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Ron Paul has done an immense amount of good in promoting the pro-freedom, anti-war, and anti-empire message. To be sure, it is not pure libertarianism. To get a sense of what he has accomplished, however, you should read Brian Doherty's cover story in the February Reason magazine. Here's a key part, describing an appearance in Iowa:
[I]t's all classic Ron Paul: Get rid of the income tax and replace it with nothing; find the money to support those dependent on Social Security and Medicare by shutting down the worldwide empire, while giving the young a path out of the programs; don't pass a draft; have a foreign policy of friendship and trade, not wars and subsidies. He attacks the drug war, condemning the idea of arresting people who have never harmed anyone else's person or property. He stresses [note well] the disproportionate and unfair treatment minorities get from drug law enforcement. One of his biggest applause lines, to my astonishment, involves getting rid of the Federal Reserve....
He wraps up the speech with three things he doesn't want to do that sum up the Ron Paul message First,"I don't want to run your life. We all have different values. I wouldn't know how to do it, I don't have the authority under the Constitution, and I don't have the moral right." Second:"I don't want to run the economy. People run the economy in a free society." And third:" I don't want to run the world.... We don't need to be imposing ourselves around the world."
Doherty goes on to note,"Paul does not mention abortion or immigration...."
(I am glad he stresses that the drug war is an atrocity, with members of minorities bearing the brunt. But even here there is ambiguity. Does he oppose only the federal drug war? Or would he oppose prohibition by the states too. He is not always clear. Often he says it's a state matter.)
I quote this at length because most of us have never heard Ron Paul's stump speech. It is clear to me that if you only see Ron Paul on cable news or in televised debates, you do not get the full picture of his campaign.
Having said this, there are obviously areas where Ron Paul does not take anything close to the libertarian position. Immigration is one example. (I'll leave aside the especially contentious abortion issue, except to say I disagree with Ron Paul.) My views on immigration are readily available on the web, so I won't rehash them here. It seems to me Ron Paul takes the position he does because of his attachment to national sovereignty, about which more below. Let me point out just one difficulty that his position creates for the rest of his pro-freedom philosophy. Ron Paul has promised to pardon everyone who has been convicted of nonviolent drug offenses. In other words, he doesn't think one should be punished for breaking the drug laws. I assume he believes that legislation which violates the natural law of liberty is illegitimate. That's a proper libertarian position. Logically, he should also promise to pardon anyone who has violated the immigration laws because, like the drug laws, they are state restrictions on behavior that violates no one's person or property. Moreover, he has praised the civil disobedience of Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks. Ron Paul needs to reconcile this contradiction. To his credit, he opposes a national ID and a wall on the border. I presume he would oppose eminent domain to force property owners on the Texas-Mexican border to let a wall be built.
Ron Paul has taken other positions, or at least implied other positions, that conflict with his overall message. If you look at the issues list at his campaign website you will find no section on international trade. Trade is mentioned only in the section on"American Independence and Sovereignty." In that section you find the words"I like free trade," both in print and in a video, but that is all he says in favor of free trade. They are overshadowed by his Lou Dobbs-style remarks condemning the the multinational organizations that threaten"our independence as a nation." On the site and in the debates he never explicitly distinguishes free trade and its undeniable benefits from those organizations. He never praises imports and open markets or points out that exports are the price we pay for goods from abroad. He never embraces the international division of labor. The overall message is one of suspicion of engagement with foreigners. Nowhere do you get a sense that NAFTA and WTO are bad because they may stand in the way of total free trade. You certainly don't hear calls for a unilateral and unconditional repeal of all U.S. trade restrictions.
Ron Paul's position on trade is not helped by his alarm on the alleged NAFTA highway, which he describes as part of a government plan to dissolve the borders within North America. Suffice it say that there is no such plot. (See this.) It's great to oppose eminent domain, but it's damaging to hitch that cause to imagined blueprints for a super North American government. In other respects, however, dissolving the political borders would be a good thing because that would permit free trade and free movement.
Ron Paul is also doing a poor job of presenting the free-market position on medicine. His website has some generally good, if vague, statements, but how many people read them? When he's been asked about medical care on television, he sounds anything but libertarian. Mostly I've heard him say that if we weren't spending billions of dollars on the empire"we could take care of our people at home." That Dennis Kucinich's line. Maybe he means the money could be left in the taxpayers' pockets, but he never says that.
Look at the opportunity he's missing. He's a doctor! He should be pointing out that pervasive government regulation of medicine and insurance has virtually destroyed the medical marketplace. I've heard him say nothing to debunk the calls for a government-paid system, mandatory insurance, or the other unlibertarian positions the other candidates take.
He's missing another opportunity with energy. In response to the fascist central planning of energy proposed by the other GOP candidates, Ron Paul said ... nothing. There are great free-market lessons to be drawn. Why isn't he drawing them?
