclude others and forgo the fundamental and universal human rights that apply to all of humanity...and nature for that matter. i am sure that some Iraqis voted very rationally and logically, and do believe that there is a solution to their problems that can come out of this mess. unfortunately, they are choosing the wrong way to do things. i am very encouraged to see their desire for freedom, peace and autonomy, as that is what all humans thirst for. I admire the Iraqi people and do not denigrate them. What I denigrate is a useless and hopeless system and elections, and lament that quality scholars could possibly support such nonsense.

My last questions is this...we always here "don't say I told you so...just figure out how to take the next step." Well...without saying I told you so, those who continue to make mistakes will just repeat history again. When I am saying I told you so and the rest of you are either finding excuses or saying it is not important and to concentrate on solving the next problem (which you will continue to do on the periphery instead of addressing the core problem)...what happens then? When do the mistakes become complicity in destroying humanity and not allowing the rule of law and proper institutions to take hold? When do ideologies such as Mr. Simon;s become crimes because they create and foster the social conditions that lead to war crimes, crimes against humanity, and the destruction of the rule of law? Do we simply admit that law does not exist and we are only dealing in ideologies and "might makes right?" I have tried to get you guys to admit that you have no basis in law or ethics for months...and will continue to do so. if there is no law...fine...i am an anomaly along with many other human rights and international lawyers and will have to choose some sort of side in this little game of social darwinism. if not...when will you come around?

CP


E. Simon - 2/2/2005

Chris wrote:

well educated regarding "democracy" and "freedom"? since when?

Chris, when political scientists talk about the relationship between how educated a society is and how well-suited it is for democracy, there hasn't historically been an undue emphasis on whether they are educated about specifically political concepts, of which "democracy" and "freedom" would be generally sufficiently elementary. It is true that there are a significant number of Iraqis who have misconceptions about democracy - (which I don't think will be difficult to overcome, by the way), but less so about freedom, which is probably at least as important. In any case, having a certain degree of education in whatever field makes one less likely to be emotively swayed by the promises of a politician and more adept at questioning and criticizing the specifics of a political agenda. The other part of this has to do with mobilizing a great deal of human capital, which is not possible absent a decent degree of education. The government then has to rely on its people and the quality of the labor they are willing to expend for revenue, making it in turn more "democratically" accountable than it would be if it only had to answer to an oil field, or diamonds, or drugs.


Jason Nelson - 2/2/2005

Chris:

What are you talking about? The US does not have human rights, peace, rule of law? In human history, which countries have had it better? The European countries sleep soundly under the blanket of American military protection. The US's top diplomat is a black woman. The top law enforcement official will be a latino. If there is no rule of law chris, who are you paying protection money to, which warlord do you answer to? Your exagerations remind me of a Michael Moore cut and paste job. I simply don't agree with your premise at all, with all due respect.

P.S. I hope I havent convinced you. The more the leaders of the Democratic party continue to parrot the rhetoric of the Left, along the lines of your comments, the longer it will be before your guys win a meaningfull election.


Jason Nelson - 2/2/2005

Women, I repeat, women voing in a county that belongs to the Arab League of Nations is an achievement of historic proportions to any objective standard. Personally, I sleep better at night being optimistic about the possibilities, rather than pull a Ted Kennedy and nash my teeth and wring my hands and close my eyes and hope for Bush's failure, regardless of the human cost.


E. Simon - 2/2/2005

Oscar,

I hold your point-by-point rebuttal and maintained civility in high regard. I admit it's hard, sometimes, not to devolve in to making the last point you make into an extended exclamation.

I never doubted these points, especially the last, but a personal example was especially resounding. I remember some Iraqi Americans I came to know, a couple years ago, of various levels of education, insight, life experience and range of opinion. Most were looking forward to Saddam's removal, and I never would have blamed them for it. A few shared with me the sense of let-down felt from the aftermath of the first go.

Nevertheless, I tried to remain pragmatic, reminded the most ardent advocate of the "Vietnam" syndrome and American unwillingness to commit troops without a high probability of success. As the day came closer, it was hard not to share in their joy of what this would eventually mean - an opportunity to go back to the country she knew, start a business with significant humanitarian reach, and come to terms with the fact that becoming American by choice can sometimes be a decision made out of absolutely wrenching, and wretched alternatives.

And as those days approached, I sympathized more and more with the dismay felt over American demonstrators protesting the "morality" of breaching "sovereign Iraq." It was never more obvious to me when my friend asked why such people - self-described humanitarians to the core, I'm sure - never would have offered to live their own lives under Saddam as an exchange. And this was the type of moral trade-off they seemed so willing to make, to leap at in fact, on behalf of others.


