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Mar 1, 2005

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A Bit of Cliopatriarchal Triumphalism: Occasionally the vagaries of the academic marketplace work as they should and merit prevails. All of us at Cliopatria join in congratulating our colleague, Rob MacDougall, who has accepted an offer to become Assistant Professor of History at the University of Western Ontario in London, Ontario, Canada. Congratulations both to Rob and to the University.

In Defense of Heresy: I'm not defending heresy here. I'm defending the idea that there are some claims that are just so wrong that they ought not be tolerated in the community of faith. I long ago gave up on my own particular sect, the United Methodists, who have grown so mushy in matters of doctrine that we have no principle of exclusion. You believe in re-incarnation? Welcome to the fellowship of the United Methodist Church. You think Jesus was one of many little pixies who periodically come from outer space to sprinkle fairy dust on human history? Fine. Welcome to our fellowship.

But there are some things that are just so wrong that they ought not be uttered or tolerated in the community of faith. The latest blasphemy heard in my community came from Representative Sam Johnson (R, Texas) who spoke at a veterans' celebration at Suncreek United Methodist Church in Allen, Texas. According to the Carpetbagger, Brother Johnson was bragging about a recent conversation he'd had with George Bush on the porch at the White House.

Johnson said he told the president that night,"Syria is the problem. Syria is where those weapons of mass destruction are, in my view. You know, I can fly an F-15, put two nukes on 'em and I'll make one pass. We won't have to worry about Syria anymore."
The crowd roared with applause.
Brother Carpetbagger asks:
Which of these is the most outrageous part of this story?
* That a sitting member of Congress is bragging about his desire to drop nuclear weapons?
* That Johnson has shared this idea with the president?
* That Johnson's favored approach to non-proliferation is an unprovoked nuclear attack?
* That this speech was delivered in a church?
* That Johnson's audience"roared with applause"?
All those questions bother me. Why am I not re-assured that he was speaking to another United Methodist when Johnson delivered this wisdom to President Bush? If we Methodists had a principle of rejection, neither Brother Bush nor Brother Johnson would be among us. The cross would have fallen on poor Brother Johnson right there on the spot at Suncreek United Methodist Church in Allen, Texas, and delivered him unto his eternal reward. As it is, my Methodist face turns red with embarrassment when I read Atrios, Crooked Timber, Dark Bilious Vapors, Kevin Drum at Political Animal, Matt Yglesias, or Fontana Labs at Unfogged. And it's a damned good thing that Adam Kotsko and Anthony Smith at The Weblog are so down on the Nazarenes or they'd be raggin' my sorry Methodist ass about it.

Sic et Non: While I'm waxing theological, I want to go all Peter Abelard on David Beito and CharlesNuckolls at Liberty & Power. They have been railing at the University of Alabama's Faculty Senate for passing a speech code that they claim smacks of the kinds of speech restrictions favored in deep South states during the early years of the civil rights movement. They have been celebrating the fact that the Student Senate at the University of Alabama has unanimously adopted a resolution in opposition to the Faculty sponsored speech code. In doing so, they've gotten widespread support from: Robert Shibley at FIRE, Mike Adams at Townhall, Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit, QD at Southern Appeal and Randy Barnett and Todd Zywicki at the Volokh Conspiracy. That's a mighty sic and I agree with them. Speech codes are offensive to the free exchange of ideas in academic communities.

But there is also a non, as well. As Kevin Drum at Political Animal points out, it is deceptive to claim that the speech code controversy at the University of Alabama had its origin in the administration's objections to students hanging American flags in their dormitory windows. It is even a little deceptive to claim that the speech code promoted by the Faculty Senate is like the restrictions on speech promoted in the deep South in the early civil rights movement. The controversy arose when some students insisted on displaying Confederate flags in their dormitory windows. And, lest we forget, the Confederate flag flew in defense of some very severe restrictions on human freedom. It defended the bondage of most of the South's people of color, but as Clement Eaton taught us two generations ago it defended severe restrictions on the freedom of everyone in the South. Simply put, the Confederate flag is not just deeply offensive to a large part of the University's student and faculty community. It represents an offense to the idea of a university. We have a teaching function here and education may necessarily entail the possibility of offense at some point or another. But this is Alabama, where slavery and segregation once, in the not too distant past, reigned supreme. Faculty members have an obligation to teach what that means for civil behavior.