This reminds me a general point. Ron Paul's position on empire and the Fed are great. I'm glad he pounds away at them because they outrageously burden regular people. Moreover, he is right to point out that these issues affect many others. But he can go too far in doing that. The erosion of the dollar certainly is part of the explanation for why medical care and energy are more costly. But there are specific reasons as well, such as regulation. If all Ron Paul does is tie every issue back to empire and the Fed, people will think he knows nothing of other issues. They may even doubt his single-cause explanation for all the ills in the world.
I don't think I am nitpicking. Medical care, trade, and energy are issues people talk about. In the debate the other night, Mitt Romney promised to"protect every job in America." Where was Ron Paul? There is no reason not to clearly endorse free markets here. He should be channeling Henry Hazlitt. No one should mistake Ron Paul for Lou Dobbs or Pat Buchanan.
Ron Paul did not do well in what is regarded as the most libertarian state in the U.S., New Hampshire. That may signal the end of the campaign, although surprises could lie ahead, in Nevada possibly. If the campaign goes on, there is time to make adjustments so that the program is even more clearly pro-freedom. I don't fault him for his emphasis on constitutionalism. One cannot treat a presidential campaign as a seminar in the fundamentals of libertarianism. Ron Paul is using the Constitution as short hand for limiting government power. I have strong reservations about that approach, but I can understand it in an election appeal. It's for the rest of us to fill out the story for those newly interested in the libertarian philosophy.
I've left the newsletter scandal for last, and here things get difficult. I doubt that Ron Paul ever held the odious views expressed in those newsletters. No one has come forward to claim that Ron Paul has ever spoken that way. Those views are certainly not reflected in his platform. My hunch is that over the years he has put his confidence in the wrong people. He may have had a sense of what was going on, but did not want to know the details. This doesn't absolve him of responsibility, but it does mean that he is not to be put in the same category as the author(s) and anyone else who had a hand in putting out such garbage in his name.
That said, I wish Ron Paul would more fully explain what went on. When did he first learn of the offensive material and what did he do about it? Most important, are the people responsible still advising him? He wouldn't even have to name names to answer these questions.
I continue to think that Ron Paul's campaign can make a contribution to the cause of freedom. As I've written before, it helps if libertarians speak the language of the people around them."Ron Paul" still means: End the war now and expand freedom by shrinking the government. Yet I remain concerned over the newsletter issue. This is not a matter of getting to the bottom of the episode or rendering judgment on Ron Paul. It's bigger than that. It's about protecting the libertarian philosophy and movement from association with bigotry. That is no small matter. Ron Paul has made himself a portal to libertarianism. His campaign has become a first contact with the movement for many people. It would be a disaster if just as people were discovering it they were given reason to associate it with racism and other bigotry. People make nonrational associations all the time. Most people don't have the time to systematically study the libertarian philosophy and its noble heritage. They will form impressions based on things that drift into their range of vision, not taking the time to go below the surface. Hopefully, the newcomers who hear about the newsletters and then hear Ron Paul's repudiation of the views expressed will believe him and not associate racism and anti-gay sentiment with libertarians. But we can't count on that. So the rest of us will have to find ways to explain that those views represent the opposite of libertarianism.
Ron Paul could help by giving a more complete explanation.
I appreciate your comment, Less. We have mostly common ground. I do have to say that I don't think Randy Barnett's WSJ article gave *the public* the impression that libertarianism is compatible with aggressive war.
Bill Woolsey -
1/15/2008
In the last week or so, I have read a good bit of anit-paleo invective claiming that these folks are not really libertarians and/or that they should be run out of the movement.
Over the last 6 years or so, I have heard plenty of invective from Paleos claiming that liberventionists aren't really libertarians and should be run out of the movement.
Isn't JR's point obivious? If someone believes that Barnett remains a libertarian and should not be run out of the movement, but thinks that Rockwell is responsible for the racist remarks in the newsletters and for that reason should be rhetorically purged, then what are they saying?
Racist invective is worse that supporting immoral wars. Boaz's remarks on the controversy look to be subject to this critique. But that involves attributing to Boaz the fact that Cato didn't "purge" liberventionists like Lindsey.
In JR-invectivese, this comes out as sardonic racial jokes being worse than mass murder.
Sheldon Richman -
1/15/2008
Are you talking to me? I was in the forefront of the public refutation of Barnett's article. I don't get this line of inquiry at all. It sounds like misdirection. Do we really have to choose between racists and warmongers?
Anthony Gregory -
1/15/2008
Less writes: "(2) Libertarianism DOES have a far, far more damaging association with coercion: for example, until recently, non-libertarians of my acquaintance did not think libertarianism implied any specific foreign policy. Ron Paul has now seriously tainted libertarianism and associated it with anti-war and anti-empire views: I am afraid we may never be able to remove the stain of peace and non-intervention from our public image. :)
For 30 years, I have been frustrated that Randolph Bourne's insight wasn't a central theme for libertarians, and nothing could possibly overcome my gratitude to Dr. Paul for taking punch after punch in debates and interviews to advance a message that no libertarian before him has ever so successfully communicated to the population, especially to young people. He has completely changed the public image of libertarianism with respect to war and foreign policy."
