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Jun 17, 2006

Debate Over?




As I see it (and as others have said before), the debate over anarchism is actually over among libertarians. Anyone who does not want a single world government is an anarchist at least at the international level. He or she apparently believes that individual governments, despite having differing legal systems, can be counted on to get along most of the time without going to war with each other (a la Hobbes), trading and otherwise cooperating instead. (If they didn't believe this, they should favor world government, or -- same thing -- an American empire.) Yet that in essence is the anarchist argument; it just hasn't been extended to the individual level yet. Free-market anarchists believe that individuals, despite having differing legal systems, can be counted on to get along most of the time without going to war with each other (a la Hobbes), trading and otherwise cooperating instead.

The internationalist anarchist may respond to the individualist anarchist by saying that we can trust governments to behave more or less constructively in an anarchist setting, but we can't trust individuals to do so. This argument is precisely upside down. There is far more reason to believe that individuals, deprived of the power of taxation and the mystique of the state, would get along than that governments would. After all, governments can socialize their costs thanks to taxation, while individuals can't. That creates perverse incentives for governments.

So isn't the debate merely about which level of anarchism is appropriate, rather than the validity of the anarchist principle itself? It reminds me of the old joke in which a woman tells a man that while she would sleep with him for a million dollars, she certainly would not sleep with him for fifty."What do you think I am?" she asks. To which he replies:"We've already established what you are, miss. Now we're only haggling over the price."

Cross-posted at Free Association.


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Roderick T. Long - 6/26/2006

Shockingly, he didn't mention the Molinari Institute either, even though it is the most prominent think tank I have ever run.


Aeon J. Skoble - 6/26/2006

It's a bad day for typos. Of course, that line is: not that there's anything wrong with that!


Aeon J. Skoble - 6/26/2006

Hey, at least you guys got mentioned! Reason Papers didn't even get the courtesy of being misrepresented! I'll bet I'm more dismayed to find that RP isn't a major organ than you guys are to be falsely labeled. For the record, RP isn't officially anarchist either -- not there's anything wrong with that!!


Robert Higgs - 6/26/2006

To add one more piece of evidence. I cannot speak for the Independent Institute--David Theroux is the founder and president--but I have long been affiliated with that institute, and I do edit its scholarly quarterly THE INDEPENDENT REVIEW. I can say that no one has ever led me to believe that the institute's official line is anarchism, or indeed that the institute has an official line at all, other than adherence to high scholarly standards. I can also say without fear of contradiction that many of the authors who have published articles in TIR have definitely not espoused anarchism in those writings.


Roderick T. Long - 6/25/2006

Yeah, I think Bidinotto may have a loose definition of "reigns supreme."


Sheldon Richman - 6/24/2006

For the record, The Future of Freedom Foundation is not an anarchist organization. Neither is FEE.


Sheldon Richman - 6/22/2006

Right. The "even the best government can take a turn for the worse" principle applies to government at all levels. Anarchism is the "somewhere else you can move to."


Roderick T. Long - 6/21/2006

On a blog post back in February '05, Bob Bidinotto (the guy who currently seems, alas, to be undoing the Objectivist Center's once great legacy of toleration and reasonableness) had this to say about anarchism:

Sadly, the anarchist position now reigns supreme on the staffs at virtually all the major self-defined "libertarian" organs: the Libertarian Party, Liberty magazine, Journal of Libertarian Studies, Foundation for Economic Education, Future of Freedom Foundation, The Mises Institute (Dr. Mises is probably spinning in his grave), Center for Libertarian Studies, ISIL, Libertarian Alliance, Libertarian International, Laissez Faire Books, Independent Institute, LewRockwell.com, Strike-the-Root.com and AntiWar.com, and many, many more. And though they may not (yet) dominate venerable institutions such as Cato and Reason, anarchists (and certainly "non-interventionist" libertarians) are heavily represented there, too.


The horror, the horror .... :-)


Jason T. Kuznicki - 6/19/2006

One intellectually honest and consistent reason to disfavor a world government is to note that even the best of governments can take a turn for the worse, and when they do, it's a good idea to have somewhere else you can move to. Thus I think it's possible to both believe in government and think that one-world government is a bad idea. So I'm not sure I can accept the initial premise of this post.


Mark Brady - 6/18/2006

I know one, a former colleague, who, like some other one-worlders, has a strong and genuine antiwar streak to him. And there are others. E. B. White, the author of Charlotte's Web and many other books and writings, was one. See his The Wild Flag: Editorials from The New Yorker on Federal World Government and Other Matters (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Co., 1946).


Sheldon Richman - 6/18/2006

Anyone who does not want a single world government. Are the one-worlders still around?


Mark Brady - 6/17/2006

"Anyone who does not want a single world government is an anarchist at least at the international level."

On the face of it, your statement would seem to be true of anyone, libertarian or otherwise. Would you agree?


Sheldon Richman - 6/17/2006

"As you subsequently acknowledge, there are very good reasons for believing that nations may not 'get along with each other' 'most of the time'...."

I did not acknowledge this at all. They obviously do get along most of the time. I merely said that the case for individuals mostly getting is even stronger than the case for governments mostly getting along. There's a difference.


Craig J. Bolton - 6/17/2006

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As I see it (and as others have said before), the debate over anarchism is actually over among libertarians. Anyone who does not want a single world government is an anarchist at least at the international level. He or she apparently believes that individual governments, despite having differing legal systems, can be counted on to get along most of the time without going to war with each other (a la Hobbes), trading and otherwise cooperating instead. (If they didn't believe this, they should favor world government, or -- same thing -- an American empire.) Yet that in essence is the anarchist argument; it just hasn't been extended to the individual level yet."

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I am afraid that I just don't understand the first part of this argument. [quoted above] As you subsequently acknowledge, there are very good reasons for believing that nations may not "get along with each other" "most of the time" but that individuals will. Most of those arguments have to do with free rider effects and the separation between those who make decisions and those who bear their direct results in the framework of nations.

Someone who believes that nations can get along most of the time probably just doesn't understand how nations actually work. Hence, such people are not allies of anarchists or even of nonanarchist libertarians since they are starting out from false premises regarding what a nation does and how it can and does function. [Its all a scaled up village isn't it? Well, no it isn't.]

Further, those who believe that nations generally don't get along with each other won't and don't necessarily and for that reason, as you assert, favor a world government or world empire. Every problem of having a nation except for the conflict between nations would be worsened by such a "solution." Additonally, as exemplified by the historical Roman Catholic Church, having a monopoly doesn't keep "diversity" and conflict from emerging within the monopoly.