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Dec 18, 2004

Dissecting a "Silly" Argument




John Ray, a self-described"former anarcho-capitalist," at Dissecting Leftism has responded to our HNN article comparing the foreign policy of T.R. and GWB:

"There is a rather silly article here which compares GWB to Teddy Roosevelt on the grounds that both Presidents have sent U.S. armed forces to intervene in foreign countries. Although TR was a Republican President, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats were clearly Leftist or Rightist in TR's days and TR was a notable supporter of the"Progressive" (Leftist) wing of the GOP. He even left the GOP at one stage and set up his own"Progressive" party. And his actions abroad were thoroughly imperialistic -- under a very thin cloak of righteousness. They were certainly not driven by defence needs. GWB, by contrast, is simply responding as best he can to the war on America declared by the Islamic extremists. And the difference between a defensive war and a war of expansion is surely of considerable importance. As is shown here American wars abroad are normally the work of the American Left. It is only the needs of defence that have got GWB into such wars."

Defense, indeed! People who have lost touch with reality tend to project their own motives on to others, but then, I hardly need tell a psychologist that. Certainly, powerful leaders have done so throughout history.

TR's blather about the threat of Spain, certainly was a rationale to take what was left of her Empire. I hardly think attacking Iraq had anything to do with defending against Terror; oil & Israel, most likely.

As to Left/Right; the Neocons now masquerading as Conservatives, are part of the old Trotskyite to Democratic Left. I think you might also consider much of your own comment in the"silly" category.



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David T. Beito - 12/19/2004

Dignify what? Bill did not say "It's all about oil?" although he did mention oil as a factor. Of course, if you are arguing that oil has "nothing" to do with the intervention, I would be interested in your response. I haven't heard anyone claim that.


John Joseph Ray - 12/19/2004

You will find my comment on the wicked neocons here:

http://jonjayray.netfirms.com/rightism.html#1215

I won't dignify "It's all about oil" with a response


Gus diZerega - 12/18/2004

Mickey Herskowitz, friend of the Bush family and initial ghost writer for George II's A Charge to Keep reported that Bush was planning a small war to gain re-election even before he was elected. Go to http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761

Along with suggesting the man is guilty of murder in a very straightforward way - ordering the killing of others to get re-elected - it suggests just how far so-called conservatives have strayed from the ideals of the country they suppoosedly want to conserve.