Absolutely. Ron Paul's focus on foreign policy alone makes him a hero of the libertarian movement. Before Ron Paul, people asked me what libertarians thought of war, and why some seemed to support it. Now millions of Americans have been exposed to the message that peace and freedom go together.
Less Antman -
1/15/2008
By the way, you made the same point in your post about the good Paul has done in point 2, although it did, in effect, contradict the later question you asked Jeff Riggenbach about whether there was really any danger of libertarianism being associated with coercion. I'm guessing you might already have modified your view on that point.
Less Antman -
1/15/2008
You're right, Sheldon, but that is why I attached it to Kevin's comment, as I thought it was responsive to his "more disturbing possibility." I did, of course, then expand greatly upon my response to add comments I thought were worth discussing, and which went far afield from your original post. Sorry, but I'm not in a position to originate an entry, which might have been more appropriate. I am, however, delighted with the discussion that has ensued.
At this point, I don't see anyone defending the writings themselves. At the same time, the areas where we (might) disagree include my views that:
(1) Not wanting libertarianism to be associated with racism is a totally different issue than whether libertarians should associate with racists.
(2) Libertarianism DOES have a far, far more damaging association with coercion: for example, until recently, non-libertarians of my acquaintance did not think libertarianism implied any specific foreign policy. Ron Paul has now seriously tainted libertarianism and associated it with anti-war and anti-empire views: I am afraid we may never be able to remove the stain of peace and non-intervention from our public image. :)
For 30 years, I have been frustrated that Randolph Bourne's insight wasn't a central theme for libertarians, and nothing could possibly overcome my gratitude to Dr. Paul for taking punch after punch in debates and interviews to advance a message that no libertarian before him has ever so successfully communicated to the population, especially to young people. He has completely changed the public image of libertarianism with respect to war and foreign policy.
(3) The level of upset over the newsletters is far out of proportion with the long-term harm that will result (the immigration ad was far more damaging and relevant to the issue of misrepresenting libertarianism), and the realized opportunities of the Paul campaign are much greater than the lost ones.
(4) Right now, our best response is to drop this issue and get engaged ourselves in communicating with Paul supporters who are open to libertarian persuasion, in the blogosphere, the print media, and on campuses (depending on our personal situations).
(5) Going forward, we should talk about what organizations might effectively draw in some of those softened up by the Paul campaign. Depending on interests, I have encouraged some to look at the LP, to subscribe to "In Brief", to browse theadvocates.org, and to read Mary Ruwart's HEALING OUR WORLD. I've even suggested some check out the Liberty & Power blog, hoping it will someday get back to discussing libertarianism. ;)
Uh, oh, I fear I have again written a comment that might better start a new discussion.
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/14/2008
Nothing is going to convert "the broad American public" to libertarianism. Wake up.
JR
Stephan Kinsella -
1/14/2008
So, you'd prefer a racist who wants to use the state to enforce his odious views, to one who does not. Interesting preferences. Very "cosmopolitan."
John Kunze -
1/14/2008
Do we want to convert a few outright bigots into libertarians even if we can't change their bigotry? Certainly not if the cost is to lose our public platform to convert the broad American public.
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/14/2008
But people like Randy Barnett don't do anything potentially harmful to the movement when they cheer on the murder and the destruction of private property and go on calling themselves "libertarians"?
JR
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/14/2008
And how do you feel about racial bigots and homophobes being libertarians? Would you like to see them abandon any thoughts of using the State to enforce their agenda and embrace a purely voluntary society - even if they retained their racial prejudice and their homophobia in the process?
JR
Sheldon Richman -
1/14/2008
Among other things, we are interested in generating interest in libertarianism. Lots of other things follow from that. Not sounding like a racial bigot is one. Not longing for the days when gays had to hide their identity for fear of physical abuse even by cops is another. (I'd like blacks and gays to be libertarians.) I'm sure I could some up with a few more.
Bill Woolsey -
1/14/2008
I don't know how the campaign intends to spend the 20 millon or so it raised. But I hope they spend it on radio and TV ads.
I have heard Paul radio ads many times and I have seen one TV ad.
The radio adds I heard were good.
Another libertarian economics professor heard two radio ads in November that led him to write me saying he coudn't vote for Paul. He said that one on trade sounded like it could have been written by Ross Perot and the one of Immigration was border line racist.
The TV ad I saw was the immigration one that many libertrians have been complaining about. It shows the guy swimming and so on.
I don't favor open borders at this time. I see it is a compromise on my part.
For the most part, the arguments Paul uses against immigration are OK with
me.
I didn't see the NAFTA highway one as being about immigration, but rather about trade.
It is the stuff about exploited labor, jobs with benefits gone, and foriegn competitors attacking jobs that bothered me.
I don't want the Paul campaign to be more radical. It is more than radical enough.
I don't want them arguing against trade agreemements because they destroy jobs. I don't want them arguing against immigration because it destroys jobs.
That is spreaing anti-libertarian propaganda.
They can oppose immigration or even "free trade" agreements for other reasons, if they want, and I don't find it all that offensive.
Sheldon Richman -
1/14/2008
They didn't strike me as jokes. But that aside, I agree that bombing a person (or cheering it on) is far worse that slurring him. Why is that relevant in the current controversy? I don't recall anyone ranking warmongers ahead of bigots on a morality scale. The ghost-writer(s) did something potentially harmful to the movement and Ron Paul. That's my concern. No one has yet shown me that this is not a valid concern.
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/14/2008
And I don't see why avoiding offending people should be a high priority at all. Are we interested in the truth, here? Or in tiptoeing around the delicate sensibilities of people who can't grow up and face the fact that sometimes other people will offend them?
JR
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/14/2008
What I'm suggesting, Sheldon, is that cheering the murder of innocent people and the destruction of their property by bombing is considerably more objectionable than making sardonic jokes about black people.
JR
Sheldon Richman -
1/14/2008
I see this as a serious matter, not as evidence of preoccupation. I guess it's in the eye of the beholder.
Sheldon Richman -
1/14/2008
Speaking of definitions, when the rift between the cosmos and the paleos erupted, the cosmos were labeled "modal libertarians." I don't recall that term's ever being defined, but the implication was that these were libertarians who were slaves to political correctness because they were chasing approval of the elite. The brush was applied rather broadly, and evidence was not high priority. I never could see what was wrong with libertarians' making sure they presented themselves in a way that did not offend people unnecessarily, you know, the opposite of what the ghost-writer(s) did.
Sheldon Richman -
1/14/2008
Jeff, the line you quote at the top of your comment is mine, not Mark's. When Randy Barnett endorsed the war, many libertarians pounced. I hope you're not suggesting there is a double standard.
Mark Brady -
1/14/2008
Anthony is correct that I was quoting Sheldon but did not put his entire paragraph within quotation marks. (The reason was that Sheldon's paragraph itself contained a quotation.)
I then sought to reply to Sheldon's question to Jeff. I'd guess that Jeff would concur with my response.
That's the problem with email and comments on the Web. It can very easily lead to misunderstandings.
Stephan Kinsella -
1/14/2008
Jeff, fair point. But please note I meant to identify a PC subset of the libertarian left, not to imply that the libertarian left *are* all PC. In fact, over the past few years I've grown less averse to the libertarian left, and even agree and identify with many of their perspectives. The "PC" types I'm referring to may not even be left; but I do believe they are steeped in political correctness.
Karen De Coster -
1/14/2008
"Who's preoccupied?"
Sheldon --
Do you think these threads would be happening were it not for the *preoccupation* of the No-Evidence Lynch Mob? I keep seeing this preoccupation with "paleos," without seeing that term defined. Is that a bit convenient, perhaps?
David T. Beito -
1/14/2008
In the next century, in both moral and practical terms it would be fatal for libertarianism to be associated with any hint of bigorty. Our society is become increasingly multi-racial and mixed. Whites will become a minority and an ever smaller one than that. This is the future of libertarianism and, in this sense, the cosmos have a very valid point. Libertarianism needs to embrace this new society fully....and hopefully be ahead of the curve.
For this reason, I am happy that Paul's campaign is doing so more in this direction by emphasizing issues like the drug war and condemning all forms of racial collectivism. It needs to do even more than this during the remaining months. I would hope the campaign would start running more commercials on civil liberties, the bill of rights, and fewer on immigration.
Anthony Gregory -
1/14/2008
I think the first part was mistakenly put outside a quotation mark, when it was actually part of a quotation.
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/14/2008
"I've yet to see any of the cosmos here define 'paleo.' I do not think I've ever described myself as a paleo, yet I have been repeatedly (and falsely) labeled this, as well as a bigot (more defamation) in recent days, showing the pure ignorance and malice that animates the PC libertarian left."
Gee, what I'd like is a definition of the incoherent anti-concept, "PC libertarian left." The libertarian left I've been associated with for the past twenty years or more is by no stretch of the imagination "PC."
JR
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/14/2008
Mark Brady writes:
"Jeff, we don't really need to protect it [libertarianism] from an association with coercion, do we?"
Then, a few lines further down, he writes:
"I don't want the libertarian philosophy and movement to be associated with bigotry. However, I suggest we also don't want it associated with coercion of any sort directed at anyone, whether they be American citizens or foreigners. Which is why, of course, so many of us are unhappy with Ron Paul's emphasis on immigration control. And why so many of us, not least your good self, are just as concerned with how numerous people have over the past several years defended support for a policy of foreign aggression as compatible with what they choose to call libertarianism and classical liberalism."
Is any reply from me necessary?
JR
Stephan Kinsella -
1/14/2008
Of course, all of us libertarians, Steve, oppose bigotry as well as the racism and slavery of the 19th century. Well, that is, the anarcho-capitalists among us, at least, oppose slavery. The others endorse at least a partial form of slavery (taxation, conscription, obedience to the inevitable illiberal laws that any real-world state is bound to enact, etc.).
I've yet to see any of the cosmos here define "paleo". I do not think I've ever described myself as a paleo, yet I have been repeatedly (and falsely) labeled this, as well as a bigot (more defamation) in recent days, showing the pure ignorance and malice that animates the PC libertarian left. From what I've seen of this useless "cosmopolitan" definition, I'm myself a cosmopolitan libertarian. So this attack on the "paleos" is silly and dishonest. More than that, when done by obviously intelligent libertarians, I think it is downright evil--they are using the state's PC thought-control to harm and silence fellow libertarians. Shame.
Anthony Gregory -
1/14/2008
What gives you any reason to think Paul will spend millions promoting it? The Ron Paul Revolution is far larger than the official campaign or any one campaign group. It's a decentralized, grassroots effort of many people acting in spontaneous order — not all of them are full libertarians, including on immigration. But do you think we'll soon see a mass movement of millions of opponents of any border protection whatsoever? I'd love to see it, but I doubt we will. I'd also point out that almost no libertarians with much of a public face are correct on all issues -- prisons, IP, police, socialist provision of national defense. Unfortunately, very few people are correct on even important matters like these. But when someone whose main focus is on war and central banking and civil liberties excites and inspires more Americans than have ever been inspired by that consistent a libertarian, how can I help but cheer?
I do hope something comes along that's even better and more popular and more radical one day. But in the context of actual events in this country, I think it's a little unfair to compare the Ron Paul phenomenon to an imagined ideal and conclude that it's been a lost opportunity.
Anthony Gregory -
1/14/2008
On immigration, his campaign has been inconsistent. And I agree the ads are terrible.
Whenever he actually speaks on the issue, he doesn't defend roundups and crackdowns on employers.
Steven Horwitz -
1/14/2008
Nicely put Mark. It's not a choice - they are complementary goods. A true cosmopolitanism rejects both bigotry and the warfare state as being antithetical to truly liberal/libertarian goals. It was the same people who rejected racism and slavery in the 19th century who also rejected imperialism. That should be us today as well.
Mark Brady -
1/14/2008
I'm happy to clarify my previous post. I certainly don't think Sudha's thoughtful post is evidence she is preoccupied with the affair of the Ron Paul newsletters. And that goes for all those people here and elsewhere who have raised good questions about Jamie Kurchick's article and challenged some of the conclusions that others have drawn about the Ron Paul newsletters.
That said, there are a great many self-identified libertarians out there on the blogosphere who seem obsessed with this topic. In part that's because they don’t know any better, not understanding that the essence of libertarianism is not opposition to "bigotry" but an unshamed defense of individual liberty, central to which is uncompromising opposition to "war making and state making as organized crime" (to use the felicitous title of Charles Tilly's 1985 essay). And in part that's because they do know better but mistakenly believe that the surest road to success is to mollify elite and public opinion, and are therefore embarrassed by outspoken opposition to war, taxation and central banking, which they fear will reduce the effectiveness of their own "softly, softly" approach. I'm not suggesting, of course, that all such people fall neatly into one or other category.
My concern is that the baby, i.e., principled advocacy of the individual liberty of everyone everywhere (the sort of cosmopolitanism that I hope we would all support) and principled opposition to the state, will be thrown out with the bathwater, i.e, bigotry, that I want to see gone but which I don't conflate with libertarianism.
Sheldon Richman -
1/13/2008
Who's preoccupied?
Mark Brady -
1/13/2008
This sounds pretty awful. May we all, the Ron Paul campaign included, get back to issues of war and peace.
Bill Woolsey -
1/13/2008
A week ago Saturday, (a couple of days before the newsletter issue hit the mainstream media,) I went by the local Ron Paul headquarters to pick up some yardsigns and literature. I was supposed to go door-to-door. (And I did that afternoon.)
Our receptionist (headquarters is staffed full time,) told me that a new flier had just come in. She and some volunteer were looking at it. I grabbed a few and took them with me.
The next day, I took a look. Glossy, and well produced, the front is a picture of Paul and "Join Ron Paul in Protecting America's Sovereignity." The back is a flag that combines that of the U.S., Mexico, and Canada and says, "Will you stop the invasion."
Open the flyer, and there are two panels with a map of the U.S. and Mexico and a small strip of Canada. There are roads and railroads on the map going from cities in Mexico up to cities in Canada. "NAFTA's Superhighway is headed straight for Americas heartland. Only you can vote to stop it."
On the map (in the atlantic ocean,) there is more text. "The Superhighway means an end to America as we know and love it. It is the final step in eroding our sovereignity and the merging of Mexico, America, and Canada."
There are then several bullets. The first refers to eminent domain. It says that million of citizens will be displaced (numbers which I find hard to believe.)
But that isn't the problem..
Next bullet-- Good jobs with benefits--gone.
Then-- Exploited labor--ushered in.
Then it says Americas borders--obliterated and Terrorists and Illegal aliens--free to enter.
It goes on to say that's why Paul opposes the Superhighway.
The panel next to the map has a letter from Ron Paul. The first paragraph attacks the WTO and NAFTA as so called "free trade," that transfer power from our government to unelected foreign elites.
What really concerns me is that the next paragraph concludes with, "If anything, the WTO makes trade relations worse by giving foreign competitors a new way to attack U.S. jobs."
The article goes on to attack a direct UN tax. "Paul" concludes by calling for a withdraw from any organization or trade deal that ifringe upon the freedom and independence of the U.S.
There is another Panel which has a quote from Paul. It says that the NAFTA Superhighway is just one part of a plan to erase the borders between the U.S., Canada and Mexico....A free America, with a limited consitutional government, would be gone forever."
This was very disheartening to me.
I think improved roads are good, (though eminent domain and tax finance are downsides.)
I am not worried about a North American Union being implemented.
But that wasn't the problem.
It is the business about losing good jobs, exploited labor, competitors attacking U.S. jobs.
Ron Paul supports unilateral free trade. This flier mentions nothing about that. If unilaterial free trade has the impact we hope, it will destroy (and create) more jobs than "managed trade." While I could imagine that unilateral free trade could backfire and reduce trade (because the other countries increase protectionism) and so reduce trade induced changes in employment patterns, I certainly hope not.
This flyer panders to Buchanite trade protectionists. And it is dishonest.
I worry that Paul will spend millions promoting this stuff.
Mark Brady -
1/13/2008
Sheldon writes,
I'm not sure this is responsive to my post, Les. I wrote, "This is not a matter of getting to the bottom of the episode or rendering judgment on Ron Paul. It's bigger than that. It's about protecting the libertarian philosophy and movement from association with bigotry." (Jeff, we don't really need to protect it from an association with coercion, do we?)
Well, like you and pretty much every other poster at this website, I don't want the libertarian philosophy and movement to be associated with bigotry. However, I suggest we also don't want it associated with coercion of any sort directed at anyone, whether they be American citizens or foreigners. Which is why, of course, so many of us are unhappy with Ron Paul's emphasis on immigration control. And why so many of us, not least your good self, are just as concerned with how numerous people have over the past several years defended support for a policy of foreign aggression as compatible with what they choose to call libertarianism and classical liberalism. Unfortunately, the noble cause of individual liberty IS right now associated with coercion. Yet so many of the people who know better and, one would hope, would be doing their utmost to work to sever that identification between liberty and coercion are preoccupied with the affair of the Ron Paul newsletters, often because they know no better. Would you not agree?
Steven Horwitz -
1/13/2008
Bill wrote:
"How many of those involved in this debate right now are hoping to separate the Ron Paul Revolution from the Paleo faction? How about the recent claims by the Paleos that it was other libertarians (Cato, and maybe Tom Palmer specifically) who instigated the TNR article? Do they really believe it? Or does this just show how they understand the stakes?"
Excellent Bill, especially the last line. It has come as no surprise that the paleos are blaming this on the "beltway libertarians" and their desire for resources and power in the policy world (as if I, 500 miles away with a job at a private university, have anything material to gain by this). The cannot seriously believe that the "cosmos" would intentionally torpedo Paul, knowing that the blowback would affect *anyone* who called him or herself a libertarian. That's just irrational.
The better explanation is Bill's - they know the stakes and they know who does stand to lose from this. Namely, them.
For what it's worth, I think the emergence of the newsletters is a golden opportunity to draw some distance between the paleos and the rest of the libertarian movement. In no way would I have ever intentionally done something to damage the Paul campaign (other than express my disagreements with it, which I did), but given that this has happened, I have no problem seeing it as the opportunity it is.
There will be short-term damage to libertarians because of this, but if people who find the paleo take to be a real problem step up and say so, in the long run we'll be healthier for it.
Sheldon Richman -
1/13/2008
Oops. Less.
Sheldon Richman -
1/13/2008
Compared to what? Compared to a campaign that comes to the defense of poor vulnerable migrants who are threatened in their sleep by ICE raids and of businessmen who are harassed for offering employment to them. Ron Paul may oppose the national ID and the wall, but his position on immigration logically commits him to those measures. That ugly television commercial said it all.
Bill Woolsey -
1/13/2008
Gee Jeff,
Were you one of the ghost writers?
I don't think any of the remarks were humorous. I found Virkalla's claim that the writing was supposed to be humorous puzzling.
Speaking of Virkalla, is it correct that Rothbard thought that bashing "the underclass," would help in building a pro-liberty movement during the 1989-1992 period?
I think we all know that he thought that after the end of the cold war, the "old right" could be recreated, and advocated alliances with paleo-conservatives. Some of the paleo-conservatives are racists. Others are anti-semites. And those are the intellectuals and scholars. What about the average people who are supposed to be attracted to paleo-conservatism? Did Rothbard believe that bashing the underclass would appeal to these people? (If Rothbard believed it, I don't doubt that those who followed the Paleo-turn would develop a propaganda line consistent with the the guru's new strategy.)
Surely, it is likely that the Paleos intend that all the Ron Paul supporters will be indoctrinated into their camp and that part of that indoctrination will be attacks on all the other factions of the libertarian movement. (You know, the rest of us all support the War in Iraq, are gay, or at least promiscous, smoke pot, etc.)
Who is going to get the fundraising lists developed by this campaign? What propaganda will the "Revolutionaries" be sent?
Surely, it is likely, that if those who are slated to pick up the pieces of this movement are identified as people who created this embarrassment 15 years ago, this plan will be more difficult to carry out.
How many of those involved in this debate right now are hoping to separate the Ron Paul Revolution from the Paleo faction? How about the recent claims by the Paleos that it was other libertarians (Cato, and maybe Tom Palmer specifically) who instigated the TNR article? Do they really believe it? Or does this just show how they understand the stakes?
By the way, it is a good thing that the Paul campaign is instisting that he is not, and never has been, a racist, and the people who wrote this stuff are being hidden. Imagine if instead the line was, "All true Paulistas would agree with the remarks, and should continue to follow the line given by... well, Rockwell is the prime candidate these days.
Sheldon Richman -
1/13/2008
I'm not sure this is responsive to my post, Les. I wrote, "This is not a matter of getting to the bottom of the episode or rendering judgment on Ron Paul. It's bigger than that. It's about protecting the libertarian philosophy and movement from association with bigotry." (Jeff, we don't really need to protect it from an association with coercion, do we?)
What's of interest is not whom Ron Paul hangs out with. It's that these friends apparently used his good name to plant a little time bomb in the middle of the libertarian movement. How could they have not known that it would explode some day? Now it has, and it not only has tainted his candidacy, it has also tainted the rest of us. I'd rather not have to explain to newcomers and the curious what ought to be self-evident, that libertarianism and bigotry do not go together. Thanks a lot, unnamed Ron Paul ghost-writer(s).
Jeff Riggenbach -
1/13/2008
Bravo, Less! I've been having great difficulty during this tempest in a teapot wrapping my mind around the apparent belief of a great many "libertarians" that it is somehow more frightful, more heinous, to make sardonic jokes about black people than it is to advocate theft, unjust imprisonment, and mass murder. Did I miss a meeting?
JR
Mark Brady -
1/13/2008
Hear! Hear!
Less Antman -
1/13/2008
I find myself squirming a little at the supposed unacceptability of Paul continuing to associate with people holding racist views.
Many years ago, my wife paid my a compliment about my tolerance of others. Her remark was that I seemed to be so tolerant that I was even tolerant of intolerant people.
I have many friends who hold pretty frightening views: people who think taxes are okay, that drug users should go to prison, that a powerful military needs to clean up the Middle East, that a single payer health care system should be implemented by the government, and that nobody should object to a national ID card if they have nothing to hide, not to mention the odd religious beliefs of many of them. I remain friends with all these people and won't disown them. If my only friendships were with people who agreed with my moral code, I would be a very lonely man.
I think Andrew Sullivan made a perceptive comment about Paul, that his unwillingness to disassociate from racists is part of his general refusal to impose his views on others. I don't find this to be a character weakness (please remember that the presumption in all this is that Paul himself does not hold the views in question, which I think a fair assumption, else he would have slipped at least once in 3 decades of public speaking).
Certainly, there have been some lost opportunities in this campaign: the main one is when the focus on peace, non-intervention, and civil liberties disappeared sometime in December, to be replaced with campaign ads focused on either national sovereignty or nothing at all.
But when I watch the debates, I still think he is helping the cause, and that there are many young people on campuses who will become libertarians, and some extremely hard core libertarians, and will look back on Ron Paul as the catalyst for their examination of it.
The lost opportunity that concerns me is an absence of contact by hard core libertarians with Paul supporters who are not so. I wish there more market anarchists on Ron Paul Forums and the Daily Paul, talking about the issues and providing the intellectual ammunition for full frontal liberty. Every day, there are people on these forums asking for help in formulating arguments, and there are so many people on this and other libertarian forums who could be guiding these people in the right direction, without endorsing Ron Paul, but without dissing him either.
