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Feb 7, 2005

The Liberal Case for War in Iraq




In February, 2003 I participated on a panel about what was clearly an impending war against Iraq. The academic culture at Minnesota State University-Mankato, where I was teaching at the time, was such that the panel organizers could not find a conservative to defend the war. Some folks knew that I had said things indicating that I might support an invasion of Iraq and approached me to be the pro-war voice on the panel. I told them that I could not do so, but that I could make a tentative liberal case for war.

I thought I would post my speech. it is somewhat fragmented -- we only had about five minutes to speak, so I make no claim to thoroughness. Two years in there are certainly things I would change. For example, I only have a sort of note to myself for my conclusion, so on paper it probably seems to fizzle toward the end. As I recall, it was well received. many students appreciated hearing something other than what were becoming familiar anti-war arguments.

Other than formatting to fit Rebunk and HNN parameters, the notes are presented exactly as they were when they were in front of me on that winter day in Minnesota. I'm very curious to hear what readers think about how right or wrong I was then. Perhaps I can give examples of what I might change were I to give the same talk now. Obviously there is some chance for embarassment for me by posting this two years later, but I thought it was a sound case then, and I am not ashamed of it now.:

An Agnostic in an Age of Dogma: Some Thoughts on War in Iraq

I am a liberal. A good old fashioned left-liberal Democrat. A Progressive. A New Deal, Fair Deal, New Frontier, Great Society Liberal. I’ve dedicated my life to writing, reading and teaching about race, politics and social movements.

That said, I am not necessarily against war with Iraq. I am also not necessarily for war with Iraq. In short, I am an agnostic in an age of dogmatism, a skeptic in an age of true believers, ambivalent in an age of moral righteousness.

I don’t trust the true believers on either side of this debate. For one thing, I have a pretty good friend who works on the Policy Planning Staff at the State Department. He too is agnostic (not a political appointee, he is centrist, etc.) and as he says, this is such a complex issue that he simply does not trust that those who are absolutely ardent one way or the other really know what they are talking about – this is a complex issue, and it is ok to see it that way. Sometimes being a true believer clouds judgment and the ability to weigh and understand issues well.

There are certainly lots of reasons not to trust this administration on Iraq. The first, and I believe most relevant of these, is that they have not made a case for war. One day it seems they are arguing for regime Change. The next they are arguing that we must eradicate Weapons of Mass Destruction (there are other kinds?) and on yet another day they hint (but don’t ever quite muster the evidence – apparently not trusting us, but this is an issue for another day) that Iraq is tied in to the war on terrorism, September 11, Al Qaida and so forth. There seems to be a grim determination on some of the hawks to wage war, and they’ll use whatever pretense to do so.

However, for all of these reasons, there seems to be a knee jerk element on the left that is equally dangerous, equally slippery, equally dogmatic, equally unwilling to yield on the most basic of points. In short, the left has been rather uncivil in much of this debate.

There is a liberal case for war against Iraq.

First, the case for “regime change” in Iraq is not exactly a difficult one to make. For those of us on the left who care about human rights (and I would assert that it is traditionally and historically the left that is committed to human rights) the case against Saddam and for regime change is a slam dunk. Saddam Hussein is an evil, evil man. The world would be a better place without him in power, and the hope for stability in a region constantly racked with instability would be far better if we could oversee a transition to some form of liberal democracy writ large.

But there are a number of myths that the left continues to perpetuate, myths that, I think, hurt our cause, that contribute to the lack of civility in the American dialogue and the perpetuation of which actually undermine the cause of the anti-war left. Allow me to address a few of these.

*Personal attacks on the President and the Administration. I don’t like this president any more than any of you. But he is the president. Taking a “Bush is dumb” approach to the debate over war is juvenile and childish and brings into question the legitimacy of the anti-war side. Bush is no foreign policy scholar. He’s no scholar of any sort. But Condoleeza Rice would be the smartest person in this room if she walked in here now – in any room she walked in to. Ditto Colin Powell. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Perle and others have been involved in public service for most of their lives. Impugning their intelligence or capabilities does not introduce much to the debate. It is ad hominem name calling and it has no place in a civil debate about important issues.

*Ditto impugning their motives. Do I question these motives? Yes, in some ways. But when we impugn their motives, when that is our argument, what we are effectively saying is “you don’t believe that what you are doing is for the best of the country.” We are saying “we believe that you are not acting in what you believe is the American interest.” We are indicting their patriotism. This is unfair. I’m not sure that this administration has done anything more loathsome than to equate support for their war with patriotism, and those who oppose thus have been subtly but unquestionably tainted with being unpatriotic. We should not do the same.

