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Jun 27, 2008

Notes on Contemporary History -- Abroad & at Home




Spencer Ackerman,"Long-term Harm From U.S. Torture," Washington Independent, 26 June, reports on our disgraceful conduct. Yet, a World Public Opinion poll finds that 44% of Americans support torture of terrorist suspects. Public opinion in Britain, France and Spain was most strongly opposed to torture. Why, among the nations polled, would India be most supportive of torture? Hat tip.

Max Boot and Josh Marshall debate the commitment of American troops to Iraq for many decades. Is Iraq like Germany or Japan? Like Korea? Like Viet Nam?

In Barbara Goldsmith,"Message to All Whining Female Democrats: Hillary's Out. Get Over It," wowOwow, 26 June, the prominent historian and Hillary Clinton supporter calls for unity.

By a vote of five to four in District of Columbia, et al., v. Dick Anthony Heller, the United States Supreme Court yesterday found a DC law banning private gun ownership unconstitutional. Justice Scalia's opinion for the majority and Justice Stevens's opinion for the minority are here. (The Court, the decision, The Volokh Conspiracy and historical scholarship continued below the fold)

At The Volokh Conspiracy, there's considerable admiration for the historical scholarship in these and other recent Court opinions."Consider, by contrast, the Supreme Court's use of history when it was issuing some of the most consequential decisions in its history," writes David Bernstein,

those requiring that every state reapportion each legislative house on one person, one vote principles. In Gray v. Sanders (1963), Justice William O. Douglas wrote, without further elaboration, that the political philosophy of"the Gettysburg Address, Declaration of Independence, 15th, 17th, and 19th Amendments 'can mean only one thing–one person, one vote.'" Never mind that a close reading of all or any of those writings suggests that they don't have anything at all to say about whether one-person, one-vote is a required, or even the best, way to apportion legislatures. This casual misuse of history not only failed to offend the Court, it was quoted favorably by Chief Justice Earl Warren the following year in Reynolds v. Sims.

Fair enough. Point scored.

The historians' brief in the case was signed by Colorado's Fred Anderson, Carol Berkin of CUNY, Ohio State's Saul Cornell, Paul Finkelman of Albany Law School, Don Higginbotham of UNC, Chapel Hill, Princeton's Stanley Katz, David Konig of Washington University, St. Louis, MIT's Pauline Meier, Chicago's William J. Novak, Virginia's Peter Onuf, Stanford's Jack Rakove, Lois Schwoerer of George Washington, Oklahoma's Robert Shalhope, Michigan's John Shy, and Alan Taylor of UC, Davis. At the Volokh Conspiracy, Jim Lindgren points out that was a strong influence in Justice Stevens's opinion for the Court's minority."... unduly influenced ..." is Lindgren's wording. Admiration for historical scholarship is fleeting, when you disagree with it.



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Ralph E. Luker - 7/3/2008

I believe that Bellesiles joined the Emory history department about the same time that I left my office on the Emory campus. I never met him until "after the fall," as it were.
I'm inclined to accept the judgment of my Duke classmate, Sandy Levinson, that the lead majority and minority opinions of the justices were examples of "law office history" -- cherry- picked for talking points -- and have little doubt that the "gang of fifteen"'s brief was similarly partisan. Aimed to make a case, yes; inaccurate, no.


Tom Gunn - 7/3/2008

So how's the book coming along?

I was under the impression that you were at Emory the same time Michale was.

There's been complaints that the Gang of Fifteen's® amicus is historically inaccurate I thought you might comment.

"Admiration for historical scholarship is fleeting, when" [the scholarship is shown to be false and politically motivated]


Ralph E. Luker - 7/2/2008

I was never a member of the faculty at Emory, only an adjunct professor, when I was editing MLK Papers in an office there 15 years ago.
I am no expert in the history of gun law. It makes little difference whether I agree with the amicus brief or not.


Tom Gunn - 7/1/2008

Sorry to hear about your book. All in G-d's time.

I may be a bit confused yet. Rather than GM I should have said Emory.

Makes no difference. Did you get a chance to read the gang of 15®'s amicus and do you agree with it?



Ralph E. Luker - 7/1/2008

I was at the Virginia Foundation for the Humanities in Charlottesville for a semester doing research on a book on which I am still working.
Alas, I have not served on a Pulitzer Prize committee and was, ergo, not the person who single-handedly kept one from going to Bellesilles.


Tom Gunn - 6/30/2008

Ralph,

GM = George Mason U? I seem to recall you were writing a book there.

Ergo - One may wish to remain anonymous yet "leak" the info.

Have you read and do you agree with the gang of fifteen's amicus?


Ralph E. Luker - 6/30/2008

I wasn't one of the "gang of fifteen," ergo .... I don't know what the "GM" is. To paraphrase Woody Allen, I don't know if I'd want to belong to any group that would have me.


Tom Gunn - 6/30/2008

"Back-channel gossip has it that one of the "gang of fifteen" stood in the breech and single-handedly denied Bellesilles a Pulitzer Prize."

Was it you?

Can you imagine how the historians would have looked if Michael *had* gotten a Pulitzer? What luck, eh?

It was bad enough that the Bancroft had to be rescinded. Did Michael give the money back?

I mentioned that I was in the process of getting my CCW permit. I got 4 of them now. Legal to carry concealed in ~35 states. I got my legs lengthened so my knuckles don't drag anymore.

Do you think you're having any luck denying my G-d given (glad to see you acknowledge they are G-d given) constitutionally protected rights? After Heller and all.

How about you still at GM? Have you been forgiven welcomed back into the fold?




Ralph E. Luker - 6/30/2008

Thomas, You ol' knuckle-dragger, you, where have you been? I've been over here, still tryin' to deny you your g_d-given constitutional rights. Thanks for the reference to the Young article. I hadn't seen it. You and Jim Lindgren ought to be careful about your generalizations, tho. Back-channel gossip has it that one of the "gang of fifteen" stood in the breech and single-handedly denied Bellesilles a Pulitzer Prize.


Tom Gunn - 6/30/2008

Ralph!

Long time no read! I see things haven't changed much.

Odd that you didn't reference this from February's HNN:

http://hnn.us/articles/47238.html

"Admiration for historical scholarship is fleeting, when you disagree with it."

It sure is. Remember how badly Michael got roasted? How many of the gang signed onto that load? My memory is not what it used to be but didn't Clayton and Jim have something to do with that?

Now you have that Young dude correcting the gang of fifteen®. Dang just no rest for the wicked.

I won't congratulate you for hanging on to your ideologies I'll just wait for history to catch up. Wouldn't want to rush to judgment, like I did with Michael.

Have a nice day and don't let all those redneck gun toting bitter cling to their religion yahoos trouble you. I bet they are not allowed near the ivory tower.





tg


Dave Stone - 6/27/2008

Why would India support torture? I'd hazard that it's

1) a long-running and bloody insurgency in Kashmir, which the Indian public would see as largely perpetrated by Pakistani-sponsored foreign infiltrators, not belonging to the Indian nation and hence outside protection

2) multiple long-running and bloody domestic insurgencies (Nagaland, the Naxalites) where significant chunks of the Indian public see the perpetrators as "the other," and hence outside the sphere of sympathy. The Nagas are ethnically and culturally quite distinct from most Indians; the Naxalite movement is particularly strong among tribals--forest populations quite distinct from most Indians.

3) Strong and ongoing caste and religious divisions that make it harder to develop sympathy for those who might be victims of torture, given a perception that the potential victims don't belong to the community deserving of sympathy.