Kevin B. O'Reilly -
1/12/2008
Well, I think it says something that Ron won't talk about it and his campaign won't even investigate the matter. What is the alternative explanation for why he refuses to address the issue substantively?
You seem to be giving him the benefit of the doubt. I think he needs to take more assertive steps to assuage our doubts.
Anthony Gregory -
1/12/2008
What in recent memory has done more to advance libertarianism publicly than the Ron Paul Revolution? If there are setbacks, controversies and flaws in the campaign — and there are, I fully agree — it still must be asked: What standard are you comparing this to? Is there anything else that could reasonably have been expected to have better or more widely spread the ideas of personal liberty, free economics and peace (and spread them together, with the message that they are, indeed, compatible and mutually reinforcing)? Or are we comparing the Ron Paul phenomenon to a more perfect Ron Paul phenomenon we are only imagining? In other words, what is the true lost opportunity?
Personally, I think the worst thing about the Ron Paul phenomenon has been some decisions of its official campaign. I really dislike the TV ads, for example. But even though I think there might be a way it could have possibly been better, I don't pretend that this isn't still the best thing that's happened for libertarianism in many years. Do you know how many young people have been inspired, moved and convinced by Ron Paul's message that liberty = free markets = international peace? This achievement is groundbreaking. Yes, it is very unfortunate and bad that this controversy exists. Yes, it is perhaps a lesson on the intrinsic perils and limitation of electoral politics. But we need some perspective here. A lot of young people are going to become libertarians thanks to this. Will any be turned away? Sure, as they are by many unfortunate elements of the movement that are visible to them — pandering to politicians, the opportunism, extremism, problematic alliances, inconsistencies, the personalities of think tankers and LP candidates all over the country. Perhaps even worse, people see us libertarians fighting over things, dividing and splitting over relatively minor issues while the state expands and the true cost of big government actually becomes obvious to more and more people. They see us get distracted by sectarianism and various trivialities, meanwhile even a good majority of Americans are starting to recognize the war is out of control, the politicians are lying and robbing their freedom. The reason Ron Paul has made so much more headway than anyone else is he transcends this. He is not divisive or sectarian or petty or self-centered. He is just speaking his message of liberty, sincerely from the heart, explaining how freedom should unite Americans and bring peace between them and the world — and, lo and behold, average Americans, especially the youth, are listening! They can tell he's not a BS artist.
We libertarians appear less united than the comparatively large percentage of Americans, from all walks of life, who have joined the Ron Paul Revolution for one main reason — they want their freedom, they want their money and they want peace.
This is what makes me saddest right now. It turns out that, with all the time libertarians have spent trying to figure out how to spread our message, the one that has worked better than any other is just to speak the truth, as we see it, and explain why government is messing stuff up and why freedom is the answer. And now that something is finally working many people don't just want to critique it -- healthy, open criticism is always crucial in an ideological movement -- but act as though the whole thing is a disaster.
I am not at all accusing you, Sheldon, of doing that (having agreed with many of your particular criticism of the the campaign), but I do disagree with the idea that it's a lost opportunity. I sincerely believe we are closer to having our freedom than we have been in a very long time, thanks to Ron Paul. I'd say that, overall, comparing what has happened to what might have more ideally happened nearly sounds like an accusation of market failure.
Sheldon Richman -
1/12/2008
I fear you are correct. But I don't know it. If it turns out to be true, it would be very disappointing.
Kevin B. O'Reilly -
1/12/2008
Mr. Richman, I agree entirely with your pre-newsletter assessment of Ron Paul. And I think you get the newsletter question right, up to a point. I can think of only one reason why Ron Paul hasn't given the full explanation that his supporters -- and everyone interested in his "freedom message" and the libertarian movement as a whole -- deserve.
That reason is that a full explanation would be severely damning. He may not hold racist views, but rather than disavowing any association with the folks who wrote those newsletters, what if he has continued the association? That means that while Paul may not be racist, he is tolerant of and accepting of support from people who are very close to him and who hold such vile views.
Is that acceptable? Doesn't a candidate like that do more harm than good to the cause of liberty?
Or is there another explanation for his lack of straightforwardness on this?
David T. Beito -
1/12/2008
I agree with most of this. Paul screwed up big time, not once but several times
I share many of you criticisms and questions but, warts and all, I'm sticking with Paul for two main reasons:
1. He apologized for this in 2001. Although he did not have to do it, he volunteered the info to a reporter. I see no evidence that the worst of the newsletters reflected his true views.
He should more fully explain this but I won't walk if he doesn't....although my enthusiasm will take a big hit.
2. Finally, he's clearly running the most anti-racist, pro-liberty, antiwar campaign of any GOP candidate or, for that matter, nearly every Democratic candidate. His record since the 1990s on these issues, as far as I can tell, has been excellent. What alternative is there?