*The “this is a war about oil” argument is also growing tedious. When people throw these accusations out there they need to use what we historians (and also what political scientists, lawyers and other reasonable people) call “evidence.” There is no evidence that this has a whole lot to do with oil, except inasmuch as oil is a (by the way, legitimate) component in national security. For one thing, if what we wanted was oil we could simply eliminate sanctions against Iraq. This is in fact exactly what the major oil companies want – most business executives, in the oil industry or otherwise, do not want war and the inherent instability that would bring to the economy. What they want is stability and access, which loosening of sanctions would provide – Saddam has indicated that he would happily allow American oil companies into Iraq’s fields. In other words – if the talk about regime change, WMDs, and so forth are just a smokescreen for oil, then the most expedient route would be to eliminate sanctions, there’d be no need for war and we’d all go off and antagonize one another about Social security or prescription drugs. We might question those other goals, but they are legitimate in the minds of those who are raising them. Bush and companies ties to the oil industry do not serve as prima facie proof that oil is thus our prime concern. That sort of reductionism is good for character assassination. It is not good for a sophisticated analysis of American foreign policy and interests.

Conclusion (brief summary overview, emphasizing that there is a liberal case to be made for war and that above all historically liberals have been the ones mocked by conservatives for acting based on human rights. To steal Woodrow Wilson’s phrase, it would be an irony of history if liberals abandoned a human rights driven foreign policy at just the moment where we can justify acting on just that principle.)



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Derek Charles Catsam - 2/9/2005

Bridget --
Much better, and I do not even disagree. But the military is and has to be an option. I stated early on in my talk that I was not certain that we had to go in when we did as we did. I was certain that we could have held out. But now look how much we know about the dastardly deeds of the very nations that were our biggest impediments to going into Iraq -- France, Russia and Germany, especially France, were elbow deep in the blood of the innocents.
Some danced in the street, some did not. Precisely. The problem is, we need to deal with the element that danmced in the street after 9-11 and promote the element that danced in the street after the Iraqi elections. If our military crushing someone else's military will stop the country that controls that military from sponsoring terrorist attacks on civilians -- in Tel Aviv, yes, but also in Riyadh and Islamabad and Belfast and Burlington, then I am comfortable with that. It is easy to talk about peaceful solutions for people who have known nothing but varbage and tyranny and war. Easy, but at times morally repugnant and intellectually facile.

dc


Derek Charles Catsam - 2/9/2005

No disagreement there. But oil is still important. Saddam could easily have been able to keep Iraq and sell us all the oil he wanted. When he decided to prevent inspections (which, according to the 1991 cease fire was itself the act of war) and to skirt sanctions at the expense of his own people, he reaped what he sowed.
I'm all about alternative sources of fuel. Hybrid, electric, hydro, wind, and having homeless people pull rickshaws. Fine with me. But we are not at that point yet.
dc


Bridget Edwards - 2/9/2005

The dochotomous world was in direct response to your "Does the Arab world hate us?" I'm not sure there is an easily quantifies 'Arab' world. And yes, some danced in the street, and some did not.

And when the question is why do we kill people to show that killing is wrong, I am saying that there are many other avenues to explore before sending US troops into harms' way. You mention Israel, so I merely expanded on that to make my point that it is more than our support of Israel's right to exist that fuels this. You're right, watering gardens was taking it too far, and I will be more careful with my grandstanding in the future. But what about that suicide bomber in the pizzeria? May I legitimately respond by saying, every time another house in a refugee camp is bulldozed, we also step further away from a solution. It all become nothing more than tit-for-tat retaliation unless someone steps back and has the courage to approach it with the long view in mind.

But it's not about Israel, it's about the liberal case for the war in Iraq. This war is recruiting terrorists and making the US more enemies in a part of the world where we should, as Rebecca said, be trying to win the hearts and minds. You said yourself, Derek, "If the answer is for something that we can and should change, fine." I'm just saying that we have an opportunity to do just that but we have squandered it in relying on a military solution.


Bridget Edwards - 2/9/2005

While it might be tedious to examine the US' dependance on oil and the lengths to which it will go to secure it's oil supply, it is an integral part of the case against the war. Oil does and has is a legitimate part of our national security strategy, and will for the foreseeable future. Beyond the crude equation of blood for oil, however, I think this part of the case against the war is also a case for re-examining the direction the economy and culture are going. If our need for oil plays any part in our decision to invade another country, then I believe it is time to re-think our dependance on oil and begin to develop an economy for the third millenium, with renewable and sustainable energy self-sufficiency. That would be real security.


Derek Charles Catsam - 2/9/2005

Ahhh, Israel. The "illegal occupation" came about as the consequence of an invasion against Israel. If you start a war of aggression in which you promise to drive a people to the sea just two dacades after Hitler tried to do the equivalent, and if you lose, there is a price to be paid. I support a two-state solution and think Israel should and will yield Gaza and the West Bank, but not until they ahve guarantees of security. That the Syrians, or the French for that matter, hate Israel and have decided that their occupation of lands (that were not Palestinian in 1967, by the way; they were Egyptian and Jordanian) from which other nation states mounted an attack against Israel is illegal does not much interest me.
The crack about watering gardens is good cheap demogoguery. It just happens not to reflect reality. I agree, water rights are a serious issue. ne that should be at the forefront of things in Israel. Alas, every time a suicide bomber kills civilians sitting down to eat lunch at a pizzeria, we move rather further from being able to address those issues.
No one posed the dichotomous world you so eagerly deny. If you do not think that I am seeing complexity here, you are not bothering to read what I am saying. Shoe me that much consideration. I'm not sure where mopst of your points are even coming from, as several of the things you argue here have appeared nowhere either in the post or in the comments. Who argued for "killing them before they kill us"? I did argue for stopping genocide in Rwanda. Perhaps you oppose such a stance. But in that case I argued for intevening, knowing there might be deaths, to save 800,000 or so lives.
Cheap rhetorical grandstanding might win you points elsewhere. It won't suffice here. Our analyses hardly lack depth. The courtesy of acknowledging as much might make us more inclined to take yours more seriously. The courtesy of actually engaging things we have said, rather than what you imagine to be the debate would be even more welcome.

dc


Derek Charles Catsam - 2/9/2005

The 100,000 figure has beenn largely discredited.
Of course I am concerned with the loss of civilian lives, though many of those have come at the hands of insurgents, and not US troops. But in the end, are the Iraqi people better off than they were under Sddam? Yes. There is no doubt. And so unless you are willing to force people to live under such an abhorrenmt system, what possible option would you otherwise have us pursue? Status quo was not working.
dc


Bridget Edwards - 2/9/2005

But is the liberal case for the war for humanitarian reasons undermined by by the stupendous loss of life (100,000 civilians) and suppression of civil liberties both in Iraq and the US? Gitmo, et al, would not be out of place under the rule of Saddam and his sons.


Bridget Edwards - 2/9/2005

Killing them before they kill us is simply another step an endless, useless dance. There ARE reasons people around the world fear and hate the US, and they deserve consideration and action beyond retalitory warfare.

It is not our support, for example, of Israel's 'right to exist' that fuels suicidal attacks. A deeper analysis might reveal resentment towards our support of Israel's illegal occupation of the West Bank and Gaza for the past 38 years and the diversion of the auqifers under Palestian land to water gardens in Israel. Do they hate us because we 'believe in democracy', or because they see the hypocracy a military-industrial complex which ruthlessly pursues dominance, and weill get in bed with any two-bit autocrat that serves that purpose?

It's just not black and white, Arab world vs. the US, and a war against terrorists without action against the roots of hatred and fear will not make us safer.


Bridget Edwards - 2/9/2005

I agree with Rebecca that establishing pre-emption as the new standard is very troubling. This war was launched by basically disregarding not only international law, but, I believe the laws of this country as well. There is no provision in the Constitution for the Congress to cede its right to declare war to the President. Though the votes were cast, I wonder if the vote to authorize the President to declare war would hold up under a constitutional challenge. So not only has this war not brought true democracy to Iraq, it was pursued in a manner which undermines our own democracy in the form of the system of checks and balances among the three branches of government. Liberals should be wary of the case for the war because it had been used, along with other tools in the GWOT such as the Patriot Act, to redefine and expand the powers of the Executive branch.


Derek Charles Catsam - 2/8/2005

Rebecca --
As martin Luther king, Jr. once said, "I may not be able to make a man love me, but i can stop him from lynching me." In other words, he did not care if white folks loved him so much as he wanted to make sure that they could not kill him with impunity. underlying problems take a long time to address, to be sure, but if it requires boots on the ground to prevent mass bloodshed, you do it.
The Arab world might hate us. Did they love us beforehand? Seems not, if the dancing in thre streets after 9-11 by at least some was indicative of anything. The question is not whether they hate us, but why. If the answer is for something that we can and should change, fine. if they hate us because we believe in israel';s right to exist or because we bel;eve in democracy or because we decided that enough was enough with Saddam, well, some enemies are worth having. If we can over time change their minds, great. If nt, there are still some actions we will not tolerate. Period.

dc


Rebecca Padula - 2/8/2005

Yeah, I know that absolute pacificsm is like a kind of religious fundamentalism. So, I'm not going to even try to argue that point. It's not for everyone and even I would have a hard time arguing against sending troops in against Hitler.
I also agree that sending troops in to Rwanda or today in Sudan could stop a sigificant amount of the killing. But, it won't stop the hatred on each side that started the trouble in the first place. That will still exist. Without boots on the ground, doesn't the underlying problem still exist?
Even though we bombed Iraqi cities and currently occupy the country, we have not stopped the original problem- the hearts and minds will still have to be won. Most of the Arab world hates us, well U.S. Our way of life is offensive to them, and the occupation is unacceptable to the sensibilities of most Iraqis and all of this is fueling the terrorist movement. We are creating as many enemies as we are killing, so in this context does it make sense to have attacked Iraq in the way that we did?


Derek Charles Catsam - 2/8/2005

Rebecca --
To answer your last question first -- because sometimes the only way to stop people from killing other people is to kill the people doing the killing. I wish it were not so. But, for example, almost all estimates indicate that 3000 troops on the ground in Rwanda would have stopped the genocide there. It may have required firing shots and killing Hutus. Better that than what happened. The problem with absolute pacifism is that while it claims a sort of moral high ground, it allows allows for an awful lot of preventable atrocities.

I'm not sure whether something being written into US policy is really that significant. American foreign policy isn't something simply written ina book at State or something. There are millions of pages written on foreign policy, of course, but very little is written that says that "X is America's policy." There are no formulas. Even containment, while obviously central to NSDC policy and with some very visible written documents (NSC 68, the Long telegram that became kennans foreign affairs piece, etc.), was a broad policy subject to change, as the shifts between truman and Eisenhower, and then Eisenhower and Kennedy (and so forth) revealed.

I'm not certain that our actions give anyone a free pass. We still judge cases on their merits. that is partially why I am not worried too much that we have established a new doctrine. We have always reserved the right of first strike. If someone else does it, we and the world will judge. Israel is not likely to attack Iran, if it happens we'll deal with it. No one will get away with the old "but you did it" argument.

AJ --
Thanks for your contributions. Good and thoughtful points all.

dc


Richard Holmes - 2/8/2005

But it was written in September, 2002, and I don't remember the Ted Kennedys and Barbara Boxers jumping up and down and grandstanding like they now about this administration's implementation of that policy.

It's a good policy, it just needs to be implemented properly going forward.

Winning over the hearts and minds just doesn't work. At least that is my opinion after reading the 9/11 report. In the 90s, Clinton, Gore and Albright did more ass-kissing in the Middle East than you ever heard about. Pleading with the United Arab Emirites to shut down their airspace to Afghans because it was the major way they reached Western points. Pleading with Sharif (the guy before Musharref in Pakistan) to crack down on terrorism, specifically Al Qaida. And what did the hard work toward winning the hearts and minds get us? The U.S.S. Cole, the thwarted Landmarks Plot in New York City, and 9/11.


Rebecca Padula - 2/8/2005

Ok, sort of answered. So that was part of the original argument that led us to war. The fact that is now written into U.S. foreign policy makes me feel worse though.
Because, right or not, my point was that this opens up more instability in the world. India now has a free pass to pre-emptively strike Pakistan, Isreal to strike Iran, etc. This seems to work against the goal of peace and stability in the world.
What happened to winning over the hearts and minds?

Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing is wrong?


AJ Fucile - 2/8/2005

I can appreciate being a pacifist, but I think there comes a time when it is neccessary to take a stance of defense. I think the problem with the Iraq war is that we went on the offensive - we were not being attacked. But to call the position hawkish? Is there ever a time when you would justify an act of war? Was it hawkish to attack the Taliban after they enabled Al Queda to attack us? I don't think so. But back to Iraq. I think another element in W's decision was to get even on his father's behalf. I would agree that Saddam is evil. Since the war, we have learned that he was playing cat & mouse with inspectors, & intended to revive his WMD projects once inspections ended. But he didn't have a program when we attacked, & we used it as one of our main reasons for invasion. It's an interesting argument. How long do you allow the local bully to harass your children before you take action? Off the point. I was taken in with Bush's arguments at the time, but since feel mislead.


Derek Charles Catsam - 2/8/2005

Rebecca --
This is a great comment, and it is the sort of thing we would like to see more of at Rebunk when we hear from the anti-war side. Unfortunately we have enough pacisifst/anti-war readers who refuse to take the other side seriously, who automatically scream that those who consider force are idologues. We appreciate your thoughts, even if generally we disagree with them.
Not trusting Bush is a fair point, but at the same time, your reasoning seesm flawed in that it seems to assert that if you do not stop injustice, tyranny, evil everywhere, you do not stop it anywhere? Given that it is an impossibility to stop all of the things even that you mentioned, don't we have to pick? Is it not likely that we will have to make a choice at times? There is always evil. When you have the means, public will and opportunity to act, why not address what you can rather than be paralyzed by what you cannot? Something may be right or justifiable or it may not be. It is even fair not to trust how a particular administration or group will handle things. But I am not certain evil becomes less evil based on who is preaching it.
As for regime change, I will pull out the classic "it depends.'" Stopping Hitler in his tracks in 1937 does not sound like a horrible idea to my ears. If it requires a forced regime change to prevent wholesale slaughter, i am at least inclined to listen, see what options are available, and weight them. I was never convinced that we had to go into iraq when we did, but I was never so opposed to the very idea that i decided that it ought not to happen either. If Mugabe steals another election, if the udanese canot stop murdering civilians, if Iran seems on the verge of developing nuclear weapons aimed at us or our allies, I will not rule out supporting preemptive regime change. I would hope that we would not rush to war, however, and that things would be handled far more competently than iraq was carried out.
dc


Rich Holmes - 2/8/2005

Bec-
The preemptive strike argument came out at various times at the beginning when the administration was making a case for war with Iraq. You'll remember W made his big speech to the United Nations on September 12, 2002. Well wouldn't you know it, but in or around September, 2002, President Bush published (well, I'm doubting he actually wrote the entire thing and published it himself, but you see my point) the National Security Strategy of the United States of America, which states, in pertinent part:

The gravest danger our Nation faces lies at the crossroads of radicalism and technology. Our enemies have openly declared that they are seeking weapons of mass destruction, and evidence indicates that they are doing so with determination. The United States will not allow these efforts to succeed. We will build defenses against ballistic missiles and other means of delivery. We will cooperate with other nations to deny, contain, and curtail our enemies’ efforts to acquire dangerous technologies. And, as a matter of common sense and self-defense, America will act against such emerging threats before they are fully formed. We cannot defend America and our friends by hoping for the best. So we must be prepared to defeat our enemies’ plans, using the best intelligence and proceeding with deliberation. History will judge harshly those who saw this coming danger but failed to act. In the new world we have entered, the only path to peace and security is the path of action.

Heavy.

I won't get into now, but I couldn't agree more with this policy. The problem is, you gotta freakin' be right. 100%, no bones about it, right. With Iraq, well, we're didn't quite get it 100% right. Because the next time we need to do something like a preemptive strike the world is going to be laughing their collective asses off at us.

Anyway, I don't even know if this answered your question.


Rebecca Padula - 2/8/2005

Firstly, let me say that I am a pacifist, so there is no way you could have won me over to your hawkish position. However, I understand that I represent an extreme minority even on the left.
That said, I can understand the human rights argument against Saddam. It's just that I didn't buy it coming from Bush's mouth. If he is concerned about human rights, why does it seem that the administration has no interest in the situation in Sudan, in Nepal, etc.
My biggest problem with the invasion was the argument for a pre-emptive strike. This set a very dangerous precedent that we are now dealing with. Why was the issue of pre-emtion not part of your talk? I can't remember the timetable exactly, but I think this was part of the original neo-con reasoning.


Derek Charles Catsam - 2/8/2005

Not bad, actually. A lot of students came up afterward and thanked me for giving them a perspective they never heard on campus or in the media. I've been told that I am a decent speaker, and I do not think I said anything insane, so it seemed to go well. There were those who were not inclined to accept any of my points as valid. The Q & A was almost all directed at me, and I got a few applause lines in dealing with the worst of it. I can handle myself in a hostile crowd, and like Rocky when he fought Drago in Moscow, I turned some to my corner: "If I can change, and you'se can change, we all can change . . .".

dc


Stephen Tootle - 2/8/2005

How did the talk go over?