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In all the comments on the London bombers, some key historical developments have not been mentioned (to my knowledge):
1. The real political struggle in Muslim countries between Islamic fanatics & those who are not quite so fervent. This conflict has continued for a long time, & it is purely _political_ . Islamic zealots seek powers of governance over their fellow-Muslims, to impose a specific set of highly restrictive regulations on them. These regulations embody a particular -- narrow, grim, rigid -- view of what Islam is about. From this latter standpoint, obtaining political power is a religious duty; & the field of duty for this purpose is the entire Muslim world -- the ‘ummah’. -- This view is essentially a continuing reaction against the _less_ constricting amongst _Islamic_ traditions. Under the influence of the latter, & of the more liberal amongst ‘Western’ ideas, most Muslims tend to be _relatively_ less ardent in outlook. So far, such Muslims have succeeded in retaining political power in most (not all) of the Islamic world. But the struggle continues.
Thus:- In Pakistan, the growing political power of the zealots led to the enactment of ‘sharia’ -- Islamic law -- into legislation. This allowed bigots to persecute minority Islamic groups such as the Ahmadiyya, reduce the status of women, etc. Islamic fanatics also run an entire network of ‘madrassahs’. These are not just ‘religious’ schools, for simple learning of the Koran. They are also indoctrination centres. In northern Nigeria, the imposition of ‘sharia’ -- Muslim law -- has led to continuing clashes with Christians & other non-Muslims. In Algeria an endemic civil war has continued for years, between the ‘modern’ military, & the main -- Islamicist -- political party. In Egypt, the current rulers continue to persecute more _liberal_-minded Muslims. Nevertheless, the so-called ‘Muslim Brotherhood’ have carried out (inter alia) a number of assassinations over the years -- ranging from President Sadat to (most recently) the Egyptian ambassador to Iraq. The second-in-command in Al-Qaeda is a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. The rulers of Saudi Arabia have been dominated since the 18th century, by a particularly narrow & extremely intolerant school of Islam. The Wahhabis therefore dominate in Arabia, persecute the minority Shias (inter alia), &, with lavish official funding, have spread across Pakistan & the Muslim diaspora. Even so, Osama bin Laden has long opposed the House of Saud. He has a list of ‘religious’ grievances of course -- eg, the stationing of US troops on the sacred soil of Arabia. But gaining control over its vast oil revenues is clearly his target.
2. Western governments are allies of current governments in the Islamic world, & obviously, very powerful allies. Hence Muslim extremists are also hostile towards these Western governments:- ‘my enemy’s friend is my enemy’. On the 11th September 2001, practically all the terrorists came from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, or Yemen (the last had grievances against the Saudi ruling house.) On the 7th July this year, three out of four bombers had connexions to extremist madrassahs in Pakistan; & all fell prey to extremists in Leeds. The oldest, in fact, is reported to have preached zealously against Western policies in Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. Further, the three from Leeds were apparently banned from attending regular mosques. All four were instructed & supplied by an Al-Qaeda operative (also a Pakistani-Briton) who left Britain very shortly before the 7th. Thus they were foot-soldiers -- pawns -- in the larger struggle to gain political power in the Muslim world. Ordinary people in Britain suffered grievously -- because their politicians & officials were allied to other politicians & officials -- in the Muslim world; whom the latter’s political opponents wanted to overthrow. These opponents’ message is clear: ‘We can attack even such powerful allies.’
3. For British politicians & others, this was (naturally) a case of baddies attacking the political unity of Britons. (More on this below.) Michael Howard (Tory party leader) said the “terrorists’ objective [was] dividing us one from another.” Tony Blair (the PM): “We are united…our country will not be defeated by such terror… it is to us & not to the terrorists, that victory will belong….The two minutes silence” on the 14th is “an opportunity for the nation to unite in remembrance.” He also called for “moderate & true…Islam” to be mobilised against the “extreme & evil ideology [rooted] in a perverted & poisonous misinterpretation of Islam.” The Prince of Wales asked Muslims in Britain to denounce those who “preach & practise such hatred & bitterness.” Such ideas were a “perversion of traditional Islam.” “Extremists” (he said) are “offended by…good relations between faiths & cultures”, so they “seek to break up…communities.” -- Now, earlier the PM had said: what the “terrorists” sought to “destroy” was “our values…way of life…tolerance & respect for others.” Prince Charles echoed this sentiment: if people simply condemned all Muslims in general (he said) for the acts of a “tiny & evil minority”, then “the bombers will have achieved their aim.”
In other words, the bombers killed & maimed, & died themselves -- so that _Muslims_ might be blamed. The terrorists wanted non-Muslims to hate Muslims. -- Alternatively, did the terrorists simply demonise the West? That won’t wash, either: three were born in Britain; the fourth spent all his life there; & all had families there. The 11th September terrorists had university training in the West. And the bombers in Britain used ‘military-level’ explosives -- which came apparently from the Al-Qaeda agent who organised them & built the bombs. Tony Blair himself blamed “Islamic extremist terrorists” from the outset, listing the various countries in which they had bombed innocent people. But such terrorist groups, from their very beginning decades ago, aimed at obtaining power in _Muslim_ countries. For these extremists, attacks on ‘infidels’ can only be another means to this _political_ end. So we return full circle: by allying themselves with politicians & officials in the Islamic world, politicians & officials in the Western world have become involved in their allies’ political conflicts: my friend’s enemy also turns his enmity on me. All the waffle quoted above is to divert attention from this reality -- & to rally subjects mindlessly round the flag.
