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Nov 4, 2004

Changing minds? Not really.




I wrote this in an e-mail this morning:

The most shocking thing about this election, with the possible exception of the depth of voter fraud and nullification, is the almost complete lack of movement in the vote: except for New Hampshire, and a few states whose margins of victory last time were under a percent, no states changed hands. Eight million more voters, hundreds of millions of dollars, millions of words written, and it doesn't seem to have changed anyone's mind, in spite of the incredibly important events of the last three years. That's polarization.

Well, Republicans have been saying that their policies will make America stronger and better. Republicans have been saying that we've been on the wrong path. They think they have a mandate, because they have power, but what they really have is a competent and unrestrained drive for victory. Republicans have been saying that they're not fascists, or proto-fascists or pseudo-fascists. Now we'll see.

p.s. I was right, I'm sorry to say. Last November I wrote:

The incumbent Bush-Cheney ticket, one of the tightest pairings in recent presidential politics, can and will trounce any Democratic challenge that attempts to unify the party and appeal to the electorate through political diversity rather than ideological focus. It will be particularly obvious if the vice-presidential candidate comes from the pool of failed presidential candidates, because the primary campaign sniping will be replayed immediately in the press and by the other side. To overcome the Bush/Cheney advantages of unity and [early] money will require near-perfect candidates running a better-than-perfect campaign and some luck to boot.
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But assume that the economy stays ambiguous, that the situation in Iraq remains only mildly troubling, that no new terrorist attacks happen. Or even assume that these factors don't remain stable, but counter each other: if the situation in Iraq becomes a crisis, but the economy improves, for example. Then political clarity -- ticket unity -- will decide the next election, as it has decided the last five.

Other predictions are put to the test by HNN staff here. The economists and political scientists came out pretty well, it seems. I have doubts, even about my own model, because of the contingencies inherent in this process. There are also some interesting analyses of what might come in this second term culled from HNN's archives here. What makes them interesting is that none of them were written with a second Bush term in mind; most come from around the last midterm elections.



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Jonathan Dresner - 11/4/2004

Well, we could blame a hundred million eligible voters who didn't, for a start.....

I really do think there's a third and maybe a fourth party in that seeming vacuum. Whether that would mollify you is another question.


chris l pettit - 11/4/2004

From the Nuremberg Tribunal...not something that you want to be discounting lightly...

"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring."

This includes anti-gay marriage bigotry and most of what both Bush and Kerry stood for.

By the way...whats the Democrat excuse this year? Can't blame Nader...got higher turnout...you can hear the "lets move further right" machinery getting cranked up...when will you get over the idiocy of this two party system and realise that in order to work for true peace and human rights we must abandon the broken system we have and mount true resistance? Unfortunately, I figure most of you will be content in being blissfully ignorant for a while longer...

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chris l pettit - 11/4/2004

1) Mandate? What mandate? How do you claim a mandate when you represent maybe 1/3 of the US? Arguments that we are a democracy and therefore voters decided hold no water...any argument that a mandate exists is illogical.

2) Not that this matters since we have seen a total lack of respect for the rule of law, the international community, and any idea of peace and respect for human rights and peoples other than ourselves...

3) Dr. Dresner...in my mind you are one of the brightest and most lucid posters of the academics on this sight, and i commend you for your frequent brilliance.

4) The economy is in deep trouble...all models based in reality indicate this. For reference, see the CEPR website, as well as reports from the OECD, and writings by Joseph Stiglitz, the greatest economist of the past 50 years, if not century. I feel sorry for the middle and lower classes who are going to be hit hardest by this. Maybe this will get them reading and better informed...

5) these guys are about regime change...the rule of law and rights of other peoples matters not to them...only their ideology and idea of a perfect world based on an unsupportable philosophical and religious worldview. one of these days, Machiavellianism and legal positivism will be shown universally to be the frauds that they always have been, the fallacies used to increase power bases and deny human rights to all peoples.

6) I said in another post that even the Nazis had their supporters in the judiciary. people do not understand how key it is to have people at the right spots in the judiciary to uphold fascist, bigoted, undemocratic, and unconstitutional policies. It has been this way in the US since the ending of the Warren Court era, and is now about to get worse. We are entering Nazi Germany and Apartheid South Africa territory here, and unfortunately the world will suffer, not just Americans. A distinguished jurist I know made the argument that the current US government is a greater threat to the international community, world peace, and human rights than was Hitler. i disagreed with him at the time, but at least Hitler was regionalised and did not effect the totality of international law and the international system...the US does this and threatens the entire world with militarism, pseudo-fascism, and the nastiest form of imperialism.

7) Kerry would not have been any better. he may have made life easier for the greedy self interested lives of Americans by repealing tax cuts, but he was just as atrocious on human rights and the respect of international law as Bush was. Think Clinton, whose human rights record and disrespect for international law made Bush's forays possible. Masking these bereft positions with "multi-lateralism", while continuing US domination and the destruction of the international legal framework and community would have been an awful thing. The silver lining in the Bush victory is that the sun is setting on US hegemony, and that this organisation will go the way of the Soviets, the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, Pinochet and his generals, Apartheid, Zionism, and all other oppressive regimes now recognised as pariahs of humanity.

and again...I look forward to putting them in the dock at the ICC. Now what to do about all those who are complicit in sustaining the regime...

CP
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