Oscar Chamberlain - 2/1/2005

Chris,

I did not see this comment until after I posted my reply above. I never did say that you could not have a decent dictatorship. However, I suspect Singapore is at the top of a very short list.

And yes, I can think of many better places for Iraqis to start toward something better than Saddam's regime than this US occupation.

What really irritates me about your comments is not your anger at the US, but your contempt for the Iraqis. Making that worse is that you propose that they wait for conditions that have no near term possibility of existing.

You don't simply want the UN to take charge. Instead you want a UN that I am truly sorry to say does not exist: a sort of selfless international regime possessing considerable military prowess and a great deal of money to set things right.

Furthermore you want this super-UN to educate Iraqis to accept a philosophy of government that is, at best, no less foreign to Iraq than the neo-con vision of the Bush administration.

All I am suggesting is that (1)the Iraqis are choosing not to wait for the good but are trying to make that good out of what they have got, and that (2)they deserve some respect for that, and (3) that their actions provide a little more hope for their situation.

Finally, I am beginning to wonder about the international order that you want. While aspects of what Singapore has done is admirable, is that your model of international law and order? A "well ordered police state," 21st century style?


Oscar Chamberlain - 2/1/2005

Chris

"The vote was largely down religious lines!!"
I think that also means tribal lines. In any case it was, to certain extent, lines that the voters chose. Would you deny them the right to choose on those grounds?

"They have been taught to think that democracy is some sort of panacea...which it isn't!"
Here you are closer to an important point. But it is not that they think democracy is a panacea. It is that when countries make revolutionary shifts toward democracy the people who support this shift are united by a negative definition of democracy ("It is not the old regime") Once they begin to attain power they will find that they have important differences on what democracy is. That's a time of danger, but I'm not sure that it is avoidable regardless of the manner of transition.

"Do I dare say it is purely ideological and blind faith in "democracy" and "freedom" as a panacea without making sure that human rights, peace and the rule of law will be guaranteed first?"
All true. But the Iraqi's are not likely to get to better government by waiting for those things to be put in place.

A wider point: The Iraqi's don't have the option of starting from the circumstances that you advocate. Some the US would not try to create; others it could not succeed in creating.

But what should they do then? Sit on their hands and hope the US gets frustrated and leaves? Some Iraqis--particularly in the Sunni region-- did chose that, in the hope that they can put things together within the chaos of our departure. But is that likely to produce anything one whit better than the current situation?

I don't think so.

From what I have seen, Iraqis are well aware of the limitations of this process. But many of them see it as something they can use to create a better and more independent Iraq. It's the best shot they have right now, and they do not deserve your contempt because they took it and they do not deserve your contempt because they used criteria that you would reject.


Rich Holmes - 2/1/2005

For every source such as this one I could probably find 5 others that have a markedly different view documenting the "real news in Iraq." In terms of what I read daily, I'll take a look at both, but prefer the latter.


chris l pettit - 2/1/2005

http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/hard_news/archives/hard_news/000192.php

this is basically the best source of real news in Iraq...you should do yourselves a favor and read it daily...if you dont already.

CP


chris l pettit - 2/1/2005

which seems to have happened on this board as well at the moment...

first...see my example...

Second...the Guardian happens to be one of the most objective and balanced news agencies out there...if you like I can post articles from the Strait Times, japan Times, Moscow Times, al-Jazeera, World Press Review, IHT, and several others...that inference is absurd...

well educated regarding "democracy" and "freedom"? since when? Granted, I do not doubt the education of the Iraqi people, but they can be swayed by religious and political propaganda as much as the ignorant American scholar can (apparently). The vote was largely down religious lines!! They have been taught to think that democracy is some sort of panacea...which it isn't! How long til we start hearing the gripes that nothing has changed...that the US is till in occupation...that the elected officials are corrupt and don;t advocate the will of the people...just like has happened in both the US and here in South Africa...in situations much more legitimate than that in Iraq.

What is so difficult to see about all this? Why hold on to this pipe dream so vociferously in the face of all the evidence that confronts you otherwise? Do I dare say it is purely ideological and blind faith in "democracy" and "freedom" as a panacea without making sure that human rights, peace and the rule of law will be guaranteed first? I honestly think you are blinded by your ideological underpinnings...

CP


chris l pettit - 2/1/2005

Since I am currently lecturing at the U of Cape Town, how about a South African analogy, something DC can appreciate...

I have lunch once a month with Albie Sachs, one of the judges on the Constitutional Court and one of the foremost legal scholars in the world. One of our more interesting debate points is regarding democracy. many of the old guard anti-apartheid activists were more than happy to sit on their laurels once "democracy" was achieved...in this case true democracy that is eons removed from the joke that is the Iraqi elections. Democracy was thought of as a sort of panacea, similar to the way it is being trumpeted in Iraq. The situations are similar...decades of tyranny, a sudden change of rulership...yes, one can claim that there was no foreign military intervention in South Africa, but this is a small quarrelling point. What I am focusing on is that a tyrannical system was brought down in favor of what everyone was clamouring for...democracy. South Africans got to vote for whomever they wanted...they constructed the best constitution that currently exists in the world, they have an independent judiciary that is required by the constitution to be a human rights protectorate, a judiciary that is unconnected to the legislature or executive politicos. And still the economic, cultural, and social rifts remain. The country has made a lot of progress, but the onus has shifted from racism due to color to the denial of rights due to economic status as a result of the adoption of many of the US style policies (of course forced on them by the World Bank and IMF)...and the rise of a greedy black elite to match the greedy white elite that never had to give up the money and property they made from Apartheid. Albie and others have realised that democracy is not a great solution and that other rights, particularly human rights and the rule of law must be guaranteed before governments can continue and run legitimately...something that has no chance of happening in Iraq. it is not a first step, if it is just a legitimization of illegalities and atrocities. This selling of democracy and freedom as some sort of great thing is sickening.

By the way Oscar...an example of a non-democratic state that is doing a hell of a lot better in human rights and the rule of law than the US and many other so called "democratic" states? How about Singapore? One can raise a few concerns...but nowhere near as many as the US. I am willing to bet that there are as many "democratic" regimes that violate human rights and international law (US, Russia, Israel, the UK, France, the list goes on and on) as there are "other" regimes that do the same thing...we just do it in a different fashion...one that some mistaken scholars can claim is legitimised (as if any atrocities and law violations are).

Lets look at Iraq...we have hand picked US puppets...most of the population does not know the candidates or has no idea what their platforms are...the government that they are walking into has been horribly hamstrung by US policies and the directives of the interim government and the Provisional Authority...the Sunnis boycotted the election...the election was almost purely voted down religious and cultural lines...human rights atrocities are commonplace by both the US and interim government...there was a mass of intellectual flight and little or no proper education...this is a country that has not experienced this sort of circus (since it is neither legitimate nor democratic) before...there is no quality constitution nor independent judiciary set up to defend the rights of the people against both the government and the occupiers...the constitution and new government have to be effectively approved by the US masters...the economic structure has been destroyed to a point that US and foreign investors will control most of the infrastructure...there are huge US bases being built and US troops will be there for a long time to come (even if the US puppets that are elected "agree" that US "support" is needed)…we are either looking at a continued revolution…or a continued US puppet state…something I know Ms. Klinghoffer will like, but that no one could ever call either free or democratic.

Sorry Oscar, but you have to have the proper institutions and protections in place before you can take even this first step. This is either an irrelevant exercise in futility…or a step backwards that will ensure more bloodshed or continued US control. Now…one can look at it from a selfish US standpoint and say that now there is an “exit strategy” but there are those of us who actually care about human rights and peace instead of greed and self interest that goes along with atrocious nationalism. How is this anything other than the legitimization of an atrocious, corrupt, illegal, and unethical system of occupation? It is a disgrace. It worries me that people outside of prejudiced scholars such as Ms. Klinghoffer can support this as a “good” thing. They got to vote? Whoop dee freakin doo…what does this do for them? How does this guarantee rights…how does this get US war criminals put on trial (since I am sure there will be a bi lateral amnesty agreement at some point)…how does this get the proper institutions constructed…especially when you consider that you don’t have that many scholars and legal minds who are still in Iraq to fight for truly fair and just institutions.

I feel your “democratic” and “first step” cries are largely based in fantasy and not any sort of logical analysis…this election was a farce, and will continue to be until the US is driven out and a system not based on force can be established.

DC is absolutely incorrect…it is not in everyones interest for the US to continue in the Middle East…it is in everyones interest for the UN and human rights groups to continue in the Middle East, and for the international community of humanity to be involved…the US and self interested nation states should be tossed out on their rears and forbidden to return unless they truly want to play their small part in the international community and work in concert instead of for their own self interests.