1. The fanatical & extremist Islamicists who oppose current govts in the Muslim world, do so on the grounds these govts are insufficiently Islamic -- ie, they are infidels. Thus such zealous Islamic movements consist of charismatic leaders & fanatical followers, committed totally to these leaders & to their particular vision of Islam, & full of hatred for the infidel govts now ruling the islamic world. Thus it cannot be a question of 'recruiting' anyone; rather it is a question of what these leaders order their totally-committed followers to do. -- This has always been the pattern of such Islamic zealotry throughout Islamic history. The leader-followers relationship is _not_ bloodlessly political; it is fanatical religious commitment. These are religious leaders with a zealously committed religious following. That is why a Shia cleric could stop Shias from participating.
2. Those ruling groups in Lebanon who had called in Israeli or other Western support (on whatever scale) -- were therefore doubly apostate in Islamicist eyes. Once these groups were weakened, Islamicist leaders turned to other tactics. Their followers followed.
David Timothy Beito -
7/20/2005
To be fair to Pape, his main focus does not appear to be on the motivations of the leaders of movements which use suicide bombers. Rather he is concerned with measuring their ability to attract recruits. His main claim seems to be that the supply of recruits tends to dry up unless spurred by grievance of foreign troops. Thus, he might say that while Sunnis continued to use suicide bombing in Lebannon after the Israelis left, their ability to find recruits diminished.
Sudha Shenoy -
7/20/2005
Sorry - forgot about Lebanon. The Shia bombers stopped after a senior cleric forbade bombing. Sunni bombers contd.
Sudha Shenoy -
7/20/2005
1. The so-called Tamil areas contain Sinhalese, Tamil Muslims & others; in many districts Sinhalese & Tamil Muslims together are a majority. More than 1/3 of all Tamils live throughout Sri Lanka. The Tamil Tigers are a specifically Jaffna phenomenon (Jaffna is in the extreme north); Batticola Tamils (on the east coast) & Colombo Tamils reject the LTTE. The latter have ethnically cleaned out the Tamil Muslims & the Sinhalese from the 3 or 4 districts they control (in the north.)The Tigers also assassinate Tamil leaders who oppose them.
2. The Sri Lankan Tamils have lived in Sri Lanka since at least the 12th century, if not earlier, along with the Sinhalese. Sri Lanka has been ruled as a single entity since 1815, when the British finally defeated the King of Kandy.
3. Putting 1 & 2 togther: it is rather a case of a ruling group being challenged by a would-be ruling group, in particular areas only.
David Timothy Beito -
7/19/2005
I don't know very much about Pape's methodology.
However, based on what I heard, I think that Pape would argue that the perceived outside intervention in Sri Lanka (at least as perceived by the Tamils) are the occupation of Tamil areas by the central government which they do not recognize. In other words, he would argue that objections foreign occupation (broadly conceived and for an array of reasons) is a common motivation of suicide bombers.
He uses the Lebannon example. Pape argues that suicide bombing essentially ended after the withdrawal of Israeli troops and the PLO. The reason was that the pro-bombing organizations were no longer able to attract sufficient recruits because the main grievance had been removed.
Sudha Shenoy -
7/19/2005
1. No suicide bombers have made any 'demands' anywhere -- not the Tamil Tigers, not al-Qaeda, none. The message goes to those whom these groups _oppose_: the Sri Lanka govt, the govts of Muslim countries. These govts know well enough what is reqd of them -- more concessions to Tamil Tigers, more restrictive Islamic regulations. Thus the bombings are not self-contained: they are part of a continuing process of political bargaining between those who aim at power & those who exercise it. just follow (for example) the activities of the extremist parties in Pakistan.
Jason Pappas -
7/19/2005
But you’ve presented insufficient argument that the jihadist’s goal is to reduce foreign involvement (be it trade or politcal.) After all, jihadists have made no demands prior to each attack. They’ve failed to issue specific threats with demands and deadlines. These tend to be the means with which violence gains specific goals.
Your thesis that practical goals were the aim suffers from the lack of actions that would have made jihadist attacks appear as an attempt to achieve such gains. After all, if we have to do a deep study to reveal the concrete demands of each attack, doesn't that say something? One also wonders why these demands are revealed only after an attack. It appears that they have no hope of seeing their demands met. And that would throw doubt on the thesis that these acts aim at achieving concrete gains from those whom they attack.
Sudha Shenoy -
7/18/2005
I have only read the interview in American Conservative. _Based on that_ I would say: he treats 'suicide bombers' as a sort of self-contained phenomenon, & deals with them in a vacuum. They also appear to be Americans, except that they wear funny dresses. This, in effect, denies that the bombers had any historical context at all. But they do.