Update My friend, David Beito, objects in comments to my characterization of the situation at the University of Alabama. For the record, he has paid his dues and is correct on the facts. The errors, which I believe to be minor, appear in posts that simply support his position.

Finally, your senior Cliopatriarch has a birthday today and it is one of those proverbially big ones. If I'm not here for discussions, it may be because I'm off in my cups somewhere celebrating.



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Bill Campbell - 3/6/2005

My understanding from the Dallas Morning News is that Johnson says he meant this statement as a joke. We can debate if this was an appropriate joke. I think it was inappropriate. Yet, as a thirty something male, I find that I encounter a lot of men from Johnson's generation who occasionally make jokes that I think cross the line.

My understanding is that many of the persons at this event were persons from Johnson's generation. These were not members of Suncreek UMC. One does not find a large number of senior citizens in the west area of Allen. I think these persons attended at the invitation of some younger men at the church. The intentions of these younger men were good. I would caution against blaming the church for Johnson's statement. Read this link (http://www.suncreekumc.org/umm/2005Veterans_Breakfast.htm) to discover what the pastor said at this event and reach your own conclusion about the values of this church.

This link (http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=13990249&;BRD=1426&PAG=461&dept_id=525682&rfi=6) also gives a little context to the intentions of the event organizers.


Ralph E. Luker - 3/5/2005

heart/mind, The links you provide are dead and HNN requires registration with a real name for comment, so your comment will be deleted soon enough. But add to the list of questions about Johnson's appearance at Suncreek United Methodist Church, one that is provoked by your comment. How could anyone be gulled by the notion that nuking Syria is a joke? Idiotic remark, yes. A joke, no. As for the good intentions of those who sponsored this event, you recall the proverb about the road to hell being paved with such things, don't you?


Derek Charles Catsam - 3/2/2005

Happy Birthday, Ralph.


Rob MacDougall - 3/2/2005

Thanks, Ralph and everyone else, for the congratulations. I'm very pleased. And happy (now belated) birthday!


Greg James Robinson - 3/2/2005

Before everybody rushes to beat up on me:
First, the North profited from slavery and the production and transport of cotton and the other good that resulted from it. The recent admission by J.P. Morgan Chase Bank that its ancestor banks owned slaves is a valid and encouraging step for Americans to face up to this horrid truth. Still, conpared with the Confederacy's open and proud defense of bondage, the shamefacedness of the North's participation in slavery can be deduced in the omission of the word "slavery" form the Constitution and from the abolition of the slave trade.

Secondly, I do not believe in speech codes on principle. Mind you, when I was an undergrad at Penn there were "Open Expression Guidelines" which seemed to me a reasonably enlightened attempt to identify and deal with hateful conduct connected with speech (tearing down signs of the Gay/Lesbian group, etc.) I believe with Jefferson that error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it. This was an unpopular position in Quebec in recent times, when a shock-jock station with a near-monopoly market was shut down after many warnings about its slanderous and biased commmentaries.


Greg James Robinson - 3/2/2005

"Symbols, of course, have the meaning that people assign to them". The meanings that people assign? The meanings that people assign? Land's sakes, what was the basic principle of the Confederacy if not the principle that human slavery was right? Whereas the US flag can hardly have been said to have flown in defense of slavery except at the behest of the very people (and their descendants) who created the Confederacy because the flag did not defend it ENOUGH. The Confederate flag is the symbol of slavery and treason--the treason of people who foreswore their oath to support and defend the Union.


Oscar Chamberlain - 3/1/2005

John,

I know that many people see much good symbolized in the Confederate flag. I was raised to see that good myself. But when slaves had a choice between running toward the Union lines or staying behind, what did they choose?




Mr. Sun - 3/1/2005

Hey, I like your style along the way Professor Luker!

Happy Birthday.

http://mrsun.us/2005/03/times-winged-chariot.html


Ralph E. Luker - 3/1/2005

I could not have had a nice birthday present, Mr. Sun! Thanks.


Jeff Vanke - 3/1/2005

ditto subject line


Ralph E. Luker - 3/1/2005

This is a sort of lawyerly point, isn't it, Mr. Lederer? The Confederate flag flew for only four years, all of them in defense of slavery. The United States flag has, even had, flown for many more than that and I don't know in what war domestic slavery was directly threatened. I suppose the Revolution comes closest, when the British offered freedom to slaves who fought on the British side.


John H. Lederer - 3/1/2005

"And, lest we forget, the Confederate flag flew in defense of some very severe restrictions on human freedom."

I suppose it would be correct to state that the U.S. flag has flown for more years in defense of slavery than the Confederate.

Symbols, of course, have the meaning that people assign to them, and those meanings tend to change over time as is politically expedient.


John H. Lederer - 3/1/2005

"And, lest we forget, the Confederate flag flew in defense of some very severe restrictions on human freedom."

I suppose it would be correct to state that the U.S. flag has flown for more years in defense of slavery than the Confederate.

Symbols, of course, have the meaning that people assign to them, and those meanings tend to change over time as is politically expedient.


Caleb McDaniel - 3/1/2005

Ditto on the birthday wishes, Ralph, and congrats to Rob MacDougall on his appointment.


David Timothy Beito - 3/1/2005

I left out a word. I meant to say "As far as I know, *no* Confederate flag was ever displayed in the dorm window in question."


David T. Beito - 3/1/2005

Ralph:

While I appreciate the publicity, your post has several errors and misrepresentations. It unfairly implies that we were deceptive in our presentation of the facts.

First, you have the original facts wrong. The student in the dorm in question displayed a confederate flag in the dorm hallway, not the dorm window. The admininistration told him to put it down but the Dorm R.A. objected.

Then, instead of banning the flag in the hall, the administration reacted by banning all *window* displays (including American flags). Window displays were not even the original issue!

The administration suspended the window display ban policy, which had already been implemented, when students started to put U.S. (not Confederate) flags in their windows. Student Life formally tabled the policy after that and there it continues to gather dust. As far as I know, *no* Confederate flag was ever displayed in the dorm in question.

Finally, of course, I have "paid my dues" (at least compared to most faculty) in educating students about the sad history of the CSA and the Confederate flag.

See my article on the Fallacies of Confederate Multiculturalism here:http://www.reason.com/hod/db071904.shtml I am no apologist for the C.S.A. and neither are most of the students who fought this policy. We are fighting a noble battle here for free speech.....and it has not been easy! We have consistent on this issue too. Last year, we sponsored a resoltuion in the Faculty Senate to defend the rights of a gay artist to display his art at Shelton state. Why "spin" the facts against us?

It would be great if you pointed out these errors in a post. BTW, happy birthday

Thanks,

DTB


Oscar Chamberlain - 3/1/2005

May middle age be an even better adventure!


Anthony Paul Smith - 3/1/2005

Ralph,

At least the UMC has some very powerful people in it that would like to begin thinking about talking about some exclusionary tactics for the sake of a more authentic faith. So don't beat yourself up to badly. After all, I'm technically an Episcopalian now and while I love a lot of it, I have to say it exists as a failure as well.

The Nazarene Church (I'm a pastor's kid of a somewhat popular minister, so that's my claim to insider knowledge) almost has no real doctrine, though they exclude at will through the ways Adam outlined at The Weblog. This kind of exclusion is really, really bad. It makes me very sick to think about it.

While I don't know quite where I stand theologically (at all anymore), I do hope that the Church (which I have no claim to anymore) could at least take a more Christian approach to its politics. Folks like MLK, Barth, Fr. Berrigan, yourself, and others are the people that make it impossible to give up on the whole Christianity thing.