It is unfortunate that there are still those ignorant enough (Buddhist definition…not a personal attack at all) to support this and that we will continue to watch history repeat itself. It can only be hoped that either a global body can be established to overcome this ignorance and adjudicate against those who collaborate with illegal policies, or that individuals finally learn to open their eyes and realize that democracy is not a panacea, is not “freedom”, and is totally useless in instances such as the one we have been discussing.

CP


Oscar Chamberlain - 1/31/2005

Thanks for the kind comment.

In retrospect, I feel a need to retract the mood of my comment if not the content. I am concerned about a future in which Bush is a model of leadership.

But the Iraqis deserve better today. Those who voted deserve joy. They've earned it.


E. Simon - 1/31/2005

Are the Iraqis denouncing it? They're one of the most educated populations in the Middle East. (The other one doesn't have a right to a country either, though, according to your musings).


Rich Holmes - 1/31/2005

The Guardian. The British equivalent of "fair and balanced."


Derek Charles Catsam - 1/31/2005

Oscar --
And my larger point is that while Ms. Klinghoffer might have problems with "focusing" on what is good or bad for Bush, the fact is, this is what so many foreign policy issues that we are involved with come down to. As long as she is willing NEVER to gove creduit to President Bush, I'll take seriously claims thjat it is unseemly to focus on something that would seem to so obviously warrant attention as what the consequences to the U ited States and thus its leaders will be.
But on the larger point, she is right -- quite clearly democracy, the viotsm, is a vital part of a larger process of liberalization of a one-time authoritarian state. I guess the Rebunkers tend to come down on one side: Authoritarianism bad, liberal democracy, good. I thi k it is clear that we disagree on much beyond that,. I am probably more charitable to Oscar's assessments than Tom is, for example.
dc


Derek Charles Catsam - 1/31/2005

Please note: Rebunk does not encourage urinating on parades. That's what alleys and the space behind the bleachers is for.
dc


Oscar Chamberlain - 1/31/2005

Derek,

I have no doubt Bush will get some credit, tremendous credit if this proves the beginning of a long-term stable and even half-way decent government.

I will admit that I find it personally difficult to give credit to an administration that lied its way into war and that made our occupation far more costly than need be. Our troops served him better (and their nation, and, with obvious terrible exceptions, the Iraqis)far better than he ever served them.

But Bush said that democracy was his goal, and so he will get credit if that is the outcome. And it will be deserved. Without the invasion it would not have happened, at least not nearly so soon.

But that credit will be used by Bush to justify the multitude of sins that weave through his handling of the "war on terror." That it is ok to trick a people into war if the cause is right. That it is ok to torture so long as you win. That it is ok to set up a permanent gulag for enemies.

And if this succeeds, it will help reinvigorate the imperial presidential model begun with FDR on a grand scale. But Bush will be the new model. Future presidents, Republican and Democrat, will see this as a model for success, just as FDR's prudent and imprudent and illegal actions became the model for the presidents of the following decades.

So in my heart do I hope that the Iraq Democracy fails? No. I hope it succeeds, wildly, magnificently, beautifully. Let them be a light for democracy.

But forgive me if my heart aches at the collateral damage such success may do to us.




Rich Holmes - 1/31/2005

Agreed. Amazing some seem to waste no time in urinating on the proverbial parade before the ink on the Iraqis' fingers has even dried. Overall, very well put, DC.

+Rich


Derek Charles Catsam - 1/31/2005

Does any serious reader see my piece as uncritical? I would bet that fans of this administration find my comments at best a backhanded compliment, with more backhand than compliment. But to say that this is anything other than a great day for the Irai people, whatever the flaws from the US-policy end, seems to be to deny Iraqis rights that we take for granted. It can be a great day without being a great process, which I would hope that any close reading of my piece would reveal.

Thanks for commenting.

dc


Brian Flynn - 1/31/2005

Although I would not agree with Mr. Petit that the election turnouts were meaningless, I also think the uncritical celebration of the elections as a "great day" is also unwarranted. Assuming that the turnout was as high as reported, I do think this says something positive but exactly what it says remains unclear. I suspect Mr. Chamberlain's observation is correct that it shows an attempt by the Iraquis to regain control of their country.

It must be remembered that this is a vote that is taking place under an occupation and a vote that only came about after the Bush administration's hopes to install Chalabe fell to pieces. What has also been remarkably absent from this discussion is any acknowledgement that for the most part the names of the candidates were not released until immediately prior to the election so people went not knowing who was running. This may not make the elections meaningless but they can hardly be heralded as a beacon of democracy. As to why it is important not to have these elections validate the policies of the Bush administration I think the answer is fairly straightforward. I would think most people would acknowledge that the Iraqui people are better of without Saddm Hussein in power. But does anyone seriously think that the Bush administration's policies in Iraq, or anywhere for that matter, are generated by concerns for human rights or democracy?


Derek Charles Catsam - 1/31/2005

Ahh yes, miseducated and ignorant. You make quite a point there. That took long.
dc


Derek Charles Catsam - 1/31/2005

Judith --
I assume you mean the sophistry comes from the comments and not from the piece? I hope so anyway.
Chris --
We'd love 57% to be higher. But for a country with no institutional experience with voting, with a history in which making a public display of anything but the narriowest Saddam-philia could lead to the most atrocious outcomes, a country where there were threats and intimidations, they managed to syrpass average US voter turnout over the past half century. How is this not something we cwelebrate?
Chris and Oscar --
My point asbout Bush is that he will benefit. I've been clear about my apprehanesions and distrust of the administration, but I have to think that this is something of which he will rightly get to hang a Presidential legacy on. Wuill it oyutweigh everything else? It is far tooe arly to judge. Camp David looked like a major victory for Carter -- and it was. It just was nowhere enar enough. And if the President is going to take the credit, he will also take the blame if things go awry.
This is a great day for Iraqis. How can we all not be happy about that?
dc


Stephen Tootle - 1/31/2005

Well put, Ms. Klinghoffer.


Tom Bruscino - 1/31/2005

DC: Excellent commentary on a truly important and inspiring event.


Judith Apter Klinghoffer - 1/31/2005

This is sophistry at its worse. Democracy means the rule of the people. Voting is a practical way to discern their will. People without a vote, wrote the Jeffersonian Republican New Jersey paper Centinal of Liberty in 1806 are "slaves, considered completer vassals, who had no voice to utter in choosing their rulers". In my article "The Petticoat Elecotors," I demonstrated how discourse about women's charachter was affected by their loss of the vote in New Jersey.
This morning I listened to the BBC interviewing a writer for the Guardian and another one from the Middle East. The interviewer asked: "Has yesterday changed your mind about the Iraqi people?" Yes, the two agreed and went on to argue that, hence, the left should stop asking what is good or bad for Bush and Blair and focus what is good or bad for a democratic ME.


Oscar Chamberlain - 1/31/2005

Chris,

You are right. Voting guarantees nothing, and the ability to vote does not always equate with freedom. As such, one must look beyond the fact of elections to the substance behind them.

However, not voting pretty much guarantees some form of oppression, whereas voting is a sine qua non (did I get the Latin right?) to self government, essential if not in itself sufficient.

My impression is that Iraqis see this as a step toward getting control of their country back. They are using it for their purposes (and these vary from individual to individual, tribe to tribe, Shi'a to Sunni, etc.).

Bush is using it for his purposes, too. Very irritating for those of us who neither trust him or his purposes. But if Bush thinks he's controlling the process, I think he will find himself mistaken.

Therefore, this election is worth a cautious celebration. If it does not lead to a better situation, that will make the news in dark, sad ways.

Let us hope that it does lead to better times for Iraqis. And if it does, and if Bush gets credit for this, then we will hear faintly in the background what many cultures have described as the laughter of gods.


chris l pettit - 1/31/2005

amid several...

I fear that this election might give air to the "freedom and democracy" crowd in the eyes of the miseducated and ignorant (Buddhist definition)...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1402277,00.html


chris l pettit - 1/31/2005

57% - this is democracy?

no one knows the candidates and there is widespread intimidation...what good is voting if your choices are one prick or another...or one puppet or a religious zealot...

what good does voting do if the violence continues, people cannot eat, there is no good water, the education is destroyed (due to US), the economic system is destroyed and only benefits foriegn corps and lackeys of the us

last I heard, democracy does not bring human rights, peace, or the rule of law...we sure as hell dont have it in the US...Russia does not have it...if democracy was allowed to dictate rights in South Africa, the death penalty would return...this is why there is a need of a strong and independent judiciary to be a human rights protectorate and rise above those who are not well enough educated, are miseducated, are blinded by ideology or ridiculous religious superstition, Machiavellianists, etc, to precerve the universal rights of all humans.

If this helps Bush, it is only because people are not educated enough or too ignorant to see through it.

CP