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Apr 14, 2005

Problems with Democracy




Ok, who exactly are these people voting for Scott Savol? Talentless, inarticulate, and a wife-beater. Please.

Ok, I've just"outed" myself as a viewer of this show. But hey, it speaks to various problems in philosophy, so I can get away with it. Besides, I'm not the only one! But I won't"out" any of the others. They'll have to make that decision for themselves.



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Chris Matthew Sciabarra - 4/16/2005

Jonathan is, of course, correct, that much (not all) of pop music has had these qualities (and it does depend on what era of American pop music we're talking about). And Holden was indeed hyperbolic, as Aeon says. I can't help but feel however that sometimes there is an inherent bias against pop music coming from some of today's critics. Let me state at the outset that I am second to none in my appreciation of the Great American Songbook, as even a cursory look at the listing of My Favorite Songs (more aptly described as "My Favorite Music") attests.

So let's take that particular show that Holden found so offensive: the utter mangling of many of the songs of that Great American Songbook in a Broadway-focused installment of "American Idol." On the one hand, the judges criticize some of the performers who don't make the final cut that their voices are too "Broadway" and on the other hand, they pull out all the stops for a Broadway-themed installment. It doesn't make sense, and many of these singers are just not trained in the idiom of American standards (which are, for the most part, very melodically and harmonically demanding when compared to most, though by no means all, of the pop songs of today). And their lack of training for singing in this idiom shows up. I recall hearing Linda Ronstadt, one very pop-hit friendly singer, attest to the fact that her own forays into American standards with Nelson Riddle first made her aware of what she needed to do to become a better singer than she was. Her breath control and her vocal abilities were tested and expanded from these series of recordings.

But as bad as some of the performances were on that particular show of "American Idol," why get so indignant? At least these songs were suddenly being heard again in primetime on one of the hottest shows in American television. Not every arrangement was stellar, but some were interesting and well done (the studio musicians in the house band are quite good), and kids were being introduced to something entirely different for a change. And it's not the first time standards have shown up on this show; I remember last year how Fantasia (the 2004 competition winner) did a rendition of Gershwin's "Summertime" and Legrand's "What Are You Doing the Rest of Your Life?"---bringing down the house in both instances. (And this year, Anwar started his run with Mancini's "Moon River.")

With one breath, the critics are upset that nobody pays attention to the classics, and then, when they do pay attention to them, they get upset because they'd rather they didn't.

BTW, Matthew, in former AI installments, each judge was allowed to pick one previously removed contestant to join the final group, probably for the same reason: they sense the problems with the selection process.


Matthew Humphreys - 4/15/2005

I've just seen this week's show (American Idol is one of a very small number of US shows that airs in the UK very soon after the US broadcast...) and I completely agree about the result.

A couple of tidbits from this end of the pond that may be of interest: Firstly in the most recent season of Pop Idol (the essential format of which is the basis for American Idol over there and on which Simon Cowell also judges) a special show was held mid-season with a number of contestants who in the judges' opinion deserved another chance after being voted out by the viewers. If I recall correctly, the two of those contestants who received the highest number of votes *that* week then rejoined the main competition.

Second, we have recently had another televised talent show called The X Factor here, this one created by Simon and made by his production company. At the end of the first week that the public had voted, they sprang an unexpected surprise: The two acts with the lowest number of votes then sang their song a second time, and the *judges* then made the final decision as to who would leave that week.

Both incidents would seem to suggest that the judges themselves see that the voting system is flawed.

MH


Aeon J. Skoble - 4/15/2005

Holden was hyperbolic, for the reasons you suggest. But his point about the pernicious effects of a show that suggests popularity=quality is a good one. I was serious when I said that the show is pedagogically useful: as the title of the blogentry suggests, the show is a non-theatening, ideologically neutral exercise in seeing one of the problems of democracy -- that just becuase more people voted for Scott than Nadia, doesn't mean Scott is better than Nadia. But it also allows greater contemplation of the meaning of democracy: is it (a) that we trust the people to make the right judgements, or (b) that whatever the mass voice says IS (definitionally) the right judgement? Plato is skeptical of either interpetation, of course. But the show gives us some good ways to consider the distinction. For instance, consider interpretation (a) above. While it's objectively wrong to rank Scott higher than Nadia, it's likely that Nadia would not make the final 3 anyway, and as long as Scott doesn't either, than this week's results don't even matter, and a proponent of interpretation (a) would say "I trust that, by the end of May, the people will have acted wisely." I don't know, we'll see....


Jonathan Dresner - 4/14/2005

You mean this?

Let's not kid ourselves: the ascendance of "American Idol," and its turning of music into sports, signals the end of American popular song as we know it. Its ritual slaughter of songs allows no message to be carried, no wisdom to be communicated, other than the screamed and belted song of the self.

Yawn. Pop music has always been thus. The question is not "does American Idol do this" but "is American Idol the only option?" and the answer is no.


Chris Matthew Sciabarra - 4/14/2005

Well, I've long been "out" on this subject. But if you think democracy is bad, wait till you read what Stephen Holden says about "American Idol" itself. Ugh.

Read here.