Thus, Osama bin Laden's objections to US troops in Saudi Arabia are _religious_: Arabia is the sacred land where Islam was born, its Prophet lived, which contains its most sacred site. And on such sacred soil, infidels are stationed, infidels who violate any number of Islamic laws (eg, there are women soldiers.) 'Nationalism' is a Western, secular, notion -- meaningless in this case.
And the Tamil Tigers have been using suicide bombing -- against _govt_ targets -- since 1987. The Tamils & the Singhalese have lived in Sri Lanka for centuries. The Tamil Tigers, in effect, wish to rule in the Tamil areas, pushing the govt out. So the battle here is over who should rule in these areas. The only outside intervention came (briefly) from the Indian army -- & Rajiv Gandhi fell victim to a Tamil bomber. But that is only one amongst hundreds of such bombings.
David Timothy Beito -
7/18/2005
What do you think of Robert Pape's research on the motivations of suicide bombers?
Sudha Shenoy -
7/18/2005
The Hizb ut Tahrir is yet another Islamist group aiming to take govt away (in the Muslim countries) from the current lot of (what, in its eyes, are) non-Islamic rulers. It wishes to re-create the Khilafat -- the Caliphate of the early Islamic period -- that glorious era when Islam was _the_ major world power. The Caliphate covered the bulk of the-then Muslim world, so Hizb want to have -- eventually -- a single Khilafat over all Muslim countries. -- Even Pan-Arabism has failed dismally, so this is even more visionary & fanciful. -- Hizb ut Tahrir has followers in Pakistan, Indonesia, Central Asia, Denmark, & Britain (inter alia.)
David T. Beito -
7/17/2005
A lot of rightwing bloggers are emphasizing the influence of Hizb ut-Tahrir, or Party of Liberation which apparently advocates a Caliphate. I don't know a thing about this group though apparently it has members in Britain.
Sudha Shenoy -
7/17/2005
Not on. I haven't heard that any serious group advocates this. It's completely impracticable. What _can_ be achieved -- at a minimum -- is greater influence over current Muslim govts. And that is what all these various extremist groups have always aimed at:power _within_ the Muslim world, over all these insufficiently-Islamic 'Muslims.'
David T. Beito -
7/17/2005
Sudha, what do think of the theory that a key motivation of groups which promote suicide bombing, as well and as individual bombers, is establishment of a world "Caliphate?"
Sudha Shenoy -
7/16/2005
But this is precisely my point. Both the US & British govts have long supported the rulers of Saudi Arabia, Egypt & Pakistan, in particular. Therefore the fanatical opponents of these govts have attacked their enemies' friends: the govts of the US & Britain. The object of the exercise is precisely to reduce/eliminate the support that these powerful allies offer to the rulers of these Muslim countries. When (if) this happens, these rulers are weakened -- which makes things that much easier for the zealots.
The story is that of the long continued struggle for power in the Muslim countries between the fanatics & the less zealous. The aid offered by the British & American govts does not operate in a vacuum.
William Marina -
7/16/2005
Sudha,
I think I would not down play the role of Western, especially, US policy, to the extent that you appear to do.
The US role, both military & financial support, has been massive, in Pakinstan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel, Iraq, etc.
The bombings are intended to demonstrate that there is a price for such interventionism.
Just now, for example, Israel is asking the US tax payers for several billion $$ more to resettle Israilis, with a complete unwillingness to tie this to any peace process.
Sudha Shenoy -
7/16/2005
"So once the Taleban were successful, they joined other extremists who -- all along -- had sought power". -- I meant the extremist groups in Pakistan, of course.
Sudha Shenoy -
7/16/2005
Very interesting. B. Raman starts his story in the middle, of course: Bin Laden was kicked out of Saudi Arabia; & the Taleban in Afghanistan were practically the only group who would accept him. -- The political opposition between fanatics & the not-quite-so-fanatical has been around for a long, long time in the Muslim world. So once the Taleban were successful, they joined other extremists who -- all along -- had sought power. Similarly in Indian Kashmir: the target there is also govt power.
Raman does not seem to know that Islamic radicals (of all stripes) _oppose_ the govts currently in power in the Muslim world. From the radicals' standpoint, these govts are _non_- Islamic: hence the opposition. It was the _Pakistani_ govt's_ own_ secret service which recruited some Pakistani-Britons to fight in Bosnia; -- Raman (consistently) cannot see the significance of this -- & therefore calls it a radicalisation of Pakistani-Britons! This is to confuse a mongoose with a snake.
Raman also refers to a shadowy extremist who supports zealots in the West Indies & amongst African-Americans. Raman links Richard Reid with this latter group. But Reid's explosives were of the same sort that Al-Qaeda use (ditto for the London bombers.)
The extremist opposition to current govts in the Muslim world -- which opposition includes Al-Qaeda -- is far, far, larger than a handful of agents used by the govt(s) this opposition seeks to overthrow.
It is _not_ true that nothing happens until the CIA/MI5 or other Western agencies appear on the scene. The world has its own history.
William Marina -
7/16/2005
Sudha,
If you have not already seen it, you may wish to read the following article
in the Asia Times: